Everything You Need to Know About the Treaty Principles Bill

[@darrenford8988]

David Seymour for PM..everything he said makes perfect sense.

[@MarketPlaceGuru-l2v]

Most laughable thing said in here. Luxon is doing a decent job.

[@maidaursuladawn44glasgow3]

Not hated by me I am hopeful that we can get this settled. And do not have it used as a knife across our necks for decades because that is how it feels to me get what ever it says set in stone so we can get on with rebuilding our country.

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

It in and of itself is set in stone, but there's hammers and chisels for that, what they're trying to do is rewrite the interpretation they already wrote when they initially paved the way for this mess in the 70s and 80s. They're in effect trying to amend ammendments previously made a few decades ago under the guise it's old, and antiquated, and we need to be progressive- ain't that a trip- the treaty is indeed old- but the ammendments are relatively new all be they worthless in the ICJ. ...btw you can make new treaties, but you can't make amendments to a current one. It's a peace accord not a constitution.

[@iwiterangi5711]

@@myresponsesarelimited7895 The treaty was a peace accord?

[@sunny57jo]

We all had religious books and their tenets handed over to us by our forefathers. Are we following them verbatim? Are we not discarding those , at least some of them, to suit modern times?

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

@@iwiterangi5711 ...pre land war's, post musket war's. That's what stopped the fighting- am I wrong?...

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

@@sunny57jo isn't living in peace still relevant? 😔

[@jdrei5080]

Thank you David for mentioning our other bloodlines. My family is mixed culture and I don't want my ancestors to be totally discounted which is how the argument is sounding.

[@neil3488]

Congratulations David! Your responses to Sean's questions are very well-reasoned and thoughtful. Looking forward to seeing the Bill being debated in parliament and public.

[@brandonhepi282]

Haha I bet you wouldn't turn up and show ur face in public and show ur face.

[@neil3488]

@@brandonhepi282 How much do you want to bet?

[@barrygeary9362]

@brandonhepi282 why not who do u think u are Honi hika bro

[@neil3488]

@@brandonhepi282 Anytime, anyplace - bro.

[@WiremuRanginui]

There is a lot of confusion of what the principles actually are, We need this open conversation.

[@StGammon77]

There are no principles, if we allow it, the radical maoris will have more channels to cry breach!! It's simply a hot racist mess

[@richsmith3300]

Its an excuse for the coalition to open up NewZealand to mining its resouces in partnership with Atlas and the likes. The Maori,and deviding us is just a smokescreen the real prize for this lot is sitting at the trough head first with Rich wealthy corporate business and Seymore is barging his way in,pushing out luxton Jones and who eva else gets in his way. Its all there do your research.☹️

[@Joseph-wo3tr]

David is the only one with any balls to say how it is! Hes brilliant he stands for alot of kiwis think!

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

😂😂😂

[@bernardguynunns5658]

He's certainly not the only one. Winston isn't far from saying the identical same thing.

[@helenberry9082]

@@bernardguynunns5658 Winston is on it for sure

[@roilhead]

​@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1So that's a joke. Let's talk about how useless the last Labour Govt was. Jacinda was throw out by her own Party and her policy that had cost the tax payer hundreds of millions. The joke is Labour but somehow you think a Govt that can deliver is not something that is good for all of NZ.

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

@@roilhead FK are you going on about mate?? Lets talk about?? nobody asked to talk to you?? Fkn Clown..

[@nzmeateater]

Well done David, spitting facts that the leftys dont like, dont want, ,go hard Dave👍👍

[@laelles1313]

I agree, it's nice to see he doesn't let his Down Syndrome hold him back

[@moniquebode1655]

Thats why I voted for NZ First. I like Seymours ideas

[@badchefi]

@@moniquebode1655 If you like Seymour, ACT was the obvious choice. But I do get it - your about as consistent as the little man himself.

[@moniquebode1655]

@@badchefi We live in a democratic country so it's really good that we have freedom of speech

[@badchefi]

@@moniquebode1655 your comment above might be very free, and you can keep commenting away, but it still makes no sense.

[@delinquentinparadise]

TVNZ does not come out of this in any way squeaky clean. It is most certainly time for an enquiry into TVNZ’s supposed neutrality as a broadcaster. And if, as I suspect, they are found to be wanting in that respect there should be a complete investigation as to their financial irresponsibility via a loss of advertising revenue caused by TVNZ content. Financial responsibility being required under the TVNZ Act.

[@pgreen8531]

There is absolutely no neutrally in the mainstream media especially tvnz

[@sunny57jo]

In Singapore, they made a law, ‘If any media writes or airs anything against government, the government has the right to take equal time in the same slot and put forward their side’

[@roilhead]

TVNZ is clearly one eyed socialist. Their rating must have fallen considerably the past few years.

[@barrybillington5185]

I agree 100% and turn TV 1 off as soon as it appears. One side outfit.

[@peterphoenix6471]

yeah i guess colonialism doesnt like its own tactics used against themselves. boohoo bitches lol

[@bigthinker281]

David is a beacon of common sense against a wave of regressive and dangerous racial identity politics that will hold NZ back. Well done David👍

[@pauldansby8285]

100% ARGREED

[@dallynstevens7855]

Honor the treaty, quit shafting Maori..... Aotearoa Land discovered and first settled by Maori, Maori paid a far to high price for it Immigrants came over Treaty was meant to be an sacred covenant for unity and peace but then Maori were betrayed An have been shafted for years Honor the treaty respect the indigenous of this land

[@bigthinker281]

@@dallynstevens7855 Yes i agree. You need to read the treaty. We are one country. One people. What do you think?

[@ReubenCooper]

Clearly you don't read, don't study history, or don't know much. Keep up the ignorant comments 😘🤣

[@dallynstevens7855]

@@bigthinker281 through proper recognition of the Maori and the treaty we move forward there is no free riding without sacred respect toward the efforts made by those who settled on this land first and the covenants formed between two peoples Stop shafting the Maori and honor the treaty

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

Seymour has the guts and spine that our Prime Minister lacks. All the best, serving the majority is the way to a majority, go you good thing you.

[@pauldansby8285]

100% ARGREED EXPIRED MAORI PARTY THEY ARE all Dinosaurs!!

[@dallynstevens7855]

Majority isnt always the best way. Paretos principle clearly evidences that!

[@jamesbroughton7635]

Not so sure about the *Guts and Spine part* Stupidity maybe, as 8% is not the majority and true to form like ACT and like his counterpart Rodney Hyde… I cannot see a very long tenure in politics for him.

[@andriesmaritz2055]

Another good interview Sean, and thanks for working hard and staying independent to inform NZ public with true information !!

[@susanbarlow1585]

Clearly explained. All Kiwis need to hear this.

[@fatbastard70]

There are none so deaf as those who don't want to hear.

[@broniabutler4166]

Well said as usual David Seymour behind you 100%

[@JackJuretich]

Sean and co are the modern media hero’s. Real chat + the truth is what all NZ European want.

[@lindamckenzie6500]

Hear hear!

[@ColleenGray-e7j]

It is called democracy.

[@Medders-k3c]

Excellent David keep it up for our country

[@gordonpotts9642]

David Seymour is right on who are changing the Treaty principles and the majority are not.

[@rodnichols6237]

Majority rule

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@rodnichols6237 society moves forward, in other words.

[@gordonpotts9642]

@@kahouli2496 It depends on if you speak for all NZers.

[@jamesbroughton7635]

2:28 The problem with your statement is that he’s NOT seeking to re-write the treaty because he cant what he’s doing is attempting to re-write the Treaty Principles which are the ideas, phrases and words that are thought to capture the broad sentiments, intentions and goals of the Treaty to allow them to be incorporated into law and applied in practice. In a nutshell, the Treaty Principles are the Treaty’s representative in law. They are the Treatys representative in law as there are 2.documents (the Treaty of Waitangi and Te Tiriti o Waitangi). The Government favours the Treaty as it gives them authority, while Te Tiriti says differently. This is why principles were enacted to breathe life to the favored document, The Treaty of Waitangi. They were developed over 60 years by academics (particularly New Zealand historians), lawyers, judges and other experts employed by the courts or Waitangi Tribunal, alongside Iwi officials and Iwi governing entities, government officials as well as politicians. The principles can be changed, however what Seymour proposes doesn’t even resonate with the spirit let alone the text of the Treaty or Te Tiriti. As most Treaty experts agree that while the 2 treaty documents are somewhat different they both agree that Maori retain right to govern over themselves and their lands. Further to this Te Tiriti o Waitangi (Maori version) is the version recognised in international law, because it’s the version signed by the Chiefs and is one of the reasons why 2:28 was not successful.

[@tjhawe-cm1lg]

None Racist new zealander support maori Act party is Racist

[@communistgreyman2078]

I sincerely hope there is no conflict or civil war however it appears there are elements on the left that are willing to start it. That would certainly be a sad day for New Zealanders and I urge everyone to lawfully push back with logic against this occurring. As a Maori I certainly believe this definition should take place as this issue that certain elites are pushing is starting to divide the country. We are all humans and should be equal under law with no favor based on race.

[@debbielacey6229]

Hello love, 🧡👏 Well said and I agree with you. With love ❤and blessings 🙏to you and your family.

[@massimilianocacciamani7736]

There will be no civil war. Nothing major happened when the government forced untested drugs onto the population. People just didn't have enough fight left after a day's work. What I hope is that our elected electorate sticks up for our rights as humans, and if we need a referendum to make sure that kiwi's are treated equally, then I dont think our politicians are looking after us... Equally.

[@vegaskiwi4255]

Agreed ! Lets get this done for the benefit of the whole country

[@StGammon77]

The left will whip up and incite terror like they always do

[@DEFENDERNZ]

I agree. There are those from both sides, Maori and non-Maori who seem to have personal interests in coming out on top. Be it money or fame, they need to be called out for conflict of interest. The rest of us just want the prosperity and stability this country had before this all blew up.

[@groundchen8810]

Well done David, good on you, go ahead with a referendum finally.

[@SB-Kiwi]

Pffffft

[@LilyRose-f2h]

Thank God for David Seymour, speaking truth and common sense with calmness.

[@JackieAdams-v6d]

Whatever. David Seymour is a hypocritical manipulating liar just to get more votes. No one has the right to change the Treaty wording without consulting Maori. No one.

[@bronwynsearle2117]

Yes, good on you David.. the truth hurts.. too bad..its time it is sorted out 👍

[@nzreggae2534]

The media discuss this as a racial divide. But I think of Rawiri's threats of violence as a sign his Father in law is going to get less public money with this government and isn't happy.

[@moeroahapuku5872]

@@nzreggae2534 you mean like Seymour threatening to blow up govt dept that deals in Pacific affairs? More double standards. OK for Pakeha to promote violence but not minorities. Nothing changes with Pakeha or Act supporters

[@nzreggae2534]

@@moeroahapuku5872 You know very well Rawiri Seymour was referring to reforming wasteful spending of public money. No literal threat of violence, obviously. Rawiri Seymour is of Maori descent.

[@josec.278]

David will become more loved by his voters the more is hated by the radicals. Hold your ground and go on. This endless re-re-interpretation of the treaty to the convenience of a few has to stop somewhere.

[@KINNZ94]

I really appreciate what David is doing.

[@Neondognz]

A fair and sensible approach to the issue of equal rights for all New Zealanders. National needs to support this process.

[@davidyang1565]

❤

[@ronaldwarren1267]

David keep on doing what you do excellent job straight up no bs

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Go David Seymour.You always give a balanced and succinct view.

[@richardwyatt934]

Fully support this. Great work David.

[@brandonhepi282]

Sit behind the keyboard....another supporter who wouldn't show his face in public

[@noelreid1345]

@@brandonhepi282 ?????

[@saxdearing3395]

I'm a citizen of a democratic country but have never had an opportunity to vote on this issue until ACT proposed this bill. Bring it on and encourage everyone in this country of whatever ethnicity to have their say. Equality, Liberty and Fraternity.

[@massimilianocacciamani7736]

I think you meant dictatorship. Untie Jc's favorite.

[@cjkelly5515]

Immigrants

[@rodnichols6237]

@@massimilianocacciamani7736 you are a very special kind of idot 🤣🤣🤣

[@AmbientElectrical]

Lloólp0p⁰0⁰

[@pauldansby8285]

100% ARGREED

[@andrewnoble9199]

Go David, we are with you 100%

[@MsPeaches2you]

Really good interview Sean - thanks very much.

[@nataliewilson2460]

One people, one Nation👌 End of story!

[@davidyang1565]

Fully support David Seymour, well done.

[@alfredbok278]

David is cool, calm, reasonable. I'm glad he's our M P.

[@briansatchell2319]

Gets Better all the time. Very good bloke

[@olliemoose2020]

I hope Act continue with this referendum god knows NZ needs it, and don’t be bullied by a small group of self entitled part Māori radicals that try and use Intimidation tactics to try and get there own way.

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

NZ needs what? Who's the small group?? Hmmmm

[@JG-us9lu]

Maori is a small group

[@valeriehughes1008]

Correct the viciousness of Maori bullying is boundless... you get attacked when trying to post your views on this site. I have been attacked in the very nastiest of fashions and had other good Maori come to my defence. The extremists have no regard for anyone else but themselves and have no care for their fellow Maori... it is all just about and the dollar and how much they will get out of it... they use their fellow Maori while doing nothing for them... all they do is bring hatred down on Maori.

[@rodnichols6237]

@@JG-us9lu keep believing that 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JG-us9lu]

@@rodnichols6237 It True laugh if you like.but censor says your a very small minority. Sense says you have toxic and aggressive culture. Check with the kids.

[@bigthinker281]

Your race, gender, or superficial features do not define you! Your character does!

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

It helps if yer a biG thinker 🤔💛

[@bennichols1113]

Except for legally. Ministers are appointed for exactly those traits. Non maori men are the benchmark and all other groups get a minister. A minister can only be appointed if a group is disadvantaged. So women, children and maori are seen by the government as inferior to non maori men.

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@bennichols1113 you've got it exactly backwards lol

[@bennichols1113]

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr write to the NZHRC and ask. You can't name the mans minister can you?.

[@jamesbroughton7635]

So that means David Seymour’s 2 very small splashes of paternal brown paint makes him an expert on Te Tiriti now? And that his new found *Maori-ness* allows him to use it as a weapon against his own people (as he calls them).

[@realistically-r7g]

And yes we who voted for Act want a referendum.

[@jonturnbull9820]

Its not going to get past NZ first and National dont suport it so nothing will come of it

[@JG-us9lu]

​@@jonturnbull9820Don't count on it

[@helenberry9082]

@@jonturnbull9820 It will get past NZ First, don't know where you get that idea, interested to know?

[@RaewynTairi]

Sorry no referendum

[@jonturnbull9820]

@@helenberry9082 Winston and Shane have both said they won't support it when it goes to select committee and how many times have your heard Luxton say he thinks it's divisive? Do you live under a rock or something. This is Seymour's project nothing else

[@brownee20007]

Yes, let's have a referendum. One nation one people. No one should be treated like first class citizen, we are all New Zealanders

[@SB-Kiwi]

Not gunna happen sorry.

[@lindamckenzie6500]

Hear hear!

[@andymck62]

love the guy hope for our country.go get us sorted mate.

[@fredkelly6953]

Stands to reason why Maori don't want this going through, they'll lose their "special" status because when everybody's special nobody's special. That will be in the spoken rule for sure but over time I think it will be the unwritten as well. They may as well put all their grievances on a shelf because they will become downgraded to irrelevance. The treaty has always been a tough order because on the one hand the government has, will and can never fulfill their obligations and on the other hand Maori have to move on, cut their loses and give up their special status. This bill will force the issue but it's not going to be without a fight.

[@kattybob1749]

Spot on. Maori will lose there special status. They don't want an even playing feild, they want the medal without even trying.

[@mattheweden-pc5pk]

When I was growing up if you were special you were handicap

[@SB-Kiwi]

The bill is a waste of money that doesn't have legs.

[@gracehowe3692]

What special status? When my mother and her relatives were growing up, they were beaten or tortured for speaking te reo.. They have never received an apology from the Crown or compensation for the abuse. The Maori "special status" barred them from entering entertainment areas in the 1950s, securing housing and or jobs. My uncle an ex-war veteran was declined 28 rental properties because of his "special" status. My uncles who fought in WW2 returned from war and got nothing for their service, but their pakeha counterparts got housing, education and jobs. My white looking mother had to listen to her pakeha colleagues' rants about "dirty Maori" and other disgusting racist comment. My boss could not sit next to her white mother at the movie theatre cause Maori sat elsewhere. This is how pakeha justice works for Maori when the land is stolen and sold off to someone else by the thief, they have to make a claim, and wait over 100 years before the claim is heard so they can be compensated or receive their land back. However, according to Pakeha justice for non Maori when property is stolen the thief is prosecuted and the victim gets compensation, or their property returned without having to file any claims. Who has the "special" status? One law for all what a load of crap.

[@dosentmatter982]

Check your dirty history England

[@Digmen1]

Great, we need to back ACT on this. Time get rid of the rascist Waitangi Trinbsunal And all Co Governance that has followed it. Democracy means one vote per person and no special treatment

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

😂😂😂😂 looky looky

[@annetteblack9573]

I see a future of the common person being banned from many free accesses they have now. Welcome to America.

[@roberthooker4970]

Demonacy! Where is the coalition agreement between NZ First and ACT? Were all MPs hear all the discussions that took place about the writing of the coalition documents? This did not occur at stated by an ACT MP then the MPs of each party were not fully informed before they made their confidence vote. So is it that democratic?

[@roberthooker4970]

Can money and how it is used influency an electrol system?

[@zweed69]

@@roberthooker4970 look up the electoral finances act bro, helens legacy, its all part and parcel with this corruption and as far as democracy goes, I hope you were at parliament protesting the single largest breach of democracy in nz history, the jab mandates

[@urbanegorilla6005]

Well I never...two grownups talking about the treaty. How did that happen?

[@antihebrew]

They are White, after all.

[@rogermartin8435]

What no shouting, no interrupting rudely, no bullying, no singing in te reo, no dancing, no attempting to threaten and intimidate That is not the native way and they have rights.

[@antihebrew]

@@rogermartin8435 Eyes popping, leering in a threatening manner or waving their spears and clubs around

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

​@@antihebrew⚡️IMPLY⚡️UPERIOR ✋️💛

[@andreatodd3095]

Interesting,discussion, public service are at fault as well, if they don't stand up and allow due process they are guilty. their opinion does not hold any validity prior to the bill being tabled for discussion, or even after, the select committee has that job.

[@lu-uf8zj]

I'm with David 100% on this.

[@mephistofleece]

Seymour has my support. He has balls to stand up to racism and racist violent bullies. 🙌❤️

[@5150show]

Yep

[@moniquebode1655]

I voted for him because I like his ideas

[@mephistofleece]

Same. Seymour has the kahunas that Luxon is missing so badly @@moniquebode1655

[@natanataare7112]

Kia kaha David so cool and such a calm dude without the theatrics

[@taniajockwer6350]

Seymour is part of Atlas that basically speaks for gas and oil and was behind the propaganda type No campaign in Australia. Follow the money.

[@nzreggae2534]

A couple of weeks after Golriz is exposed as a serial, large scale, high value thief, James Shaw resigns.

[@stevew656]

With James resignation, he will be the last co-leader male for the Greens we will see for sometime.

[@JohanThiart]

It will be interesting to see how JS’s resignation will affect the green vote and the green movement.

[@andrewoh1663]

Conveniently when he's clocked up enough service in Parliament to get the full MPs pension.

[@ducker09]

Jimmy knows who the woman " wingman " is in vidio. Of that common thief from his party. He's jumping before the proverbial hits the fan .

[@ronaldwarren1267]

See Jame shaw you have false certificates it's going to come back to bite your all crooks in that party any way

[@somchais2100]

Seymour for PM. He has a spine and stands for something unlike the current seat warmer.

[@cspace1234nz]

….yeah I don’t see it that way, Luxon is creating the space for both Seymour and Peters to do their work while appearing to be a “seat warmer”, as you suggest. It’s near perfect how this is working out.

[@rangisullivan1591]

How can he be pm Only 8% of mis informed vote for his party of rat bags

[@Allstaris]

Time for a New Zealand Constitution.

[@marknicol4957]

Formally written down. Not the unwritten one we have now

[@Allstaris]

Exactly ​@@marknicol4957

[@johnjones5995]

If you want a constitution i would suggest it's time to get rid of the Crown and become a republic. Get rid of all things that relate us to the Crown and England and start fresh.

[@Allstaris]

@@johnjones5995 👍 Great Idea, Time for the big boy pants.

[@iamnotarobot2378]

​@johnjones5995 If by 'all things that relate us to the Crown' you refer to Treaty of Waitangi then certainly. It needs to be the first thing to go along with the grievance industry built around it.

[@nutellasammich9964]

I am a Samoan from nz and totally understand where David Seymour is coming from. He has very valid points and if nz would just read the bill, it doesn’t change anything of the treaty..

[@Yaawd.Ad47]

Agree with you uso as a fellow Polynesian brother.

[@Mcrauder800]

I'm even more impressed with David Seymour, that's how you deal with the irrational racist left.

[@moniquebode1655]

I think he's the voice of reason in the messed up times we are living in

[@cjkelly5515]

Another immigrant

[@schlookie]

@@cjkelly5515 why don't you go back to Taiwan then.

[@zweed69]

@@cjkelly5515 lmfao look at your pic bro, who ate all the pies 🤣🤣🤣

[@patriciakimber4312]

Thank goodness for David , stay strong and carry on , yours doing brilliantly, all those whingers can change nothing because you are in government with the majority

[@DC-et4ym]

A rational adult conversation. Nice!

[@lindac8237]

Thank you so much Seymour for speaking up for the voiceless. Much appreciate what you’re doing.

[@grantadamson3478]

They have a minimum of four years, I hope, get it all done David.

[@woofwoof9647]

Referendum Now 🎉 🐾🐾

[@miggy8011]

We love you Sir David Seymour.

[@incubism]

Maybe our next PM the way things are going.

[@annettearundel2491]

The National party needs to wake up, and get behind you to get a PUBLIC Referendum from NEW ZEALANDERS on this ongoing Treaty document. New Zealanders are sick to death of hearing about it. GET IT SORTED ONCE AND FOR ALL- Let THE PEOPLE SPEAK! Thank you, David!

[@JohnEBadham]

Have you read clause 4 of the National Party Constitution? Luxon, as Party Leader, is bound by that. And why is NZF also opposed to Act's bill?

[@waynekilgour393]

Judges should not make political rulings

[@sherylwhite2201]

We have to be writing to Luxon to remind him that Act and its ideas were what many NZers voted for. Despite the hysterics we see in the media, a very large number of us would like to the conversation about the Treaty principles to happen, and for either the Bill to be passed or a referendum to take place.

[@barneyboy2008]

8%. Whoopy doo.

[@iansmith9706]

The most honest politician in parliament says it as it is , not afraid to say what he thinks

[@diablojames]

My Whānau and I support David Seymour ... say goodbye to the gravy train racists ...

[@lindamckenzie6500]

Hear hear!

[@MrTumekeKing]

The only gravy train is the rich white guys that influence political agendas.

[@CoreyHale-f7c]

Ahhhhhh just exactly who have been the major benefactors since the treaty was signed? Certainly not the people you're trying to have a dig at

[@MrTumekeKing]

Ahhhh just exactly the answer from someone with the head in the sand. 😂.

[@MrTumekeKing]

Ahhhh just exactly the answer from someone with the head in the sand. 😂.

[@lydiascl]

These days if people call you a racist, it usually means they have no other argument to make.. 🤔

[@brent3855]

Interesting comment. There are people all over this channel calling Maori racists. Read into that what you will.

[@andrewlim9345]

Thanks for hosting David Seymour.

[@KINNZ94]

Christopher Luxon needs to see all these positive comments and do the right thing to support David. Don’t be a coward Christopher!

[@paulmeersa7162]

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[@ewanmiller9487]

Why is the Littlewood Treaty never part of any discussion? After all it is the most relevant copy of the English text which reflects precisely the Maori version?

[@Digmen1]

No, Busby wrote the draft, the Williams's translated it into maori, They all signed it and it became Te Titiring O Waitiangi They lost Busby's draft but it had been sent to America, and now they have found it in the Littlewoods drawer,

[@ewanmiller9487]

@@Digmen1 Yes, Busby wrote the last version of the English Treaty text, the Littlewood” Treaty, and Williams had translated into theMaori version. The exact same (the Littlewood version) had been sent to the USA. As the “Littlewood Treaty” is now in the possession of the NZ Government it should be easy to compare it with the copy in YS possession to verify its authenticity.

[@StGammon77]

Precisely the elephant in the room

[@housesofmyhome]

Oh so we suddenly have a draft copy that’s appeared out of no where that speaks for Maori? Let’s not take it for face value. Let’s find out more about this document, why was it hidden away or how they say “lost”?

[@Digmen1]

That draft copy is what the maori text was translated from. It did get lost, but copies were sent to the USA via Clendon and Wilkes and have been in US libraries ever since. The Original draft by Busby was found in Pukekoe by the Littlewood family, but the discovery was buried by the politicians of the time

[@Antares2358]

What David is calling for is reasonable. Unfortunately, it was probably never get a fair hearing thanks to the woke media, TVNZ, TV3, and RNZ.

[@lindamckenzie6500]

The woke media need to be removed...wt the hell are the supporting...down with the media

[@lindamckenzie6500]

Well said David.....great now you are associate minister of Justice...Thank goodness for strong amazing Politicians like David Seymour...We are right behind you....we NZers are all equal ....we do not want anymore Maori superiority...and privilege ....

[@hugovanstratum7975]

@@lindamckenzie6500 Māori have been cheated, robbed and killed for 140 years so pakeha could get their land and you are calling their behaviour as acting superior.

[@Bryn-hc8fc]

Maori werent environmentalists like they pretend to be..just look at how many kiwi skins they used in their cloaks,wiped out the moa..and take a look at the fishing quoter and the overseas boats they charter that are using slave labour right now..hypocricy at its finest

[@olliemoose2020]

And don’t forget the over taking of fish stocks and under size shell fish today,you only have to watch coast watch to see what group of people are mostly responsible for this.

[@iamnotarobot2378]

You failed to mention their reluctance to abandon slavery even though slavery had been abolished throughout the British Empire prior to the 1840 treaty.

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

🤯🤯🤯 😂😂😂

[@Bryn-hc8fc]

@@iamnotarobot2378 i also forgot to mention they would eat each other and shrink heads. And could go on but its seems all that is swept under the carpet.

[@schlookie]

@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1 its all true bro.

[@denyswoodroffe490]

When it comes to some people that will not be working will be out to make trouble, as they only think of them selfs. They fair losing some of their many freebies/ handouts. They want everything in life given to them, without any working for it like the rest of us. No pride/Marner. We all need to work equally and pull our weight in earning an honest living. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

[@iamnotarobot2378]

You nailed it denys. 'Everything good that has happened to me is down to me and everything bad in my life is somebody else's fault and society's responsibility to fix' It's the mantra of the left wing victimhood industry.

[@eileencoulter6263]

Under adern,greens everything was free,I agree the gravy train has to stop,the country cannot afford this blackmail anymore

[@hugovanstratum7975]

@denyswoodroffe490, When you have your cultural traditions, authority, land, rights and language taken from you you would not be in a very healthy state to pull weights.

[@annemackay-ib4gy]

Rawiti and his mate from tvnz should be held accountable for leaking anything cos it was done to make mischief and cause trouble. I mean neither get paid for this crap, rawiti should be gone from parliment end of. So far as tvnz goes, get rid of them.

[@JohnSmith-fp8il]

Why can't we have a PM who makes decisions based on what he believes is right rather than public opinion. Luxon is looking like just another another weakling PM. He'd end up getting more respect and more votes if he showed himself to be a man of courage and principle.

[@dash-kt7uf]

Mate, I don’t generally disagree but give a guy a chance to prove himself before concluding like that - it is not fair

[@elnod]

Thank you for having the courage to speak for the silent majority, David. Kiwis hailing from all reaches of the world appreciate your steadfast efforts to fix New Zealand's struggling institutions and economy.

[@user-vt9jl5pk9e]

Silent majority? Really, hahahahaha.

[@tokoloshi214]

One law for all.

[@karentorkar8256]

Great interview. Thank you, guys. David predicted Shaw's retirement last Sunday.

[@Gumpmachine1]

They reason they’re screaming “racism” is because they damn well the result if this subject is allowed to be decided on by the general public.

[@dash-kt7uf]

What’s that? For people to be treated equally regardless of their race.

[@lindamckenzie6500]

That's how it is...

[@Gumpmachine1]

@@dash-kt7uf exactly, equal treatment isn’t good enough for some

[@hugovanstratum7975]

If you were differently abled you would not expect to be treated equally would you?

[@Gumpmachine1]

@@hugovanstratum7975 we should at least strive to view everyone equally under the law. Whether this actually manifests in reality is a different discussion mainly because the government can’t control how everyone thinks

[@tim2muntu954]

"The chiefs of the Confederation and all the chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land." Article 1. This is unclear how?

[@hugovanstratum7975]

Since when has the Queen run the Government. They have been a figurehead for a long time. Victoria was a symbol of law and order that the English immigrant's wanted. They needed laws in NZ to control the trouble makers sailors and sealers.

[@BaileyMasters-ud8qx]

Because article 1 of the Māori text doesn't say sovereignty it says kāwanatanga (governance). And then in article 2 it says Māori will retain tino rangatiratanga (absolute authority).

[@tim2muntu954]

So the Crown walks away from Article 1 of the Treaty with the idea they have "absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty", while the Maori Confederation walks away with the idea of "kāwanatanga (governance)"; and in article 2 the Crown understands the Maori Confederation retains "full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess", while the Maori Confederation believes they retain " tino rangatiratanga (absolute authority)"?

[@BaileyMasters-ud8qx]

That's an excellent summation. If you put yourself in the shoes of Māori leaders, it seems very unlikely that they would have signed away their ability to rule over their lands and people to a foreign power. No-one would do that. It makes a lot more sense that they were allowing the english to establish a government to help control the increasing number of European settlers.

[@BaileyMasters-ud8qx]

If you read the treaty like this the following few decades make sense. Until the NZ Wars, English law had very little power beyond the boundaries of European settlements.

[@deborahthoresen2860]

Elizebeth Rata is another well researched academic proponent of getting the principals examined and debated.

[@kenking3188]

Keep going David. Your view will save nz from apartheid and a future of mediocrity e.g. south africa! We have been suffering accelarating mediocrity for decades lead by labour governments but not sufficiently reversed by national in this time. If we continue as 2 more peoples it is time nonmaori charged for free gifts given by non maori collectively to maori. This is virtually trillions of technological gifts not available to maori until colonisation and the subsequent opening to the outside world. Maori didn't even have the wheel!

[@taniajonathan1019]

Cuddoos David for standing, that means alot, not sure I agree but appreciate the mana

[@kingfillins4117]

It’s more than 10% in question. An online UNRWA group was caught out spreading racism and support for Hamas. Somone shared a contact list in the group, with their names.

[@gosekinz]

Step 1 remove the Maori seats

[@morgybudd7394]

Fuck thats original

[@gosekinz]

thanks I thought of it on the dunny @@morgybudd7394 😉

[@hugovanstratum7975]

@gosekinz Hey it was Moāri who gave you Parliament.

[@schlookie]

@@hugovanstratum7975 huh?

[@housesofmyhome]

If Maori seats go, then all immigrants must leave and return the land

[@danielthomas8507]

Rip up the treaty.....

[@pnireaha6019]

Great effort David ... keep it up. Maybe have some of your colleagues of maori heritage do some fronting as well.

[@christinerobin386]

Equal human rights fir all NZ citizens tick Meritocracy bring it on better for everyone

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

Meritocracy is a scam, think it through 🤷‍♂️

[@roilhead]

One country, one people, one vote each!

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

WRONG HAHAHAHA 1people what people?? nz Chinese nz tonga nz Indians??? You stay with them.. were good over here hahaha

[@roilhead]

@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1 So you want to discriminate against people by race is that what you want. FYI my three kids are 1/4 Indian are you going to allow them to be Kiwis?

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

@@roilhead get this clear your a new Zealander so are your 1/4 Indian kids.. I'm maori.. maramataka you get it Kerry.. I don't care about you or your Indian kids yous are kiwis I'm MAORI are you understanding yet??? It's not discrimination it's facts you can call it what you want 🙂 but dont get upset with the truth I know it hurts but wrap your head around it 😂

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

@@roilhead like i said stay there with them. Kerry the kiwi Hahaha With 25% Indian kids hahahaha.. WE BE MAORI BEFORE WE BE KIWI.. example my children are polish maori so your point is flightless like a KIWI

[@UPTHEWAHSDAY1]

If you had not commented on my comment you wouldn't have to justify yourself and then finally realise that maori don't consider themselves flightless birds e.g. KIWI 🤣🤣🤣🤣.. well leave that to you lot we good over here, im sure your aware maori are going through an awakening and it ain't looking good for you. Educate yourself or just stay there and watch this space..

[@poncholarpez6233]

The issues around the treaty need to be resolved around what it meant when it was signed, otherwise it'll never be accepted.

[@grantturnpenny200]

Good interview!

[@dash-kt7uf]

Māori are the racists in this country Shame on you media for portraying otherwise Go David!

[@StGammon77]

Very openly racist yes they most surely are!

[@lindamckenzie6500]

I'm inclined to agree!

[@housesofmyhome]

You guys are likely living on stolen land! The absolute audacity!!!

[@AFonua-sk2im]

Agree

[@kpfashkpfash]

no sorry , weve delt with you lot far too long an you dont like it when a maori speaks , its a white washed view

[@RRTNZ]

Whether this Bill is good or bad, it needs to go before Parliament - that's how the law should be made and also unmade. If we can't have the debate, we are lost

[@mattheweden-pc5pk]

Just follow the money and you’ll see who are up in arms about what David is saying The gravy train has left the station 😭😭😭

[@panoramapete5758]

Go David.

[@crazyworld7115]

Has all the money & benefits that the Maori have received on the back of all tax payers of all ethnicity been productive? Maori are 17.3% of the population but are 52% of the prison population, 36% are on welfare, 40.9% violent crime are Maori males. Maybe what has been done is not working and a change Maybe beneficial.

[@JithraiWeerasinghe]

Interesting discussion

[@crazykiwican]

80% of the country think he is a hero. Finally someone putting the Maori bs to bed. If Maori want a revolution so be it. They have time to protest while the rest of us have to wrk.

[@SB-Kiwi]

Hey I work!

[@crazykiwican]

@@SB-Kiwi that is great as we all should be responsible for making Nz a better place. However when we look at the unemployed, dole registers. Certain nationalities have a much higher rate of abusing the dole,etc. thank you for being a good responsible person .

[@BurgerBoyda3rd]

Oh man. Watching this one week after the hikoi. What a storm you created David. Keep going mate

[@andrewoh1663]

Remember David: The flak is always heaviest over the target ;-) They're afraid of having this discussion, which is why they're 'cry bullying'.

[@teharipumautonu]

Who is "they"? No one is afraid.

[@andrewoh1663]

the radicals- they're crapping themselves that they'll be exposed.@@teharipumautonu

[@jameskjx]

@@teharipumautonu Oh I dunno. lots of whites are afraid - and with good reason. If ACT wanted a discussion then they could have a policy for a "discussion" like Matike Mai - hui / meetings all around the country, or even a citizens assembly like in Ireland. but ACT don't want a discussion: they just want to abolish Māori qua Māori, and are willing to destroy NZ's constitutional framework to do so.

[@nikj52]

After watching the behavior at Waitangi today I hope we do get a referendum on the principles . The trouble makers there today were shocking

[@StGammon77]

Very disturbing our Govt should not attend and make NZ Day great again, ditch the maori names theyre out the gate

[@caseyhalliday9903]

Go act 👍

[@DorothyGibbs-x1n]

David you’re a star! honest as the day is long 👏

[@stevenW7294]

@23.00 min: "Pizza Gate for hippies" 😂😂😂 almost fell off my lawnmower with that one.

[@FrankAhKuoi]

Good on you David stay strong 💪 keep it up 👍

[@dash-kt7uf]

Our best politician along with Winston!

[@SB-Kiwi]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@irahdrake1910]

Seymour sees more ,we support him .

[@kpfashkpfash]

deluded

[@paton57]

National is woke

[@mattyallen3396]

Looking that way