Can You PROVE the Marian Dogmas Using the Bible? (w/ William Albrecht and Fr. Christiaan Kappes)

Few things divide Protestants and Catholics more than the role of Mary. In this clip, I ask two Catholic experts on Mary where you can find the Marian dogmas just using the Bible.
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[@annmary6974]

I had struggled with Marian dogmas most part of my life, but the more I got closer to the Lord, I started going to mass daily, confessing more frequently and praying more fervently.... somewhere along the way, the Lord helped me overcome my scepticism about his mother...It was his grace and I am soo thankful to the Lord for Mary, my mother❤️

[@HillbillyBlack]

Does it not seem odd that the current established 4 Marion dogmas are listed in The Protoevangelium of James and Pseudo-Matthew which is rejected by the Roman Catholic church?

[@bestpossibleworld2091]

Even as an Evangelical Protestant I noticed some very striking things going on in Luke 1. First, Elizabeth and Zechariah are reported to be "blameless before the Lord." This seems out of synch with Protestant theology. How could it be that two individuals--before Christ was born--were blameless to God? Then Luke tells us that John the Baptist was "full of the Holy Spirit" in the womb. That seems very puzzling. Again, how can this be so? The whole narrative thrust of the passage seems to be building to Mary and the annunciation with miraculous things happening along the way.

[@eucharistislife8439]

Dr Brant Pitre's explanation on Jesus' New Exodus and Mary's role as the New Arc of the Covenant might give you clarity. Also his explanation on the Immaculate Conception and the Queenship of Mary is very helpful

[@igor.michael]

And to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. JOHN 19:27 This comes directly from our LORD and SAVIOUR on the Cross. The central question is: Are you a desciple of CHRIST? If GOD Chose Holy Mother Mary to be HIS Mother, who are we to question GOD? Most Holy Theotokos you are whorthy all the love. Ave Maria ✝️

[@saramolina8911]

1. You can be a sinner and blameless even before Christ. Cause people of the old testament also followed Christ in figures. The same with the holy spirit. With Christ after his sacrifice this is easier

[@bestpossibleworld2091]

@@saramolina8911 In regard to your point #1, please note what Luke 1 states: Luke 1:6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. Now, it states they observed "ALL the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly." Notice there is no mention of "faith." They "observed" (i.e. did) the commands and decrees of God. Now according to standard Evangelical theology this is impossible and violates St. Paul's statement in Romans 3 that "there is no one righteous, no not one." Hence, an accurate reading of the text of Luke 1 does not correlate with what you are thinking and stating. You are greatly underestimating the implications of Luke's statement. Secondly, in the New Testament to be "filled with the Spirit" is an admonition to Christians (Ephesians 5) to seek after and participate in. However, in Luke 1, John the Baptist is declared "filled with the Holy Spirit" from his mother's womb. There is nothing he does to merit or warrant this. It is an act of God from first to last.

[@saramolina8911]

@@bestpossibleworld2091 Elizabeth and Zechariah were abiding to the law, that doesn't disagree with good Protestantism How where they doing it? By their own merits of by faith? Of course by faith. This agrees with good Protestantism too They being righteous does not contradict romans 3 as both were sinners at one time in their lives. Once sinners now not sinners with the help of God by Grace and through faith. So all this agrees with Protestantis The observation of the law comes by faith. Read Roman 6 to 8

[@josephjude1290]

I think it's the wrong question. The Bible is not like a Qur'an. It's the Church of the Living God the pillar and ground of the truth.

[@keithjourdian6116]

Scripture has greater authority than tradition. Jesus and the apostles appealed to Scripture very often when they keep saying "It is written. . .", sometimes to even combat the traditions of the times.

[@marcellferdinand1249]

The scripture came from the church, not the church from the scripture

[@cxoot]

The church collected & selected the books that constitute the Bible. Without the church there would be no Bible as we know it today. Everyone takes the Bible for granted, not knowing its origin... they think it just dropped down from heaven.

[@petethepeg2]

So true ......" in the beginning was the church,......"

[@jenex5608]

False the scripture existed before the church

[@marcellferdinand1249]

@@jenex5608 new testament are written by Catholics

[@petethepeg2]

Ah let me quote the true scripture! "In the beginning was the word ..." I'm glad you spotted that error !!👍😊

[@faithwisdom788]

Scripture itself is tradition.

[@tajjune103]

@Aaron Slifka yes, it's part of tradition but it's truth. The marian dogmas are pagan mythologies added into tradition but not true.

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@@tajjune103 The scripture says that Jesus' Holy Church; that He promised not to be overcomed by Hell is the one He gave to St Peter; the Catholic Church; St Peter became the first pope. And those marian dogmas are catholic dogmas

[@tajjune103]

@Aaron Slifka no the "new Eve" is the church because we're a new humanity betrothed to the new Adam. As for the Ark of the Covenant, Christian's are supposed to be the Ark of the Covenant because the blood of Christ our sacrifice is sprinkled on us and we hold the Holy Spriti aka the presence of God.

[@tajjune103]

@@carolusaugustussanctorum the marian dogmas are why I'm not Catholic. Add to that the Church isnt an institution... it's a body of believers who have been called out of the world. Christ promises the hell will not prevail against true believers through persecution or false doctrine... but true believers can apostasize.

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@@tajjune103 ??? Yeah You should; It's the Holy Church Jesus founded promised, and makes himself present, (St Peter became the first pope).

[@edwardhall2067]

Another excellent discussion! I'm an Orthodox catechumen reading the Orthodox Study Bible, in which the Old Testament is taken from the St. Athanasius Academy Septuagint, Psalm 131:8 (Ps. 132:8 in Masoretic text-based versions), and it reads: "Arise, O Lord, into Your rest, You and the ark of Your holiness." As a lifelong Protestant (66 years!) coming into the Orthodox Church, I am being daily blessed by the ever virgin Mother of our God. I was raised to greatly respect the virgin Mary, but unfortunately did not receive true teaching about her and really feel the cavalier approach toward the blessed Theotokos is shameful. How must our Lord Jesus Christ feel about us sinners casually treating His human mother as if she was really just an average mother. She gave birth to God the Word and I am now learning to truly love and appreciate her! She is indeed the Champion Leader of our faith!!!

[@TheT122]

Catholic by tradition and faith❤️ Love my espiritual mother Mary🙏 at the end of the day you believe or you don't, some people are just not open and need everything to be with details in the bible. I my self not very intelectual in theology and all that stuff, but I believe in God, the church and my blessed mother🙏📿 also love praying the rosary.

[@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus]

That's why your lost. You don't open your Bible wich teaches to believe in God and Jesus , but you believe in "god" the church and Mary , you will never find the truth by hearing a priest, you won't learn the truth of God without reading the scriptures daily

[@PaxMundi118]

@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus You can read the Scriptures many times a day and still interpret them foolishly, selfishly or just inaccurately. That is why you need Sacred Tradition and the Church. If you reject Mary as Theotokos, you are denying the plain teaching of Holy Scripture, the Ecumenical Councils and Christ himself, as both human and Divine.

[@PaxMundi118]

Your judgemental and unhelpful tone leads me to believe that, rather than share wisdom, you are speaking blind condemnation.

[@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus]

@Hugh Egerton you know for a fact that it is impossible to teach all the wicked Marian doctrine from plain reading of the scriptures

[@PaxMundi118]

@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus First of all, you are wrong. All the Marian dogmas (not just doctrines) can find material sufficiency in Scripture. You are only using the hysterical word 'wicked' because you have never bothered to look into it. You are an unread anti-Catholic. All smoke, but no fire. Let's be honest from now on, please... More importantly, where in Holy Scripture does it say that all doctrines can be found from a 'plain reading' of the Bible? It doesn't. I challenge you to quote a verse or a passage or anything. You won't find it, by the way. Not only does the Bible not command us to stick to plain readings only, we cannot even know what Scripture is without the Catholic Church, who canonized the books in the Bible. No plain reading will tell us that Hebrews is God-breathed. This plain reading insistence is a Protestant tradition, a false tradition of man, of which Christ warns us against. Christ is angered by those who act as authorities and impose unfair burdens. We are bound by the Word of God, not human traditions. Let me ask you this question (and please answer): it is a Marian dogma that Mary is Theotokos, the Mother of God. If she wasn't the Mother of God, who was she the mother of?

[@lishmahlishmah]

_“Tail-foremost arguments”_ 😇 "What is any man who has been in the real outer world, for instance, to make of the everlasting cry that Catholic traditions are condemned by the Bible? It indicates a jumble of topsy-turvy tests and tail-foremost arguments, of which I never could at any time see the sense. The ordinary sensible sceptic or pagan is standing in the street (in the supreme character of the man in the street) and he sees a procession go by of the priests of some strange cult, carrying their object of worship under a canopy, some of them wearing high head-dresses and carrying symbolical staffs, others carrying scrolls and sacred records, others carrying sacred images and lighted candles before them, others sacred relics in caskets or cases, and so on. I can understand the spectator saying, “This is all hocus-pocus”; I can even understand him, in moments of irritation, breaking up the procession, throwing down the images, tearing up the scrolls, dancing on the priests and anything else that might express that general view. I can understand his saying, “Your croziers are bosh, your candles are bosh, your statues and scrolls and relics and all the rest of it are bosh.” But in what conceivable frame of mind does he rush in to select one particular scroll of the scriptures of this one particular group (a scroll which had always belonged to them and been a part of their hocus-pocus, if it was hocus-pocus); why in the world should the man in the street say that one particular scroll was not bosh, but was the one and only truth by which all the other things were to be condemned? Why should it not be as superstitious to worship the scrolls as the statues, of that one particular procession? Why should it not be as reasonable to preserve the statues as the scrolls, by the tenets of that particular creed? To say to the priests, “Your statues and scrolls are condemned by our common sense,” is sensible. To say, “Your statues are condemned by your scrolls, and we are going to worship one part of your procession and wreck the rest,” is not sensible from any standpoint, least of all that of the man in the street." G.K. Chesterton - The Catholic Church and Conversion (1926)

[@lishmahlishmah]

@@gk7754 Well, ... Chesterton is Chesterton! 😁 Your nick is "G K" ... Maybe you are a fan of G.K. Chesterton... Anyway, if you don't know him, just check - The Everlasting Man - Heretics - Orthodoxy In the U.S. you have a great Chesterton Society!! 👍

[@c.a.200]

The Apostle of Common Sense ❤️

[@adamsmith4195]

Paul writes 13 books of theology and never mentions a role for Mary in our salvation.

[@GospelSimplicity]

I find this quite intriguing

[@levantino4704]

Mary saves us by virtue of her prayers, just like I could save my unbelieving wife

[@donquixote8462]

​@@levantino4704 But talking to Mary to ask her for prayers is necromancy, because she is a human being who has passed on. Jesus Christ is the Mediator between God and man. You need not, nor should you, pray to anyone else. What an affront to God to imply that He is not good enough to answer all your prayers directly or that He somehow cannot because He's too busy. This is what happens when you elevate "church" above God.

[@levantino4704]

@@donquixote8462 1 John 5:11 , Luke 20:36 , John 11:25 , John 11:26. I as my wife's husband will be accountable for how I treat her and how I played my role in her salvation, am I saving her by my own means? Of course not, but this is the language that is used. The only mediator between man and God is our Lord Jesus Christ, this is for our salvation, but the saints and the church can pray to our Lord Jesus Christ for us. The verses show that though they're dead, they live and share the same Holy Spirit as us, They Are Christians! ...if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15

[@levantino4704]

@@vazgl100 you're misquoting Holy Scripture, do not do that. Also when you do quote it, make sure you have the proper context. And the context is certainly not given by a modern scholar, rather by the Church.

[@lupusdivinorum4673]

Some icons on the shelf, well done, brother!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Haha I wondered if anyone would notice that

[@hei7586]

@@GospelSimplicity Yes, I did too.

[@jeremiahong248]

Catholics honour Mother Mary because 1. She is the Mother of Jesus, our Lord and deserves our respect. 2. Her role in our salvation is foretold in Genesis 3:15 when God told the Devil And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." She is the only human being whom God has chosen for His plan to save the fallen human race - Jesus has to be born as a Man to have a lasting binding New Covenant with God as all other Covenants were broken. To be born as a man, Jesus needs to be born of a woman. Mary is obedient to God and said yes. She didn't ask for God's plan. I would and how shall my life be impacted. Who will take care of me when I grow old. Mary trusted God but a sword pierced her heart Luke 2:35 when Jesus was crucified. She gave Jesus his human DNA. So whilst Jesus did the saving, Mary was instrumental in out salvation. If Mary didn't said yes, and some other woman did, then we will honour this other woman none the lesser. 3. As Jesus is the King of Kings, Mother Mary is the Queen Mother. Just as Bathsheba interceded for the king's subjects in 1 Kings 2:19 When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat down at his right hand. Mother Mary Mary intercedes for all of us. Reference the Wedding at CanaJohn 2 : 1 to 12 when Christ performed His first miracle, even though He initially said it wasnt His time yet. Mother Mary didn't tell Jesus what to do but directs the servants to Jesus, just as she directs us now to Jesus. The focus and glory is always in Jesus. Intercession proves that the final decision and call still lies with God and Mary is not a deity. 4. God killed Uzzah in 2 Sam 6:6 to 7 for touching the Ark of the Old Covenant : When they came to the threshing floor of Nakon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord’s anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down, and he died there beside the ark of God. Despite doing a good deed by stabilising a falling Ark, Uzzah was deemed unworthy and to have defile the Ark. The Ark of the old Covenant carried the Word of God in stone. Mother Mary carried the Word of God in flesh. She is thus sinless as she had to carried the Living Word of God in her womb for 9 months. Uzzah was struck dead by a mere touch. What's more 9 months of pregnancy? Thus we honour Mother Mary for carrying the Living Word of God. The sacredness and holiness of the Old Ark was evident by Uzzah's slaying, what's more the New Ark which is carrying Jesus. 5. Jesus the King of Kings bestowed Queenship on His mother Rev 12 :1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. This woman is Mary because she is in heaven where God is. The only human being God will allow Queenship in heaven is Jesus's mother - the Queen Mother of the King of Kings. This woman is not the Church as some Protestants claim because in subsequent verses.Rev 12 : 2 to 5 this woman gave birth to a son which will rule all nations and whom the devil wanted to harm but couldn't. The only human that can stand up to the devil is Jesus. REV 12 : 2 to 5 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne 6. We honour Mother Mary because we are grateful to her for saying Yes to God, when she was still an unmarried woman but had to bear Jesus, thereby being instrumental in the human race's salvation. 7. We honour Mother Mary because she was obedient to God and is our model of ideal discipleship. She didn't ask for God's detail operation plan, what's going to happen to her when she is found pregnant in old conservative Jewish society, how to answer to Joseph when he found out she is pregnant before their marriage, how is Mary going to live on financially if Joseph divorce her, what role is her son going to undertake etc. Nothing. No details needed. No assurances needed. Just a simple yes to God. And God is pleased with faithful disciples just as He is pleased with Abraham for his faithfulness. For these reasons, Mother Mary deserves our honour - just as how the Early Church honours her for 1500 years till the Reformation. The Orthodox Christians who broke away from the Catholic Church honours Mother Mary. Martin Luther, the Father of the Protestant Reformation loves Mother Mary, honours her and prays the rosary. The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart. (Sermon, September 1, 1522). [She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ. ..She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531). No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation. 1537). One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God's grace.. .Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ...Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521). Luther goes even further, and gives the Blessed Virgin the exalted position of "Spiritual Mother" for Christians, much the same as in Catholic piety: It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother, Christ is his brother. God is his father. (Sermon. Christmas, 1522) Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees...If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529). Catholics honour Mother Mary but we believed that Christ is still the only mediator with God. Christ and Christ alone.

[@tajjune103]

Protostants don't pray to Mary or serve her in devotion, because that's simply idolatry. We however honor her because she was a good woman, and we should honor good people.

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@@tajjune103 No, all servants served their kings/queens through out history and it wasn't idolatry. Idolatry means workship other thing that isn't God. ←Know that before saying nonsenses

[@jeremiahong248]

@@tajjune103 Prayer is a form of communication. Praying to Mary is communicating with her. This is no idolatry. Luther the father of Protestantism pray to Mary and prayed the rosary. He loved Mary. Unfortunately this is lost on most of Protestants nowadays.

[@lol-id1dl]

In apocalipsis also says that the dragon not being able to go after her child, went then after her other children which are the ones that keep the commandments of God. What it is saying there is what the Catholic faith teaches, Mary mother of all Christians. Read it, it is in the bible! Very clear to understand.

[@kilemyers784]

@@jeremiahong248 Is Mary all knowing and all present? Can she hear you from heaven?

[@HosannaInExcelsis]

Outstanding summary.

[@GratiaPrima_]

This was great! Genuinely learned a thing or two ☺️. I’ll also add, if it’s true that Mary was conceived without original sin and stayed faithful, and you also believe “for by one man sin entered the world, and death by sin” then there would be no need for Mary to die. Ergo, assumption (not ascension of her own power, though).

[@kyrptonite1825]

Mary could have Died, then been Resurrected, then Assumed, since the Mother of God is not as great as the Son. Kind of like how the Church will be Resurrected in the future.

[@lowkeytheology]

Great video very informative

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad it was helpful!

[@abelmendoza2236]

really good explanation!

[@merynco]

Revelation 12:1 Read about how Juan Diego described Mary.

[@lishmahlishmah]

1) Can you PROVE (all) the "Bible Dogmas" using the Bible? 2) Can you PROVE *the Bible* is a Dogma by using... What? What do you use to prove that the Bible is the "true book" of Christian people? 3) Where in the Bible does it say that the Bible should include all those books? (I mean: number and titles of the sacred Books. How many books AND which books?)

[@faithwisdom788]

Just wondering by your username and glance at your page. Are you jewish? 🙂

[@lishmahlishmah]

@@faithwisdom788 No, but I love Jews for obvious reasons 😊 . I have been studying the Hebrew Bible (in original language) and the Jewish sources for years. (about 7 years now). For about 20 years I have been studying books by Protestant, Jewish and Catholic scholars. Now, I am _fully_ Catholic thanks to Jewish people, Protestant people and Catholic people. The only subject I wasn't able to study enough... has been the English language, due to lack of time. So, please forgive my poor English; I can read everything but I can't write very well. I am Italian and I live in Italy. Thank you for your interest.

[@jonathanbohl]

Excellent questions! :)

[@faithwisdom788]

@@lishmahlishmah Thank you for your reply 🙂

[@hermelyncrespo7100]

@@lishmahlishmah Well your english is not poor.

[@johnnyd2383]

Eastern Orthodox Church does NOT need to prove anything to anyone. It is Church's way or highway. Simple.

[@AprendeMovimiento]

You must understand who Saint Mary is through scriptures, the relationship between her and the ark of the covenant, the relationship between her and the image of Eve, if you don't learn to see the why of God's decision for coming into the world through a specific person in a specific manner then no dogma will make sense to you. Saint Mary the Mother of God made it to the Apostles Creed, no apostle made it but she did. In the realm of creation she is the most exalted creature since she is the only created being that contained the living word of God inside of her, the old ark of the covenant only had the word in stone yet she had the word made flesh, but you somehow don't get how important is the role of the living ark of the covenant...

[@veniceangelidelacruz2988]

Indeed!

[@Larry_Apodaca]

Great content. Thank you for your authentically gentle spirit, open mind, and heart for God young man. As a practicing catholic I always enjoy your videos. Marian dogmas and traditions aside I thank Abba for all those who keep me pointed toward and lifted up to Him. I walk in gratitude for all our intercessors and advocates from our Lord, His most Holy Spirit, our blessed mother, the saints and my brothers and sisters on earth and in heaven. God knows I need all the help I can get, lol. Peace, Joy but most of all Love in the Name of Christ!

[@hymnsake]

A “no” would have sufficed.

[@ertlk24]

So many things can be said here: without a written and defined New Testament (NT) in the early centuries of the Church, the early Church Fathers (Ignatius, Irenaus, Origen, Ambrose, Augustine, to name a few) looked to the Old Testament (OT) and saw how the "NT lies hidden in the OT and the OT is made manifest in the NT" through the life of Christ. As Jesus said: " I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill the Law." Mt 5:17, and Luke 24: Jesus opened their minds to the OT (Moses, Prophets and Psalms) and how the OT Scriptures are fulfilled in him...Paul records that Jesus is a new Adam (Romans 5:14, 1 Cor. 15:45) If there is a new Adam, there should also be a new Eve and a new Creation (Gen1-2/John1-2). Mary is the new Eve, new Ark of the Covenant (Luke 1-2, 2nd Samuel 6, Rev 11:19-12), the new Queen Mother (I kings 2, Jeramiah 13:18, 2 Chron. 15:16, the queen mother of the King of the Jews, John 19:19, John 19: 26-27, Rev 12:1; Mary the Queen Mother of the King of the Jews) of the Davidic King; Jesus (John 19:26, Rev 12:17). Mary is Mother of God: according to the flesh: not mother of the Trinity, but mother of the 2nd person of the Trinity, who became man (a divine person), born of a woman. Mary is the Immaculate Conception: saved before she fell, by her divine son who created her: the only son who was able to create his mother. Ever-Virgin: The virgin will conceive AND bear a son: Emmanuel; God with us (Is: 7:14/MT : 1:23). The OT holds the keys to unlock the mysteries of the NT...we have to be attentive to the Written Word of God to see how it applies to the Eternal and Incarnate Word of God: Jesus, the Christ

[@eddiy335]

Anyone that claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ and disrespects his mother gets a side-eye from me.

[@keithjourdian6116]

"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:50. Jesus gives no special distinction to his mom. Mary is one of us and calls God her own savior and Jesus even corrects his own mother Mary at times. Mary is not omniscient and can't hear our prayers. Jesus and apostles teach us to pray to God alone.

[@SchulmanGary]

Nobody’s disrespecting, Mary she obviously is special because she was picked to bring the son of God into the world in the flesh. However, exulting Mary to God level is ludicrous and also a sin repent for your sins and come to Christ.

[@lonewulf44]

I would agree, I would never disrespect Mary, but I also wouldn't make tremendous assumptions on clear interpretations to create widespread dogma in the church. It's one thing for people to have their own interpretations of some of the scriptures, and even respect church tradition or history, but things like the assumption of Mary are so lacking any real foundation and yet it's a requirement the church. It's not disrespectful to simply say this is what we know about Mary, we're not going to create and elevate her beyond what we know.

[@SearchingTheArchives]

Which Bible translation do William and Father Christiaan prefer?

[@catholicdoctrine]

Hopefully the Douay Rheims and not the new versions riddled with errors

[@colbykoenig4270]

I'm a little late, but I'm wondering where you are at in your journey Austin. Are you going to become Catholic? Do you believe Mary is perfect? :)

[@GospelSimplicity]

I don't believe Mary is perfect. I don't currently think I'm becoming Catholic, but I'm open to being wrong

[@elenihelenmelb]

Another prophet confirms Virgin Mary's perpetual virginity, as he says: “When he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looked towards the east, it was shut. Then the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, 10 it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it, because the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it, therefore it shall be shut. It is for the prince; the prince himself shall sit in it...” This sealed eastern gate is a figure of Blessed Theotokos (Virgin Mary) perpetual virginity. For the Lord alone entered her womb, and this gate was never opened to another; its seals were not broken. In this effect the Coptic Church sings the following hymn: “Ezekiel witnessed and told us: I have seen an eastern gate. The Lord, the Saviour entered it, (2) and it remains shut as it was before”. EZEKIEL 44:1-3 Early Apocryphal Documents There are three early apocryphal documents, of the second century, affirming Blessed Evervirgin Mary’s perpetual virginity: 1. In “the Ascension of Isaiah” we read that, “her womb (1) was found the same as before she had conceived”. 2. According to the “Odes of Solomon”, she travailed and (2) brought forth a son without incurring pain. 3. The “protoevangelium of James” relates that a woman called Salome “made trial of Blessed Virgin Mary’s virginity soon (3) after Jesus’ birth”.

[@elenihelenmelb]

Another prophet confirms Virgin Mary's perpetual virginity, as he says: “When he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looked towards the east, it was shut. Then the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, 10 it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it, because the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it, therefore it shall be shut. It is for the prince; the prince himself shall sit in it...” This sealed eastern gate is a figure of Blessed Theotokos (Virgin Mary) perpetual virginity. For the Lord alone entered her womb, and this gate was never opened to another; its seals were not broken. In this effect the Coptic Church sings the following hymn: “Ezekiel witnessed and told us: I have seen an eastern gate. The Lord, the Saviour entered it, (2) and it remains shut as it was before”. EZEKIEL 44:1-3 Early Apocryphal Documents There are three early apocryphal documents, of the second century, affirming Blessed Evervirgin Mary’s perpetual virginity: 1. In “the Ascension of Isaiah” we read that, “her womb (1) was found the same as before she had conceived”. 2. According to the “Odes of Solomon”, she travailed and (2) brought forth a son without incurring pain. 3. The “protoevangelium of James” relates that a woman called Salome “made trial of Blessed Virgin Mary’s virginity soon (3) after Jesus’ birth”.

[@garyworth6046]

1. Let's bear in mind that in Luke, at the Annunciation, Gabriel begins by saying, "Hail, full of grace....the Lord is with you....blessed are you among women....." This is scripture, and it is also the Hail Mary prayer. So, those who subscribe to sola scriptura should be saying the Hail Mary prayer, like, routinely. 2. Where would we all be if Mary, upon seeing Gabriel, was scared, fled, yelling "Begone! Evil spirit! Away!" Well, we'd really be up the creek, wouldn't we? 3. So, it is obvious that our salvation began with the Hail Mary, and is integral to Mary and the response of her free will to God. Given all this, why doesn't all Christendom revere Mary, and not just Catholics? Not to mention the objective events of Fatima, Lourdes, Guadeloupe. Seems fairly obvious to thinking people......

[@LadyMaria]

Orthodox revere the Theotokos too. Of course we are Catholics, just not Roman Catholics. :) We don't believe in those apparitions though.

[@garyworth6046]

@@LadyMaria You are so, so correct. Roman Catholics say the rosary, and I see many ex-Catholics, like Episcopalians, saying the rosary. It is a wondrous, holy custom and prayer which is mostly Hail Marys. (Available to all!) Thanks for responding and clarifying. My comment was geared towards protestants.

[@LadyMaria]

@@garyworth6046 We don't pray it except very few who are former Roman Catholics usually. We pray the Jesus Prayer with the prayer rope.

[@garyworth6046]

@@LadyMaria That's fine. An Orthodox friend told me about the Jesus Prayer in the past year. The Catholic Church knows about it but it is not used too much, so I did not know about it. It is a wonderful prayer and I immediately incorporated it into my own evening prayers, saying it several times each session. I always tell people to not stop any of their prayers but always be open to incorporating solemn prayers from others into your own prayers. I would even consider using a protestant prayer if it was solemn, but I know of none except the Lords Prayer. So, I ask you to consider adding a Hail Mary into your prayer routine. It is a powerful prayer and helps one to get closer to Mary. She is a champion intercessor for us with the Lord when we pray to her. Don't lose out by ignoring it. God Bless!

[@LadyMaria]

@@garyworth6046 We have the Angelic Salutation aka Hail Mary as part of our Small Compline (3x) and night prayers (1x)! "Theotokos Virgin, Rejoice, Mary full of grace the Lord is with you, Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb for you have borne the Savior of our souls." God bless!

[@gheel]

Okay I'm trying to play along at home and I don't understand the Luke/Judges parallel he's trying to relay in regards to the perpetual virginity. Can someone explain what he means here?

[@wonderingpilgrim]

I was confused as well. I rewound it several times to make sure of what he was saying: "Luke 1:38 of Judges" ??!! Perhaps we need to hear the whole interview to understand? IDK

[@briansardinas1359]

@@wonderingpilgrim Luke is purposely using the language of the vow of virginity taken in Judges 11:36-37 to describe Mary's vow to God. Telling us that Mary's yes implied a similar vow of virginity.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Does it not seem odd that the current established 4 Marion dogmas are listed in The Protoevangelium of James and Pseudo-Matthew which is rejected by the Roman Catholic church?

[@deanphilipsaunders775]

There are indeed many references into Mary in the Bible. We see the Blessed Virgin talked about in the Old Testament prophesizing the coming of Our Saviour and the New Covenant. These are references that Mary herself would have recognised specifically as a Jew and the mother of God. Revelation also speaks of the queen of heaven, Mary. The Old Testament beautifully illustrates the coming of Christ and His mother, and the new Arc of the Covenant. It is incredibly satisfying to see this in scripture.

[@olivegrove-gl3tw]

have you ever heard any of ken Johnsons studies on the Dead Sea scrolls and the essenes??? I would love your intake on it

[@austinmorris3422]

Is one excommunicated by the catholic church if they doubt Mary's bodily assumption dogma?

[@brucebarber4104]

Would Ignatius and Irenaeus speak of Mary as a virgin in many of their letters if she bore other children?

[@dannydeluca5365]

No, because Mary didn’t have other children!

[@nightshade99]

@@dannydeluca5365 Read your Bible; she absolutely did.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@nightshade99, you are incorrect. Dr. Brant Pitre explains it in the following video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXKQoWZurp6WoLc

[@nightshade99]

@@brucebarber4104 Scripture trumps man's opinions and theories.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@nightshade99, it isn't man's opinion and theories, it's history. Dr. Pitre explains it very well. If you choose to remain ignorant and spread falsehoods, that's your choice.

[@Deperuse]

"Arise, O Lord, into thy resting place: thou and the ark, which thou hast sanctified." Psalm 131: 8

[@joeythemonk007]

Great video guys. Regarding the bodily assumption of our Blessed Mother, the typology of Mary being the new and living Ark of the Covenant helps more than we might think. Why does God give detailed and strict instructions concerning the making of the Ark? Are such meticulous details useless information for the New Testament people? On the contrary they are hints for us pointing out to something. The Ark is made of one of the most durable woods - the Acacia wood, and then overlaid with pure gold inside and out. Now Acacia wood is not easily eaten by moth and pure gold does not rust, tarnish or corrode even for millions of years. Concerning the Ascension of our Lord the prophecy goes like this: Ps 16:10 & Acts 2:27 "For you will not abandon my soul to hades, nor let your beloved one see decay (or corruption). The theme of not experiencing corruption can be reflected in the OT ark and thus can be applied the Mary the new Ark. God bless

[@actsapologist1991]

From now on, all of your video thumbnails should be you making a cartoonish face and gesture.

[@GospelSimplicity]

I could arrange that😂

[@tmcc1647]

Nice icons! 😉😇☦️

[@GospelSimplicity]

Good eye!

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

Luke 1:34 & 38 demonstrate that Mary, the mother of The God-Man, is a 'perpetual virgin'? And Elizabeth said 'mother of 'Kyriou' ('LORD') in Luke 1:43? And the Aorist Indicative Active ("has done") is somehow demonstrates that Mary was 'immaculate'? And Mary's ascension is from a 'typology'? And 'the ark of the Lord's strength'....is Mary? .....I think I'll stick to my discussions with Roman Catholics on the subject of Justification...

[@mariamalbrough2916]

Is has been given to lots of chosen to know about Mary, Jesus Mother ,our Mother.She always leads us to Jesus our savior

[@nebojsaciric4656]

Concerning the perpetual virginity of the Holy Theotokos, read Ezekiel 43 : 1-4... and then read Ezekiel 44 : 1-2...

[@TheLeonhamm]

Yes; and .. no. The 'no' bit only refers to an interpretation of texts; the Yes bit refers chiefly to the Church's understanding of what the 'text' means (though that does not mean one specific interpretation rather a general communion of belief - officially affirmed as Catholic in substance). Neither of these types of answer, naturally enough, will do for those who do not - or do not want to - believe/ engage with them. First, of course, one has to 'prove' the Holy Bible as a concept, as reality, and witness .. this is not as easily done as one might first like to imagine. Catholics do so in typical Catholic fashion, applying the same textual and contextual rules that govern teachings on God, Creation, Humanity, Christ, His Church, and the Saints .. again, those who do not want to believe it, won't. One cannot find any dogma, per se, fully defined in the texts accepted - by the Church - as Sacred Scripture; dogmas are defined by magisterial authority, not by a witness, living or written; witnesses, teachings, and directions are what can be found in these religious texts. Thus: Was Mary uniquely chosen in Christ among all mankind to be especially favoured as holy and immaculate in Him, to the praise of the glory of His grace? Eph 1 : 3-14.

[@SoRunThatYeMayObtain]

I thought you sound like Tim Mackie.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Haha, Tim has had a huge influence on me, so I'll take that as a compliment!

[@continuallycurious9931]

Yes!!! I would take that as a high complement 😊

[@mpress469]

Marian wisdom can begin with a fundamental understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God). Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle. As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritually matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8). Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experiences associated with the transpersonal awakening process. In spiritually matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary "ego" death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld, her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle. Mary Magdalene's anointing and wiping of Jesus's feet with her hair can then be seen as head to tail (toe) imagery as she descends her matriarchal head to his patriarchal feet, thus reenacting the high understanding of the divine cyclical process. (John 12:3) To carry the Ankh (now the female symbol ♀️) was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle. Lord Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society. Ganesha (like the elephant) wears God's cyclical nature on his face. A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGHQYa2AiKp5gZI "See all women as mothers, serve them as your mother. When you see the entire world as the mother, the ego falls away. See everything as Mother and you will know God." - Neem Karoli Baba

[@HillbillyBlack]

Does it not seem odd that the current established 4 Marion dogmas are listed in The Protoevangelium of James and Pseudo-Matthew which is rejected by the Roman Catholic church?

[@alexndua6902]

Would it be that Catholics on insisting respect to Mary have gone to an extreme on one hand and Protestants in their quest have gone to the opposite extreme?

[@killianmiller6107]

Perhaps. In the same sense (some) Protestants have gone to the extreme that the Bible is the only infallible word of God that we should base our faith off of, never mind sacred tradition; and then (some) Catholics go to the extreme of thinking the Bible isn’t that necessary to read. Though one does have to ask where that extreme is when it comes to Mary. If it means worshipping her, then that’s just a misconception of catholicism. If it means believing things about her that aren’t true and contradict other aspects of the faith, then perhaps this is where the line should be drawn. Yet, I am reminded of a quote: “you can never love Mary more than Jesus did.”

[@GospelSimplicity]

I think it’s certainly possible

[@alexndua6902]

@@killianmiller6107 This came to my mind after listening to an Eastern Orthodox Monk speaking of the Catholic Immaculate conception. That we have exalted her to the status of Jesus who had no sin, God. Making of Msry another human without original sin.

[@killianmiller6107]

I don’t think mere sinlessness means we ought to worship her (and we don’t). The obvious rebuttal is Adam and Eve who were without original sin, designed to be how God intended us to be, and yet they were mere created beings not worth adoration and sacrifice. Perhaps in the same way, Mary was made preserved from sin (more human than we are) and this attests to God’s glory, not hers.

[@catholicdoctrine]

@Alex Ndua: Up until ex-Catholic Martin Luther embarked on the Protestant Revolution, all Catholics revered and respected the Blessed Virgin Mary. In fact, so did Martin Luther. However, to support their position, Luther, Calvin, etc. had to discard the theology, dogmas and Bible of the Catholic Church. So out went reverence and respect for the theology, dogma and Sacred Scripture of the Catholic Church and in return came the evolutionary philosophy of protestantism and its new theologies, new dogmas, new Bibles. Respect for the Blessed Virgin Mary was only one of the casualties of the Protestant Revolution, sadly there are many many more.

[@ewankerr3011]

We all understand that in the old Bibles carnal knowledge is translated as "know." So let us look at Mathew 1 : 25. The text is very clear : Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary until (till) after the birth of Jesus. Now if someone says that a good Catholic couple did not have sex until they were married, we know what that means. So read Mathew 1 :25 and let the text speak for itself. What do you think? The obvious reading of the text may also better explain the passages that talk about the brothers and sisters of Jesus . When Josephus, the Jewish historian describes the death of James and calls him the brother of Jesus, we know what he means.

[@brianhale3678]

Mary was so important to the apostles that she was not mentioned after the Gospels ... No wait, she was mentioned once in the first chapter of Acts.

[@markm4033]

The Church came before the Holy Bible. About 400 years before the Holy Bible was compiled and canonized. The Marion Dogmas were always believed before they became dogma.

[@nickk4851]

"The Marion Dogmas were always believed before they became dogma". Can the Church prove this? I'm Catholic but honestly don't know. Is it all Marian Dogmas or just some general sense of them?

[@GospelSimplicity]

What do you mean by, "always believed?"

[@lishmahlishmah]

@@GospelSimplicity Check the sentence "quod ubique, quod ab omnibus, quod a semper creditum est" (everywhere, by everyone and always believed) in the history of dogmas. There's a lot of stuff in ancient Latin (+ancient Greek) and Italian about that topic. ...Hope you can have enough translations in English. IMHO this is one of the biggest problems because the "anglosaxon world" has always been mainly Protestant... So, English speaking people are _not_ that pretty much interested in translating _everything_ from the ancient sources and scholars. But, the Early Christianity was mainly "written" in Greek, in Latin (because of Roman Empire), and in Mediterranean languages. Anyhow, I think there has been a good amount of English/American translations in the last 50 years... thanks to American or UK Catholics. So, today is much better (for students) than 100 or 200 or 500 years ago. (Hope my English is clear enough) Shalom 😇

[@markm4033]

@@GospelSimplicity its like this. The belief of Mary being born free from sin has always been believed by the Church. It didn't become dogma until the 1800s, but it has always been believed. Just clear up what the church teaches and what must be believed, then becomes dogma. The Church was established in 33 A.D and the Holy Bible didn't come into existence until the 400s. This is where tradition comes in as not all things are written in scripture.

[@andrewdrew677]

@@GospelSimplicity the first question we have to ask ourselves is this : 1. Is Mariology a salvation issue ? 2. Did St Paul or any of the apostles teach mariology ? 3. One striking verse is this :here in Luke 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” 28 But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it. 4.The Lord answered and does not incorporate blessing his mother or venerating her as the word of God , otherwise he would of praised the woman , instead we see a rebuke , very similar to the way the woman at the well is spoken to after she lies to the Lord about having no husband.John 4:18. 5. The Lord always states the truth when a man or woman makes a statement towards him . 6.if a person picked up a Bible without any knowledge would he come up with mariology ? 7. Catholicism states that all graces come through Mary , this is untrue as Grace and truth came by Christ Alone.John 1:17 8.there is one mediator just one ☝️ 1 Tim2:5 9. I wonder what St Paul would say , I believe maybe this “for what purpose have you been given the spirit?”

[@wilsontexas]

You can pray to and praise my dead grandmother if you want. She might even appear to you and tell you about the future or ask you to build a church for her. And no it's not idolatry, she is a saint in heaven.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

One point that never is brought out is the difference between the true Mary and a Mary that is portrayed as the true Mary: 1) The true Mary would always, always point us to Jesus; never to herself. 2) Any apparition by the true Mary would never be solely contained within a particular earthly church, but to any who have completely surrendered their lives to the Lordship of Jesus Christ; or else, Mary would be guilty of sectarianism. Luke 9:49-50 3) Any who have claimed visions of Mary would have been instructed by the true Mary to not bow down to exalt her, but to bow down and exalt the Creator of heaven and earth 4) The true Mary would never overrule the words spoken by Jesus in the account that we find in Luke 11:27-28.

[@TheApsodist]

1 and 4: true. 2: how can this be, when there is but one true Church, which the Catholic Church is the visible body of? Also, there are many apparitions of Mary within Orthodox Churches, such as Zeitoun. 3: bowing and even prostrating is not worshipping. Why would you bow before an earthly King but not before the Queen of Heaven? Worship is found in Sacrifice. We would never sacrifice TO Mary, but only to God.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@@TheApsodist There needs to be an understanding between an earthly church and the true church, as seen from God's perspective. Read and study the parable of the wheat and the tares, because it clearly shows who God considers His true church (the Bride of Christ). The earthly churches have many tares among the wheat. The Scriptures say, "The Lord knows whose are His" and "We see in part and we know in part...," but God sees the entire picture; for nothing escapes His notice. Bowing and prostrating is an outward form of worship, but it is not necessarily considered worship before God, because God knows each of our hearts. Personally, I would honor and respect an earthly king; but I would never bow down to one. This is an action we must reserve for the Creator of heaven and earth alone; for He is the source of all that exists (seen or unseen). There are those who do actually sacrifice to Mary, because of their enlarged adoration and devotion to her. Their relentless and repetitive praying to Mary is a labour that most Marians would consider sacrificial. PS---- the only thing that I came across for Zietoun was that it is a non-fiction book written of him who chose to ride-out hurricane Katrina in his home.

[@msmutola682]

That "immaculate conception" was so extrapolated. LOL. I could come up with my own stuff as to what Mary meant with her words "great things". The best bet on this one still remains tradition. You either believe it or you don't, but it's hard to plaster it on the Bible.

[@msmutola682]

@@carnation63 I'm not sure where you read disrespect in my response...Just giving my opinion on that particular Marian doctrine as far as the quoted scripture is concerned. I just read your other comment which implies you are orthodox. And the orthodox do not believe in immaculate conception just as protestants don't believe it either. Is that disrespect to you? The only doctrine we ALL believe in is virgin birth.

[@GospelSimplicity]

I agree that without tradition it feels difficult to say that's objectively what the authors intended the text to communicate

[@jamessalerno4234]

@@GospelSimplicity Without tradition it's difficult to say what, objectively, the authors of any of the NT intended the text to say, no?

[@vituzui9070]

@@GospelSimplicity Precisely. Without tradition most passages of Scripture will forever remain obscure or ambiguous.

[@justinbrown8036]

@@vituzui9070 sounds like something the Pharisees would say, doesn’t it?

[@eblsymk]

Luke 11:27-18 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!” But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

[@richardsimpson8466]

Esteemed as she should be, the sword of Christ still pierces the heart of Mary herself in need of salvation as well as his natural family. Let Christ alone be magnified and let Mary take her rightful place (which is in Christ along with the rest of us). Luke 2:35 35 "the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too."

[@TheApsodist]

Mary is justified during conception (Immaculate Conception). Theologically: how can God enter into somewhere not Holy? Just as the Holy of Holies is to be kept from all impurity, all the more so His vessel on Earth. This is why the angel Gabriel saud: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee! This also ties in to the theology of the New Eve (as Jesus is the New Adam).

[@TheApsodist]

Also, we Catholics know her by the name "Our Lady of Sorrows" in reference to this sword, which was to see her own Son die on the cross.

[@noncalvinistbydecree1672]

It seems like a bit of a stretch to use Psalm 132:8 to think Mary goes to heaven... I'd think the psalm is clear that it's referring to the temple, not heaven, as God's resting place. Heaven is referred to as God's dwelling place, and the tabernacle was always being moved around, so a temple was to be built as a "resting" place for God, and the ark. The ark does finally rest in the temple after all.

[@GospelSimplicity]

I would agree that it feels like a stretch to me

[@alhilford2345]

Try psalm 45 (or 44, depending on your Bible) Verse 7 "...Your throne, O God, stands forever..." Verse 10 " ...the queen takes her place at your right hand..."

[@noncalvinistbydecree1672]

@@alhilford2345 In the context of this psalm, who would the queen be referring to?

[@AmeeraG242]

The biggest problem I see in this focus on Mary is it really takes over Jesus and who he is. He is the savior and mediator he never speaks of Mary coming into this role. Yes she was mighty used by God and so where many other people, like Moses and David but they are not anyone who saves us or holds any power at all. It is christ alone and can marvel at how God used Mary but nothing more. The lord says there shall be no others God's before me. In alot of ways this is what some catholics do. She has no diety or else we would not be followers of Christ snd there wouldn't only he one God but there is only 1 God and him and him alone is worthy of praise! Please I beg you all to just reasses these beliefs for yourself and ask God yourself. You can pray to him you dont need all these stand ins. Also Satan appears as an angel of light and he often elevates women in false religions this is a huge red flag that this is not from God.

[@heb597]

Mary is the New Eve (Gen 3:15, Luke 1:38, Jn 2:4, Jn 19:26, Gal 4:4, Rev 12:1, Rev 12:17) IMMACULATE CONCEPTION: As Eve was created sinless, the New Eve was born unstained by original sin. How can the New Eve be inferior to the old? ASSUMPTION OF MARY: If Adam and Eve had obeyed God, they would have entered heaven body and soul. Since the new creation is the fulfillment of the failure of the old, Jesus, the New Adam, and Mary, the New Eve, obeyed God perfectly. Because of their perfect obedience, Jesus and Mary entered heaven body and soul. CO-REDEMPTRIX: Both Adam and Eve sinned but it was Adam's sin that caused the downfall. Nevetheless, Eve was Co-Transgressor as she played a vital part in man's downfall. In a similar manner, although Jesus' obedience redeemed man, Mary was Co-Redemptrix as she played a vital role in man's redemption. Eve listens to a fallen angel, sins, and tempts Adam who brings the fall of man. Mary listens to an Angel, accepts God's plan, gives birth toJesus who is the redeemer of man. MEDIATRIX OF ALL GRACES: Mary is Mediatrix of All Graces because Mary gives birth to Jesus who reconciles man to God so we can receive God's grace. Also through Mary's intercessory prayers, we receive God's grace as displayed at the wedding at Cana when Mary asked Jesus for help and he truned water into wine. It is not Mary's grace, but God's grace that we receive through Mary's intercession. Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant (Ex 40:34-35, Lk 1:35), (2 Sam 6:1-11, Lk 1:39), (2 Sam 6:14, Lk 1:43), (2 Sam 6:15, Lk 1:42), (2 Sam 6:9, Lk 1:43), ( 2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:56), (2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:39-45), (Ex 16:33-34, Ex 25:16, Num 17:10, Heb 9:5), (Rev 11:19, Rev 12:1) EVER VIRGIN: No man could touch the Ark (2 Sam 6:7). Similarly no man could touch Mary the New Ark of the covenant. Mary's viriginy upholds the divinity of Jesus. The Ark's main purpose was to bring the presence of God to his people. Similarly, the New Ark's main purpose was to bring the prescence of Jesus (God/Man) to the world. Sacred vessles set aside for God, cannot be used for normal use. Like a goblet used in worship cannot be used to drink wine at dinner. Simiarly Mary's womb set aside to bring God's prescence into the world cannot be used for normal use.

[@ronaldignacio3574]

If Enoch and Elijah were taken into Heaven how much more of the Mother of the Savior Lord Jesus, the virgin who will bear the Son of God, the Word made flesh.

[@TheXone7]

I am catholic, I love Jesus, His mother Holy Mary the Queen of the Universe and all my catholic and protestant brothers and sisters in Christ. Let God lead us to His kingdom.

[@felixguerrero6062]

These are just post facto rationalizations of semi-idolatrous folk piety. Marianism in many ways is a separate, non-Christian religion

[@TheApsodist]

The Christian religion is that belonging to the Church which has as its four characteristics: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic.

[@felixguerrero6062]

@@TheApsodist Which Apostle prayed to Mary?

[@DrSharuMaria]

She is the Virgin. She is the Only One. She is the Perfect One. The Complete One. Conceived as such. Generated as such. Remained such. Crowned such. Eternally such. She is the Virgin. She is the acme of intangibility, of purity, of grace that is lost in the Abyss from which it emerged: in God: most perfect Intangibility, Purity, Grace. That is the revenge of the God Trine and One. Against creatures desecrated He raises this Star to perfection. Against pernicious curiosity He raises this Coy Virgin, contented only with loving God. Against the science of evil, this sublime Innocent Virgin. In Her there is not only no knowledge of dejected love: there is not only non-acquaintance with the love that God had given to married people. Much more. In Her there is the absence of incentives, the inheritance of Sin. In Her there is only the icy and white-hot wisdom of divine love. A fire that strengthens the flesh with ice, so that it may be a transparent mirror at the altar where God married a Virgin and does not lower Himself because His perfection embraces Her perfection, which, as it becomes a bride, is only inferior to His by one point, subject to Him as a Woman, but without fault as He is. Holy Mary, Mother of Jesus pray for us.❤

[@HillbillyBlack]

Does it not seem odd that the current established 4 Marion dogmas are listed in The Protoevangelium of James and Pseudo-Matthew which is rejected by the Roman Catholic church?

[@DrSharuMaria]

@@HillbillyBlack no it doesn't seem odd. The Bible contains books which was put together by the Church by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. There are a lot of other books which were not put into Bible, they too contain facts but there are other things also included. Bible clearly depicts Mary , Mother of Christ- Son of God as The Queen of Heaven in the book of Revelations. The other 7 books which were taken away from the Bible by Martin Luther to form his religion also contained The Marian dogmas. So Bible originally has everything included needed for the faith and salvation of man.

[@HillbillyBlack]

@@DrSharuMariaim intrigued, can you show me in scripture please? In fact lets ask a few basic questions. If you are up for it. What is eternal life according to Jesus? What is God’s truth according to Jesus? Does the New Testament introduce new revelating scripture not found in the Old Testament?

[@DrSharuMaria]

@@HillbillyBlack read Revelations Chapter 12. You protestants will claim that the woman referred here to be anything else except Mary , Mother of Christ. The woman who will defeat Satan along with Her offspring as quoted in Genesis is whom? You people interpret Bible without your own understanding and that lead to having 40,000+ broken denomination without any rea value. The real authority conferred by Christ in guiding His flock is only One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Every thing else is interpreting scriptures according to human terms which is wrong. As scriptures are spiritual.

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

Good, but incomplete. The Eastern Orthodox Church has an issue explaining the Assumption of Our Blessed Mother Mary Ever-Virgen because they do not accept the Immaculate Conception. God Bless🙏🏻 Viva Cristo Rey!

[@LadyMaria]

No we don't. We believe she died and then went up. Dormition.

[@alhilford2345]

: The Eastern Orthodox is not Catholic. We cannot compare.

[@LadyMaria]

@@alhilford2345 Actually the Orthodox Church is the Orthodox Catholic Church so yeah we are Catholic, just not under Rome.

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

@@alhilford2345 We know that!

[@htebazileeilsel2293]

It is quite obvious that Mary worship is wrong. Its idolatry.

[@GospelSimplicity]

All major branches of Christianity agree on that point

[@alhilford2345]

The Catholic Church agrees with you 100%

[@htebazileeilsel2293]

@@alhilford2345 They claim they don't worship her but their actions say different. They pray prayers to her and call her the "Queen of heaven"- nuff said. The only one we are to pray to is God, find me ANY Scripture that instructs us to pray to dead "saints" or Mary- there is none... there are commands to the contrary though.

[@alhilford2345]

@@htebazileeilsel2293 : Do you know the meaning of the word "pray" ?

[@htebazileeilsel2293]

@@alhilford2345 Enlighten me- Im under the impression that if you are praying to someone then you are making a request.

[@tajjune103]

"The bible is also tradition" in no way proves that the the Mary dogmas are true. It's like saying the story of George Washington cutting down a cherry tree is historical because the constitution is historical.

[@GustavoAndresHerrera]

I see what you mean, but that's not the point. The idea is we have the Bible from the Holy Spirit, and we keep working out what it contains because very little is EXPLICIT on it. Therefore, just because something is not EXPLICITLY in the Bible it doesn't mean it's not true (but of course we still need to understand if it's true). Like the Holy Trinity, the Assumption of Mary, it the Canon itself! God bless.

[@catholicdoctrine]

@Taj June: How do you know anything is true?

[@GustavoAndresHerrera]

@@catholicdoctrine you can start from reason and end up in Faith. You can reason the New Testament is historically correct, then you'll realise the only logical explanation for those events is God, and therefore the Faith is True. Trent Horn explains this masterfully.

[@catholicdoctrine]

@@GustavoAndresHerrera No disagreement here. Might I add that this is part of Thomistic teaching and the Summa Theologica which has been abandoned in Catholic seminaries and schools since the 2nd Vatican Council, thus giving rise to the original comment regarding 'proof of Marian dogmas' to which I was responding. Ave Maria.

[@SchulmanGary]

None of the scriptures, you cited prove any of the Marion dogmas. In fact, if anything, it’s the opposite, you guys are reading your own meaning into scripture to suit your agenda to glorify Mary like she’s a God shame on you you guys need to repent for your sinful ways and come to Christ.!

[@geneparadiso6258]

So there is no other truth besides the Bible?

[@GospelSimplicity]

I wouldn’t say that, but I’d say it’s the best available/highest arbiter of truth for theological claims

[@lishmahlishmah]

@@GospelSimplicity It can't be the "best available/highest arbiter" if you don't have the "best available/highest arbiter of the interpretation". For example, Jehova's Witnesses don't believe in the Trinity. And yet, they believe in the Bible as the "highest arbiter". (The term Trinity is not in the Sacred Scripture nor there is enough literal "evidence" for a trinitarian theology if you just read the Bible _literally_ )

[@justinbrown8036]

@@lishmahlishmah I don’t think you are familiar with Jehovah’s Witnesses if your understanding is that they see the Bible as the highest authority. The Governing Body is their highest authority, over and above Scripture.

[@lishmahlishmah]

@@justinbrown8036 Maybe you are right, or maybe you are wrong. (I know many Jehova's Witnesses). But the thing is; *they* say that the Bible is their highest authority. And the same is for Lutherans; they say that the highest authority is the Bible (even if their actual highest authority is Luther). And Calvinists. (their authority is Calvin, but they say it is the Bible). And Mennonites. (their authority is Menno). And Mormons... And Baptists, and Evangelicals, And so on. Thousands of denominations with very different theological interpretations of the Bible. They can't be everyone right. Catholic Church says, "I am the true authority". And everyone else says so. Or they say, "the only authority is the Bible" (but their actual authority is their church or their group or their theology professor). At the end: you have to find out and decide which is the true authority in interpreting the Bible.

[@lishmahlishmah]

P.s. Sorry for any grammar mistakes in the text. I live in Italy, I don't speak English usually.

[@zarnoffa]

All these inconsequential discussions about Mary... The main issue is praying and praising Mary, like in the Small Paraklesis and the robotic voices repeating the Hail Marys whenever I switch to the Roman Catholic radio station. Paul didn’t even mention Mary’s name, so it’s a huge contrast in whatever his religion sounded like and the modern version of Catholicism.

[@graymann7762]

Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you. Romans 16:6 -St Paul

[@zarnoffa]

@@graymann7762 lol good one. “Greet Mary, who has worked hard for you.” - Romans 16:6 This is not the Mother of Jesus. He was writing to the church at Rome and Blessed Mary was not in Rome. Not only that... he barely says, “Howdy,” here and doesn’t use any title or words of honor. Quite the contrast from modern Catholicism where they’d ramble on for five pages of language bordering on or going beyond the line of worship. Thanks for the Friday morning laugh, though.

[@graymann7762]

@@zarnoffa all Protestants are good for is hating Mary, loving freemasonry and inventing liberalism.

[@GospelSimplicity]

While I do think there is an important distinction to be made between the dogmas and then the practice of prayer and hyper-dulia, I don't think the dogmas are inconsequential. At the very least, they matter because, if they're not true, then magisterial authority fails

[@zarnoffa]

@@GospelSimplicity Well, the same could be said about any dogma. What I mean by “inconsequential” is that, the state of Mary’s virginity or sinlessness or conception, etc... is all like trying to debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Sure, if the magisterium actually has a position on that topic, and we can prove from the Bible and Tradition that one less angel can dance on a pin than the magisterium says, uh oh! The magisterium topples! But, my point is: who cares about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? It makes no difference to anything and is inconsequential to the Gospel as Paul (primarily) delivered it by the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures. Even Luther believed in Mary’s cleansing at some point, though maybe not conception. But, who cares as it’s not revealed anywhere. Angels on pins. It’s not important... It’s such a side tangent when there are so many actual consequential topics in the Bible for the growth of the children of God. I am aware that this might be a topic that makes or breaks Catholicism in some peoples’ eyes... or is a good leverage argument for those trying to make converts. But, it just seems like counting bubbles in a fizzy drink. Mindless waste of time. I’m not criticizing your channel. I do (I think) know why you entertain these discussions and I applaud your unique approach.

[@saramolina8911]

All those dogmas are not in scripture. Some in tradition but none in scripture

[@alhilford2345]

Does everything have to be "in scripture" Is there anything in the Holy Bible that says that everything Our Lord Jesus said and did was written down and included in the Bible?

[@saramolina8911]

@@alhilford2345 depends of who do you want to believe. If you want to believe just the apostles and prophets, be protestant Apostles, prophets and tradition of Rome be CAtholic Apostles, prophets and tradition of John smith be Mormon nd and so on

[@alhilford2345]

@@saramolina8911 : I think it makes more sense to be Catholic!

[@toddmacinnes983]

Its so unbelievably stupid to dogmatize anything about the blessed vrigin mary other than the virgin birth. There is no reason for any other belief about mary to he anything but a belief that can be held. The church was better off when Dominicans and Franciscans were arguing the existence of the immaculate conception, instead of binding the belief by faith to all catholics.

[@TheDroc1990]

If you're Lutheran then you should also affirm perpetual virginity.

[@toddmacinnes983]

@@TheDroc1990 scripture is clear she had other children. Perpetual virginity is a gnostic heresy.

[@TheDroc1990]

@@toddmacinnes983 ok then you're not a Confessional Lutheran I was confused by your logo. Perpetual virginity is proved from Scripture. There is no biblically sound defense for her having other children. You can't base a 500 year old opinion on the word "until". Sorry.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Unnecessary? Perhaps. “Unbelievably stupid”? That seems to be a stretch to me. For instance, dogmatizing theotokos had a very important function in fighting Nestorianism. I wouldn’t hold all the dogmas, but I think “unbelievably stupid” is a bit uncharitable

[@toddmacinnes983]

@@TheDroc1990the dogma of perpetual virginity teaches that mary was virgin before during and after. I'm not sure if you know, but the little piece of tissue that makes you a virgin can't be intact after giving birth. Which is why your own tradition teaches that mary didn't even give birth to jesus in the traditional sense, but rather that Jesus beamed out of her and appeared to mary and Joseph. This belief is gnostic in origin and is found in several gnostic gospels surrounding mary and the birth of christ. The same gnostic gospels you also use to support the idea of the immaculate conception. It is heresy through and through. Marys sex life after the birth of christ is not relative to the gospel at all, and if she did chose to have marital acts with Joseph, it is not a sin to do so. The creepy obsession with the blessed mothers virginity is the result of early monks obsessing over chastity.

[@stephenmichaels6682]

According to our apostle paul’s ministry in The King James Bible,we are only saved by believing The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1st Corinthians Chapter 15 verse 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross,shed His Blood for all of our sins,was buried and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ Shed Blood is what saves you when you believe this plan of salvation with your heart.

[@alhilford2345]

Yes. And Catholics will agree with you.