Can the HX Stomp Replace Expensive Delay Pedals?

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The Meris LVX is one of the first sort of "multi-fx" type efforts from some of the big players in DSP - Strymon/Meris/Empress etc. It got me thinking about how we could use that "modular" approach with some of the stuff we already have access to in the Helix ecosystem....
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[@JCleggy]

John, you get the very most out of every piece of gear you put your hands on. You’d make an excellent addition to any development team.

[@projekt1824]

Every time I watch your videos, I learn something new about the HX Stomp. Thanks a lot!

[@edsonbartolo1452]

Just to say thank you. Your videos made me consider going back to modellers after selling my GT10 years ago and turning to boutique pedals and tube amps. My Helix will arrive within two days and to accelerate my engagement with it I just bought all of your presets. I'm sure I'll have a blast with it. Keep up the good work!

[@jburdsinfuse]

I just got my LVX a couple days ago. I used it in rehearsal...it was a disaster because I don't know how to use it right...BUT...your content on the LVX is amazing. It goes into a Stomp XL...that you taught me how to program. GREAT CHANNEL!!!

[@bfiume]

Nice job on the Five Watt for the John Mayer guitars. Well done as usual!

[@CorNigrum]

Thanks for another informative video showing how to get the maximum out of one's gear. It's sympathetic for someone who's at least to some extent a "gear KZbinr" to show a bunch of relatively expensive gear, especially cumulatively, and then turn around and explain how to get pretty similar tones with a much smaller budget. There's nothing wrong with having some expensive gear if that's what you derive your tone from, but it's pretty demotivating for most people to be shown 5k guitars, pedalboards and amps, and imply that's what's needed to have fun and create decent music. Personally I've not been very satisfied with the HX Stomp I got in 2020 during Covid as I was hoping it could compete with my real, loud, punchy tube amps for playing at home. But Line6 is to be commended on providing real value and keep on releasing updates years later and support those that bought their products.

[@ambientriffs9689]

Yes yes mate! I've been doing this with my HX effects for a couple of years now. Have gotten great results similar to some chase Bliss stuff

[@thepedalreview]

Oh man you did it! Thank you! This is awesome. Watching this video now.

[@fishy4071]

So very useful. Teaching me how to fish with the HX Stomp ;) . . . * Also it's making me listen more closely to the guitar and the fx. I learn so much from this channel. * . . . although you'd be welcome to put the "fish" in the preset folder

[@itscraigfontes]

Honestly it's criminal you don't have more subscribers

[@newstuff1107]

What a great idea. I need to try that on mine. I focused mostly on amp model realism.

[@lilybeejones]

I pre ordered the meris but sent it back. Just realized the Stomp can do most of what I need for delay. The features I wanted from the Meris I coil find elsewhere in smaller formats or within the Stomp itself

[@jakollee]

Great name, “Penny Saver” was the name of a small newspaper in the area where I grew up that was loaded with discount coupons.

[@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist]

Good call on the Asheville pattern and the many other filters, also the spring reverbs

[@johnnathancordy]

You turned me on to the Asheville!

[@Nixxal]

Cool I didn’t know about tape eater in the legacy modulation for lo-fi stuff thanks for the tip!

[@Takianagi]

This is really cool! Thanks for the vid! 🎸🎶🔥

[@limpeacock573]

Very useful. Thank you!

[@daccas04]

Great video. Thank you. I have a volante, timeline and big sky and am wondering if I can get away with selling them all to just use a HX. Your video has been very helpful.

[@CMHobbies]

The Méris is so cool, but out out my price range for a pedal that isn’t something like the Stomp. I’ll keep using my stomp and collider-as always, thanks for presenting alternatives for us non-career guitar guys who don’t buy alot of stuff.

[@Terrible_Peril]

HX plus Source Audio is a whole vibe for sure, well chosen utility there. Game recognize game. A friend of mine went with the Zoia instead of the Stomp. Very different ecosystem being built as a modular synth type vs guitar pedal type but similar results can be achieved with unconventional methods.

[@johnnathancordy]

It's certainly not cheap, I think when you factor in that it includes quite a few of their pedals that are ~£260 and that they've developed a UI and stuff there's just no way that it would be as cheap as something like the HX Stomp (which I think is the best value piece of gear out there)

[@marceloaguileravillegas4607]

How do you compare the delays on the collider vs hx stomp? I have a nemesis delay that I'm thinking of swap it for the hx stomp...

[@stuartgonsal8443]

Really cool. Thanks 🙂

[@killahattack529]

Today's opening song was amazing. Gonna try learning that.

[@RobCowie]

That intro was sick.

[@hansgrayman4809]

I know the delays on the HX Effects I have that I run into my tube amps are very good. Through the computer and sitting down refining all my presets and snapshots, I get great delays and other effects out of it to not need other pedals. That's what I prefer too. To have everything in one unit that lets me switch through my saves fluidly.

[@newstuff1107]

Oh yes, everything in the same box. It’s how I use it.

[@yoshowa]

I knew it. Ha ha great video, thank you very much for this.

[@samuellimademoura7521]

For me, In terms of sound, I think the Hx Stomp and Helix stuf in general is good as the top delays on the market. However the way that I use Hx Stomp in my board (1 Amp + 2 IR's and Modulations) is hard to explore complex delays by itself, but combined with external pedals time base fx (in my case Empress Echosystem and Reverb) is the best way to create huge ambient sounds, imo

[@johnnathancordy]

Interestingly, Empress have asked if I would demo some of there stuff!

[@samuellimademoura7521]

​@@johnnathancordy I love Empress pedals, specially the EchoSystem. The possibility to use 1 or 2 delays and setting up in serial, parallel or dual is amazing. For me, the price and no USB to update (only SD card) are the big problems on Empress Pedals.

[@3mstudiospalmdesert]

For me it's not a matter of affording it money-wise, it's affording it timewise in the learning curve and setup time and also the affording bringing a pedalboard and all these things are not necessary with the Stomp or whatever unit you are using. I can stack as many types of delays as I want in a single patch on my Quad Cortex even though it doesn't have the depth at this time. I can give it most of the depth by using different delays together, and it will continue to improve with updates. It's not worth a separate pedal board. I got the QC and Helix to get away from all that.

[@danjack-son4871]

To be honest, I am not convinced with the Meris LVX. I own an H90, and it sounds fantastic to my ears. If I needed another delay, etc, I'd go with another H90 or a Line 6 HX Stomp or back to a Strymon Timeline.

[@andsoistopped]

This belongs in the folder.

[@DareBear2099]

I ran delays on my HX stomp for about a year on the worship circuit, I recently stopped and got a NuX Atlantic to run in the loop. The biggest issue I ran into while using delays on the stomp ultimately was DSP. I’d find a delay and reverb I like to run in stereo and suddenly I’m limited in my amps and cabs and/or can’t use blocks because all my DSP was used up. Add to that losing a button to tap tempo/tuner. I dunno, it’s not worth it to me. Not without getting a Jet Micro or a little Robbie Pilot. I personally wouldn’t recommend it if your stomp is also your IR/direct solution. Maybe if you use the stomp in conjunction with an amp and pedals that could work, but I know for me it almost always gave me DSP limitations

[@johnnathancordy]

Hmm for me I've been able to run a Stomp just by itself - particularly for live stuff I found that going in stereo wasn't always necessary. Generally I find in the Stomp you can do Drive+Amp+Cab+Delay+Reverb with no trouble at all, it's when you start adding in a second amp, or multiple reverbs that things get a little trickier. Of course depending on exactly what sort of thing you're doing your mileage may vary, but with clever use of snapshots etc I've been super happy with the HX Stomp XL for the last Wedding season!

[@DareBear2099]

@@johnnathancordy ah yes, I was trying to use multiple reverbs and delay (getting that worship sound), also snapshots I haven’t really messed with (and my helix friends all tell me it’s amazing). Have you made a video on how to use snapshots?

[@jordanmichael2655]

This is an awesome video. Why exactly are you moving everything to path b?

[@mtguitar5150]

I have zero desire for any other delays or verbs as long as my stomp keeps ticking. I'd be hard pressed to get the same stereo sensations out of my older TC units (G major or Nova System). My only real gripe is I wish as time went along updates allowed for greater dsp usage (I only run verb delay and mods but still run out of dsp from time to time)

[@gilguajardo7808]

Sold my LVX because I quickly realized what you demonstrated in this video, i.e., Stomp can get me close enough, plus it can do much more, e.g., amp modeling.

[@dprudhotube1]

Hey John, what preset did you use on the 5W world Mayer video?

[@bustalick335]

Jessy J price tag 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Very funny yet informative video 👍🏼

[@christopherjbutler]

@John Nathan Cordy. Every one of your beautiful tones and videos with this unit keeps nudging me closer to getting an HX. :-) But I am trying to hold out a bit longer What I WANT is a new Line 6 hardware generation. A new full size helix could maybe be a flagship with twice the DSP as the current helix, but what would be perfect for me would be a device that sits in the Line6 tier where the HX Stomp XL does now, that will have the DSP the current Helix is capable of, but in the form factor of a Boss GX-100, with a built in expression pedal. Scribble strips would be nice too, but I could understand if that can't be done in that form factor.

[@onesandzeros]

I'd like a new gen so the current stuff is cheaper on the used market :)

[@christopherjbutler]

@@onesandzeros LOL THAT too!

[@collinmeyer6761]

There's the idea of what something can do, and then there's the actual audio result from something. The merris is amazing on paper, but you can achieve a lot better sounding results with an HX in my opinion.

[@zachreynolds4769]

This is incredible! Is this patch in one of the folders? I can't seem to find it in what I've purchased previously.

[@johnnathancordy]

Hey Zach, if you can't find it, shoot me an email - Post Elon, I changed the link

[@trickfall8752]

I was watching the Meris video thinking you could get those tones out of the Stomp. My goal for this weekend is to see if I can get the stop to sound like the Catlinbread Soft Focus pedal.

[@Goontone13]

nice!!!

[@mikejones-hs7od]

My modeling conversion is commencing

[@kyran4238]

It happens to the best of us. There is a tube amp snob inside of me that is still angry 😂

[@manuelhe46]

I haven't seen anything that truly replaces my old Deluxe Memory Man

[@Ryan-tv4wc]

Check out the Brigadier from Strymon. Literally the only thing that I have ever heard nail the old DMM sounds.

[@swayamtailor]

Similar thing on the ampero? You're probably the only youtuber who could potentially make a ton of great resources for the ampero, really hope you expand on it kinda like how you've expanded onto the HX stomp!

[@rafsnchz]

what stops you from trying something like this on your Ampero? seriously guys these comments about “make videos for another modellers” are just annoying. I use Headrush MX5 myself, but anything that’s done in this video can be done in pretty much any modern digital modeller. so just go and experiment, otherwise you will never sound good anyway. 😑

[@swayamtailor]

@@rafsnchz maybe I just like watching John fiddle around with a device that I own. And also, what I'm looking for is his approach to how he would do something like this. Of course I experiment myself, but watching someone else do it often reveals possibilities that one may not have considered themselves. All of that, and the fact that I just like hearing John talk, and he's looking for video ideas so might as well as type it in the comments so that he knows there's an audience for these things too. Hope you have a nice day mate!

[@CMHobbies]

@@swayamtailor yeah, the man posts twice a day-I don’t know anyone else who does that. I used to post hobby videos 1-2x week for fun and thought it was a lot of work. Give him all the ideas!

[@johnnathancordy]

Cheers for the suggestion Swayam, whilst Rafael is right in that you can do it on other modelers, I welcome suggestions for things that you folks who are kind enough to watch and comment on this rubbish so that hopefully I end up making more of the sort of thing that you guys are interested in, rather than just playing alone to myself in my bedroom like I did for the first 3 decades of my life

[@swayamtailor]

@@johnnathancordy I agree with him as well, and i already made a similar patch too. But as I said, we like hearing you talk, it's almost a one sided friendship at this point considering how much of your playing and talking I've seen/heard. Cheers mate, and hope you're having a stellar day!

[@Iodine74]

Is a full Helix capable of doing this AND having dual amp modeling going on? Thats one thing I’m curious about. Clearly the Stomp doesn’t have that much power. I can typically only get one extra stereo effect in there when i run a Princess and a Fawn (I come into the stomp with a stereo signal from my pedalboard).

[@johnnathancordy]

Yeh the full Helix could do this, the HX stomp has half the power of the Helix

[@Iodine74]

@@johnnathancordy Cool I don't think it knew it was half. That's interesting as I sit here debating getting rid of one of my amps since I've been doing mainly headphones for the last year.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

I just came from the other direction: Got the M5 on my board since like 11 years (before that, M9, before DL4). Bought a HX Stomp for my new board. Played a gig with the HX Stomp alone, trying to replace my favourite Strymon Timeline sounds, which only partly worked (regular tape delay was okay, faux reverb based on Timeline Pattern mode not so much). Bought the Meris LVX and was surprised it cannot only come very close to both my favourite Strymon AND Line 6 delay sounds. But also, inspite being mainly a delay, it can also do tons of other effects, many better than the HX (of course, HX allows more combinations, has amps & cabs while LVX doesn’t, and can do better wah & a wider range of drive pedal emulations). Here’s my demo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp-lepidiNShqbM

[@rolfbeyer1511]

Ja...hx stomp reicht völlig...danke für das Video

I just sold my Timeline yesterday to reduce my board size. I’ll use the delays of my hx stomp.

[@kyran4238]

Great move, the Stomp is far more versatile

[@bustalick335]

Think you have a scammer in comments 😕

[@johnnathancordy]

Report it, they get axed pretty quickly!

[@clorindemusic6290]

You can but it ain’t gonna sound that good...