Can We Cure 'Compleated' Planeswalkers?!? | Magic: The Gathering Lore

Tamiyo was the first planeswalker to be compleated by the Phyrexians in their war against the multiverse. Tamiyo will not be the last. As we watch characters fall to Elesh Norn, is there any hope in saving them? Can we un-twist their wills? Is there a cure to Phyrexia?
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[@AetherHub]

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[@dwaynebrice1697]

I think we will see nikol bolas compleat. He may have cured himself of an inferior form of compleation. Tezzeret, Ashiok and Tybalt I belive are still on the dark gatewatch. I think for their own reasons they will kill Elesh Norn and help nikol bolas become the king Compleat. Tybalt retrieved the God essence to help the phyrexians, Tezzeret is helping Urabrask take down the phyrexians from the outside so eventually he can use his portal tech and the phyrexians unknown portal tech (they one they used to go to Kaldhiem) to break Nikol Bolas out of jail. But Ashiok is our inside man when and how he contacted the dark Gatewatch I don't know maybe he is fulfilling that stereotype of wanting to join the team because he really wants to enjoy the world Nikol Bolas would have brought. Do you honestly think he didn't see everything in Elspeth's thoughts? It's all about timing, I don't think the elder dragon planned on being defeated by the gatewatch BUT he always has a back up plan.

[@jozzyalthefool9273]

What about halo?

[@Tracer_Sweat]

Comp-lee-ation over com-pleation , sounds cooler :3

[@jozzyalthefool9273]

@@Tracer_Sweat may sound cooler, but is also the incorrect way of saying it

[@Tracer_Sweat]

@@jozzyalthefool9273 what's the point in spelling it different if you don't pronounce it different? Like is part of the lore that Phyrexia just has horrible semtax? Bad Grammar? Jin finished a project and spelt it that way and by the time Elesh pointed it out he was like "no fk you thats the way i spelt it on purpose..."

[@hobokoala2623]

Imagine the Gatewatch coming To Nicol Bolas and he gets to do his best Hannibal Lector impression. “Well, Jace. Have the lambs stopped screaming?”

[@AetherHub]

That would be a fun scene no doubt haha

[@danielbretado7660]

I...kind of want to see this now.

[@patrickcoleman6429]

Jace has achieved perfection in the light of Elish Norn. All will be one.

[@fafs67]

@@patrickcoleman6429 Fuck Hellish Corn! ALL WILL BE BURNED!!!

[@fafs67]

I so want Liliana or whatever remains of the Gatewatch to pay a visit to Ugin and request an audience with Lord Bolas 😌 If that doesn't pan out, then there's still Emrakul and her brethren

[@michaelmorgan2111]

Why would you want to cure perfection?

[@refundreplay]

being a not-diseased cultist can do that to an organism.

[@justinhelsper3072]

How could you want to cure perfection?

[@benpearson49]

All will be one.

[@refundreplay]

@@justinhelsper3072 is that a trans joke?

[@justinhelsper3072]

@@refundreplay Not intentionally, nor had I even thought it that way. Just a play on who what where when why, how.

[@norfemignissius4936]

First : I want to say I'm mentally and physically suffering each time I'm reminded of Tamiyo's fate. Second, let's explore options : - Tezzeret : I feel like he understand he may have gone too far, when he saw Tamiyo being compleated. It caused a profound unease to him, which he discarded, but it's a seed for betraying the Phyrexians. - The Sap of the World tree (Kaldheim) : I know, it's something the phyrexians acquired to perfect themselves. So it'll appear again, probably in a "bad" way, making Phyrexians stronger. Nevertheless, there have been instances of an enemy weapon being turned against himself. The Helvault sealing Avacyn. The Immortal sun trapping both Bolas and his preys. The Eternals, who ended up harvesting Bolas himself. - Urabrask : He is a wild card. I would not be able to tell what could happen if he interracts with a compleated planewalker such as Tamiyo, + you need to consider the "hive mind" part of phyrexians. - Halo : I can't say anything yet haven't read New Capenna's story yet. But I expect buddy Urabrask to take some with him, or maybe Elspeth (since she carry some in her blade). - Mind magic : Ashiok has recently proven that Phyrexians aren't immune to mind manipulation. While we have yet to see any lasting effect, I can say at 90% certainty that Elesh Norn will wish NOT to compleat Elspeth, but KILL her, because of that experience. Thus come the question : if the mind of a compleated one can be reached, can you make it's former self surface ? I expect Jace Beleren to try. And fail because it's Jace, but we'll learn. - Tamiyo's 3 scrolls : Another wild card, or 3 cards to be exact. We have yet to know the effect of any of them, and why she promised never to use them. The use on Innistrad doesn't count because of Emrakul rewriting it. Let's talk about her/it too. - Emrakul & Tamiyo : While it would be a BIG move to free Emrakul and bring her to new phyrexia, it's not necessary for us to feel her lasting influence. Emrakul has reached to the very core of Tamiyo's being in the past, taking full controll of her mind and body once. The shock left Tamiyo vastly affected for a long time, and may have never passed. A very thin possibility, but I felt like it would be interresting to be reminded that the Phyrexians are not the only "corruptor" in the multiverse. Any thoughts about all this Mr Aether Hub ?

[@AetherHub]

Whoa loads of amazing points here. I tip my hat to you! One thing I’d add to the Tamiyo bit (and you went into it a bit actually) is that I feel people are hung up in her connection to Emrakul more than these forbidden scrolls. Emrakul possessed her but that’s all and there is not indication there’s a continued link. I believe Jace is more connected just from being inside Emrakuls mind. The scrolls though. We don’t know their origins or purposes (outside of one super powering her magic to seal Emrakul away). Now under the Phyrexians she’ll use them at the drop of a hat, which is way scarier and more plausible than Emrakul showing up.

[@norfemignissius4936]

@@AetherHub keep your hat, I'm just a crazed reader, you're the one sharing this kind of thing worldwide ^^. And yeah probably no Emrakul before a long time... At least the one fragment sealed inside the moon hehehehe. No telling about a new Eldrazi titan.

[@dakotapoole4293]

I really thought Ashiok was going to join the phyrexians. But now they are being antagonistic twords Norn. I wonder how the Preators would go about completing a being made of shadow. And what kind of weapon they would be once Pyrexianized🤔

[@death66663]

@@norfemignissius4936 if I'm not mistaken Emmy sealed herself in the moon could she not just unseal herself?

[@norfemignissius4936]

​@@death66663 Probably not by herself. And since Sorin is going to be like "You touch Innistrad moon I'll drink every last drop of your blood and scatter your ashes to the wind", I don't expect it to be easy. I do have a wild idea about using a Planar Bridge under steroïds to catch the moon and throw it on another plane while Sorin drop his glass wondering "What the fuck ?". But realistic POV : No Emrakul for a few years.

[@DylanKurbel]

I’m guessing Tezzeret or Karn eventually sacrifices themself to save Tamiyo. Returned, she better understands what Emrakul had planned, and frees Emrakul from Innistrad to destroy Phyrexia. Emrakul may have known this future. We find out the spread of Phyrexia is actually the reason Eldrazi are wreaking havoc on the multiverse - the only cure for the Phyrexian disease is annihilation of the planes they’ve infected.

[@fafs67]

This! I've been saying this for months!!!

[@jeffbrownstain]

Yup

[@jamescampbell2353]

I don’t think Tezzeret is in a self sacrifice sort of character. In “A man of parts” he not only got his dark steel body as promised, escaped new Phyrexia and recovered his maps of Infinite Consortium that Jace purged from his memory. He’s going to put together his own organization to deal damage to the Victor of the phyrexian war

[@ThePhyrexian]

There is nothing to cure... She's perfect, she's compleated, all will be one!

[@togaprentice9927]

I gif chills reading this

[@jacob4920]

This feels like the tag-line for the "People's Republic of Phyrexia."

[@fafs67]

All will be burned*

[@gabrielstafford5174]

I have a feeling Karn will die after the New Phyrexia arc to reverse Tamiyo's compleation.

[@AetherHub]

A soul for a soul. Paying off his debt from Venser.

[@jeffreypeterson2]

that would be a poetic way to save her

[@goncaloferreira6429]

@@AetherHub but not to venser so, what is the point?

[@arkturusgrey2464]

I think the cure is going to be Halo. It perfectly parallels the Glistening Oil and will likely be administered to plot-centric Walkers to restore them. Others, like Tibalt and maybe even Ob Nixilis, will probably refuse and keep their newfound "power."

[@jacob4920]

Still gotta save Tamiyo and Ajani, though. Especially Ajani. Elspeth would be devastated having to kill him, after all those two have been through together.

[@simonvlaar4402]

Melira

[@johnozzmond9728]

@@simonvlaar4402 Melira only cured Karn by sacrificing Venser. So she's not a viable method unless we want to sacrifice half the planeswalkers to save the other half

[@sailordaigurren8225]

I hadn't realized that Tezzeret was inoculated against compleation. I guess that explains why Elesh Norn hasn't now done it to him

[@benpearson49]

Yet.

[@dumbbass8867]

That, and also the fact that compleating him, at least before tamiyo, wouldve destroyed his spard

[@sailordaigurren8225]

@@dumbbass8867 I mean, I would've expected them to compleat him as soon as they had successfully compleated Tamiyo.

[@dumbbass8867]

@@sailordaigurren8225 fair enough

[@theone9132]

The inoculation doesn't prevent it, it only slows the process

[@opinionofmine3238]

Ah yes, Bolas planned for everything, except apparently Lilliana betraying him, something she seems to do pretty frequently.

[@Big_Sierra]

He planned for that as well, however not for her to survive (that was Gideon’s doing), or for Ugin to have been alive to help see the plan through. Remember Lilly didn’t actually kill Bolas, that part was an illusion.

[@dementiamaster2]

Well he knew Lilana for a long time. Before she met the gatewatch she would have never sacrificed herself for someone else. That was what he was counting on. The Contract that would kill her, if she betrays him. It is more a flaw in liliana's character, that she suddenly became altruistic. also if gideon didn't keep her alive, she would have died, before she could turn the god eternals against him.

[@Big_Sierra]

@@dementiamaster2 Honestly after that happened, I thought Lili might get an Orzhov colored card. XD Imagine that

[@opinionofmine3238]

@@Big_Sierra I don't recall anything about an illusion... however, I do think the "he didn't plan for her to stay alive" part is a good excuse. He got hundreds of random planeswalkers the odds that one of them would be able to break curses or contracts was at the very least worth thinking about.

[@opinionofmine3238]

@@dementiamaster2 Even if that was the more likely option, she could have wanted to kill him just out of sheer hatred. Also considering the random planeswalkers called into the plane the odds at least one of them could have done something about her contract was high enough to be worth considering.

[@mauriciovillegas7285]

I don't think we can "cure" planeswalkers, but deep within every phyrexian there are their memories and real personalities locked away either "sleeping" or "watching everything, but unable to act". I think this will end with every phyrexian getting control over their bodies and from there to each their own: some will suicide, others will live on to atone, others will *want* to keep on compleating everyone else.

[@James11111]

I mean since Faerun is officially connected to the Blind Eternities now, just lure Tamiyo there and get someone to cast Wish to turn her back.

[@bennygairns2235]

I don't think it'll be that easy, considering how durable phyrexia as a whole is. Sure Tamiyo could be "cured" of the ichor, but we have to remember that the reality chip was used to compleat her. Who knows how much more durable the infection is because of it.

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

It’s magic of course there is… oh they might recreate Gideon in new phyrexia

[@AetherHub]

Robo Gids

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

@@AetherHub it’d makes sense they recreate “the greatest walker known” unless the manage to pin down bolas and water board him with oil or norn jams her arm down his throat

[@AetherHub]

@@DragonspineInfiniteZero thats a... rough image to swallow.

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

@@AetherHub Which part the oil boarding or the jamming her fist down his throat

[@jazybomber]

@@AetherHub that would be comedic

[@dragonbear2004]

Perfection has arrived, why fight what has been foretold be the mother of machines

[@AetherHub]

Hey I’m all for compleation. But let’s give the fleshlings some hope ;)

[@jazybomber]

They deny our blessing, but our blessing can not be stopped. We must spread phyrexian magnificence to other planes.

[@duckhuntdynasty6562]

I am watching this after.....Dominaria and Ajani. I am clinging on to any hope I have. Tamiyo made me unsettled. Dominaria's story makes me feel hopeless. This trailer, new lore, and what they did to Ajani.....makes me sick. I have loved Ajani for about 10 years when I started playing. This news really hit me hard. I always interpreted phyrexian oil as a disease. So recently....my mom was diagnosed with cancer. Not only that, she has had rheumatoid arthritis since I was born, complicating things. Due to the pain, she is not the same mom I grew up with. This card kind of reflects this, a character I know and love getting infected....this was the icing on the poop cake. Oh yeah also going through a breakup.....I just......on a personal level this sucks they ruined my favorite character. It also adds to the hopelessness I feel with my mom. I know I am shouting in the void for this...but maybe.... #saveajani . And what is the worst I feel pathetic for caring so much about a fictional character. I should not be so attached but gosh I feel hopeless, discouraged even. I really kinda....don't want to engage with my favorite card game anymore. I need something to cling to after my comfort character has changed this way.

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

I know Phyrexis is based of technology and machinery... But, just as an option (aside from the great ones pointed in this video)...., remember that Garruk was cursed by the veil, yet Somehow, out of nowhere, was Cured in the events of Eldraine due to th cauldron..., it is still an impure infection, could that be another possibility???

[@AetherHub]

That’s a great possibility. Though that whole event was sort of… weird.

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

@@AetherHub yes... not a good story nor meaningful/satisfaction to Garruk's story in general... But, the Cauldron could very well be another source/possibility to purify a Completed planswalker

[@AetherHub]

@@JaimeAGB-pt4xl possibly! we would need to find it first... and i think it just magically appears to those worthy? Something like that

[@Morte_n]

Garruk died and got resurrected, so I suppose the curse "died"with him which explains his cure. Phyresis isn't a curse but more like a alteration of oneself. More akin to brainwashing and body modification.

[@VinnieKielbasa]

It's also worth noting that one of the recent short stories from Dominaria United mentions Glok/Squee's Toy as a possible cure for phyresis. It managed to de-phyrexianize Squee. It could possibly be key to restoring Tamiyo.

[@alucard8433]

Or Ajani.

[@RaulGarcia-je8uv]

As a phyrexian, I find the term "cure" offensive, XD. It's more tolerant to use the term "uncompleation".

[@AetherHub]

Oh how rude of me 😉

[@pelusoft]

I loled 😆

[@jazybomber]

We hope that our phyrexian magnificence can not be reversed. Glory to phyrexia.

[@jeremyobriant7266]

I think it would be poetic for Tamiyo to regain her independence and betray the Phyrexians, sacrificing herself to assist in their downfall. Hopefully, unlike Eldrazi and so many other things, the Phyrexians chapter comes to a close. So much within fantasy/science fiction just keeps going because death is rarely permanent but I do think it would great to have an enemy defeated entirely without Elesh Norn, et. al. later returning. That's not to say that someone couldn't later uncover something related to Phyrexians, unleashing some further evil upon the world, but let Elesh Norn and the other praetors end.

[@robbyjones9813]

I agree. The endings are not as satisfactory as they once were. Especially when they are dragged out. Unfortunately Karns trip around the multiverse before he realized he was leaking the oil allows the possibility of Phrexia rising again else where.

[@21Xenosis]

I'm pretty sure the reason Melira couldn't fix Karns heart is because his heart was literally a heart stone from a phyrexian. There was nothing to fix because it wasn't corrupted, it always was phyrexian.

[@MetalWolfKaiju]

Honestly I hope their isn’t. The Phyrexians are the most powerful and feared force in the multiverse, they should feel like an unstoppable machine. Just having a cure for completion undermines the entire tension and dread that they bring. It would feel like a massive cop out to not actually have really sacrificed anything significant.

[@AetherHub]

I agree. Sometimes a death or a loss should just remain a loss. It’s a much more driving force that way

[@jazybomber]

Yeah I don't like the idea of curing phyrexis. I hope they can't cure it, I hope they stop phyrexia but a great loss

[@opinionofmine3238]

Honestly, this is very much how I felt about Bolas, and then he went out like that.

[@dakotapoole4293]

Like war of the spark.

[@LadyTsunade777]

@@AetherHub If even Urza and the Nine Titans, as all-powerful Old Walkers, couldn't cure phyresis, then the Jacetice League of neo-Walkers most certainly should never be able to.

[@tallyesinwilson7628]

I think if you can un-compleat someone it entirely devalues the threat of Phyresis. The Phyrexians lose a great deal of their fear factor if you can undo compleation because you just take them to a doctor and bam no more Phyrexian. It also calls into question why Urza wouldn't have tried something like this before the Mending.

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

Also if subzero can come back in human form from being a cyborg I doubt that anyone in Magic the gathering couldn’t do it to

[@AetherHub]

Lawl you right.

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

@@AetherHub not only was he reconstructed or transmuted back but it was while he was still conscious and he got up like it was nothing

[@pedrofigueredo3355]

8 months ago it was "in the hope we can bring tamiyo back" now its "in the hope we can bring Tamiyo, Jace, Vraska, Nahiri, Nissa, Lukka...." so sad tbh :(

[@AjaniGoldmaneFFXIV]

I feel like there needs to be some way to either fully reverse or mostly reverse the phyrexianized process, to many people would be upset of there favorite planeswalker being completed.

[@AetherHub]

I think that may be a good thing. For a story to emotionally register and be remembered, sometimes loss is needed

[@Greenman-io7pr]

@@AetherHub same, I honestly want it to a point of "No, they don't get fixed from compleation" or... at least not physically maybe. If Tamiyo/Ajani would just stay with their compleated look now that'd be so sweet imo. Even if they go anti-phyrexia for some reason, it would still serve as a reminder of what happened.

[@trevorkroon2163]

Part of me thinks that an upcoming set in the future will be some sort of massive Endgame level crossover as a war between Planeswalkers and Praetors, and I believe Tezzeret is going to be the big bad of the war, our new Nicol Bolas. We know Kasmina is scouring the planes, searching for sparks and training planeswalkers across the realms to build an army to defend against another massive threat even stronger than anything seen before in lore, which is part of the reason she went to Arcavios to train Rowan and Will. After the war on Phyrexia, Vorinclex, Jin-Gitaxias, and Urabrask all left the plane. Sheoldred is missing and its unclear if she survived. Vorinclex went to Kaldheim when a planar portal opened in front of him. On Kaldheim, he compleated countless people and animals, and got help from Tibalt. He nearly killed the goddes Esika and stole a sample of tyrite, which makes the gods of Kaldheim stronger, and live longer, and is seen turning creatures into gods on the card Tyrite Sanctum. After gathering the tyrite, another portal opened, and sent Vorinclex back to Phyrexia. We're never told directly who made these portals, but its likely Tezzeret as he worked closely with the praetors and is considered an ally. Jin-Gitaxias traveled to Kamigawa with Tezzeret shortly after, where they researched compleating planeswalkers. Compleation is a process that makes the creature more powerful, as it replaces flesh and other organic parts with machinery. Tezzeret already has replaced part of his flesh with this sort of technology very similar to compleation. On Kamigawa, Jin-Gitaxias discovered how to compleat a planeswalker without destroying their spark by doing it on Tamiyo, but then The Wanderer cuts the praetor in half. Tezzeret takes Jin-Gitaxias's corpse back to Phyrexia where he is revived. Urabrask then was sent to New Capenna by Tezzeret, saying he was going to double-cross Elesh Norn. In Capenna, Urabrask meets and befriends Vivien and Elspeth, then steals the halo, which we know is a powerful source of mana. What better tool to use in a war than what is essentially a portable nuclear-power plant? Tezzeret also started out as a mono-blue planeswalker, but has also seen blue-black reprints. Black is the color of sacrifice for power, and although his most recent printing is still mono-blue, I think the search for compleation of a planeswalker is very much in line with black's ideals. With the three things gathered so far, one character who uses them all at once would be insanely powerful. Tezzeret has also been playing both sides of the Phyrexia/Mirrodin conflict. He is working closely with Elesh Norn, helping send two of her allies to other planes, but also told Urabrask he plans to betray her in order to get on his good side. My prediction is this: In one of the upcoming sets, we're going to see Sheoldred arrive on a new plane. Whether a planeswalker is explicitly named or not, I believe it will be Tezzeret who does this. On whatever plane this is, Sheoldred will find some sort of resource that can cure a creature of any ailment and bring it back to Phyrexia. Tezzeret will use this resource to remove his immunity to Phyresis before having Jin-Gitaxias compleat him. Now, as a compleated creature, Tezzeret is recognized as another praetor. He will then take the halo from Urabrask and use it to power his magic and create some sort of super weapon. He will then use the tyrite to turn himself effectively immortal, and that would bring him to a level on par of the Kaldheim gods. Planeswalkers are already some of the most powerful creatures in the magic multiverse, having all of these things combined would make him indescribably powerful as each one stacks with itself to launch him into true godhood, beyond the levels anyone has ever seen. Kasmina will arrive on Phyrexia and team up with Urabrask to fight Elesh Norn, Vorinclex, Jin-Gitaxias, and Sheoldred. The army of planeswalkers the first two gathered will clash with the army of the phyrexians. The planeswalkers win against the armies, but the praetors put up a much harder fight. Then, once both sides are weakened, Tezzeret will step out from the shadows, having manipulated them all from the start. Now, the only two groups powerful enough to stop him are too weak to do anything to stop him. The praetors and planeswalkers will then have to team up to take down Tezzeret, and this battle will result in many named characters dying for good, and result in a soft reboot of the magic canon. This makes sense from both a storytelling perspective, and a meta-playerbase-analysis perspective. As the MCU has shown us, people love massive interconnected universes with huge conflict payoffs at the end, and since WOTC is owned by Hasbro now, they're pushing profits harder than anything. Following the MCU's lead is a surefire way to make tons of money. They could use this conflict to sell packs with a guaranteed planeswalker again like War of the Spark, which sold really well. Additionally, with a massive nearly 30 year long history, magic lore is an extremely complicated web thats hard to get into, and magic has been pulling in a lot of new players recently. What better way to introduce new players to the lore than by hitting the reset button?

[@askani21]

Cure Phyresis? Impossible. Not even death can free you from Yawgmoth's science ;)

[@TheSteve_1992]

I have the opinion that it shouldn't be able to be cureable and here is why: if the process was reversable then that would be severely lessening the stakes and the horror aspect that is is intended. Let Characters die and show that noone is truely safe or protected by plotarmor. It would be a very mature take on the storytelling of the fall of heroes

[@seanheiser2179]

Just chiming in to say they need to save Glissa before Tamiyo. Glissa had such a horrible life before the phyrexians came to power, and she would hate what she’s become since succumbing to phyresis

[@jacob4920]

How freaking horrible would it be, if VENSER showed up again. Having surrendered his spark to Karn, to cure Karn of his phyresis, he'd no longer be a Planeswalker, but Karn having to personally deal with the memory of Venser would just be such an emotional kick to the balls, that I can't imagine Wizards missing this opportunity to throw him into the story, one last time!

[@spicyuh]

@@jacob4920 could be a good chance for the story to reestablish the extent Karn and Venser's relationship, since in previous stories it was really contradictory.

[@alfpabravoloboking]

Funny you would mention that....

[@earlahmer5528]

Something tells me Bolas is going to be forced by situation to aid the remaining untainted plains walkers rather than by want. The question is besides his freedom however limited what else will be his price.

[@turatimauro98]

He could demand Ugin's spark

[@The_Loreseeker]

I sincerely hope the answer to this question is a big fat 'no' - to cheapen this compleation by making it little more than a phase in a character's story would not only trivialize the threat of Phyrexia, it would further hammer home the absurdity of Gideon's sacrifice my reminding us again that, unless the _Corporate Overlords_ demand it, one's fate in Magic: The Gathering is entirely reversible.

[@dudeisosum529]

Imagine some weird Planeswalker like Grist gets Phyresis.

[@ChristopherG1990]

We don’t know much about Halo’s effect on Phyrexia other than it made Urabrask ill but it might be a cure or even how Nicol Bolas created the vaccine. Who told Urabrask about Halo in the first place? Tezzeret?

[@brianseiler9750]

There's one big problem that I see with the approach you're taking: the answer is obviously yes, because this is fiction. If the writers decide that they want to cure a planeswalker, it's going to happen, and they're not really going to sweat the mechanism that hard. They'll certainly try to fit it within the fiction, but if it comes down to it, the fiction will change if they want it to happen. That makes trying to analyze this based on in-universe data a pretty pointless endeavor, because that's not what's going to control here. The question should be: will any of the affected planeswalkers be cured, and will Tamiyo in specifically be? To answer that question, we have to look at the overall narrative and figure out what would be best. In that regard, I don't think Tamiyo is coming back. Tamiyo is an ancillary planeswalker - she can show up from time to time on planes that aren't Kamigawa, but she's always going to be secondary to the story. She'll be chronicling history, or she'll get mind controlled by an Elder God to put an octopus in the moon. That's nice, but it's not essential, and the fact that she is a very sympathetic character makes her a perfect target for elimination, because her loss will mean something without costing much for the narrative. She's done. I don't care what you can suss out of the fiction - it ain't happening. I'm disappointed too, because thinking about how that story happened makes me physically angry in a pretty disturbing way, but it's what makes the most narrative sense. This is also why Nahiri is a good candidate to end up in the crosshairs for this. Her utility to the narrative is finished at this point. Unless a new story starts that involves her, she's done. She's an established character, however, so her loss will still mean something without costing anything, so I suspect that she's going to be on the chopping block. Now, in the broader sense, will Wizards save anybody at all from infection, and there I think the answer is a hard maybe. The pieces are in place such that they could do that if they wanted (that's just good storytelling). Liliana feels guilty about Gideon and has been studying up on how to move souls around, which means that they could use her as part of a cure and build on her redemption arc. Having somebody come back also gives us a Locutus of Borg situation, where somebody other than Karn ends up with a deep personal investment in doing a genocide, or develops an understanding, or any number of other things that Captain Picard had to deal with. We only get one, though, and it's not going to be Tamiyo. Maybe Tamiyo is the first subject on whom the procedure is executed and it doesn't go all the way and she dies severed from the Phyrexians, but she doesn't live. What we'll get is somebody who's involved in an ongoing story (Kaito, The Wanderer, etc.) or a cover model for the brand (Jace, Chandra, etc.) who gets caught and compleated and brought back while any other victims end up dead or alive and still devoted to the Phyrexian cause. How that gets done is basically irrelevant unless the how of it will inform some element of the narrative. It's possible that the Gatewatch could turn to Bolas, but we just had a multi-year story deeply involving Bolas at every level, so I don't think Wizards will go back to that well yet. If you want a guess, I'd say that whichever substantial and significant character ends up in the mix will be rescued by some combination of Liliana, Tezzeret, and maybe somebody else. All others will die. I think this is where we lose Tamiyo, it makes sense for this to be where we lose Nahiri, and I wouldn't be terribly shocked if a couple of still-living-but-not-particularly-significant walkers get dropped as well. The how of it is irrelevant, though. Somebody will wave a hand and say a wizard did it (quite literally in this case).

[@dannybeane2069]

I mean it's also a way for wizards to clean house per say, (spoilers ahead): Ajani was another completed Planeswalker, and has killed Kaya. Jaya is also on the chopping block as well with this set. Basically I feel this'll be wizards using popular Planeswalkers with completed stories to kill less popular ones.

[@Tracer_Sweat]

I'm going to have to go ahead and say probably not, they break you to turn you into what they need, and then rebuild you. Even if they could cure Tamiyo's phyresis, she probably would be insane, sure they could just slap Jace in there to mind sculpt some stuff, but then you also have to realize how much of the body is turned into a phyrexian killing machine...I guess if the writers really wanted to start making people do miracles perhaps Teferi can roll back time in a set location and can somehow roll Tamiyo and Ajani back into their original states.

[@guibreve1733]

"Perhaps Karn can research how to cure" Meanwhile Karn: "hokay...lemme buy this book 'destroying stuff with the Cylex, for dummies edition' to see how to solve this situation"

[@geinerelizondo2019]

I don't see why, besides being a Phyrexian is not like be evil per se, look at Urabrask, he is "the good Phyrexian"!

[@AetherHub]

That’s true. But a part of ELESH NORNS minions are pretty much pure evil.

[@jazybomber]

@@AetherHub I see phyrexis as an evolution, not necessarily evil. The methods are just gruesome.

[@Someone-lg6di]

Of urabrasks flavor text for the longest time felt more blue then red

[@thraxhunter1450]

I think Elesh Norn may want to use a compleated Jayce try to infiltrate Emrakul's mind.

[@tztzmetalis]

The Prof made a vid back then about how Jayce is always the one being controlled, used, and being taken advantage of (despite being one that can control as much as he wants). Your statement made me chuckle because I totally wouldn't be surprised if Wizards made that plot point to do so, cause our boi Jayce just can't catch a break lol

[@AetherHub]

Man a Phyrexianized Eldrazi… scary

[@tztzmetalis]

@@AetherHub I'm willing to bet it'll be the opposite, where in some twist of fate Emrakul turns the tides

[@psy_p]

@@tztzmetalis there is no twist in that, the eldrazi are much more than the phyrexians can handle.

[@DrolonDanper]

I needed this, reminds me of 7of9, better see Tamiyo return!!!!

[@DeathsjesterKMNP]

Honestly, I hope not. There needs to be some real stakes for planeswalkers in this upcoming storyline., If it can just get reversed down the line, there's even less threat posed by the Phyrexians, which should be a REAL rival force to the good-guys, there should be severe and lasting consequences to this conflict (IMO BIG losses for both sides, and a victory by the skin of their teeth) and not just another "Oh hey the planeswalkers win again against BBE, and everything goes back to the way it was, all the PW's are back to good. Pass on that if they take that route.

[@bennygairns2235]

I have a feeling that Gin is going to mass produce the Reality Chip with a phyrexianized twist.

[@benpearson49]

Mass produced McGuffins!

[@AlexaderOckham]

Another case of Phyresis semi cured is Xantcha who was a phyrexian born that had will. Tamiyo may gain a grade of autonomy, long enough to aid with her cure.

[@VinnieKielbasa]

Xantcha had never been compleated. It was when compleation had been a prize newts needed to prove worthy of.

[@rezthemediaruler3768]

For every illness exists a Cure. And there is one thing not mentioned in the Video that might be important: Urabrask‘s appearance in New Capenna. We don‘t know what his Plans are, but it seems that he is not cooperating with either of the other Praetors or tries to modify people for his „Great Work“. A Phyrexian Praetor working against the Plans of the Phyrexians might be a huge deal.

[@LadyTsunade777]

As much as Tamiyo is among my top most favorite planeswalkers, I kinda hope we _won't_ be able to cure compleated planeswalkers. There needs to be permanent stakes for a conflict to have any tension. All we got with the Jacetice League era and War of the Spark was Dack Fayden and Gideon dying and Bolas is in jail. That's it. No other long-term consequences. In fact, there was a long-term _gain_ in Jace no longer being the Guildpact because he transferred control to Niv-Mizzet. So as much as it would make sense for Elspeth and her Halo, Melira and her anti-Glistening-Oil ability, and Karn having experienced being cured, to work together to create a cure, I kinda don't want the writers to do it. Not to mention that if not even Urza and the Nine Titans as Old Walkers could cure phyresis, then the Jacetice League of neo-Walkers most certainly should _NOT_ be able to.

[@GiantTromboner]

Teferi is gonna sacrifice himself at some point to atone for his phasing mistake and saving dominaria (maybe other planeswalkers will sacrifice too)

[@WolffangLightwood]

Don't forget Elspeth was vaccinated against compleation thanks to Melira. And the way the story is going Norn has a kill and destroy the body on sight order against Elspeth. Either way she's marked for annihilation from the phyrexians, no compleation at all

[@TKTigerkat]

After recent spoilers, i hope it can be cured.

[@gabbyraffles4775]

Well technically Karn wasn’t a planeswalker anymore when he got corrupted, that’s why he got corrupted. He gave up his spark to seal a rift and then since he didn’t have that protecting him anymore he was able to get corrupted. He originally wasn’t. Once his body was cured, giving him the spark of the planeswalker back is what cured his heart. So I think he would be a bad example for this.

[@christopherb501]

Something else to consider: while being _compleat_ 99.999% of the time means being a slave to the greater ideology of Phyrexia, it's not a _100%._ Belbe and Xantcha (and Urabrask?) exist, after all. While *extremely* unlikely, it's not _impossible_ that an assimilated 'walker could be "talked down" as it were. I highly doubt it would happen, but it's not absolutely impossible.

[@Someone-lg6di]

They still do whats best for phryxia

[@Blazevids122]

This gives me some hope for Ajani.

[@monkaeyes3417]

Perhaps something that can bring back the mind. But not the body. Maybe anyone who had the reality chip in their body from kamigawa gets a copy of their mind stored within it. It’s a cop out but it could happen.

[@nelspaulson3099]

the other thing is that it is an artificial completion. without the chip would Tamiyo be completed?

[@saltylich9207]

Just got around to this video. I've been busy all weekend. No saving Tamiyo, we all suffer

[@EldricVanguard]

Halo, angel essence introduced in New Capenna, is going to be the key to curing them. Possibly, it will reverse the compleation process that is happening to Tamiyo. However, its only a matter of time before she is beyond saving. A certain chip is making her believe that she is compleated, but really, she isn't yet. The Reality Chip may augment a planeswalker's ability to become more powerful and concentrated, but it also changes one's perception of beliefs and sight. The longer it is within them, the chance of them recovering who they really are thins out.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Well there is a way to reverse the corruption and that is with the help of a actual god Emrakul but no one would want to release a Eldrazi Titan with unknown powers that devours plans and shape life unless the very multiverse depended on it. Let's not forget she might not even want to help as she is the very reason why she is sealed in the moon which i suspect that she could break out any time she wanted as it was her spell in the first place

[@ragnar40kblackmain]

While I am a sucker for happy endings, I dont think anything short of 90s magic could even come close.

[@petrkovacs3191]

I'm not so sure about Bolas and his antidote to phyresis.. Tezzereth is Esper PW with metal as part of his body.. In my opinion he could be immune to Oil just because this metal blocks Phyrexian influence on his body and mind.

[@TheAidenSanders]

Fulmetal alchemist has the answer, they have to give up magic forever and all magic, to cleanse the heart and soul, is like bringing Alphonse from the gate of truth. It is the only way to do it without sacrificing your own life so in a way is like dying but at least we know that the ones that become mere mortals have a happy ending, but could never wield the powers we wield in the game.

[@JonathonSwinney2814]

I just had a horrifying thought... A compleated Emrakul.

[@lethalsandwhich]

Let's not give them ideas....

[@alucard8433]

Im pretty sure Eldrazi are immune to the Phyrexian plague. Well atleast the titans anyway.

[@Misterscout]

The answer is no. Unless you pull the oil out and replace with Karns variant.

[@mega2009man]

We need a cure for Tamiyo! We have to find one for Ajani!! We'll definitely need it for anyone else!!! Why not ask Urabrask, he'd have at least some idea, he should know the procedure. I say get Urabrask and the reality chip and a cure is very possible

[@alucard8433]

So your saying to ask a Phyrexian Praetor how to cure the virus?

[@mega2009man]

@@alucard8433 He's a Phyrexian 😱😏

[@alucard8433]

@@mega2009man I know that is like going to your enemy and asking him his weakness lol.

[@mega2009man]

@@alucard8433 Yeah crazy me thinking "the enemy of my enemy" whoever heard of such a thing 🤪

[@alucard8433]

@@mega2009man Ya im sure a Phyrexian Praetor would gladly tell you how to kill him lmao.

[@MrJJLand]

As we are now approaching Dominaria United, and my best boi Ajani is confirmed to have been converted, I of course began speculating where this might go, which led me here. I think these ideas all make sense, but I think another possibility lies in one of Magics most favored girls, Lilliana. I think at this point we are doing a full rounded Arc for her, and I can see this entire thing coming down to a climactic fight of Phyrexian Planeswalkers verses the Remaining Gatewatch in a Civil War-esc fight, leading up to a White/Black Lilliana learning not to just raise the dead, but cure diseases and life. With her magic, she's got plenty of knowledge to back the idea, and it gives the fans more Lilliana to drool over

[@DPedro3]

At this point let's just give up. If everyone's compleated then there's no conflict, we all live in harmony

[@yaboibolas197]

I think there is a way to cure compleation but I don't think it's the magnitude we hope it'd to be. Nicol Bolas made it so that Tezzerret can't be compleated. But, what if Elesh Norn decides to double cross Tezzerret and have Jin start operating on him to find what Bolas had done to prevent it?

[@benzur3503]

Authors willing, anything is possible

[@AetherHub]

In writing, all things are possible. I just hope they write it well.

[@Roan.bot.]

Well maybe if Karn and Bolas got together they could figure out how to manufacture a planeswalker spark. If what’s required is a spark transplant.

[@DexterityYTC]

Sorry to be nitpicking, but I think it’s important. The wiki has it completely wrong. Tezzeret was injected with what is most likely Blinkmoth that SLOWS the influence of Phyresis, but is far from a cure. It also stands to reason that Bolas wouldn’t inject himself because he has no intention of going to Phyrexia. There’s also numerous flavor texts in multiple sets that suggest Phyrexians tend to not mess with Elder Dragons. To quote one, “…big fiery reasons.”

[@mandielyn0416]

Bolas is not going to be completed. Jace is going to let bolas out of the prison realm to defeat the phyrexians.

[@aceundead4750]

Unless Bolas returns i want nothing to do with a cure for Phyresis

[@AetherHub]

Dude it would be so sick if he did come back to help cure this stuff

[@aceundead4750]

@@AetherHub according to the card Prison Realm his memories are even gone, so if he did return he could end up being a full-time hero. With no recollection of the story the rest of us wish we could forget.

[@AetherHub]

@@aceundead4750 hmm ill have to re-read some of that. I wasnt sure his memories were impacted.

[@aceundead4750]

@@AetherHub the only place i found it was the one card, so i dont know if it was even meant to be put there

[@marsmandel42]

I think there is always a way to undo things. For example dying in theros or the forgotten realms plus reanimation. There will definitly some was of curing it, even though there should not.

[@petinonclement7872]

Honestly I think if completed PW can be saved that may need a cure to all phyrexia. That may be a intresting if even cured they stay in a physicaly completed and in a same hive mind that other ex-phyrexian been.

[@asideofsalt.6645]

I really hope so. I want to save Tamiyo and Ajani

[@karlcarpenter771]

I say Complete Melira. End all hope and set in stone how dangerous Phyrexians are.

[@jazybomber]

Agreed raise their hope then crush it.

[@purpleslushie]

Mtg the anime needs to be a mainstay for the series.

[@Christendom88]

Compleation is the cure, not the symptom. Our Lord and Savior, Yawgmoth, remade us in his ideal image to spread blessed perfection. Please, don't resist.

[@alucard8433]

Except your leaving out the part that Yawgmoth was not the creator of the Phyrexian virus he was just corrupted by it like everyone else.

[@rorschach1]

Elspeth’s blade Luxior, given to her by Giana can cure Ajani and Tamiyo from their phyrexian infection.

[@psachickennugget8617]

If anyone would have known if it was possible or could figure it out, Tamiyo would have been my first pick but… you know XD

[@jeffreypeterson2]

Phyrexians are by far my favorite mtg baddies, theyre so sinister and bad ass

[@whilelmschuyler2043]

Yes, with the artefact in Eldrain who cure Garruck.

[@howardjones1388]

MTG is gonna pull an Avengers End Game. Teferi is going back in time. He'll stop Tamiyo and Ajani from becoming Compleated.

[@joebobby8371]

Like I've said on a few videos from you and other creators it seems like the soul is only held in place by the reality chip , though think she dies when that happens as she has no more non machine parts

[@phobiawitch835]

*immediately rushing to watch this because of the reveal for Dominaria United during the Wizards Presents 2022*: TELL ME HOW TO CURE THE BEST BOY!!!!!

[@timmyg316]

Two times in Innistrad, no phyrexians. Phyrexians fear Sorin

[@FaithlessLooter]

I mean I’m pretty sure karn is going to travel to the past so I’m assuming it will all be fixed. Also Melira was played in modern. maybe not today, but experienced established modern players would remember the days of abzan company with kitchen finks, viscera seer and murderous redcap.

[@wildras]

come on man, Tamiyo is in a better place :D

[@andrewfornes5320]

Rip Slobad. Best Goblin Boi.

[@darkmindaustin]

Is it wrong I am not really interested in this New Phyrexian War? None of the characters are as enjoyable as the old crew of Urza, Xantcha, Teferi (pre-Time Spiral,) Barron, and then the Weatherlight Crew from that Era, and the Phyrexians aren't as big of a threat. Planeswalkers after the Mending are barely on par with Mages like Teferi pre-Spark Ignition, or even Barron, so them having Tamiyo is about as threatening as having an archmagus was back when Planeswalkers actually were something. Also, calling Karn an artificial planeswalker is a bit disingenuous. Yes, he was originally a basic golem, but when Xantcha's Heart Matrix was installed, he became a living creature. Especially since he is a Thran Silver Golem base, which means that it actually grows and "lives" as best as metal can. And technically, he isn't even entirely that anymore, as he, Gerard, and Urza, merged and became what he is today. As well, he merged with a half dozen of the most powerful magical artifacts to have ever existed, since half of the Legacy was suffused in him, during the firing of the Legacy Weapon. The closest to an Artificial Planeswalker we have had, is actually, Yawgmoth himself, as he did not have a spark, nor did he ever actually become a true Planeswalker. He just became so incredibly powerful, and suffused with mana that he became an Incarnate of Black Mana. Now... that may have been retconned after Time Spiral novel series, cause it was a horrible idea, and the idea of Yawgmoth being a human so hell bent on becoming a God, that he nearly became one, is so much better, but that is by far the closest one we have.

[@finnmchugh99]

The thought I have on a "cure" is perhaps could have something to do with Karn? Phyrexian lore isn't my strong point so take what I say with a drop of oil. 🥁 so he was corrupted by their oil and imprisoned iirc but eventually cured so I have reasons to suspect he might know something or could know something from Dominarian archives in that metal dome of his. On an unrelated note.... Why wizards why!? Why Ajani!? 😭

[@alucard8433]

In order to defeat them they are gonna have to go further into the lore of how the Phyrexians were created in the first place all that is known was that an evil humanoid planeswalker who preferred the form of a dragon was the creator, he died 1 month before Yawgmoth was transported to that plane and Yawgmoth found its corpse in the control room.

[@svda7582]

Maybe off topic, bu who'd win (and why) in a 1v1v1? the Phyrexians, Bolas (and his army he had during war of the spark) or the eldrazi?

[@karmacollector7404]

If Nicol Bolas returns that would be a interesting choice, enemy of my enemy is my friend kinda choice.

[@johnozzmond9728]

You probably can't. It might be possible to make them independent and freed from the Phyrexian oil, but particularly in the case of Ajani, he's still an unholy abomination of flesh and metal. Melira or Halo probably isn't gonna de-metal him and do a factory reset of his leonin anatomy

[@MackAttack-vh1vz]

Great video! Thanks for the content

[@joaocisne556]

I think and hope, taht whaterve they did to Tamyo was temporary and she is already back to herself by now, if not, I think Melira and Karn Will save her

[@AetherHub]

Yeah sorry to say but she will be fighting for the Phyrexians next time we see her.

[@joaocisne556]

@@AetherHub like I said I HOPE

[@jazybomber]

I hope it's permanent, I'm team Elesh all the way.

[@brettbat]

The answer should be no but, WIZARDS is likely to pull some magical McGuffin buggery to ruin the lore...as they do

[@jingisukhan7988]

Sometime death is also a cure

[@NateTmi]

What about elspeth conquers death? if a life needs to be taken, would it not be interesting if they put it all on elspeth only to reveal she could come back & it might work ashiok back into the story too, as they where part of what hepened to elspeth

[@lamirmagus3594]

Is urabrask dead? I thought that elesh norn killed him, and that's why atraxa doesn't have red, for example, but if urabrask isn't dead (or if it's likely the goblins of the furnace remade him from fire or something) I could see Urabrask being a helpful piece in the war against phyrexia, even though he is phyrexian himself. I mean, Red is the color of vengeance, so He's probably feeling pretty anti-other praetors right now.

[@bobbymaycry9748]

"Can We Cure 'Compleated' Planeswalkers?" *No*, just as Urza couldn't save Mishra. If a pre-mending Planeswalker couldn't I don't know why it's being questioned that anyone after the mending can. Compleation entails the total replacement of all organic parts of the body, until nothing but artifice remains.

[@DStrormer]

I'm expecting either Karn or Liliana, maybe both, to sacrifice themselves to de-compleat any other planeswalkers like Tamiyo.

[@gtcsfms]

I think it is more likely that Tamiyo and other Compleated planeswalkers will further fragment Phyrexian society.

[@elvincortez1484]

Do another one of these now that ajani is a sleeper agent. And Squee was turned then resurrected

[@andresmarrero8666]

I think Emrakul, the Kami, and the moon silver key will be involved somehow. The spiritual nature of the Kami is in stark contrast to New Phyrexia and I don't believe for a moment that they understand just what exactly they have angered. There is also the descendants of the original hero of Kamigawa to keep in mind as they may have an unorthodox role here. The nature of the Eldrazi is to warp and I doubt that Emrakul is done with Tamayo just yet. Not only is the moon silver key explicitly is powered by hope but it has also been stated that it has an aggressive interaction with the glistening oil. There is also that new Dryad planes walker roaming around that may have a part to play as well.

[@alucard8433]

Pretty sure its gonna be resolved via time travel and the brothers war, considering Mishra was already infected during the brothers war.

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@alucard8433 that would be a rather boring way to go about it honestly. Besides isn't time travel borderline impossible to do?

[@alucard8433]

@@andresmarrero8666 Teferi can easily bend time to his will, not to mention throughout magics history many spells that exist that bend time. Personally i would prefer them to do more lore into the creation of the Phyrexians as all that we currently know is that an evil humanoid planeswalker that preferred the form of a dragon created them, and a month after his death Yawgmoth was teleported to that plane and found the corpse in the control room.