Can We Skip the Parts of the New Testament Not in the Original Manuscripts?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 1186
Transcript: www.desiringgod.org/interview...

[@bryanbridges2987]

Tony, you are a superb host! You never sound awkward, or at a loss for words, instead you speak quickly, punctually and smoothly. You do a really good job.

[@sbag11]

Disappointed. I never heard him answer the actual question about whether or not we should skip these passages.

[@lester--glz6636]

sbag11 his point is if you take out the "later added texts" of the new testament, it would not change any fundamental christian doctrine. So that is your decision to skip it or not.

[@Xiosoranox]

sbag11 He kind of did without being definitive. Basically, those passages have value of their known (e.g. The story of Jesus and the adulteress is the example given), but if you skip them it still doesn't matter, because none of those debates passages have to do with fundamental doctrine, nor do they contradict it. Also, keep in mind that 1. This story does have a message, and 2. God wouldn't allow something into His Word that wasn't true in the first place, or had no value.

[@AnHebrewChild]

Lester- -Glz it changes (at least) one fundamental Christian doctrine: the doctrine of God's preservation of His word. There are more.

[@sebastiancifuentes7575]

Check out his sermon “and neither do I condemn you” he said he breaks down more why he used the text that is in question! Hopefully that helps

[@steve3288]

​@@Xiosoranoxit matters most because that have paved way for the LGBTQ community to challenge Christianity

[@augustine.c8204]

thank you so much for this informative video and all the resources attached :) God bless

[@ericwalker3608]

was that yes or no?

[@lucasmartin9611]

I wonder that too

[@ttimetotroll]

@alan21usa can you go in a bit more deepth in the details? It's my first time hearing that there are other issues in the matter (pardon me pls).

[@randomstufffromachristian2287]

Sounds like he’s saying no we shouldn’t skip them

[@lucasmartin9611]

Hello, You didn't answer the main question, which is in the title of the video. Can we skip those parts? Should we treat the story of the woman caught in adultery as scripture?

[@jaxondabeastz2046]

9:28 goes over the central question

[@robertbutcher222]

What about the parts some versions change? For example, in some versions, part of Esau’s blessing says his dwelling shall be away from the fatness of the earth, some versions like the kjv says the opposite. Many versions, in the verse: “There are three that bare witness in heaven...” don’t say who, they pretty much leave it at that. Some versions actually say who. With all these additions or subtractions as well as the changes between versions, is there one that’s closes to the most accurate. One more thing, without doing tons of research, how can we know what verses were added?

[@OnTheThirdDay]

Check out James White. He knows about this sort of stuff.

[@denvernuggets007]

Nothing should be skip old or new. Everything in the Bible is God breathing. Evil will say it any other way.

[@steve3288]

It's not good to add it because if you do then you must be ready accept the gays as they are and shouldn't judge them. These people knew what they were doing way back now it's having it effect on us today

[@lupelunaluna8835]

This is how we hv a good relationship wit our God an Jesuschrist we read both old an new testaments of God in the bible 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😗😗😗😗😗😗😗😗😗

[@SummerofKittyLove]

That's just another way for unbelievers to excuse themselves from not being convicted or surrendering. It doesn't matter how much fact or proof they get. They will never believe.

[@robi1885]

No you're wrong they're parts in the Bible that have been removed and added to to deceive and lead you astray you must know what they are

[@HoxtonLive]

I have pity on them, specially Muslims, their book was written 200 years after the events based on oral traditions and 600,000 hadith of which estimate 593,000 were rejected by Bukhari. The things recorded in Koran about Christianity especially those in surah 4 are not a true representation of Christianity but a clouded view of an uninformed man of roman Catholicism which itself had a clouded understanding of the text, Martin Luther understood Justification by Faith and Imputation of Righteousness of God to man through belief in Jesus written in Romans chapter 3; first by the 16 century. Their theology condemn them to hell for disbelief but they rely on their own good works to go to heaven. At the end of all this, they're perishing because they reject Jesus.

[@agentmikster44]

I would argue that none of the passages of the entire new testament was "added". The older texts not containing some of these verses were supposedly found in a cave essentially complete. Then if these texts were not added then why were these bibles hidden? "Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." (Deuteronomy 4:1-2) I believe the reason these bibles were hidden was because they were found lacking. I also believe the reason no versions of the complete new testament were found is because they were all used until they were unreadable. Since the KJV Bible as we know it was found in many pieces and separate manuscripts.

[@Cori761]

So did he ever answer the question?

[@nathanp5711]

Not directly or well enough imho. To me it seems that he says because near all scholars agree that textual discrepancies in the manuscripts do not influence doctrine, we can be confident that no historically uncertain passages would contradict what is elsewhere found in the Bible. Therefore he implies we will not be deceived if we read them, and we will not be missing evidence for Christian doctrine if we do not.

[@jamessheffield4173]

Why some have problems with Reasoned eclecticism. I John 5:7 is found in a majority of the Latin, but not the Greek so out it goes. Good will towards men Doxology in Matthew Without cause God manifest in the flesh Are a majority in the Greek but not in the Latin, so out they go The PA and Mark 16:9-20 are a majority in both the Greek and Latin so out they go. Even the “not yet” found in the two of the earliest(P66.P75) in John 7:8 some throw out. If as an orthodox Christian you don't see a problem, what would you see as a problem?

[@vesperitan]

Do NOT trust in the “science of textual criticism,” which John Piper trusts in. “Let God be true, and every man a LIAR.” Our faith must be in Jesus Christ alone. The Holy Spirit will guide you into all TRUTH.

[@jpement]

Dude forgot to answer the question

[@gordonkearney5148]

Absolutely no answer to the question

[@prabhakararaorajarapu429]

yes AMEN

[@HOUSEOFDAVIDPEOPLE]

You have read the gospel of Barnabas then because his gospel claim Jesus did not die on the cross

[@nicolas.pascal]

Just tell the congregation it's not part of scripture and to search more about. Understanding the history of the Bible, the different books, how it was compiled (canonization), the "ranking," and standards of preservation each book has or had can help. Only the Hebrew Torah has no variants, nothing added, or lacking. Spelling, letter shapes, amount of letters, space variants render the whole thing non-kosher and has to be fixed or buried. There's an entire process for checking this. Only trained scribes are allowed to produce kosher Sefer Torahs. The Prophets and Writings are also preserved, but in a different way not in the standard of a Sefer Torah. Sefer Torahs around the world and during during different periods are compared with each other to see if there's been any variations. Only the Samaritan Torah is different, and was rejected by Ezra and the leaders after the Babylonian exile. The NT authors, to begin with, based their quotes on Greek translations instead of the original texts so there will be a bunch of variants at the start. The letters and stories in the beginning were passed down by "scribes" to share with others, but not to add (my opinion) to the established Scriptures which were closed during Ezra's time legally. Later on commentaries from "scribes" were added in thinking they were part of the text and all that. This is partly why the NT has variants, and wasn't given the same standards as the other books.

[@SaintNicholasFan]

He never actually answered the question.. Lol.

[@RailRiderTopFuel]

Well the trouble is we don't have any original new testament manuscripts to check what the original author wrote. We only have later copies. Therefore all we can do is go back to the earliest we have in existence. There are many verses in our Bibles that differ from the earliest copies. You never really answer the question here and seem to ignore the fact that we have no original to fact check our copies from. Lastly, many have studied nothing more than the Bible to become a non-believer. Its a mess and the only way to excuse the problems is t wear blinders. Typically preachers tell nice long stories rather than directly answer a question. They do this because they know deep down they can't truly answer and hope listeners will forget they question by the end of the story. I don't need to redirect onto a Muslim to make myself justified. I meed the Bible to make sense without contradiction

[@MrPatdeeee]

"Can We Skip the Parts of the New Testament Not in the Original Manuscripts?" (Sorry for the VERY long "comment". But I believe it NEEDS to be espoused) Of course you can! IN fact you can skip the entire bible, of any version, if you wish. Here is why: Until the First Book Ever Printed is Gutenberg's Bible in Latin came about; the masses of Christians had NO written bible. Thus they had to rely on mouth to mouth or*... What about this verse: John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. Also: Until 1526 AD: William Tyndale's New Testament; The First New Testament printed in the English Language came about; those who spoke only English had NO way to read a bible. Further... ...Also: in 1535 AD: Myles Coverdale's Bible; printed The First Complete Bible printed in the English Language (80 Books: O.T. 39 & N.T. 27 & Apocrypha). The "Apocrypha" (14 books) was in ALL Bibles until after 1846 AD (which had 80 books). Even the Illuminated Bible; The Most Lavishly Illustrated Bible printed in America had 80 books ("A King James Version, with All 80 Books"). After this book was printed, ALL bibles had only 66 books. (39 OT and 27 NT) WHY?. And it is still unto this day. Sad! I said all of the above; to say this: MOST Christians all over the world down through history; relied on mouth to mouth or*...to learn about Jesus, etc. But..Billions of Christians never heard about Jesus, etc. So HOW in the "Pluperfect Hallelujah" did they become Born Again? Huh? Easy. It ALL happened though the Holy Spirit "talking to their hearts, souls and minds"; AND they would answer back through their "heart, minds and soul". Oh indeed! Believe it or not. Thus NO one NEEDS a bible to become a Born Again Christian. Believe it or not. But you could read it if you wish; But be very careful. For... * There is NO learning tool; that could come close to what the Holy Spirit can give you instantly. Especially if you pray sincerely to Jesus; and ask Him for wisdom, understanding and the truth. Oh yes! It Works beautifully. GAR-OWN-TEED! End of Story and I rest me case... ...In any case, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!

[@DixieDee]

Amen! It makes for a much more profound relationship with Jesus; when one realizes they don't have to be strapped to a "book"; and can rely solely on Him!

[@opindras.bangerh129]

NO YOU CANNOT skip parts of the New Testament or any other passage of scripture in the Bible. It's in there for a reason! Shame on you John for following the way of these "modern textual critics" you are blind leading the blind!! Better people than us responsible for giving us the English Bible KJV today would disagree with you. I feel so sorry for this poor Christian Lady lead astry with this pathetic and irrelevant reply to part of her question. Bibles that have John 8 - the Adulteress Woman: Wessex Gospels 1175 (difficult to follow, though a few words like Moyses in verse 5 = Moses, are familiar) The John Wycliffe Bible 1382 William Tyndale Bible 1534 Coverdale Bible 1535 Matthew's Bible 1537 The Great Bible 1539 Geneva Bible 1560/1559 Bishop's Bible 1568 The KJV Bible 1611

[@opindras.bangerh129]

Bart Erhman is not really the problem, the problem lies with the likes of James White and Dan Wallace. James White said he would not preach of the woman caught in adultery. Shame on him, so HE gets to decide on what should be or should not be in the Bible. Dan Wallace said I quote: ... I don't think we can be confident that we have ever arrived at the definitive text in every particular, I don't think we are going to know that this side of heaven.... but what we can be confident of is, this is not affecting any essential Christian belief..." So 2000yr from Christ and even older if he is referring to the Old Testament and in his opinion he can't be sure if we have God's (inspired) word or not. I'm glad his not my Pastor. Sounds like BLIND LEADING THE BLIND! Some people think so much of themselves and their opinion.

[@johndevisser3318]

Your confidence shouldn't be in the bible but in Christ in you who is the true word. Believing in Christ is not believing in ink and paper

[@BlueGrovyle]

How is faith in Christ possible if you don't affirm the accounts of Him that claim He was God?

[@malarkey_detected]

​@@BlueGrovylethe scriptures do not claim Jesus was God.

[@lupelunaluna8835]

No we cnt skip the old or new testaments of God it all the holy bible we need to understand it alllllll i dnt skip my Jesuschrist for ntin he is my lord an saver for ever 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@oneeyedcat6373]

Lupe luna Luna I don't think you understand what this video is about. It isn't about whether we should skip the Old Testament! I agree with you, both the Old Testament and the New Testament is important to get a full picture of who God is! Our contemporary English New Testament is translated from a collection of Ancient Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Some of the older manuscripts don't have some verses in them that are in newer ones. Eg the last part of John 7 isn't in the oldest manuscripts that have been found. So the question is were they added later or is the older manuscript just incomplete?

[@lupelunaluna8835]

Kjirstnne Jensen well i no ther is more to the word of our Father God more books but God gather the books he was goin to gather an made the holy bible for all earthly people that belive in God which is call the Holybible an ther is wer i got save i no ther r other books in ther is more in the Holy word of God i got save in nov of 1990 awsome sims like today yesterday everday lol lol once ur a child od God u will allway b a child of God lol 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@mikebarnes7734]

The whole N.T. seems to be an unreliable record of Jesus and the religion that was derived from his teachings and crucifixion. No scriptures were written until long after his departure. Paul who, never met Christ, seems to have decided the theology of Christianity. He had a very dubious history which i included a most improbable conversion. . Nevertheless, his literature was first to be drafted, followed by many gospels which were penned late into the first century. To cite any of this documentation as compelling evidence is a stretch of the imagination. There is a gap of about eighteen years in Christ's biography from the age of about twelve to thirty. And his apparent physical ascension into the sky, appears to be a very unlikely explanation as to how he escaped from Judea having been revived from his apparent execution. But what is most troubling about the religion of Christianity is the dichotomy that exists between the personality of Jesus and that of Paul: a Mystic and a theologian and religious leader.

[@jesuschrististruth3731]

If you have a copy of the Nestle-Aland 27th edition, open the book and read what they tell us in their own words on page 45 of the Introduction. Here these critical Greek text editors tell us about how the Greek New Testament (GNT, now known as the UBS) and the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece grew together and shared the same basic text.In the last paragraph on page 45 we read these words: "The text shared by these two editions was adopted internationally by Bible Societies, and FOLLOWING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE 👉VATICAN👈 AND 👉THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES👈 IT HAS SERVED AS THE BASIS FOR NEW TRANSLATIONS AND FOR REVISIONS MADE UNDER THEIR SUPERVISION. THIS MARKS A SIGNIFICANT STEP WITH REGARD TO INTERCONFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS. IT SHOULD NATURALLY BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS TEXT IS A WORKING TEXT: IT IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AS DEFINITIVE, BUT A STIMULUS TO FURTHER EFFORTS TOWARDS DEFINING AND VERIFYING THE TEXT of the New Testament." This underlying greek text that is used for your New Bible Versions. Wake up John Piper, wake up!! Go back to the king james bible.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

Christians have already skipped Jesus entire plan of Salvation. Might as well skip some more!

[@simsalamia]

Women should stop asking questions...

[@clintmclintock]

You should stop being misogynist.

[@simsalamia]

You should stop being a bitch

[@Itzlrigo]

haha wtf

[@BNSFGuy4723]

@@simsalamia shame on you. How is calling them a curse word a sign of a saved person? If you are a misogynist, that's not biblical at all. I strongly suggest repenting and putting your trust in Christ