Can You Tell If Someone Is Enlightened? (Depth Of Realization W/ Artem Boytsov x Frank Yang)

[@frankyang]

Timestamps 0:00 What Are The Levels Of Enlightenment? 2:30 Why You're An Extremist And Don't Even Know It! 8:57 Whatever is integrated/Realized, disappears 11:09 The Courage To Be Ordinary (How Deep This Journey Really Is) 12:46 Can You Recognize an Enlightened Being? 15:35 Beyond Nirvana And Samsara (Buddhas Vs. Arhat Vs. Bodhisattva) 21:54 "Realizing The Absolute Is Not Yet Liberation" 24:33 Mind Vs. Brain 26:43 Awakening As Physical And Biological Process 29:46 Role Of Psychedelics And Their Effects After Self-Realization 35:42 Warnings Against Heavy Psychedelic Use 40:33 Q&A 41:01 How Has Your Attitude To Lifting Changed After Realization? 42:35 Breaking Through Fear Barriers 44:40 What Led You Down The Spiritual Path? 48:30 Awareness "Training" Vs. Shadow Work 58:28 Attention Vs. Awareness 1:07:19 Interacting With Others After Non-Duality 1:07:48 Different Type Of Spiritual Teachings And Their Roles 1:11:29 Waking Up Out Of Oneness 1:16:54 How To Dis-Identify From Thoughts 1:18:15 How To Find The Perfect Meditation Practice 1:21:03 The Benefits Of Eyes Gazing 1:23:28 ON SEXXxxx. have a wonderful day

[@bassk1000o]

"the courage to be ordinary" is such a powerful phrase omg

[@jasper.kennedy]

love it

[@lucidmindrevolution]

Agreed ✌

[@Duck72432]

The genius of being average

[@Asuwish1]

@@bassk1000o indeed. 🙏🏼

[@WaddupBoi]

Frank I feel like ur little bro fr - when u got into powerlifting so did I, when you did jump training so did I, now that you're in this awakening thing I'm in it too - I'm going to be doing my first retreat next month!

[@frankyang]

Amazing big brother ! 🫂

[@samlah2319]

@@frankyang he meant you are his big brother 😆

[@barrachinasanernest]

Same man!! hahaha

[@frankyang]

@@barrachinasanernest exactly

[@cosmogang]

Oh my God I love your sweater

[@frankyang]

Yes. Got it from Taiwan

[@tsubb]

@@frankyang your clothes are like a respect statement to human beings. showing colors and happy lines...

[@Schneebs]

The best time to wear a striped sweater, is all the tiiime

[@veniak996]

Actually I am a being of pure spite and unconditional hatred

[@TrueFreedom]

I am very sorry to hear you are suffering so much, my dear friend.

[@Mahesh-hb2bw]

@@TrueFreedomI’m sure he is just being sarcastic😅

[@TrueFreedom]

@@Mahesh-hb2bw I wasn’t. He is suffering deeply. One must be very hateful to be so blind.

[@Raynaputi]

I felt that way too at one point in time. Hatred is the same as love.

[@Ansatsu69]

Or it is the total abscence of love... it will flip itself inside out ❤

[@Jeff-cz3pj]

If you or someone could host a roundtable on enlightenment with you, Artem, Daniel Ingram, Roger Thisdell and a mystic of one of the Abrahamic religions would be absolutely epic. Dhamma Nirvana...😊

[@TrueFreedom]

Yeah, that'd be awesome

[@Jeff-cz3pj]

@@TrueFreedom maybe you and Frank could get the ball rolling 😜

[@mattbevin8188]

So cooked - I was just thinking this morning when is Frank gonna put some new YT content out and I wake up and find this video. Bingo Bango Bongo!

[@mattbevin8188]

Fuck I just an insight. I just realised enough (or infinite as frank would say) content in the world once I shift my attention of awareness to it.

[@dualnon6643]

Artem the reason why those institutions won’t study your brain is because you’re just some random guy emailing them claiming to have unsubstantiated brain states. It cost a lot of money to run these kinds of tests, and they don’t just take anybody off the street no matter how special they claim their brain to be. If you want someone to study your brain you have to garner a substantiated reputation and let the institutions come to you.. or better yet, fund the research yourself. To add to this, another possible reason you struggle to gain traction with this might be that because you claim there is no effect from you taking psychedelics and so there is actually no effect for them to study. You say nothing happens so what are they going to study? Nothing?

[@TrueFreedom]

Yes, I figured it was something like that. But still, someone with an extraordinarily claim which is easily testable should raise their curiosity. It’s their field of research, after all. What you’re saying is that society works by reputation, and it includes scientific society, and I agree with that. But it shouldn’t! Science is supposed to be completely objective. What I’m observing is lack of scientific curiosity. I am obviously educated, my past career is verifiable, I’m not just some crazy dude.

[@dualnon6643]

@@TrueFreedomyou’re just arguing against how it works. That’s not gonna be of much use to you with all respect.

[@TrueFreedom]

@@dualnon6643 I'm not arguing against how it works, I am elucidating how it SHOULD work. I understand how it works. You haven't told me anything new. I know that the ego is a herd animal, I was once the ego myself. It will actually be quite inconsequential for me if I ever do get traction, because - guess what! - when one is famous, all is forgiven. That's how it works. I know that. To me this is ugliness, and it's part of my job to help people see that.

[@dualnon6643]

@@TrueFreedom”when one is famous”… ah I see

[@TrueFreedom]

@@dualnon6643 No you don't. You said it yourself: "you have to garner a substantiated reputation". That's what I called "famous". You're a hypocrite.

[@matw1x]

Can't tell who's Enlightened because I have no idea what Enlightenment is. Anyways, currently on Day 932 of Semen Retention. Infinity more to go!!!!!

[@Andy101-tm3hz]

I don't see the point of going a whole month without falling unless you are becoming a monk? I see Semen Retention as fasting. It has its benefits such as Spiritual Growth and more energy which is cool

[@lockinatti]

932 is crazy work. Im over 1 year vegan. someitmes i feel addicted to my streak more than the wholesome pricipal of veganism. Might have to start meditating. I love shrooms too much

[@Andy101-tm3hz]

@@lockinatti why do you want to go on a long streak??

[@fcz32]

If you know the exact day count that far into it then you’re missing the point imo

[@kinddate]

Uncompounded luminous clarity. Mushrooms for medicine. Love

[@rubenandelin1000]

My brother took his own life after a dmt trip and being diagnosed as schizophrenic and bipolar. I can’t tell if frank is really enlightened or mentally ill

[@IamEmmett]

What a wonderful conversation. Thank you for the insight on a multitude of topics. ❤

[@Diebeforeyoudie]

New Frank video today is a good day

[@henriqueyoh]

frank, do you still take meds? (i guess not) i'm bipolar and considering going down this road. my big problem with that condition is the delusions i had when in mania, wonder if you had that too.

[@Awareverse]

Also, would be great to hear both of you in conversation with Scott Kiloby.

[@dennispena5496]

Hmmm I don't think by simply not talking to anyone means you're in meditation. There are many who don't talk to anyone but are completely noisy in their heads. Still unable to stay present.

[@TrueFreedom]

They do other forms of "talking" to other people - they watch TV, read books etc. My understanding is that Osho did not do any of that during his years of silence. For Osho, silence was solitude.

[@coffeatus3393]

39:15 XDDDDDD THe way he says "here's your pain" i can't 🤣🤣🤣

[@ToddyHasAwoken333]

You have helped me make sense of so much with my awakening into my true nature and the panoramic lens. You are such a gift. Love love love love love.

[@Boboliciouus]

its funny that Frank points out 'radical non-duality'.. I personally view him as a radical non dualist lol

[@grockgalaxy]

include and transcend

[@demogadget]

These conversations help me alot along the pad. Greetings to all.

[@brianboye8025]

Eye looking is an extremely biologically conditioned experience and response. It connects with attacking and biting.

[@Reppintimefitness]

Big Frank

[@frankyang]

😊

[@Pururin_Purin]

Frank bros we got old.....

[@paperhands6607]

you guys really are nothing, you talk and talk and talk saying nothing

[@josephmitchell6796]

Frank is the king of insight thanks for sharing whatever the hell this is.

[@MohamedOsman-gt6jg]

35:07 Frank, did somebody tilt the frame behind you?

[@killerkamali]

stop doin methu havd brrn vampirin

[@ActionFigure10]

Absolutely loved it!

[@brianboye8025]

Clinging dulls the experience. Wow! Thanks so much.

[@grockgalaxy]

very true

[@killerkamali]

psychic vampirism

[@projectterranova]

❤

[@killerkamali]

u look asussura

[@killerkamali]

uranvampire😂😂😂❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉

[@King_of_Sofa]

I love being enlightened! It feels great :)

[@grockgalaxy]

enjoy!

[@25manfredo]

Man I really struggle with how this guest believes himself to be self realised without conditionings... Its very ego derived for him

[@rickysaunders2680]

Why?

[@Tom-gp6oy]

I think your reaction says more about you than him. Of course, neither you nor I can really know his experience of the world, but I felt he was speaking the truth. When i was younger, i thought there were no "enlightened" people living. Then I thought that if one did appear, there must be something significant to identify them. But now, having a better idea of what that state is and having listened to many different people, I realize "enlightened" beings are usually almost disappointingly mundane. As they even talk about this video, its like when you go to the "end" of the path so-to-speak you almost return to where you started, being very "normal," despite your internal experience of reality being very different.

[@manny3031]

If you became enlightened you would either know. Or atleast realize your suffering has ceased. Would it really be better to lie about it for the sake of appearing more humble?

[@TrueFreedom]

I have the biggest ego in the observable Universe! Beyond 14 billion light years there might be beings with bigger egos than mine, but here I am the champion.

[@TrueFreedom]

@MrsSunshineonelove Thank you so much! ❤️🙏 It is my pleasure.

[@Duck72432]

That’s a sick sweater

[@saberxzero]

I personally feel if you are chasing and trying to find who is awakened and/or enlightened you are limiting yourself. Maybe they are just highly skilled lier? Maybe everyone is enlightened. Maybe focus on just being because by trying to become enlightened you are no longer you. Life is complicated because we make it, and by thinking about it we make it more complicated haha.

[@AlexKellogg-pv4qk]

The ego is so incredibly good at keeping us on this planet and in duality So are bears So is being homeless Being tortured Even being embarrassed The list goes on, don’t think YOU are special or GOD might show you just how easily YOU can feel separate from everything else in the universe

[@manimal5754]

Thanks

[@AlexKellogg-pv4qk]

Frank, thanks for talking about/admitting you had psychotic episodes, and down times. I think a lot of people who are working their way through life and enlightenment need to hear that. Some of us are still getting over suicidal/extreme depressive states… I know I am. Glad ur doing good Learned some interesting things from this video

[@NaWais]

I found this enlightenment stuff to be a 'real deal' thru pick-up artistry. Before that Fronk never made any sense to me, and now he is one of the most relatable teachers I follow lol

[@DerikMorgan-jn5ss]

I wish I could understand what this man is talking about please someone explain 🙏🏼

[@Ash-ng7ss]

❤

[@RiikkaVuorijarvi-ni4rp]

Such a fresh and inspired conversation, thank you! Grateful you mentioned that at some point of your journey things started morphing and liquidizing before your eyes during visual field meditation. I experience the same, a display of vivid colors and auras. (No psychedelics are involved.) I have no sense of awakenings, been doing shadow and somatic work for years, though. Is this experience of any significance? It‘s hard to find information on visual distortions during meditating eyes open.

[@Raynaputi]

Frank, I've experienced what I'd call a matrix download, meaning there was a shit load of intuition and insight in a very short period of time. I let go a shit ton of beliefs, along with about 20 pounds of body weight. The visual field still looks completely ordinary, which points to the fact that I haven't attained stream entry yet. The next step is constantly presenting itself, and there is still avoidance of the fear of taking that step. That next step is what I'm struggling with. When I feel into the body, it feels like "blah." There is no signal to say what to do next. Only the doing without assumptions.

[@elvsolit]

Thank you Fronk!🤗

[@luisacervantes4643]

52:11 ❤it’s about the pain , the suffering of the ego needs to be investigated

[@TrueFreedom]

❤🙏

[@chris2489001]

Jiddu and Osho come off as con men. There is something gross about their energies.

[@GrowthwinSpace]

How to go from soul level to god consciousness and then to brahmin??

[@Ali-bgh]

❤❤❤❤

[@frankyang]

❤❤❤❤

[@obrkenobi1170]

i took ten tabs at once, just saying lol found that funny as when Artem used that as an example. I can talk about that a lot too actually

[@barrachinasanernest]

Hey frank what do you think of Robert monroe?

[@DPSAX95]

awesome. So I see the direction of attention and indeed it feels more than anything that there identity is bound (since i am not the body, the sensations, the thoughts) occasionally it is clear that attention is directed naturally on its own but that seems to require effort which is also creating a self who is directing attention. How to work with that?

[@frankyang]

Try the TWIM practice m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4i0f61uhrOcZ7c&pp=ygUPRnJhbmsgeWFuZyB0d2lt.

[@TheWizard10008]

@frankyang Have you ever considered visiting Amma aka Sri Mātā Amritānandamayī aka The Hugging Saint? Would love to know what happens when two people like you meet each other.

[@TrueFreedom]

My best guess is I’ll refuse to hug her saying that she must be full of germs, and she’ll give me the stink eye. 😂

[@TheWizard10008]

@@TrueFreedom she’s given over 40 million hugs, including people with leprosy. I think you’ll be okay.

[@TrueFreedom]

@@TheWizard10008 Leprosy is not highly contagious and doesn’t spread easily from person to person. Besides, how do you know how many of those 40 million people are dead now? Maybe half! Maybe for those poor 20 million it was the last hug of their life.

[@TheWizard10008]

@@TrueFreedom and your point is…?

[@TrueFreedom]

@@TheWizard10008 Hard to say, what's yours?

[@swirlingchi]

When speaking about tabs, more helpful to state dosage. Also, tabs can be inaccurately dosed, differ in purity or even contain a different substance altogether

[@TrueFreedom]

100ug per tab.

[@alreadyit]

i'd love to lift with you one day, Frank.

[@obrkenobi1170]

yo consciousness is like not even there anymore, wtf do i do now bros

[@masidawoud]

@35:04 the painting agrees or what is happening there?

[@Asuwish1]

Imagine saying "When 'I' became enlightened" - Artem 🤣 The ego is a hell of a drug. All is already enlightened. 🕉️❤️♾️🙏🏼🐸

[@TrueFreedom]

Relax, buddy.

[@Asuwish1]

@@TrueFreedomstill working huh. 🤣🤣🤣

[@TrueFreedom]

@@Asuwish1 Deep breaths.

[@Asuwish1]

@@TrueFreedom Everyday. Along with a good dose of humility friend. Remember, triggers are teachers.

[@TrueFreedom]

@@Asuwish1 Good, so keep developing your humility, "friend", instead of bragging about it. Humble people don't brag about how humble they are. Keep going, keep practicing, stop hiding from everyone and using the Internet cowardly and anonymously, open your heart, show your face and start spending time with people who push your buttons in person. No one is triggered by you, you imagine I am because you like to pretend to be "strong". You're not.

[@Ggianni10]

what the rad. nondualists mean by 'there is no consciousness' is really more like ' if consciousness is every thing/where, then it itself is empty like everything else. Just think of how meaningless the term 'spirituality' becomes, the same thing happens to the 'consciousness'

[@vladn6031]

They're stuck on emptiness, seeing everything as empty. But there's more to it.

[@stevenmillar6561]

Frank, you're the fuck'n man. Thank you for sharing your views - watching each video is like strapping in for a medium-dose psychedelic trip... truly inspiring. Thank you. P.s I also enjoy the frequent call outs of the cheekiest, subtlest cunts encountered on the path

[@Emiliawhitey77]

Psychedelics saved me from depression and anxiety, all thanks to my homie who recommended me to this mycologist who guided me through on my experience, ho got all kinds of psychedelic he delivers acrass the states and overseas

[@Emiliawhitey77]

Karentripz

[@Emiliawhitey77]

On inst@

[@Noful-o_o]

Thank you Frank and Artem, I enjoyed listening to this.

[@__-bz7wh]

Took some great notes from this talk!! wise guys

[@thegritsch]

Have you ever experimented with brainwave entrainment tech? I find they take you quite deep rather quickly and if you use them right they can speed up your meditative development quite a bit

[@frankyang]

Not yet would be down !

[@thegritsch]

@@frankyang you can try the stuff from Jeffrey Thompson or Monroe institute, I think they have some on KZbin. They're the OGs

[@gumfun2]

45:11 sounds like me

[@TrueFreedom]

Loved the editing and your inserts! You speak eloquently and truthfully, and the background imagery is amazing. Beautiful work! Love you, my friend, thanks again for this wonderful conversation. Let’s do a part 2 in some time! I’ll gather more questions. ❤️🙏

[@frankyang]

Thank you Artem !

[@dontatmethisainttwitter]

i think that artem guy got extremely triggered and insulted someone on twitter a couple months ago for no reason... seems kinda contradictory to his claimed state of awakening

[@CoachHeyward]

Literally the only people I believe are truly awakened: Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie

[@bassk1000o]

@@CoachHeyward frank seems legit to me

[@InsipidReactionary03274]

@@CoachHeyward If you listen to this conversation, Eckart tolle is still within a level of the dream, his recent videos seem to suggest he is starting to decondition to a new state.

[@InsipidReactionary03274]

Yes, it's clear from people revealing their DMs with this guy that this guy prob has narcissistic personality disorder. There's a noticeable need for him to show others how further enlightened he is.

[@testing-vj2ke]

Being awakened does not mean one cannot get triggered or sad or even angry or violent. All flavors to life. Being fake peaceful and speak very gently and soothingly like a goody two shoes is a common con job of which you will find a plenty. Real awakening is orthogonal. It encompasses all states, it is not a state by itself. It’s a step beyond.

[@dazlolkaitis4978]

Come back to the Misc. We miss you. We are a dying community that needs life breath back into it.

[@frankyang]

Oh shit haven’t thot about Misc in years hahah it’s still a thing ? Tell those guys hi lol

[@silverhandle]

What is Misc?

[@cindylmartinez]

I love your sweaterrrrr!!!! 😸🤸‍♀️

[@cablepp]

❤

[@vedremo9240]

Yes you can tell

[@TrayvoneIdisi]

Hey @frank do you think regular resistance training alongside these practices also helps dissolve things faster

[@frankyang]

in a way yes

[@Aquaticphilosophia]

Only swimming. Only water. 😂

[@enVyVNCE]

Hi frank

[@DoggeXL]

How old do you have to be to start on this journey? Cause I’m 19 and it seems like your brain has to be fully developed.

[@DoggeXL]

Currently using insight timer and have used waking up for 3 years

[@frankyang]

You probably need a “healthy ego” before you deconstruct it but 19 isn’t too early but everyone is different

[@frankyang]

@@DoggeXL waking up is a great app !

[@DoggeXL]

@@frankyangyo thanks for answering brother been a fan of you for a long time, huge inspiration. i’m kinda just confused on how to move forwards. Should I get a teacher, delve into books or go for longer mediations? I guess the answer is different for everyone, would appreciate any input really.

[@RobertLouisMoore]

​​@@DoggeXL be sure to do whatever is the most important thing for you to do right now

[@lucaberg8789]

I need your advice Frank! I'm at approx. 1000hrs of meditation so far. And Right now I'm at a point where, if i start using interoception, it takes between 1-10 seconds for me to tap into some kind of center and my head jerks in a rush of energy, pushing me away from what i was focusing on. I dont know however if im just creating some internal frustration and then release it in a loop, or if im progressing.

[@frankyang]

Not sure what you’re describing but one can experience all kinds of weird energetic stuff during meditation they’re mostly just the by product of dissolution just observe and let go and focus on insights and don’t hang on to any experiences

[@Awareverse]

It would be fascinating to hear you both reflect on teachers/teachings such as ‘radical Nonduality’ and also on radical expressions like UG Krishnamurti and Bernadette Robert’s….for example.

[@frankyang]

Both are quite extreme views. Can be very helpful at times was really into UG at one point but he tends to reify nihilism and materialism so I realized the limitation of such teaching. radical non duality teaching can be a trap to go deeper. I cover this at 2:33

[@Awareverse]

@@frankyangI would be interested in hearing your perspective on UG’s (bodily) calamity process. I agree with your assessment of the liability and inherent limitations of such an expression/message as his.

[@Prashant-cw3ir]

@@AwareverseI think UG totally woke up from the dream and was just what he himself called a “living organism free from illusion “ just like Frank described transcending all layers of dreams, you’re an ape without hair doing ordinary daily things!

[@bloodleek]

artem is not enlightened. he is so blind.

[@TrueFreedom]

Boo boo boo

[@bloodleek]

@@TrueFreedom 😂. fool

[@TrueFreedom]

@@bloodleek You? Yup.

[@bloodleek]

@@TrueFreedom okay bro believe whatever, live in illusion, not my problem😭😭

[@TrueFreedom]

@@bloodleek Of course it is. You have a lot of problems. I am just one of them.

[@gaspersustarsic7874]

One God Jezus Christ

[@solarpoweredafricanvegansp178]

Hey Frank, Long time LSD user here. I listened carefully to your podcast, i may know the reason why the both of you are not experiencing anything from LSD, it’s not due to your conscious state. 1st thing first, test your LSD to make sure it’s even LSD, there’s a lot of fake stuff going around out there. Secondly, I strongly suggest that you utilize Stan Grof’s psychoanalytic therapy protocol. Unlike psychedelics, LSD works best when the user is blindfolded, utilizing binaural beats, with sound canceling headphones. Although it’s possible for you to get a non dual experience by just taking LSD, it’s not common, if you do not set the protocol up right. In his book “realms of the human unconscious” Stan has recorded over 4000 LSD experiments and he discovered a Samahdi dose and protocol. I use this protocol, I’ve been able to get the Samahdi experience 100% of the time. I’ve been doing it on and off since 2021, it works. Hope this can help, if you’re interested.

[@frankyang]

The thing is, you can’t get non dual experiences after you reach non duality permanently. But thanks for sharing :)

[@demogadget]

Those researchers that don't want to conduct, they are not on your level.

[@drakewheeler1323]

The truth hurts, non-coincidentally Artem triggers a lot of people 😂. Loved this talk ❤

[@sun-ship]

I hear very little truth in what he says. Just look at his comments on this page and ask yourself if you're really interested in this guy's opinion on anything. It gets much, much worse elsewhere on the Internet. He needs a friend more than he needs "students"".

[@vladn6031]

It looks like he gets a kick out of triggering people.

[@drakewheeler1323]

@@sun-ship I am quite familiar with him. I think it would definitely be worth your time to look into him more. You should talk with him, he would definitely be open to talking with you. Do you think you see Artem clearly and Frank does not?

[@drakewheeler1323]

@@vladn6031 I don’t think he gets a kick out of it, but he definitely does trigger some people intentionally lol.

[@sun-ship]

@@drakewheeler1323 Maybe I do see aspects of him better than Frank does. Just because I'm not fully liberated does not mean that I do not know a completely emotionally immature person when I see one. No, I don't think it's worth my time to look into him more. There are so many pretty enlightened people out there who do not behave like this. He may very well be "past anatta". In this case I simply do not care. As Frank says: "wake up, clean up, grow up". He hasn't even started on the latter two yet. And as far as him being a teacher goes, you don't see the ego simply dripping off of him? Don't you think he might very well be a negative influence on whatever "students" he has?

[@Diebeforeyoudie]

How do you “let life dissolve your conditioning?”