Can this bureaucrat explain what the Treaty of Waitangi has to do with electoral reform?

Can this bureaucrat explain what the Treaty of Waitangi has to do with electoral reform? Sean Plunket talks to Independent Electoral Review Chair Deborah Hart.
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[@mauricepearce4400]

If a 16 year old is allowed to vote then they should be able to be tried as an adult when it comes to crimes also and put into the adult jail system and then it will be fair and just 👍👍

[@simon-ds1vp]

if a kid works full time , then they should be able to vote , and that means work not on a benefit

[@helsonwheels5175]

@@simon-ds1vp I think you will find very few do. If they do, they can wait two years.

[@brucegibbins3792]

@Maurice Pearce. None of that makes any sense and the comment you've made is illogical. Can you not see that the suggestion you make is ridiculous and Dickensian not something a civilised first world country would or could entertain because it's morally reprehensible. Also logistically near impossible. Perhaps only in the minds of the demented and mentally disarranged could such nonsense make any sense.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

@@simon-ds1vp Voting is based on understood maturity, best seen as knowledge and understanding of democratic rights, obligations and principles, as well as the current political landscape and challenges facing the nation. What you are advocating for is the ability of some 16 year olds to be able to buy the right to vote by working and paying taxes, while the majority would not be afforded that right by deciding to (presumably) continue their education. That's one of the reasons a full tax burden doesn't ensure full voting rights.

[@valeriehughes1008]

Well said... correct there has to be responsibilities to be attached to the vote.

[@bleepbloop1762]

Kids today can't decide if they are a boy or a girl and you expect them to vote?😂

[@margueritemccartney3607]

Children can not be given the right to vote . Ridiculous

[@rogerdewhurst5750]

They can if Hipkins is running the show

[@jackiebiggs7071]

​@@rogerdewhurst5750 the voting age is , I believe, entrenched which would require 75% of parliament to agree which Act and National won't support.

[@dfor50]

@Cosmo There's mutterings of this by the Greens in Australia so I would keep overflying that place.

[@geoffstokes]

Nek minut they'll be wanting 5 year olds to vote because it 'reasonable' in a free and democratic society. So what is the legal standard of reasonableness at the moment. It used to be, at least in criminal law, what was reasonable to the ordinary man on the Clapham omnibus, or something like that

[@loop1479]

Most adults can be easily manipulated to believe fabrications by government, this would be a goldmine for politicians having already woke voters.

[@yingle6027]

You could cut the number of bureaucrats by half and the country wouldn't even notice. Retrain them to work in industries that actually need workers.

[@adsdft585]

The CEO decide if staffing levels need to increase . The extra money may be allocated by parliament.

[@valeriehughes1008]

Ah it used to be called FIRST PAST THE POST with the majority being elected to govern... only MP's who had won and electoral seat were called politicians.. and they represented a fraction of the number who sit in the house today... we now have some 96 more MP than in the days of first past the post..I for one did not vote for MMP for that very reason... too many MP feeding off the taxpayer.

[@Davemurray2880isaindian]

So Yingle, so halving the numbers of Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, Police, and Fire Service staff won't be noticed then?

[@yingle6027]

@@Davemurray2880isaindian Obviously keep those much needed workers. I'm talking about the other half that look for things to meddle with in order to justify their jobs, there are 1000's of them and consultants too.

[@Davemurray2880isaindian]

@@yingle6027 are these the ones that use local small businesses and keep them afloat, like Dairies, Panel beaters, Electricians, Plumbers. So you are happy to see these businesses go under?

[@Kiwi-pp7rg]

This women is so unprepared and here she is making recommendations to something as important as this!!

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

can we deal with crime, the cost of living, the education crisis, increasing racism and the state of our roads before we start tweaking the system first

[@m-egreenisland7086]

Nah they’re to hard

[@m-egreenisland7086]

@@NA-sj9jy you lost me 🤣

[@lilith3953]

Can you add womans rights, medical ethics, freedom of speech, and the transing of children to that list please.

[@jackitt4883]

yes the outburst from Marama Davidson was not only racist also bigoted...Lets not start about a political party solely based on race...

[@hohepaparaone6567]

@@lilith3953 wtf is transing of children?

[@nztasha]

Can anyone honestly say that no high school teachers would not take advantage of the opportunity to influence their 16 year old students on who to vote for? Most 16 year olds are not tax payers either.

[@dfor50]

I am in Queensland and we extended our state government term from 3 years to 4 years and it has been a disaster with an incompetent government that we can't get rid of for another 12 months. Definitely keep them to 3 years.

[@CHewittMedia]

Surprise, surprise, (after a bit of googling) she's a climate activist. Sean, your first question to these "independent" representatives should be what their stance is on climate change. It will tell you everything you need to know about what kinds of "democratic" ideas are swirling around in these people's heads.

[@defaultname01]

She will be another champagne socialist for sure.

[@newtongroves3413]

Dumb as a bag off hammers, no surprise there. Where is my Civil Right to be protected from 16 YO Stupidity who pay no tax

[@valeriehughes1008]

The voting age must remain at 18 and even that is too young... 21 was better age - the young voter had a little more life experience under their belts and had left the "far left" influences of academia and so were more inclined to make a balanced decision when voting... and not just vote as their parents and teachers! Labour has to go... more and more interference changing everything in the fabric of our life to suit their own dangerous socialist agendas. There is so much to do getting our country stable and working again without opening yet another can of worms. This woman is a worry she jabbers and trying to drag the treaty into this makes it a nightmare! She is out of her depth. Tear up the wretched document...it has become a racist divisive document. In the end FIRST PAST THE POST was a much fairer option which worked well in our past...

[@rogerdewhurst5750]

21 would be better but 25 would be better still

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@rogerdewhurst5750 Agree...By then they have gained more life experience, contributed a bit more and invested more in the country so their votes are more likely to be their own views gained from knowledge of what the country needs rather than just follow their parents and teachers voting habits....

[@kiakaha6854]

landowners 25 & older

[@pauldansby8285]

Sean once I get extra income I am signing up to the platformNZ to support you and all your staff members :) 10 out of 10 for TELLING THE TRUTH, ARGUING THE TRUTH!!

[@hohepaparaone6567]

stop the cap.

[@waynepike4337]

Lowering voting age to 16 is completely bonkers, What nut case in parliament came up with this idea.

[@rogerdewhurst5750]

Hipkins of course

[@janec1242]

imported culture - started in America - the left have been pushing this through the west for years now - they always work in lock step, just NZ's step is a few behind...

[@deklerkverwoerd7721]

it's a clever idea by Labour. the brainwashng in the education system suits their narritive perfectly. The wokes ideals are emotion based.

[@khzn9309]

A Kiwi 😬

[@thetoiletinspector6878]

The person(s) who have come up with the idea are not nuts. They have realised that by doing so, they will increase their voter base, and it's most likely that the 16 to 18 year old population has already been captured by the left, and will be very hard for center-right to right wing political parties to bring over to their side. Imagine trying to have a rational political debate with an average 16 year old whose thoughts are mostly governed by their feelings.

[@carl3941]

Just because you choose not to participate does not mean you are hard done by.

[@willryan5508]

"What are you balancing freedom against"- Great question Sean, the question of the decade that can be applied to all reals of politics and society- tyranny under the name of "fairness and safety"

[@shadowbanned1999]

"equality" "workers of the world unite" and all the other commie gobbledegook slogans used throughout history.

[@BobPackard]

Bloody hell!! Can you imagine having a bunch of kids like Greta Thunburg having the vote? Easily swayed, hormone driven, fresh out of school believing every adult that speaks to her, such is her experience.

[@lilith3953]

Greta is in her twenties now, I'm pretty sure of it. She's well over the current voting age.

[@BobPackard]

@@lilith3953 You may be right, and she has changed sides as well!! She has said that she was manipulated and lead by the nose. BUT that's NOW, I am talking about when she was a petulant child, screaming and ranting somebody else's claptrap. THAT is the one i don't want to hold voting privileges

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

​@@lilith3953 She is 20 now. Whatever you make of her politics, there's been a very clear change in her approaches to climate activism since she was 16. Where once she was a screaming catastrophist, she now seems more measured in her approaches, which is exactly what one would expect as she learns more about the world, people and subject matter. As a public persona, she is a very good example of why 16 year olds should not be voting: they are a volatile mix of emotional response and outright ignorance.

[@pinkybar7328]

@@lilith3953 and also gone back on her climate change rubbish aswell,she must be waking up

[@lifeliver9000]

I’m a great fan. Amazing person that got people talking. I’m not a fan of the humans being the main cause of climate change but I’m big on stopping pollution of sea, earth, air and fresh water and Greta highlighted it big time. Though of coarse greed and laziness stopped anyone doing anything about it. Greta is a environmental angel

[@willryan5508]

Her position is to try to engineer equal outcomes, but that is not to say they don't have equal rights and opportunities. These idiots conflate equity with equality and don't understand the meaning of the words they use! As Sean stated, Maori actually have more rights, another roll and guaranteed seats!

[@iankinnell5643]

Idiots is a polite term these people deserve to be talked down to & treated like kids

[@lynnebarnes3840]

Can Maori still pass their medical exams and become a doctors with lower marks.??

[@optimumperformance]

They didn’t care about human right during covid

[@klburroughsnz]

3 or 4yr Parliament term? - who would have wanted another year for Labour to bed in all the co-goverance, devisive & woke policies, which they have only put on hold because they know the 2 Teams (Labour created making up the 5 mill) are now going to get their say

[@adsdft585]

We have referendum on this before I recall. NZ and Australia suit a three year term .

[@adsdft585]

People had similar feelings about National lead governments of the past.This way 3 years is our choice. City councils have same term of office. Look at UK the government has 5 years and USA 4. It often seems to long for their citizens.

[@berniefynn6623]

TREATY IS NOT an agreement about going forward, just brings maori into the British system.

[@gavinmcarthur3676]

the 1835 treaty ensures maori sovereinty

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

@@gavinmcarthur3676 Not over the whole nation, just over their own culture and assets/pocessions

[@user-kt1hn5fo2h]

Happy to get hand out aye

[@Cyril_Squirrel]

Maoris would vote more infrequently than the rest of us no matter what steps are taken for them.

[@garycody1929]

More of these taxpayer money wasters need held to account. Submissions will have no bearing on the ideas they already have. Paid to appear neutral.

[@neilforeman]

And paid to be woke, which is a marxist/communist ideology. Notice how all woke indoctrinated women excessively gesticulate. Remind you of anyone?

[@carl3941]

This lady is dangerous

[@deklerkverwoerd7721]

how and why?

[@carl3941]

@@deklerkverwoerd7721 did you not watch the interview? She is adding things out of thin air.

[@deklerkverwoerd7721]

@@carl3941 yes I did watch the interview. I just was interested what your thoughts were. She is incredibly dangerous as she speaks without facts. Completely indoctrinated and part of the far left agenda even though she claimed early in the interview to be right leaning. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[@terri-annejoyce2164]

16 is way to young. But they know 16yr olds can be easily manipulated via media...

[@brucegibbins3792]

The serial viewing of mind numbing drivel like TV's Shortland Street will likely be an influence on how thousands of New Zealaders will vote.

[@TheAldawg77]

The issue is that the education system indoctrinates the youth with cultural marxist ideologies and this is a major influence on their world view at such a young age. It's not until they start to get more life experience outside of the education system (getting a job, paying bills/rent etc, being independent) that they start to understand the practicalities of life and develop a more pragmatic view of how the world really works.

[@edwardnewborn3523]

Dear oh dear oh dear. Where are we heading for with people like this??!!!

[@MrMeldarionx]

The new government needs to sack ALL of these public servants

[@berniefynn6623]

SOCIETY decides the ages of voting, NOT politicians or courts.

[@alanbrooke144]

So you want to abolish parliament and representative MPs for direct democracy where every individual gets to vote on every matter of policy? Sounds incredibly inefficient to me.

[@berniefynn6623]

@@alanbrooke144 we cannot allo2 politicisnd to decide voting sge

[@rogerdewhurst5750]

In your dreams

[@mikewilliams6086]

Thanks Sean for clearly questioning this leader who doesn't understand what she is doing!

[@brianmarshall1762]

12:00 Sean lays down a truth bomb. You can almost hear the guests brain breaking at that point. As I have said for some years, and David Farrer also said earlier in an interview with Michael Laws, the treaty is more like the US Declaration of Independence, not their constitution. The basis of it sets out that the chiefs cede sovereignty to the British crown and get full rights as British subjects. It then also states that they get to keep their possessions and formalises how land is going to be sold by Maori at that point going forward. Nothing more.

[@grantedgar1844]

Brian Marshall you are not kidding. She had a Chris Hipkins, "what is a woman" moment. Making shit up as she goes along. She didn't have time to "formulate a response".

[@andreatodd3095]

If you can't put a criminal away at 16, why would you give them the vote they are juveniles in the eyes of the law. Imo your guest is just not believable

[@andreatodd3095]

@mountainviews46 do you honestly think criminals are going to vote for a system that put them away, likely they will vote for any other party who will give them shorter time in prison. It's a trojan horse moment that allows division and manipulation of our electoral system.

[@eileencoulter6263]

The people dont live in a free and democratic society ,this government has made sure of that

[@trevormoore2993]

Can't believe how difficult it was dragging out her personal political history. A bit like getting blood out of a stone.

[@brianlee5505]

Yeah that woman never voted for National..I'm guessing she knew what the majority listening audience were (ie Centre right) and tried to make us think she was on the same page....

[@Jay-oh1li]

I mean National is hardly to the right these days. Aside from a few economic areas.

[@richardburian2516]

Yes political answer to go around the block 3 times, lots of lip service very litle facts. Hesitation to tell truth.

[@bloffsmint4852]

The level of intelligence of this quasi lawyer turned Labor Government advisor it's rather remarkable but 😕

[@marshallgarrett1593]

Good interview, I think the labour government would benefit the most from the 16-year-old vote. The education system sits up currently young people to accept many of the left-leaning policies been currently pushed by the labour government. There are exceptions. Needless to say however, indoctrination is the theme of a lot of education today, I know this is very general it may be a little unfair, but it is my view

[@vandenankeroz]

love your no bull-shit about every thing Sean.

[@dsartain3404]

Well done Sean, please continue to forensically challenge people who might make changes to the system in NZ that will affect everyone for a very, very long time.

[@andrewmann3787]

Why do they think they have the right to change things without public consultation

[@zhdlot]

She's not on the centre right , she's on the side that's paying her !

[@optimumperformance]

If they want to lower the voting age then lower charging teens as adults to 16 for crimes and military service to 16.

[@shadowbanned1999]

Military service should be 16. Train them educate them ect but don't send them overseas until 18 preferably don't send them over seas at all. That could probably benefit most of our youth. The indoctrination centers are failures.

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@shadowbanned1999 I was in high school in the 50's and WW2 had not long ended in the Pacific....the boys at high school were all turned out for military drill every week - taken by officers from the Tihoi military camp.... the boys loved it and they got a taste of taking orders as these military guys took no back chat or bad behaviour and they knew how to handle trouble makers.....4 times+ around the football field with your full pack on and a bren gun held high over your head in a uniform that felt and looked like sandpaper!!! The boys learnt a lot of team building work and general civil defence work also, shooting etc, they worked hard to climb up the ranks for stripes... they thrived on it! Boys grew into men quickly! At the same time all the girls were herded off to learn to cook for a family of 5+ on a shoestring budget.... some thing that during 54 years of marriage and bringing up a family through all sorts of financial ups and downs I have been glad of the skills I learnt and still have my old high school cookbooks! In those days we didn't have all the health issues we have today simply because the only takeaways were fish and chip shops and Coca Cola had not even hit NZ yet - Mum always made a home cooked meal and Dad always had a great vegetable garden and every garden had fruit trees..... all small town NZ lived like this - eating well but had very active lives! There was always heaps of sugar in our diets as it went into all the fruit bottling, Mum's endless cakes and puddings....every housekeeping job was a chore, boiling the copper and I learnt to chop fire wood at 6 to help fuel the copper...we helped Mum lift the boiling clothes and drop them into concrete tubs, some rang the clothes by hand - luckily we must have been "posh" as we had a hand wringer, which was my job to turn the handle on.... we were so responsible as kids and by the time we were 16 many of us were earning our living and paying board to help out our families.. there were no over weight kids like you see today they ran off or worked off in chores what they ate! We can never relive the past entirely but some of the disciplines we learnt from a very early age kept most of us on the straight and narrow... children today have no discipline... as my old Dad would say... "children should be seen and not heard"... we did not like it but learnt the respect of waiting until our opinions were called for. RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE are not taught by parents today and our jails and drug centres show the result of them not being taught.

[@judithclark4184]

oh gosh 16 year olds how reckless can labour get mind you 16 do a crime do they get tried in a adult court

[@carl3941]

Nah, not until 17

[@brucegibbins3792]

What has that got to do with anything?

[@socialite1283]

The thing with "independent" reviews, is that the review follows the guidelines that are laid down for the review. Guidelines are very much like railway tracks.

[@andyrh9]

Keep up the good work, the labour party activists just don't know what to do about you 😂😂

[@warwickhewitt8844]

As any parent of a teenager knows, teenagers are all screwed up and their brains ate still developing due to hormones, puberty etc. Teenagers are also dealing with bullying, pair pressure, self image, self harm, social media, future career choices, introduction to drugs/alcohol etc etc. They dont need to be forced to grow up any quicker than modern teenagers already have to.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

If one looks at the treaty principles, written up in the 70s, principles 3 and 6 and it basically gives Maori the right to change the treaty to suit whatever they want it to mean.

[@shauntempley9757]

No, it says their Maori rights as a people and as a person are given equal weight to others. In todays speak, us Maori and you are citizens, and your cultural views are equal. That has never been realised, and the easiest example to give, is that many Local and Regional Councils do not allow Maori roll voters to vote in their elections to elect Councillors. They have to have a Ward seat in both Councils to do it, and Auckland Council is the key most high profile one that still blocks it today, right now.

[@murraysimpson4012]

She is totally confused and been captured by trying to do good rather than equality. Treaty is an Agreement nothing more that give Maori equal rights as settlers under English Law. Treaty can never form part of a Constitution. Treaty ensures Maori has ownership over their own lands and treasures.

[@brettess52]

These people who um and ah more than they can espouse well reasoned and articulate information should be viewed with suspicion.

[@lilianabracanov239]

You know why. So they can blame those 16yr olds when their kids are living in Hell

[@hartley9958]

This woman here is a stark reason why we need to sack over half our burecrats all they do is vacuum up taxpayer money, and if shes National then i have a island to sell you...

[@richardeasther2569]

If one listens to the latest news about New Zealand one could be forgiven for believing that Maori are indigenous to New Zealand and they aren’t in fact I think I heard they had something to do with the genocide of the people who where in New Zealand when they got here - that is historically correct isn’t it?- or is what happened in the past open to being changed

[@brucegibbins3792]

My understanding is that Maori began their sea journeys to an unnamed land that was also unpopulated, we know as New Zealad. Then very recently a documentary appearing on my tablet device featured information that applied not to the two main islands of Aotearoa-New Zealand but instead to just and what we know today as the Chatham Islands. Exploration by Maori to the Chatham Islands brought them in contact with another group of people not dissimilar to themselves. Apparently they didn't get along with each other and Maori prevailed to eventually become the sole occupiers of the island they named in te reo Maori and latter changed by the British to Chatham. Throughout history there have been wars over a struggle for recourses and empire building.

[@hohepaparaone6567]

that is not historically correct. maori have populated aotearoa since 850 ish, the people you are referring to the Moriori of Rekohu (moriori name for chatham island) 1835 two iwi from Taranaki at the time residing in Wellington traveled on a sailing ship to Rekohu and killed and enslaved the Moriori. it was not genocide as they are still in 2023 living on the chathams. they now have moriori, maori. and pakeha living there.

[@chriswalsh6505]

@@hohepaparaone6567 850-ish?! Are you serious? Fifteenth century is the estimate most likely accurate, late 14th maybe.

[@brucegibbins3792]

@@chriswalsh6505 more commonly held is the view that "The Great Migration" occurred in the thirteen hundreds from "Hawaiki", where that actually was seems still not to be clearly identified. Some thinking seems to prefer that to be in Asia somewhere, while others go with South America-possibly Chile. Other opinions seem to suggest that "the Great migration" was infact a series of separate voyages, But really, I'm only repeating what I was taught at School in the 1950s and even then most of that was cheering for the British Empire. Along the way I've heard and viewed recently on a Television documentary about Maori migration rather than from a more reliable academic study. Perhaps just a coincidence, but during my travels though SE Asia I got to chatting in a bar with a chap from Indonesia. What came up in the conversation was that in his dialect, there are very similar words to te reo Maori.

[@paulhoskin5353]

We looked at everything....except how informed 16 and 17 year olds in NZ are.

[@geoffstokes]

Heck. I don't trust our electoral system, and I'm not Maori

[@peasant5612]

Kids at 16 voting. Barely worked at that age , don't give me part time after school stuff. Paid bills? Paid for compliance for the business? Taken a loan to run the business to pay for compliance that comes from parliament? For the life of me cannot see why a 16 year old needs to vote when they have not experienced life outside of school Seriously

[@jjbraddock2702]

Vote Labour out.

[@lesteranddonna]

The woman is nuts !

[@glengrant3884]

Another well heeled woke lawyer! Good luck n.z.! Hope you get through this nonsense!🖤🤍

[@paulh6395]

So the so called experts who gets paid a lot of money have to ask the public if they are doing things right and if not what they should be doing.Something inside me is telling me if she was a national supporter she would not have got the position of the chair.

[@ferguswood4065]

I wonder if they considered our youths education, their literacy and numeracy in comparison to other liberal nations such as Canada, Scotland, Wales etc. We have probably the most malleable youth due to their lack of critical awareness and education in a diversity of schools of thought. As a young adult myself I can see from my everyday experience that this is the case. I know data is not the plural of anecdote, but it's persuasive when others have the same experience. Furthermore, it is not just the predisposition of youth to "idealistic" parties that skews them to the left, but the notable influence their peers and teachers have on them (who are more likely than not to be left leaning). Either this report was being run by ignorant morons, or worse, they have an agenda.

[@andreatodd3095]

Yes, agree, this is just another tool to create division, watering down the system we already have. I detect a sales person as I watch her speak. Softly trying to justify a younger malleable group of people to get through liberal agendas, This recommendation is a trojan horse.

[@mjanny6330]

They absolutely have an agenda. "A day off school to vote for labour or the greens! And you'll be social ostracized if you vote any way else"

[@valeriehughes1008]

Fergus.. they have agendas.. called vote catching! You are correct and wise when you say youth have a predisposition to idealistic parties which skews them to the left... now in the "olden days" we had the vote set at first 25 then lowered to 21... simply because by that age the young had a chance to get out from under the influences of academia and even parents, time to start a career earn a living with the responsibility of paying tax - they then could form their own opinions, with first hand knowledge, the direction they wanted the country taken in. A well thought out and wise post!

[@dougruruku113]

How many 16 year olds know anything about politics, and for voting, what benefits do they get.

[@andreatodd3095]

If a gvt is doing a good job people will vote them in again, but if they aren't doing a good job we want to be able to get rid of them, I'm voting for 3 yrs because we have seen how quickly damage can be done, who in their right mind would want a bad governance to continue for another year if you want them out.

[@shadowbanned1999]

You also have to remember how the game of politics works. They won't do anything for the first year or the last year and just milk the taxpayer for the middle.

[@keithscott1255]

Please don't use Sturgeon's shit-show Scotland as any kind of good practice.

[@lilianabracanov239]

BODY LANGUAGE SAYS BULL AND SHE IS SCARED UNSURE AND VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE THINGS WE KNOW ARE TRUE

[@PontificusPinion]

Yep. It helps to turn the volume off and just study their facial expressions and body language.

[@neilmorris8343]

If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be doing the job.

[@W61K]

Perhaps she is just nervous being on video--- full stop, rather than she had anything to hide ! Intelligence / across the subject and Delivery are two separate things ! She didn't come across well but neither did Sean ! Give her a break, I suspect she had the nerves !

[@dougkennedy6280]

Just solve it with a referendum . Make it fair to the people

[@ashfranklyn2847]

So, in answer to the banner question, it's "No! But if you let me finish, But IF you'll let me finish, you'll find I still don't have a clue what I'm talking about!"

[@geoffstokes]

Do you really want the current govt to have an extended term?

[@kiwinana5128]

No. Definitely not.

[@nzbrotrev9028]

She is not from the right

[@kb-bf4zd]

omg this woman is delluded or being paid ------ maori are treated same as me in fact they have 2 options of electoral role to vote i dont - 16 is to young they cant even drive with a safety view of assess100 metres in front them like older adults do

[@mattheweden-pc5pk]

If 16 year old can vote what about the 16 year old who are doing the crime in that mindset They should be prosecuted as adults you can’t have it both ways,the treaty should not be passed in history time to move forward

[@trevor6483]

Bloody brilliant conversation - cheers

[@zhdlot]

Can you imagine what today's 16 year old male police officer would look like ?

[@kiakaha6854]

exactly! you would be handing power to someone too young

[@lydiascl]

Rights come with responsibilities.. Next thing you'll know is these 16 year olds will have the right to change gender.. 🤔

[@kw267]

This is ridiculous, for goodness sakes !!!!! I'm voting for Winston Peters and so is my entire family.....

[@optimumperformance]

Maybe NZ should become a constitutional republic

[@dougbulldog9947]

Talking heads come to mind, She's talking a lot, but she's not saying anything, stop making sense, Shaun.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

The list should be abolished.

[@juliethompson110]

Go Sean! Good man!

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

"The Human Rights Act says you cannot discriminate on age from 16 and above [...] New Zealand doesn't have one age of majority." Well, which is it? Those are totally contradictory points. NZ law discriminates between 16 and 18 in a great many ways, so by the argument she is making EVERYTHING should be reduced to 16, which is absurd and in some cases immoral. Edit: "The supreme court couldn't find a justification for not allowing 16 year olds to vote." - They couldn't find a LEGAL justification within the Electoral Acts and BORA, but that was the scope of their examination. Meanwhile, 79% of the public polled on the matter believed it a terrible idea because they were once 16 and they know what 16 year olds are like.

[@rod-contracts1616]

Long story short - woke idiocy prevails.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

@@rod-contracts1616 As a Kiwi living overseas, it has been interesting to watch NZ onboarding ideas that the wokerati tried to push in other states previously and are now being bandied about in NZ. Lowering voting age was a flash in the pan idea that has been dropped pretty much everywhere else, along with the disturbingly immoral idea of abolishing the age of consent. The concern is just how deeply these ideas appear to be entrenched in the NZ govt, whereas in other places the ideas were broached by activists who were told by govts to go jump in a lake.

[@rod-contracts1616]

@@XXXX-yc6wv Indeed, woke idiocy is highly fashionable in our gov't. Perhaps they might jump in a boiling mud pool.

[@chriswalsh6505]

@@XXXX-yc6wv I agree entirely with what you say, but PLEASE purge the abomination of "onboarding" from your lexicon. And you know all the rest . . .

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

@@chriswalsh6505 Don't ever presume to tell me what words I can use.

[@lydiascl]

Even listening at 1.5x speed, this lady is umm-ing and ahhh-ing her way through.. So shady.. Changing these in an election year is so dodgy.. The current government had 2 terms to do this..

[@brucehardwick8824]

Naturally doing away with the Maori Seats will be part of the conversation.

[@accessaryman]

if we are all honest with our selves, when did we have any idea of anything political, or even care, for me it wasn't till around 22 when id had many chats about the subject, and started to care and take notice, some friends took notice at around 19, but have said they wasted their first vote later on, take driving , on average a driver is still learning their limits 2 year after they get their full license, simply the majority of us don't make mature decisions till around 20, If we are being honest.

[@stevenstuart1442]

and here we have NZ s serious problem...she has no idea, she thinks we have a constitution, that the treaty is our founding document and saying the treaty is about power sharing....and these people are making decisions with our future.....jeezzzz

[@ROSCOGB]

Bureaucratic bollocks A completely self absorbing personal view does nothing for an independent review

[@lilianabracanov239]

If 16 yr old think a boy can be a girl who is a then a dog or cat NO ONE IS SAFE

[@loop1479]

Yay Sean for calling out this person.

[@alloytoo]

Deborah exhibits the soft bigotry of low expectations.

[@raewynsharp9463]

Time to drain the bureaucratic swamp here in NZ. Too many faceless people making decisions for kiwis. I dont want my money spent on these people.

[@user-wp4iv8iu3h]

If 16 year old are old enough to vote then they are responsible enough to serve in the armed forces overseas in the front line,drink alcohol, enjoy all the privileges of our society as an adult and bear the consequences of their actions, redefine 16year old as an adult. Their parents will have no more parental responsibilities over them.

[@fazekiwis7707]

Good on you Sean. We need people like you!

[@jamesnewland3195]

We had a referendum a few years ago with overwhelming to keep the government to 3 years .

[@shawneyshoeshine]

Voting age should be 25 years old.. some life experience and some time for individuals to make meaningful contributions.. voting should be a privilege not a liberal right.. this is as much bullshite as the Maori seats, they need to go.

[@Wihongi]

If younger people tended towards the right instead of the left the political parties that favour and disfavour reducing the voting age would be predictably reversed.

[@berniefynn6623]

WHO???????????? says voting is a right,this is always thrown around as some sort of law, right to a house, who says?????????? desirable, yes, but a right?????

[@W61K]

Agree, its a privilege. You work hard you get house, you become a certain age 25, you have some life experience, you have some understanding and hopefully by thenvsome responsibility so you are privilaged to be given the chance to vote !

[@Drifty325i]

Hell yes Sean! calling out the bullshit mate well done.

[@daylightcaper812]

she must have been thrown out by the national party, the human rights act is going a bit far, my view is a 16-year-olds vote could easily be brought, and that would easily offend a taxpayer is either hard working and or believes in a fair or moral standard. The concept of changing something in our voting system on a regular basis is not a reason to change anything.

[@rogerdewhurst5750]

If that is the chairman what are the rest like for God's sake? Sticking a pin in a telephone directory would have produced a better result.

[@user-wp4iv8iu3h]

Great interview Tim I now understand why she is not a practicing lawyer (to quot Charlie brown GOOD GRIEF)

[@TheBasicTruth]

When asked important questions, there are too many errs and ums from this woman for what she says to be convincing. She talks as if there is one huge hidden agenda behind the answers that she might give but doesn't want to utter. Altogether very ungenuine.

[@andreatodd3095]

No trust is what comes from this person.

[@Neil-yx3rc]

This woman is woolly headed in all senses of the word and is getting paid for it.

[@maxpower7774]

Said her support was to the right, but eventually blathers on like a hardcore lefty. No wonder she sounded anxious and guarded from the start.

[@dougkennedy6280]

And as for giving the right for prisoners to vote . Get knotted

[@BobPackard]

I have long thought, that if you do a crime, as per the crimes Act, that necessitates and earns a stay in HM Prisons, along with the loss of your freedom, goes the loss of certain citizen rights. Voting being one of them.