Can We Save Humanity? Jamie Wheal on Saving a Global Culture on the Brink of Collapse

Are you part of the many struggling with finding meaning in the midst of the chaos, disease, falling governments, unspeakable human conditions? What does it even look like to show up your best these days when your heart is heavy and you’re surrounded with so much uncertainty? T
his episode today takes the plunge and leans off the edge with Jamie Wheal unpacking the depth and complexities he’s addressing in his latest book, Recapture the Rapture. The conversation is heavy and will challenge you to rethink your stance and what leaning into our global community could be for you. Enjoy peak experiences, spark the human initiative in your community and have some compassion for the world around you.
Order Jamie Wheal’s new book, Recapture the Rapture: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08...

SHOW NOTES:
Loss of Meaning | A break down of the conflicting directions of major institutions [3:33]
Meaning 1.0 & 2.0 | Jamie breaks down the difference and problem for salvation & inclusion [7:54]
Meta Crisis | Jamie details the complexity of meta crisis and where it intersects [12:06]
Storytelling | Jamie walks through shapes of stories & where we are in our story of humanity [16:16]
Acceleration | Jamie on why rushing to clean the slate is ignorant of history [18:56]
The Drop | Jamie lists problems (the drop) we have to lean into to get to the better side [24:31]
Narrative Problem | Jamie breaks down coming alive vs. staying alive, narrative or reality [28:37]
Rearview Mirror | Jamie summarizes where the U.S. is after war in 1945 through 60s [30:55]
Tribalism | Jamie reveals what unhealthy tribalism is versus healthy that is for community [32:16]
Cults | Jamie exposes history of cults, how some succeed, when it gets too far extreme [36:42]
4 Cult Responses | Jamie explains the 4 feelings and 4 responses to cult leaders [44:44]
Top Down Solutions | The issue being detached from complexity of interconnected problems [53:13]
Global Rage | Jamie on the human initiative and the propensity for collective rage [57:14]
Finding Grace | Significant decisions in history that were against the rage & violence [1:02:44]
Cultural Architect | Escaping doomsday and thriving into the future [1:10:21]
Soul Force | Jamie explains the root of peaceful nonviolence anchored to Civil Rights [1:15:09]
Big 5 | Jamie reveals the big 5 evolutionary drivers, discusses healing and peak states [1:20:15]
Sex & Healing | Jamie explores the power of orgasms, women, its evolutionary nature [1:34:00]
Out of Hand | Jamie shares why people don’t know what they’re doing, forgiving ourselves [1:47:11]
Trickster | Jamie on dissonance between God & Satan, Good & Bad and the unknowing [1:50:51]
Omega Point | Jamie reveals the point where death and rebirth come together [1:58:02]
QUOTES:
“There are intersecting, overlapping and reinforcing meta crisis happening right now. And so it's not just any single thing, and none of the challenges that we're facing, stop or respect, zip codes or political boundaries” [9:42]
“And so we have to actually be willing to lean into that drop. It's like skateboarding or snowboarding or anything, like you're standing on the lip of something steep, you don't fall back away from it, you actually have to lean into it, to stick the landing.” [17:52]
“...the point isn't to end the game victorious. The point is to keep playing for as long as possible, with as many people as possible.” [21:39]

“No one beats our collective intelligence.” [57:12]
“grieve globally, [...] actually open our hearts to the wound of the world right now, and everyone and everything on it, but thrive locally.” [57:49]
“tribalism is destiny and humanism is optional” [1:02:33]
“we need to get more effective and more deliberate and more inclusive about our access to healing, inspiration and connection.” [1:10:31]
“...when we try and suppress the random and fickle and unknowable nature of existence, right, we tend to create more trauma, we tend to create more heartache, versus just bearing witness in the not knowing of it all.” [1:56:00]
“I wake up in the morning torn between the desire to save the world, or savor it.” [1:58:52]
“...instead of me trying to escape my mundane existence, I'm coming back to it. And I'm coming back to it with fresh eyes and an open heart and gratitude.” [2:04:23]
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[@TomBilyeu]

With so many potential ways that apocalypse could tear down the society, what brings you the most hope from Jamie Wheal for a potential utopian society?

[@ThePresentation010]

How is the world collapsing? Worlds always been mean and violent. That's the norm. And most of it, 70% still is. America is the nation that's changing. Thanks to the left directing us back to the stone age w all their finance bs. Giving migrants as much coverage as they can. Puttin trillions into many bs reforms and taxing us to pay for it. If you step back from the propaganda media outlets you'll find actual people in the higher up questioning wtf is going on.

[@theemanationstation4772]

Sounds similar to Terrence McKenna’s “Archaic Revival” concept. Bring the human back into humanity

[@zachferdinand6633]

The world is always shifting. Roman watched senators get murdered in the forum in the post-Augustan period and couldn't believe that it was happening. Nothing they did however could bring back the old Republic which had been irreversibly changed by its own success. If anything, integration is my hope. We are the heroes and the villains. Get over yourself. Make life better and that does not mean easier or more convenient.

[@SkreltNL]

Nothing, i actually believe he is talking out off his ass. One off the first points he brings up about nutrition is 100% wrong. Dr. Zach Bush has alot to say about that. After Skool made a video about it day ago if you want a short version on it. Might be an interesting talk, Dr. Zach Bush has alot of insight on how we could change the nutrition thing for the better. Which again he can better explain me in a youtube comment.

[@rosequartz3525]

Until corruption is eradicated it will be a wobble to survive

[@katelankendrick5741]

I love that very true reminder that when you smash a “system” to make change , what rises to the top is not peace and love its power . A scary power . We forget that .

[@bageshwaradhamanubhavreact12]

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[@craigwillms61]

Jordan Peterson says - and I think it's true - it's easy to make things worse, way worse and very difficult to make things even slightly better. Tread lightly on the CHANGE mantra.

[@nuclearmaga9694]

@@craigwillms61 yes, its like arson.... the work of a lifetime can go up in flames and be destroyed in a matter of moments

[@shanartisan]

Ain't going to forget it for long. The system is coming apart; it's been successfully smashed. If might will rise to the top, better get mighty.

[@estherbeach4463]

“The only secret of wealth creation is knowing how to use Cosmic Ordering.” 👉 tinyurl.com/y3cyb4eb !💖🖤❤️今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,. 💖🖤在整個人類歷史上，強者，富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，氏族，城鎮，城市和鄉村中的弱者，無`'守和貧窮成員。然而，人類的生存意願迫使那些被拒絕，被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。. 說到食物，不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。相反，他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。他們學會了清潔，切塊，調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（如山核桃，山核桃和豆科灌木 來調味g食物煮的時候

[@KevinSmith-gw5rk]

"Grieve globally, thrive locally" "Tribalism is guaranteed, humanism is optional"

[@georgekim933]

Absolutely it’s about connecting with each other and it starts locally. Kindness and courtesy is the best defense against a forceful dictatorship which always creates a cultural dark age with death, and suffering become the norm. Lack of humanism would take the human story to yet another utopia turned dystopia like this World shutdown or some fantasy that we can leave earth and create one elsewhere.

[@anthonysiebenthaler682]

@@georgekim933 The irony though is he does display the only valid accusation made by the race baiters, that he is looking at the world entirely from his own whiteness....especially when he critiques negative traits such as resistance to mix.

[@theempyrecracy5128]

@Rooted Reality Should have defended the border, the culture and thereby it's health..

[@theempyrecracy5128]

@Rooted Reality "And they married and where given in marriage" it's about being selfish, it's disgusting, the w st need it's heritage/legacy back can only be done by effort and hardwork, not lazing around and take in worldly pleasures till it's all consumed..

[@adamisaac4685]

it's time for us to rise up and face the music. let's be the light in this world. don't hide yourself away in your pleasure cocoon. say yes to experience. love yourself unconditionally friends

[@davidian0616]

Pleasure cocoon 👍

[@anisaaurora4397]

Love yourself unconditionally? Translation ‘do as thou wilt’ NO, NO,NO!!! I do believe this is why we are in this whole mess in the first place!! This selfish philosophy has people putting themselves upon others to force & accept their strange & weird selves warts and all.enough with that way of thinking, enough!!! I’m sick of these selfish deranged degenerates!!!!

[@theempyrecracy5128]

@@anisaaurora4397 Agree but he is right about the rising part... something has to be done.. not necessarily fighting randoms with your fists.. but something indeed..

[@AgapeLove878]

I don't think this is over peoples heads at all .... It is a breath of fresh air. How beautiful the bridge between the complex and the simplicity of metaphor

[@savewithstoriesalaska6923]

Enhancing and encouraging small communities to be self sufficient and take care of themselves is definitely one solution we should be working towards ❤

[@RCCarDude]

This is what Nassim Nicholas Taleb calls localism. For some reason people like Wheal look down on these parochial solutions to problems even though they have efficacy to them.

[@savewithstoriesalaska6923]

@@RCCarDude thank you! I am going to look into this more 🙌

[@TimBitts649]

@@RCCarDude Agree totally with your comment. Nicholas Taleb is right. Jamie Wheal is wrong when he says we all need global consciousness, everyone should be part of global community. That's crazy. Because: Humans evolved in small, local tribes of less than 100. We evolved with intense social bonds with a small group of people we trust. We are supposed to have enough in common with someone on another continent, to feel they are our kin? That goes entirely contrary to our evolutionary wiring. Instead: We need strong local communities, not being part of corporate global overlords. Jamie should read: "The Sexual Revolution Created Identity Politics" - Mary Eberstadt She was a guest on Triggernometry yesterday on their y tube channel. She talks about what we are getting wrong with social organization, based on evolution. Jamie talks about tribalism, as if it is always always a bad thing. He's wrong. Sometimes it is, sometimes it is not. Bad Tribalism: Nazism in Germany in the 1930s. Good Tribalism: American sports, where white guys like me cheer on black guys who are good at basketball. We humans are tribal by nature, no getting around that, no use demonizing our evolved tribal nature. Work with it. Get tribalism right. Localism is the future, for survival...just like it was for our past. Small, self sufficient communities are our future. Technology will soon be advanced enough, to make most economies local, with almost everything being able to be produced, locally. Localism is our future. Nassim is right.

[@bageshwaradhamanubhavreact12]

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[@abraham7966]

I agree and I am working on it at the moment.

[@ReynaSingh]

Humanity created its problems, we have to be the ones to solve it

[@Teal_Seal]

Trance dances: we used to come together through sports, comedy, other entertainment, etc. Now everything’s political and “silence is violence”. We’re being divided on purpose. I refuse to hate people who are brainwashed to hate me. I strive to bless and sometimes, if I’m lucky, make them smile. Love and laughter can build bridges.

[@sarahdgreatday]

yes. when we persist in being kind, being kind changes hearts.

[@Teal_Seal]

@Debra Charles True, unfortunately. Media’s also making people think *we’re* a threat. I’m a regular at a local gun range and behind me one night was a young black woman who said she was there bc of Jan 6th. Wanted to be able to defend herself if necessary. Yikes! Media is just evil at this point.

[@guitaristdotcom]

"I refuse to hate people who are brainwashed to hate me." Hm. Is there anyone who should be hated?

[@ChatGPT1111]

@@guitaristdotcom dude, you’re reading way too much into what TT said. He/she had to specify the subject to keep from being general to the point of having made a meaningless statement.

[@Teal_Seal]

@@guitaristdotcom I hate ideologies, lies, manipulation, etc. I try hard not to hate *people*. I’ve seen too many transform into decent humans after deciding to change. The catalyst for change is different for everyone… look at Leo Terrell - it’s like night and day. From bitter to downright joyful haha

[@optimizeyourlife541]

“Faith is not belief without proof, but rather trust without reservation.” That one hit me in such a wonderful way.

[@ValiantVision]

Faith without works is dead.

[@ValiantVision]

And faith in death is zombism,

[@colinesquire2480]

🤔

[@sighwilly9473]

Faith for me is having total 'acceptance' & knowing what is asked is given. My Grandmother raised me & lived practicing her Faith as an example. One example, gma had Faith her body would self-regenerate, after given 2 months to live diagnosed in the last stages of Pancreatic Cancer. To her Doctors amazement, her body within 4 wks tested with no trace of Cancer anywhere. And Gma lived 30 more yrs in perfect health. And chose to transition.at age 90 while living with me. And told me she was leaving the night she did. I found her body in bed transioned in the morning. I fell off a 350ft mountain, & had Faith (Acceptance 100%) I would land safely unharmed, & on my feet. And that is exactly what happened. Faith for me is surrendering,, & letting go of fear & doubt.. & Trusting my inner Higher Self within. And acting on my inner guidance. 💖

[@memyselfandinunya1978]

Your comment just popped out at me and I don't know how I landed on this video! Syncronicities abound...

[@crowlsyong]

26:57 I appreciate you thinking out loud on camera and being vulnerable. It's a brave move in todays world. Thanks for what you contribute.

[@infernalweasal5670]

I think that we're understanding how to wake up. That to me is amazing! Thanks Tom and Team for bringing us this show!

[@bageshwaradhamanubhavreact12]

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[@dlbdlb3919]

nothing is going to come of this rambling

[@johnadams6184]

The MOST learned, articulate, well-read, and interesting guest you've ever had with 2 hours of killer quotes. He's Strong AI

[@pn5721]

1:55:55."Reintroducing the Trickster - like when we try and suppress that Trickster energy, when we try and suppress the random & fickle & unknowable nature of existence, we tend to create more trauma. We tend to create more heartache versus just bearing witness in the not-knowingness of it all."

[@Gunnplay]

Yep, now it's time for Jordan Hall. Let's keep this genius coming.

[@davidcaldwell6687]

z2

[@zaharabardavid]

This was one of the most compelling guests/subjects ever featured on your podcast. My husband watched it twice.

[@kevinjoseph]

Humans are strange creatures. There are so many things taking us in the wrong direction.

[@ConsueloCastanuela]

Man's heart is inherently evil...we need God Jesus HS to lead guide direct love

[@kevinjoseph]

@@ConsueloCastanuela 💯💯💯💯💯

[@yamiyo6050]

LMFAO

[@yamiyo6050]

Also blm ✊🏿

[@yamiyo6050]

@@ConsueloCastanuela AGREEEEEE

[@PinkSallyProductions]

I am so glad that Jamie Wheal has a new book out, it means that he is appearing on KZbin interviews more often! Thank you for having him on as a guest, I always enjoy your interviews and this one is now on my favourites list. Mr Wheal has such an amazing mind and and the articulation of language to match it. I could listen to you two think out loud all day, thank you 🌹

[@anabrito720]

For real me too

[@RogueX_Studio]

Well this was mindful....loved it I can't believe I watched it for free

[@mitochondriac5946]

I really enjoyed this little conversation. Having said that... I reckon we’re collectively fucked.

[@lisar.2549]

Ha ha

[@wildmanmike100]

Funny thing is humans are a product of fucking so being fucked kinda makes sense. Once you understand that you can't not be in a state of fucked life begins to make sense. This kind of conversation could have been had anytime in human history. Sure the context changes. Central theme is trying to make sense of the infinite trapped in a fictional 3D universe.

[@lisar.2549]

@E A Um, it’s worldwide. There is no place to “escape” to. Sorry.

[@albertsaplys8661]

There have been a number of calamities. Some before humans came upon the scene. Some during the reign of humans. The Black death, WW 1 and WW 2. But then there is the calamity of the screw. Experts believe that Gingas Khan did so much screwing that there are about one million people in central Asia who have are genetically related to Gingas Khan. The experts say that over 90% of all the species that have ever existed have become extinct. Several of the humanoid species have also become extinct. So is it our technology that will eventually make us extinct. A very good possibility! Maybe the only humans that have a chance of surviving are those that screw prolifically. Forget att the culture and past traditions. Great screwed don't need culture. If I had to guess who the modern day Gingas Khans are, then my pick would be Bill Cosby and the NBA.

[@ishanjain4038]

you'll be astonished what difference you can make in your life just by complying little less.

[@rachaellamkin9326]

Favorite part at 9:21 when Tom asks, "why do we need to find meaning?". Jamie doesn't actually answer the question. For his whole problem to be a problem, humans must be anguished by the lack of meaning. But what of those people who are not burdened by existentialist crisis? Now, I am in Jami'e camp, ive read Nietzsche for decades, but I want to be in Tom's camp where many of my friends reside: perfectly fine with the complete (truthful) lack of meaning in our wonderful accidental lives

[@davewolf8869]

Nothing is accidental. You are here for a reason. It should be everyone's quest to discover that reason.

[@lisar.2549]

What lack of meaning? What accidental lives? Please practice gratitude and be more intentional. ❤️

[@williambentley2802]

Well spotted Rachel, our situation is absurd.

[@wantanamera]

I think some people just can’t seem to find any joy in life so they need this idea of higher meaning in order to fill that void. They need to believe that their joylessness is for a greater purpose, fulfilling God’s grand plan, passing the test to see if they are worthy of heaven, etc. 🤷‍♂️ Reminds me of Ecclesiastes.

[@eusebiusthunked5259]

I think his answer is that its not a choice. Its not exhorting us that we more need to focus on making meaning. Rather as Tom picked up from his caricatures; we are meaning Making machines, it happens automatically and involuntarily, we need to make meaning as part of being conscious. If anything, we need to be more aware of the meanings we constantly assign often without awareness.

[@michaelacappabianca6461]

The insane amount of ads on this when it’s already a sponsored video. Good god. Really starting to hate KZbin.

[@SuperbizonR]

Me too. I will buy ads free pass when I can. By the way - Tom can turn off monetization in his videos. It's his choice. Just to make it clear who is to blame )

[@michaelacappabianca6461]

Yeah I’m not paying KZbin a penny. No thanks.

[@pascalbercker7487]

I'm watching from France - I have Adguard blocker - and not a single ad on any youtube channel I watch here! But I'm not quite sure why this is. Why does this not work for everybody?

[@SuperbizonR]

@@pascalbercker7487 because 99% use smartphones or tablets to watch youtube not PCs. You are too old my friend ) using your old PC from home to surf inet. )

[@cheery-hex]

@@SuperbizonR lol you don't know that. Also, opera or brave browser has adblock built in. works like a charm on phones

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Jung said, “it takes a great man to sink so low. “ Let’s hope this goes for humanity as well.

[@sathsah1593]

Make sense to me. I have left all because i dont undetstand this destructive world and human behaviour. Greed is the downfall of humanity

[@gianfranco2165]

Great interview technique yields a thorough exploration of the guests ideas. Tom understood the book, held the guest fast to the details of his questions but then got out of the way of the long detailed answers. Great technique. I can tell I'm going to be digging into this channel.

[@vincentkc48]

I been stuck on this page it’s all I listen to at work lol I don’t even want to listen to music and that’s like really strange for me 😂

[@AndrewClarkePhotography]

I love the way this guy makes things relatable but deeply thoughtful. A really interesting guy and guest to listen to Tom.

[@MrKeysWorld]

Sending everyone peace love and positive vibes ✨☮️💟☯️✨

[@mikefinn]

Back at you.

[@Jay_Hendrix]

Things are pretty bad lately, but it's necessarily bad. It's all happening the way it needs to. Couldn't have happened any other way. Just trust yourself, trust your friends and family, and live aligned with the truth. Everything is going to be okay.

[@AJ.Rafael]

I appreciate this comment

[@millergdonald]

Trust those who are looking for truth, doubt those that have found it. 🙂

[@griffinsdad9820]

These are great platitudes to commercially push life insurance, antidepressants, cell phone networking, something like that. At the very least it'd be a nice hallmark card to open juuust when you needed it.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

I listen to a lot of long form discussions and this is one of the most interesting for a while. Must look deeper into the ideas raised and hopefully assimilate them 🙏

[@refuse2giveup677]

Wow..... The world has gone crazyyyy sounds so natural to hear on these days

[@plasmoidsound1111]

Trust your instincts an intuition as a sovereign Human individual , stay away from “collective pendulums “

[@rosequartz3525]

@Edwin Jansen u are very smart

[@colinesquire2480]

💯

[@lediableblanc9399]

Faster than enlightenment? -a pet peeve I currently own; things like happy smile, sad depression, free will, spiritual enlightenment, dishonest liar, etc It serves to confuse.

[@jeffreygorrell2111]

This is so terribly delightful....Jamie should be elected as the Pope of this planet....thanks for teaching us not to worship the Pope (metaphorically speaking) but yet that we have the power to channel it within ourselves. Tom Im so grateful that you made this available to the world...possibly one of the most profound conversations I have ever heard.❤🌍🙏☯️

[@savewithstoriesalaska6923]

I appreciate your optimism Tom. Without hope what do we have? I believe love will heal the world and we need to encourage this goal and believe it is possible to make it happen ❤

[@edenlass9062]

Wow! Just mind blowing! I could practically feel my brain growing while listening to this! Whew! 😅

[@bageshwaradhamanubhavreact12]

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[@claybomb1064]

This was an amazing conversation! This was my first exposure to Jamie. Some of the places he went in this talk reminded me of Terrence McKenna. ☮️❤️

[@AngelWest58]

Saint Terence

[@Philusteen]

Jamie Wheal is my mind of the month award winner.

[@Philusteen]

@@smilemor-phony5964 yes, it's tragic to have an opinion , lol - do you bring up irrelevant grievances to people at random regularly, or is it your way of being a trusted news source?

[@TheZGALa]

Beautiful conversation. Thank you both. I am glad you are on this team. Flow states, peak states, community, Unity....let's do this!

[@HumanHealthLink]

The title of the book is epic! Thank you for putting so much thought into the title of your book that it MAKES me want to read it.

[@ElGo10x]

Huge respect from Romania , you have sir a great youtube channel

[@lilamnbdh967]

Wow, what a amazing conversation Tom. Thank you so much.

[@geob3963]

Life always finds an alternative way around obstacles and attempts to control.

[@lisar.2549]

I love how you think Tom, so smart, and now I would like to see you interview some more spiritual types and dive into the soul more.

[@juneelle370]

Me too! 🙌💕

[@janetclark5668]

Agree. He presents a smattering of themes here that aren't new -- pick this idea, pick that one. Plus some interesting but unsatisfying takes on death and rebirth.

[@dandy8308]

@@janetclark5668 might be because he doesn't believe in life after death / the soul etc. Just physical

[@curiousgirl.4134]

I love your interviews Tom and your title captured my attention. I am 56 years old and my friends and I always seem to sit around now and discuss how to help our world move forward correctly. We see the movement, we are all very self aware and we all just want peace and love for all!! The economy priority has gotten out of control in my opinion, this pandemic was a wake up call to the only thing that truly matters is that we are all housed, fed and clothed because all the rest of life is just a bonus in life to keep our minds occupied and from being bored. There is no reason for anyone to be homeless or starving, NO ONE if that is a priority. People should not be allowed to sit and do nothing and collect checks, that just isn’t how people are supposed to be, that isn’t life. Your conversation was amazing and is all that I have pondered especially the talk about sex and procreation because part of our problems is over population and unwanted children etc..super happy to hear this interview and that I am not the only one thinking this way! I am going to buy his book!!!

[@re-thinkthis4880]

My mind is blown on so many levels right now. Much processing is needed. Thank You.

[@tombilyeu9577]

Thanks for the comment, 𝙄 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙞𝙜 𝙄 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙡𝙤𝙫𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙤𝙙𝙪𝙘𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙩𝙤

[@tombilyeu9577]

T.e.x.t m.e

[@tombilyeu9577]

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[@andyzmuda9437]

BEST CONVERSATION I’VE EVER HEARD, AND SO RELEVANT THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING AWESOME AND INSPIRING IN A TIME WHERE WE’RE DRIVING TO THE EDGE OF DESTROYING OUR OWN RACE!! #alwaysleaveroomforgrace

[@niki.ktronsgard8507]

Oh meow! This author is informed, intelligent, and smokin hott. Thank you, great perspective !

[@anabrito720]

Hell ya cutie yummmmy

[@bageshwaradhamanubhavreact12]

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[@RealestDave]

This had to be the most mind-opening, inspiring & entertaining podcast/conversation I have ever hear in the Internet. So glad I accidentally ran into this

[@dlbdlb3919]

You believe in the Easter Bunny , Mother Goose, and Santa Claus ?

[@johnmckitterick]

WOW!!! Best conversation to date, MIND BLOWING!!! Rock on Tom!

[@simonrodriguez4685]

Best interview to Jamie Wheal I have come across. And they all tend to be great. So: outstanding!

[@intellectualkaneabel6378]

“You have to leave space for grace”

[@naz4154]

Jamie wheal and Tom talking is like watching the 2021 version of My Dinner With Andre

[@griffinsdad9820]

Exactly. Tho instead of a sitting in a fancy joint they're at burger king eating value meals

[@dlbdlb3919]

Jamie wheal and Tom talking is like watching the 2021 version of the Honeymooners , Ralph and Ed

[@kal2487]

This is first time I've heard of Jamie. What a fascinating, knowledgeable and seemingly compassionate person. Soul force!

[@follow-jade]

So much wisdom (and solution) in this episode. I want to go back again and again, and take notes about all that’s said here.

[@TheZGALa]

You are inspiring me to bring back the full moon potluck drum jams I used to host... the time is now.

[@TheZGALa]

Batch forgiveness. Yes. Reconciliation parties. I'm on it.

[@ConsueloCastanuela]

I don't look to authority figures...

[@explorationecho2366]

I'm absolutely floored. That was SO MUCH MORE than I signed up for, and I couldn't be more stoked. WOW! What an amazing amount of information to chew on. I bought 4 books and Followed 6 authors and bookmarked a bunch more just from this 1 talk. LOL! Mind blowing. Grabbed Recapture the Rapture of course. ;)

[@repoocrj]

I have been waiting to hear this very conversation! You are bringing up concerns I think about a lot especially as of late... This discussion has had me fascinated! Thank you 🙏

[@CosmicCat23]

Lost me at “the Gates Foundation was well intentioned and well informed”. Interesting talk though with valid perspectives.

[@CosmicCat23]

@E A the history of the Gates foundation and the damage they have done is pretty extreme. He can be wrong on that, but still have other good points. Nothing to do with my opinion.

[@cryptoskywalker1714]

He lost me way before that. He's got some good ideas, and quite a few bad ones. It always astonishes me that rather than try to prove a model on a small society, like a city, state or tiny country, and then try to expand that to find out how large you can make it before it breaks, people have this narcissistic tendency to take a barely working thesis, and expand it to the entire globe. For instance, Washington D.C. is a dump, yet you won't find a Federal Worker that isn't convinced they can run the whole country, and most of the world too. I say get rid of poverty, homelessness, gun violence, etc., in your own city, then come and tell me how smart you are. I guess that kind of troglodyte thinking just makes me an angry male white nationalist, though. If I were sophisticated, I'd know how to form a perfectly functioning cooperative between 8 billion people.

[@rosalbadelriogarcia9598]

*hacking God* is a no go. God is sympathetic to your distress. You too must be sympathetic to his Distress....

[@rosalbadelriogarcia9598]

And people's needs create a creative solution with whatever means or object or new knowledge

[@fredfarmer5952]

And that part about Mandela was a bit of a "Well mentioned device." A bargain was obviously made. Apartheid came down, but the rich whites would retain their wealth and land. (...they threw the poor whites under the bus.) It was easy to see they had Mr. Mandela on a leash he could go only so far on. Not a bad deal... but not the story of altruism we like to think it is.

[@evanhadkins5532]

How Emotions Are Made is really a classification system. There are lots more than four emotions, approaching someone with love or curiosity are different emotionally.

[@brettneuberger6466]

Beautiful conversation. Half way in, I can’t help think of Lao Tzu’s teachings in the Tao Te Ching being part of the solution, if not THE solution, to much of the world’s problems. Jamie’s ideas about thinking globally, and living and thriving locally are spot on with the teachings in that work. His thoughts on allowing room for grace acknowledges synchronicity and the possibility of a higher order of some type. And his ideas about brain states and neurological resets are inline with meditation and self realization. Personally, I think this all comes back to the admonition to know thyself. Rumi’s popular poem says it best. “I have lived on the lip of insanity wanting to know reason, knocking on the door. The door opens, I’ve been knocking on the inside.” The answers to all our “problems” are no further than where we are right now.....and now....and now..... Our job is to quiet our thinking self enough that we’re able to hear what our wise self has to say, which ultimately is nothing. Therein lies the mystery.....and peace.... without understanding.

[@josephpalmer6844]

This was f$&$ing amazing!!! and really made me think. My favorite conversations episode so far I think and something that strained my brain to where I’ll have to come back and re-listen to it a couple times to take what else I can from it!! Good stuff 👏🏼👏🏼

[@anabrito720]

Me too🤓

[@kellyquinn3981]

When Science meets GOD 🙏

[@spacecat5517]

I feel like these two guys could be best friends.

[@bageshwaradhamanubhavreact12]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIa6XoJ9isqLfLc

[@foggycraw6758]

I hope they are

[@pathofshadowstarot]

holy shit! I was literally talking about this idea i had, with my business partner, to build a virtual gallery, and discussion platform, interviewing artists, and opening a collective discussion, for everyone to contribute their viewpoints, using art, music, taboo... and interview the artists, kinbaku, rope technique... we were discussing what the models of growth will look like, and i had this channel running in the background, and... wow... this content is litterally talking about EVERYTHING we have been discussing now for the past hour, i mean, the odds... synchronicity is really messin with me man! Love your show, TOM! I never knew about this author but me and my partner are investing in his books NOW! Recapture the Rapture man, wow!

[@redbull5671]

Thanks Tom and Jamie! You are positively changing my worldview.

[@jamief8836]

I love BOTH of you like you wouldn't believe. My only non agree moment here and it's pretty big is, to NOT admit a degree of corruption or back door deals not happening is absolutely naive at this point. Completely naive. We basically no longer have capitalism. It's all corporatism. And to ignore that a small amount have funneled MOST commodities is absurd at this hour of the game. I am not saying that ALL conspiracy accusations are the TRUTH, but to Completely ignore that their are hands in pockets or that corruption hasn't played a hand is naive. Thank you both for all you do. ❤

[@abraham7966]

True. but for the 1% to win over the 99%, they need to re-brand themselves as the champions of the 99%. Look at Bill Gates. He owns part of Moderna (making billions from their products and convenient global issues), a company that makes Covid tests, 400,000 acres of farm land and counting, flies in private jets and has a massive footprint on the planet through his mansions and his family's wealth and yet he can tell you that you should care about the environment. He owns his own ranch where he eats pure pasture-raised beef but he is owns a lab that is making synthetic meat for our children. See the hypocrisy? Many won't because they got used to defend the rich as a lady told me in another social media "Good for him". Unless we fix this problem, we won't save the planet against the plan the elite has prepared for us.

[@sonyasunheart]

Prophesied times! Choice point , divine alliance plan , Law of One' or little humanity. Children, please, time to grow up , spiral up into ascension. 🙏💜

[@colinesquire2480]

Definitely time for everyone to grow up

[@bradleyforbes7276]

Brilliant!’ Brilliant!! Brilliant!! Best yet Tom!! Loved this!!

[@purnimarelekar7098]

This is so complex. Will have to watch more then once to grasp.

[@UniverseCitizen]

The most important thing a person can do is to get involved in local and national politics. It's truly scary to think that a few dangerous, ignorant and stupid people can form policies that negatively impact our day to day lives.

[@LeFlamel]

But the last thing we need is more stupid and ignorant people getting involved in local/national politics. We need a political system that limits decisions to those that can make them well

[@colinesquire2480]

💯

[@lisar.2549]

Yes!

[@PracticalInspiration]

I can understand concerns but equally don't think we're far enough yet to warrant panic.

[@ConsueloCastanuela]

We're being bombed liked London during WW2, life went on till the bomb alarms went off and everyone dashed fir a shelter. Most are unaware of all the bombs coming in pretty much daily.

[@PracticalInspiration]

@@ConsueloCastanuela true we do need to heed the warning. Listening to this is eye opening

[@rosequartz3525]

@@ConsueloCastanuela what the heck are you talkin about what country are you in that you are being bombed like World War II? It is very peaceful where I live

[@lisar.2549]

@@ConsueloCastanuela ha ha, I get you. Not sure why the others don’t. Keep the faith chica!

[@tomasr64]

please listen to the 1:02 section brah, "we regress under stress".

[@SpiritTracker7]

I must say that this is, in my opinion, one of the most powerful episodes to date. It's jam-packed with tons of thought-provoking alternative perspectives along with companion bio-hack cheat codes. Loved it.. getting the book definitely.

[@vegancolleen]

Healing, connection, inspiration. One of the most healing actions I have taken is to no longer engage with or support, as far as is possible and practicable, the unnecessary, horrendous suffering and killing of sentient beings. The lifting of the considerable weight of cognitive dissonance that I had been carrying for most of my life as a non-vegan was astonishing to me. Becoming vegan brought a measure of peace and even joy that I did not have to be part of this daily atrocity. However the awakening to the reality of the absolute hell that is the life of a factory farmed animal is a 'new' burden to carry, along with the observation of the world's apathy, selfishness and lack of empathy. I cannot see how the kind of empathic community that we so need to even begin to secure a new future can be created or sustained where in it's midst lies the completely unnecessary torture and killing of the most innocent beings among us.

[@555Trout]

Am I wrong to think "science" is a "religion"?

[@RCCarDude]

Science™

[@brownleaf_o1]

They can both be. However the difference is that with science you don't look up to 1 superior being and it's a real studied thing. Do you study at all?

[@555Trout]

@@brownleaf_o1 Are you saying that "science" views religion as an equal?

[@brownleaf_o1]

@@555Trout no why would it

[@555Trout]

@@brownleaf_o1 So are you saying science sees itself above religion in explaining reality?

[@TheDhammaHub]

We have a strong negativity bias as humans that is pretty much hard-wired into our minds.

[@TheDhammaHub]

@Edwin Jansen Following thought experiment: From an evolutionary perspective, would it make sense to get startled by a stick that looks like a snake 99 times? Yes, if it allows us to escape death once. Negativity can be intensified via conditioning, but that does not mean that there is no predisposition

[@TheDhammaHub]

@Edwin Jansen There is a lot of positivity in mankind and a lot more that can be cultivated. There is no contradiction between a negativity bias and self-improvement. A negativity bias is not a sentence to stay the same. It is just an observation that there is a bit more negativity than positivity - and that should be obvious if you observe people... most of them suffer

[@lorilafferty4099]

Not everyone does. If you learn early on to love yourself, work to earn what you want, you're less likely to be an envious person... however, you're also less likely to want to support the world with tax funding / funneling, of you hard earned money..

[@TheDhammaHub]

@@lorilafferty4099 It is true, not everyone is that way, but many many people are^^

[@h____hchump8941]

Finally found the negative comment I've been looking for.

[@Laws_on_design]

Wow best guest ever! Mind FULLY blown and definitely need to re-watch after letting this settle...

[@BaliandbeyondCa]

There are many great teachers in this recent time. Bill Wilson, Dr David Hawkins , Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, Ram Dass, snd many more. Over all he is well informed from an intellectual perspective. Thanks.

[@seanjohal7]

Good vs Evil is a eternity fight. Choose a side and embrace the journey.

[@terri829]

Wow! I cannot thank you enough for this show!! Amazing conversation! Getting information to the people, necessary, more that Ever before!

[@misodinamosa]

This was very impressive. It’s hard to believe I can listen again. Listening to the connection of all these dots is inspiring, thank you!

[@jupiterthesun3217]

20 years ago I accidentally got introduced to a realm that information was everywhere and I was like a sponge that soaked up all I can but even in that state I knew that I couldn’t bring more than one or two back to my normal state but somehow I managed to bring one and that was “ we were never born and we will never die”. It changed my life 360 degree for the better for at least 5 years , those words that literally was my rebirth then has lost its meaning somewhat now but because those words came to me from a different realm I can still get some comfort because the impact of those words got etched into my very soul or my inner sanctum.

[@MrNicong]

"We were never born and we'll never die." Would you elaborate on what this meant to you?

[@Noor-jw2tn]

@@MrNicong If I may add my understanding. Particles of vibrational light in holographic universe. We are the particles. The many facets of the one mind. Nothing unreal exists.

[@therebeccamarie]

I cringe hearing someone claim to have answers yet stays within the construct of system programming. I listened and heard a lot of words that never cracked the surface of what I was hoping to hear about, 'saving humanity'

[@johneisel4902]

I have to agree, Any solution to really change our country, let alone mankind for the better, would certainly be outside of the current narrative and therefore go against youtube guidelines.

[@therebeccamarie]

@@johneisel4902 Bingo

[@Account32548]

WOW. Most relevant content I have seen on Tom or any other show IN YEARS. Jamie has been able to provide the crux of all the vectors we face and he makes it look easy. Can't believe I didn't see this until now.

[@lisatalev]

Amazing! Thank you x infinity, such an important conversation and perspective!! Totally buying his book!!

[@LukeThomasPerth]

Lol i doubt the two of you are gonna be able to offer any real help. What would really help is securing the stability if the family, whatever that might be made up of. Kids/youth have to be supported by their parents, and parents have to stay together to grow well adjusted children who become high functioning, contributing members of society.

[@rosequartz3525]

In your opinion...are u all that? Sometimes it takes sacrifice and suffering to get there. Have you done it have you been successful at it

[@LukeThomasPerth]

@@rosequartz3525 you response is tooo vague. Can you be specific

[@k8tiewarrior539]

I totally agree with you. The children are litter the future. The good and bad of society highly depends on the type of children we are raising today. Yes it does take sacrifices for couple to stay together and be good parents. But staying together is not the major part of the problem. Co-parenting works of both people put the kids as a priority and work together. Sadly, most of us are unconsciously and some consciously selfish. We fail to see the humanity in each other. We face many issues but the neglect of child rearing is definitely one.

[@lisar.2549]

I agree.

[@synewparadigm]

The BLM promote the destruction of the nuclear family.

[@miriamstrauss]

If you found this comment, I wish you peace, success, and wealth! Remember to always be the best version of yourself. I believe in you ❤️

[@jellyrcw12]

The last 10 min are phenomenal.Truly captures how I try to approach life

[@mbarekabbou6376]

Thank you for connecting so many dots 💕

[@MC-ii2in]

To answer the question posed in your title: There IS a savior, and his name is not Jamie Wheal, or Brett Weinstein, or any other of our own ilk.

[@JeffCaplan313]

Praise be to His noodly appendages! 🍝

[@name5702]

Well you can’t just assume your supposed savior is male

[@bonitajanssen745]

“THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM.” The Holy Bible

[@simoneraymond348]

TRUTH

[@wantanamera]

John 4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

[@bonitajanssen745]

@@wantanamera “FEAR GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. “ Jesus Book of Ecclesiastes

[@wantanamera]

@@bonitajanssen745 John 4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. And Jesus has nothing to do with Ecclesiastes, that was Solomon.

[@bonitajanssen745]

@@wantanamera The “Preacher” in the Book of Ecclesiastes is Jesus. “Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it. Please do your research before you state something from the Bible as matter -of-fact.

[@CreationInEmotion]

I’ve been listening to many intellectuals in the past 4 years on daily basis - and I have never been intrigued enough to think: I want that book !!!! But this- this I’m gonna order! It’s spot on as it seams to combine all the subjects that I had a sense are super important into coherent whole. And I have to say - I really dig the dude- with such a nonchalant energy and just sweet realness . Thank you for this

[@4whirledpeas]

The answer has been right in front of us for over a hundred years. Gandhi and Maria Montessori were great admirers of one another. In her interview with Gandhi, around October 9, 1931, Gandhi told Maria that his friends in India say that he should imitate her, and his response to them was not imitation, but to “assimilate the fundamental truth of your method.” Dr. Montessori replied, “I am asking my own children to assimilate the heart of Gandhiji.” Montessori created an applied science that introduces all the great arts and sciences through materialized abstractions ... aligned with the way humans grow and learn. To realize a future of whole and healthy persons, we need to begin at birth.

[@MilaDiamond]

A lot of truth and wisdom here.. but when he talks about Yeshe Tsogial, an apprentice of Padmasambhava, it was all twisted and thus undermined the credibility of other research stated. Padmasambhava was a powerful enlightenment mystic who was exiled from India for using his powers and being a rebel. He came to Tibet and brought the teachings of Buddhism, Mysticism and Tantra with him. Yeshe Tsogial was one of the Tibetan queens in the king’s harem. She was 14 years old when Padmasambhava requested her to be his consort in exchange to teachings he would impart to the king. Yeshe Tsogial studies under Padmasambhava for many years, eventually being named one of the two successors of the Padmasambhava’s lineage and she became a Mother of Tibetan Tantric Buddhism. You can read about her life and work with Padmasambhava in her translated diary called Dakini Teaching, Padmasambhava’s Oral Instructions to Lady Tsogial, published by Shambala in 1990.

[@elycetyler1942]

36:25 THIS - IS - IT: Guest anthropologist lays out 4-Part plan for survival of human culture and functioning society. Mind-blowing ideas here. CULT versus CULTure. From there, he declares an age-old idea: “Everybody worships. The only question is... what?” (Or who/Who.) His response to this ancient question: “If it isn’t something divine and sublime, it is going to eat you alive.”

[@alanhehe4508]

Great content and I appreciate that it wasn't absolutely riddled with ads like some of your videos. Good show!!

[@27boof]

What a fantastic and inspiring conversation. Thank you so much! :)

[@pn5721]

Correction: 2:03:00 Paul (formerly Saul of Tarsus before seeing the Light and being knocked off his 🐴 on the Road to Damascus) was never a tax collector; he was a Pharisee who had been persecuting the Christians. It was Matthew who was the tax collector. I think.

[@solitario779]

tom bilyeu is a good guy with a strange small hole in the middle of he's lips when he is listening to he's guests.

[@griffinsdad9820]

Curious

[@Random-JustAnother]

😆

[@aohamer]

Truly one of my favorite interviews to date 💕 This guy gets it 🙌🏾 Soooo happy his book is on Audible! 🤩 Thanks Tom for having him on 🙏🏾

[@familiadaterra]

Thanks Tom!

[@ConsueloCastanuela]

Without God, we're doomed... I'll listen for a bit...

[@karencardona8581]

🥰

[@adamsprague2606]

Amen sister! God is all you need.

[@defendliberty1289]

What "global culture"?

[@RCCarDude]

It means you can buy anything and have it shipped with minimal cost. Basically you're a consumer, not a citizen.

[@aazablue]

Such an amazing and important conversation!!!

[@emmahardesty4330]

Excellent, thank you. Two things I'd like to hear discussed: Extreme wealth is unnecessary and vulgar; male violence is the opposite of masculine strength.

[@ernestharrison8532]

Talking about passive income and investment, I will go with crypto currency

[@robertwilliams4246]

Bitcoin is the future, investing now in it will be the wisest thing to do especially with the decrease

[@robertwilliams4246]

Exactly, it's really good keeping an expert with years of experience close. Just like I have Mrs Steph Chipres she has made a lot of profits for me.

[@vancleef3016]

This aged like milk