Don Brash on the banning of karakias in council meetings

Don Brash talks to Sean Plunket about the banning of karakias in council meetings
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[@serenasmith26]

I remember when we were told that Treaty Settlements would end, now they are never-ending

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Don't waste your time Serena the flock have taken over the shepherd and I'm done💨

[@Wairoa4ever]

That was just the START, when they saw what they could get, they said lets GET more as there useless non maori will bow down and give in really!!!!

[@StGammon77]

Should never have started they sold, gave away and had some confiscated for murdering pakeha

[@andriesmaritz2055]

Good interview & I support Dr Don and am grateful for what he is doing. Keep it up. (Dr Andries Maritz)

[@jjbraddock2702]

Big difference between creating a bilingual nation and the apartheid (apartness) system called co-governance we are having forced on us.

[@NA-sj9jy]

New Zealand isn't a bilingual nation though. We are an English speaking nation. We have some people here that speak all languages of the World. There's probably more people here than Maori, that speak Samoan, Indian, Dutch and Chinese. This woke Maorifacation of our News, Government departments...is just further pushing people apart, it's making information unreadable and out of reach for most of society in New Zealand, as well as those outside of NZ trying to listen and read our News...I have friends that just unplug now, and don't bother. If the locals don't get it, they certainly don't. Just tune out and the information that needs to be heard, is lost. My friends and I now turn to Australia to get our news.

[@jeffjones5777]

You and your friends sound like cry baby 😢😂

[@andriesmaritz2055]

APARTHEID indeed. I am 22 years in NZ & a Citizen, but often pointed out that NZ practice APARTHEID based on Maori race. Why all the things just for Maori ?? Sport, MP's, TV, ???????????? Should be abolished. We should all be equal . (Dr Andries Maritz)

[@shauntempley9757]

It is because of Apartheid that the rugby teams were separated. As much as the selectors did not want Maori players on their teams. @@andriesmaritz2055

[@garycody1929]

The straightest clear thinking intellectual we have

[@musicians_with_gunts]

Yeah, that's sad.

[@J67844]

Opotiki 80% Maori Population voted against Maori Wards. Plus racist radicals like Louis Rapihana got voted out with dismal vote numbers. So theres obiviously a big groundswell of people "Maori" who are awake but wont say nothing.

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

I think Maori & Non Maori see where being screwed by IWI & Government and see we need a system that works for all of us....

[@sox7784]

@@Ricky-nq7lu agreed 👍

[@topgunhitman3856]

Yuo

[@Wairoa4ever]

There are NO more Maori, only part - Maori or mixed race at best

[@kiriwilliams1084]

@@Wairoa4ever so what what are you trying to say

[@andreatodd3095]

Good point Sean, I understand I have no rights on a Marae, I would not dare to speak or make any statement on a Marae...it's a given. So please don't hold up due process at council meetings that elected officials are paid for by EVERY rate. payer they are paid to work on our behalf that should be a given. Each religion cannot be respected equally at council meetings so better to leave it out altogether.

[@chrisallum9044]

We are not the USA. NZ is part of the commonwealth under the King with the King under God...Christianity is the religion of the country. Being Christian we accept others regardless of religion. It is not a secular country. Maori religion is the only other that has a real claim to the country as a whole. You don't have to be Christian to be a kiwi but it is a significant part of the foundational culture. I'm an atheist myself. Just FYI

[@Kaboomnz]

​@@chrisallum9044 "Being Christian we accept others regardless of religion".. since when have christians ever accepted other religions?

[@banyaga-di-palawan]

@@chrisallum9044 Secular government, not secular country.

[@josephl9619]

ive got enormous respect for don brash

[@musicians_with_gunts]

His wife is from Singapore 🙂

[@josephl9619]

@@musicians_with_gunts good for him

[@jeffjones5777]

I bet in his wife language he be all for it😊

[@Longtack55]

He's an adulterer and God-fearing hypocrite. Dogs - fleas. The plural of "Karakia" is "Karakia." It's a Maori word.

[@kiriwilliams1084]

Good for you although I don't think people care

[@readthinkhunt]

Well done Sean on letting the guest speak. I wish you would extend the same courtesy to other guests, it makes for a much better product.

[@DW_Kiwi]

Pleased to hear Don Brash and his comments are out there. A gentleman. I'm happy for a Maori to express a prayer. So long as it is Christian!! Secular meetings should be just that...Secular. NO prayers

[@emmamarlenesoutham]

are we a christan country? no, therefore what would be the relevance in this, christanity only got brought with colonisation and lets leave it there.

[@sherylwhite2201]

I used to work for a DHB until 5 years ago. When there were professional development events, they were always started with a karakia. I felt this was an absolute imposition in a basically secular society, and felt really annoyed about it.

[@StGammon77]

Karakia is witchcraft not prayer to God so it belongs in the past we are a Christian based country

[@pamh1648]

I look forward to the day when we are all considered kiwis or New Zealanders. I resent having to say what my race is on every form I fill out. I consider it to be racist and irrelevant.

[@topgunhitman3856]

It is rasist and irrelevant.i leve it blank

[@maieldmik5233]

Just put human.too easy

[@jeffjones5777]

😂

[@les8518]

It used to be that way.

[@bkeepr4246]

I don't mind stating my race, what I find very irritating, and I express this to those from government with these forms, is that these days they do not include my race. My mother was from clan Ross, my father from an English Law Lord. So I am British, like a large portion of Kiwis, but I am unrecognised and have to tick "other". I am not European, although if I could trace my paternal ancestry further back than 1750 then eventually there must have been a Norman, going by my surname. I am not Caucasian as I don't trace back to the Caucasus region, nor asia. While some may argue that Caucasian simply means a white person, and going far enough back I must be Caucasian, well going far enough back we are all Africian aren't we?

[@les8518]

Don Brash is a good man. Listen to him.

[@rangithorne6038]

🥵

[@les8518]

Co- governance should not happen in New Zealand.

[@peace2u947]

Yeah co-governance is a dumb policy all the way from dumb-dumbville. One person one vote democracy, if you have an NZ passport you are a Kiwi regardless of colour, ethnicity, tribe, age, gender etcetc.. Seymour does do some good things but he has some truly shocking views as well the end of life choice is barbaric. He's gonna need to overturn that one to get into power.

[@DW_Kiwi]

We "need" to have a debate on this!!

[@turi03175]

Without God in the mids nothing going to get better ever

[@Bob-zs3ro]

Only pakehas say that.

[@maljohn1414]

Its time to Torch the Treaty its just for the rich elite mixed race European/Maori, We as a country dont owe anyone a single thing, I myself got a good education (by going to school) then as soon as I left I started work paying my taxes, then when I got married only had children when we could afford it as a result we dont live in poverty. Race has nothing to do with it, it comes down to personal responsibility, simple really.

[@red2775]

Exactly 100% true

[@pita3908]

should move to australia they better

[@raymondlogan7807]

The Platform is a must watch talk back. So informative, just great.

[@gregbooth1551]

Don't agree with all the comments made, but I did find this interview refreshing! Credit to DB for sticking to his beliefs, not easy these days!

[@markcrisp8279]

Completely agree, DB not a person I share political ideology with. His thoughts and breakdown this interview I support. Reading between the lines my thoughts were your either an active part of the community, or your inactive. Side lining people who actively contribute but do not identify as m

[@berniefynn6623]

WE DON WANT karakia ,this is a maori custom, ONLY.

[@harleynuku7902]

It’s a NZ custom that has been used before your ancestors arrived on these shores.

[@berniefynn6623]

@@harleynuku7902 ATRIBAL custom you imposed on those here before you, znOT a national custom

[@berniefynn6623]

They wear a hat in Parliament, protocol dictates that hats be removed,/

[@labellaangora6887]

It's not a prayer , they only call it that to make it sound 'harmless' and familiar, it's an incantation and calling on the ancestors for 'guidance , protection', great for maori but many other faiths do not call on the dead it is forbidden which is why many don't want it in public spaces, unless people are permitted to leave first, but then maori would be 'offended' so keeping it completely secular is the only solution

[@gracefool]

It depends, there are also Christian karakia. But either way shouldn't be imposed on everyone.

[@labellaangora6887]

@@gracefool It wouldn't be Christian if it was a Karakia, that's the whole point, Christians pray to one God not many and definitely not their ancestors, Karakia is not simply the maori word for 'prayer', there is nothing wrong with Karakia in the appropriate settings, that would be where people want to hear it and clearly people don't want it in council meetings

[@StGammon77]

Plain witchcraft which was left behind in favor of Tikanga Christianity

[@francisheperi4180]

I think the Maori word everyone here is scrambling for is ''inoi''...that's what the Catholic Church uses for prayer. Man, the old Church knew how to bless a building... lots of holy water; Latin prayers; incense... was beautiful.

[@TamScott-v4f]

Yes it is Pagan

[@marshallgarrett1593]

Excellent interview well balanced

[@pauls9322]

Luxtons knees will buckle in the slightest breeze, so we have winny & seymore to hold him up.

[@martingray6275]

Racism definition: the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. So does this mean that every time there is a call my one of NZ's cultural ethnicities for special treatment, THEY are being racist?

[@kiwiveritas]

Yes but as you know the left have inverted reality nowdays...man is woman, mild cold is deadly virus etc...

[@Kaboomnz]

The actual definition: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

[@stevehorner8302]

We all live in one country, all this crap needs to be stopped and the reason for it is our wonderful government

[@andrewlim9345]

One possible solution for the Waipara Council karakia dispute would be to allow prayers from all faiths and cultures. If Maori karakia are allowed, I think it is fair that prayers from other cultures also be allowed.

[@StGammon77]

No the commonwealth is Christian and Maori were too along with Chiefs they chose Tikanga Christ and if maori now want to honor the Treaty then get born again

[@gregpember1680]

I don't think Maori would mind at all tbh.

[@gfunk0073]

So labour have swung the pendulum too far left, now it will swing the other way just as far. It must be so disappointing being a labour voter.

[@musicians_with_gunts]

"Mr. Local Iwi rose to speak, raised his taiaha, ruffled his moa feathers and began..." For a full transcript of Mr. Local Iwis speech please write to this address: 7 Ooga booga Rd. Ponse.

[@t.t6191]

A government using the words genetically superior about a particular race is wrong. It's not true. It's offensive and insulting to other races. Asking for a prayer to be removed from government business is not racist, its trying to keep it secular. In saying that, a Karakia is not religious it's cultural. If everyone agrees then imho it can be appropriate for government business in terms of just wishing for good business and a good result type thing. Im going to say this once, to keep saying there's no full blooded left, as a reason, is not a good thing to be repeating, if you do, Maori will feel threatened and it will make it worse. Do you have proof of no full blooded Maori alive? What is that evidence? Because in the mid 90s i had my English teacher say that, whilst my full blooded Maori Koro( grandfather) was at home. I couldn't care what she thought but it shows she was wrong.

[@iansmith9706]

Maori are superior at running, look how the ram raiders get away

[@jeannibarber1799]

I thought they just stole another car

[@iansmith9706]

@@jeannibarber1799 adern told our police force just to watch them leave the scene,

[@marshallgarrett1593]

I’m wondering what the agenda is with the coalition government to change the government department names back to English cheers

[@deanpendigrast7255]

Maori didn't now what clay pot was

[@gregpember1680]

They do know 😆 now aw idknow

[@jontyfernandez5146]

The victim becomes the perpetrator

[@musicians_with_gunts]

'victim'?

[@jontyfernandez5146]

@@musicians_with_gunts yeah

[@musicians_with_gunts]

@@jontyfernandez5146 who, Maori?

[@jontyfernandez5146]

@@musicians_with_gunts there's a lot of writing about the above quote that impacts all people's psychology, it nothing to do with race. Look it up

[@serenasmith26]

Maori are not victims, they have being too spoilt actually!

[@moaripartyareracist1547]

Moari did do alot of running from the police

[@accessaryman]

would labor hold a referendum on the issue of co governance. john key held one on the flag issue, i doubt labor has the balls to hold one , because they already know the outcome of it, this shows the whole population how weak and woke labor is, they are a government voted in by the people working for the people, just an FYI the whole population of new Zealand are the people, not just a select few,

[@Kiwi-pp7rg]

Well I'm a white guy and no Moari athlete has caught up to me chasing me with a knife

[@peterSapper1971]

Just go to any school in New Zealand lately.....

[@lynnedevereux8806]

All through govt agencies as well.

[@tomcoomber3161]

Nice interview.

[@yungnmighty796]

First off a karakia is not a prayer. Inoi is a prayer lol

[@andrewcampbell2903]

Maybe Maori are superior by virtue of their non - Maori ancestry . Just another way of looking at it .

[@Eohippus100]

When Charles Darwin visited the Bay of Islands in 1835 he described the europeans living there as quote "the very refuse of society" (Voyage of the Beagle Ch 18) Since these were the first europeans to mingle with the Maori, the poor statistics of Maori may, at least in part, be due to the standard of these Europeans.

[@andrewcampbell2903]

@@Eohippus100 My comment was tongue in cheek , written to provoke thought . Your comment , regardless of the veracity of Darwin's comment , suggests very little thought on your part .

[@29Ni8]

Don attempted to establish chair board committee for the mongrel mob 😂no lack of trying though

[@berniefynn6623]

NO karakia at council meetings.

[@cthlite]

With these karakias, Who are they praying to? Which God or gods?

[@StGammon77]

These customs and beliefs of maori should be done only on their land they own not anyone else's especially the Govt

[@musicians_with_gunts]

I'm happy to concede that Maori are physically stronger if they concede that Europeans are mentally superior.

[@MichaelWilcox001]

Interesting that you've got a commenter here going by the name Zyclon B - the gas used in na

[@drinkingup2157]

Its rather childish really

[@berniefynn6623]

FOON says a maori consultation group at Waipa is not racist/

[@berniefynn6623]

The human rights Comm. say it is not racist to have a iwi consultation group.

[@StGammon77]

They are only IWI on land they own not crown or private land according to the Treaty. Maori can only be tangata whenua on land they own neither do they have control over other enterprises or business land etc

[@serenasmith26]

Accusing everyone else of racism WHILE being the most racist of all, that's what you get when you let Maori have their way all the time! (Slow clapping).

[@williemrebekahmaclutchie-e7654]

we all 1 people ok,i dont c any martians

[@HannahFittings]

We change our national anthem then Dr Don Brash cuz im sick of signing god defend New Zealand

[@geoffreydawson5430]

I never trust an ex-Doctor that continues to use the medical school tone of voice to gain trust.

[@tonygee3284]

GO Don your ban this rubbish.

[@garys6135]

Does that mean we quash the anthem God defend New Zealand , sounds pretty secular to me .

[@geoffmorgan2794]

Depends on which God you Follow!!!!!

[@samsonmorrell]

A Karakia isn't a Māori Prayer. Karakia is The Māori word for prayer which is spoken in Māori Shaun 😂😂😂 You should know that because it can be easily translated into English 🤦🏿‍♂️😂

[@StGammon77]

Stop changing our sacred prayer language to yours you never had our prayers before leave them in English otherwise meaning is lost just like what's happened with the maori version of the Treaty

[@pita3908]

karakia is a prayer..

[@StGammon77]

It is not a Christian prayer it's witchcraft of their mythological gods

[@StGammon77]

No, maori did not pray!!

[@michaelpatterson8799]

Dont want to lose face. That sounds ccp

[@Bob-zs3ro]

Become an mp a cop join the Army or shut up , from the RNZIR typical armchair generals.

[@dosentmatter982]

Hu brought racism to Aotearoa?

[@normanmacritchie9267]

this legistlation all talk about was start by act like rodger douglus richard prebbe been around sense 1986

[@chrisallum9044]

We are not the USA. NZ is part of the commonwealth under the King with the King under God...Christianity is the religion of the country. Being Christian we accept others regardless of religion. It is not a secular country. Maori religion is the only other that has a real claim to the country as a whole. You don't have to be Christian to be a kiwi but it is a significant part of the foundational culture. I'm an atheist myself. Just FYI

[@michaelverbakel7632]

I have always wondered this about non-believing atheists. Who does an atheist pray to at the end of their lives when they are in the hospital dying from nothing.

[@lilyfuzz1]

the use of maori is bringing our nation together and enhancing our identity

[@StGammon77]

Ahhh no it isn't you lost Mana and respect we don't care about your pigeon English

[@jennyhart4587]

Maybe on your death beds,all of you who feel prayer can be inappropriate,you might see things differently,let’s hope you can resist if you happen to be in a council meeting??!!

[@geotruthnz7013]

I'm centre right conservative and Don Brash is the worst thing that has happened for our side. He & similar types are the reason everyone thinks right wingers are a-holes he is an elite corporate bankster. I do agree though that Maorifying everything in NZ is painful even though I am Maori.

[@dubemccready7438]

Obviously anything Maori, will cause those who may/may not understand that simply a Karakia is just a nice way to bless those at any such meetings, it is a blessing to those in attendance, carrying on the days duties in a blessed way and in safety. Now all of a sudden it is detrimental to all those in attendance or otherwise, I sense it is another excuse to vilify anything Maori, it is not a vicious attack to anyone tho I suggest Don Brash is on the band wagon because it suits his agenda. Go figure

[@peterrhodes5663]

If someone stood up at that meeting and started pushing another religion or belief, that would be equally out of place. It's no different than those annoying Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on peoples doors every month, and pushing their nonsense. If a meeting is nonreligious, then leave all that religious stuff at the door. Simple.

[@johnmartin7158]

Until Mayor Jepson made it into a drama and acting like a spoilt child no one minded the Karakia.

[@NA-sj9jy]

Yes, then have a blessing in English then, and every other nationality on the council...they a blessing. Next thing you know, half an hour is tired up of blessings before the council can get on with what they are meant to be doing. Where does it stop?

[@labellaangora6887]

@@johnmartin7158 They probably did mind but you see what happens if you object, a mob gathering at your door hurling abuse and threats, he has been calm and clear, he even tried to compromise but the 'spoilt children ' outside say it's not good enough, it's all or nothing for them , it's a tactic that has worked for decades, I'm not too sure if Kiwis have the patience for it anymore

[@peterrhodes5663]

@@johnmartin7158 More like tolerated it for fear of being branded a racist, just like important visitors to NZ have to tolerate a bunch of idiots wearing grass skirts, carrying clubs, and poking their tongues out, holding them up, before they can clear the airport. If they arrived in a European airport, and had to endure a bunch of idiots dressed like cave men, they'd laugh at them. What a crappy first impression.

[@dosentmatter982]

So maaori can learn English but English won't learn maori

[@edwardparsons5316]

Always the mono culture bent get as much support as you can makes little or no difference racist certain maybe non secular perhaps but continuing resistance to any Maori ideas or practices we get you its mono culture like you're Tupuna who continue to break and show no respect for Maori nothing changes maybe you're gonna take advantage when it suits you for our / your identity and international recognition Used to be proposed as an egalitarian heaven unless you ever managed to or bothered to put light on it. Yeah/Nah

[@bkeepr4246]

Don, stop using a Maori word to specify a group of citizens of this nation who are not Maori, it's racist and derogatory. It is similar to the now obligatory greeting in Maori by police officiers who then go on to speak with me in normal English. At best it is woke, at worst racist. It tells me that the person will speak to me in English but first they must display what they consider the superior language, so I know my place.

[@dougbulldog9947]

I'm sure there is some Maori science behind this, that will enlighten us all, Like I'm sure we will all be better off if we follow the Maori ways of doing things.

[@gcallananpainting]

We are all Maori in the linguistical sense. Just like we are all tangata whenua.

[@dougbulldog9947]

@@gcallananpaintingyeh common people of the land

[@tasselhoff]

So you ban prayer because they are secular, but you force secularism in its stead?!

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Yes this doesn't bode well for NZ 🤷‍♂️

[@johnmartin7158]

I support the Karakia. Why is Mayor Jepson and Don Brash making a big deal about it. What’s the drama about the Karakia.

[@Cyril_Squirrel]

You support karakia, others don't. That's the big deal.

[@vanessamay3689]

If it is was a prayer in English which stands alongside maori there will be an uprising.

[@andreatodd3095]

It's the time it takes up and that time is meant to be used for council business, the only blessing needed is for the work to be done for the tax/rate payers. Simple.

[@StGammon77]

If you don't know then learn about the foundational faith of this commonwealth Nation, Tikanga Christ with Mana of the Christian Queen and her predecessors forever. Defenders of the Gospel of God's law not the tribal cruelty of the jungle, the Chiefs abandoned that and left a legacy of speeches and principles you should read them.

[@berniefynn6623]

WHO is Brash to say our governance is secular, bloody arrogance, keep secularism out of our governance.

[@berniefynn6623]

@Beau Timberland Far better than secular, look at your world.

[@richardmunford9352]

I don't think anything Don brash said tonite was extreme

[@richardmunford9352]

EVERYTHING THIS MAN SAYS IS TRUE

[@kiriwilliams1084]

In your opy