Canada's Wonderland Has An Unfixable Issue

Canada's Wonderland is the premier amusement park in Canada, and it's a really fun park. There's a lot of big roller coasters and flat rides, but it also comes with some massive crowds. This park is a well run Cedar Fair park, but with a lack of high quality rides across the board, it can make a day here not the most pleasant experience. Today, I'm going to analyzing Canada's Wonderland as a whole, and I'll be giving my thoughts on the problem the park is facing.
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[@racingphotographer8251]

the TL;DR of this video: Paramount ruined this park and Cedar Fair hasn't spent the time nor money to undo the damage

[@Lunar_Yoshi]

True

[@amusementscape]

I think Cedar Fair has done some work, but there’s a lot more to do

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@amusementscape yeah, I mean three B&Ms at $20M+ each is nothing to scoff at (unless you're TPP and wrongly predicted Intamins...) so they've been adding things but it's time to take out some of the trash to make room for better stuff. Tundra Twister makes Psyclone and Shockwave redundant, those two can go. Flight Deck, Time Warp, The Bat, and Backlot are all trash and need to go. And so on.

[@amusementscape]

Yeah it’s gonna be awhile before they start taking things out. People ride them so they don’t see the issue, and a lot of the sucky rides will stay awhile

[@360coasters]

⁠@@racingphotographer8251Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what does TPP stand for?

[@markmcg.5641]

As a local, who can't be bothered standing in those lines, the best time to go is anytime before the end of June. Schools aren't out until then, so you don't get all the teens. Although you may get 'school trips' to the park in late May and June, they usually leave by about 4:30- 5:30, so it definitely quiets down after that time. Once summer is here and kids are out of school, all bets are off! Go at your own risk - it will be crowded! They definitely need to get rid of some of the crap rides, of which I believe Flight Deck will be going soon, and replace with some higher capacity coaster, that isn't something from B&M. They are fine, but hardly intense or exciting. Intamin, Mack, Vekoma - lets get some of their newer models here!

[@racingphotographer8251]

Agree. I usually go last week in May on a weekday which is perfect. Short waits (other than for food), no need for Fast Lane, can park close to the gate, etc.

[@ryangrant4776]

The only launch coaster in the lineup is backlot - a next-gen intamin would be crazy

[@ErenJaeger.Tatakae]

Going on may 20th, id that’s a good time to go

[@markmcg.5641]

@@ErenJaeger.Tatakae That's a long weekend in Ontario, so could be busier than other weekends in May or early June🤞

[@ErenJaeger.Tatakae]

@@markmcg.5641 Hoping it’s not to busy 🙌

[@sbaldis]

Canada's Wonderland's main problem, is lack of any real theme(or varied themes), just Peanuts everywhere, and no drastic changes over the years. It's fine if you haven't been there before, but they aren't really seemingly doing much of anything to draw in business from people that are a bit tired of the park. Now I get expecting a complete overhaul is way too costly, and not exactly something that is common in parks. But I think something more could be done with general theming and non-rollercoaster rides.

[@jasonhenage4944]

Their flat rides look incredible. Some of the best overall for CF.

[@watson3906]

Wonderland has the best flat ride collection in North America… maybe even the world

[@vinewoodstar]

Eh... They're alright.

[@watson3906]

@@vinewoodstar it wasn’t really an opinion, they have the largest selection, including multiple one of a kinds. Not even Cedar Point can compete with them

[@vinewoodstar]

@@watson3906 L😅L

[@jordanberndt4157]

@@watson3906 Haven't been to Europe, but from what I've heard from enthusiasts who've travelled there is that the only other parks that compete with CW's flatrides are Wiener Präter and Tivoli Gardens. If CW isn't best in the world, it's in the Top 3.

[@mollydwyer5640]

Fun fact: Boo Blasters used to be a Scooby Doo themed ride that is similar to the new Mario Kart ride in Universal Studios Hollywood. I know it was themed as that because on August 31st 2009, my family and I spent my 9th birthday there.

[@codywanschura3824]

I went out to LA this past summer and went to Magic Mountain Knotts Berry Farm and the crowds there are nowhere near as bad as Wonderland. This is an understatement for Magic Mountain to have the biggest coaster collection in the world and the lineup is pretty stacked. It is because the LA area has 5 major parks (Magic Mountain, Knotts, Disneyland, California Adventure, and Universal Hollywood) whereas Wonderland is pretty much the major theme park not just for the Toronto area not just for the province of Ontario, but it is also for all of Canada. This is because La Ronde in Montreal is trash and Galaxyland at the Edmonton Mall is now trash because Mindbender is now gone so outside of Wonderland and La Ronde are cute cookie-cutter kiddy parks.

[@amusementscape]

Yeah it’s pretty nuts. Toronto is also the premier city, probably the closest thing to New York in Canada

[@AbsoluteDumpsterFire]

Ideas to solve problems - Another huge coaster - Retracking some rollercoasters (Flight Deck, etc.) - Single Rider lines for Behemoth and Leviathan - New events - Remove Time Warp

[@user-cm4ur2he5v]

instead of retracking flight deck just get a b&m invert lol

[@AbsoluteDumpsterFire]

@@user-cm4ur2he5v true

[@johnpatterson4272]

The Mine Buster and the Wilde Beast had a more exciting ride experience in the 80s and early 90s. On both of these coasters the run (after the initial drop) track grading was structurally decreased for most likely safety reasons due to their aging design. Time Warp needed to be replaced 10 years ago, yet CWL has managed to maintain steady attendance since its opening over 40 years ago. As a former employee in the early to mid-80s, I can say its more the drastic change in the administration of the park which I find odd. I was privilege to knowing the future plans of CWL in '83. Kingswood was to eventually become a quasi-indoor amphitheater, with concerts and shows to be held there year long. The Mine Buster was the first attraction of a new themed area to be called 'Canadas Frontier Now' which would include White Water Canyon. The inside of Wonder Mountain was to have (eventually) a roller coaster on-par with Space Mountain and there were to be two hotels connected to CWL via a monorail. There was to be a 'Food Fair' section attached to International Street with dine-in restaurants, Tim Hortons and a Zellers/Sears style public cafeteria. Obviously plans changed.

[@amusementscape]

The hotels would’ve been nice, I’ve heard rumors they are trying to build accommodations

[@johnpatterson4272]

@@amusementscape CWL itself is not developing a 'park specific hotel'. However, there will be a hotel built adjacent to CWL with immediate access to a major north-east intersection and subsequently #400 hwy. Perhaps a pedestrian tunnel or overpass may be built to accommodate park patrons within a walking distance of Front Gate.

[@racingphotographer8251]

Minebuster got ruined by Paramount when they took out one of its best airtime bunny hills to make room for the waterslide. Why the return trip of the layout feels flat and featureless, it used to have a nice airtime moment.

[@mist5142]

With the history of all three of all the woodys is they contracted ptc to make the coasters then ptc bailed out and left the in house team to do it

[@jordanberndt4157]

A few other things CW could do to help with crowds and wait times: - Build more single rider lines. IIRC, Yukon Striker is the only one. - Placing boards around the park showing the current queue time for each ride might help redistribute crowds and lines a little more evenly. - Building a monorail around the park would take traffic off of pathways and would eat up some guests. - Extend the Operating Season. I see no reason why Canada's Wonderland couldn't open weekends-only in Mid-April, the weather is nice enough for it. In an ideal world the park would also operate atleast 5 days a week all the way to end of September, but I know staffing might be an issue.

[@lent]

agreed, monorail seems cool wonder if it would ever be implimented

[@BmanTheChamp]

I definitely agree with all of this. Also there is one other ride that has a single rider line, The Bat. There may actually be others as well, but I don't usually do most rides, so I can't be totally sure. But I do know The Bat is one.

[@McQ-wk5lu]

They need to raise prices, they have the cheapest passes in the chain. A pass as Mi Adv cost more than Wonderland. They are essentially the old Six Flags model of Cedar Fair parks on pricing, low cost & high volume that produces a too packed parked & a lot of unruly teens.

[@kevwwong]

​@@lent I remember when they had a monorail at the Zoo. Building a monorail now might not be feasible, given the amount of space available at the park and the amount of time it would take to build it. Maybe an aerial gondola would be better.

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@McQ-wk5lu They're cheaper for a reason -- at the other parks in the chain the regular and gold passes include parking. Not so at CW -- if you want parking you need platinum. So if you consider you're paying $22 per visit for parking, suddenly the CW gold pass doesn't sound like a deal anymore.

[@vinewoodstar]

This is my home park and, you literally get it, spot on! Couldn't have said it better.

[@ttintagel]

Had my high school senior trip at CW many years ago. Mine Buster was so rough I literally thought I had broken a tooth on it.

[@samplautz5586]

It’s so interesting that La Ronde and CW seem to have the most rude and terrible guests of all the North American parks

[@amusementscape]

Maybe it’s because a lot of them have never been to a park before

[@Kayden_Coasters]

As having Canada’s Wonderland as my home park I do 100% agree paramount did a terrible job with Wonderland. But Cedar Fair especially over the last couple years seems to be putting a good amount of money into the park and we are hoping to get some major upgrades in the next couple years

[@coastercat112]

Besides the upgrades, I really think CW needs some competition. There's too many people to service for 1 park. Ontario is huge with no other option

[@Kayden_Coasters]

@@coastercat112 Completely agree!!

[@kevwwong]

@@coastercat112 Truth. Marineland sucks. The Ex is only around for 16 days, and Ontario Place is no more. If you've got little kids, you're probably better off taking them to the zoo or Fantasy Fair or the Science Centre. But for everyone else... well, I have been thinking of taking up climbing.

[@coastercat112]

@kevwwong so true! I keep hearing rumors about Marineland or even building a "New Ontario Place" but I will believe it when I see it lol

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@coastercat112 Unless Sea World/Busch takes over Marineland that isn't happening.

[@justiceman2723]

So basically, your "unsolvable problem" is fixed by more top tier coasters, more restaurants and rethemed areas + ride removals

[@amusementscape]

It’s still not going to fix the issue. It would help it, but it’s like a 20 year turnaround

[@justiceman2723]

@@amusementscape 20 years? No way maybe 10

[@lent]

@@justiceman2723 depends if CF will stop being stupid and give CW the rides it deserves/needs

[@justiceman2723]

@@lent well don’t ya think they will after seeing the numbers they’re pullin?

[@ItsSiebay]

@@justiceman2723 It’s not that easy. Unless attendance drops, or several rides reaches the end of their service life, Cedar Fair shouldn’t feel obligated to replace them.

[@delsouls76]

Decent review but I’m surprised no mention/review of Splashworks water park. Big chunk of the crowd when schools out goes there. They definitely need to replace some of the old coasters. One of my beefs over the years is the SINGLE main entrance, always wished they added a 2nd entrance close to the water park so you don’t have to walk 15 mins to get there. My trick to reduce the overall cost is to only buy a pass after Aug 1 when they offer next season pass early and come for the rest of the current season, ok you miss half the summer but it’s basically 2 seasons for the price of 1.

[@coastercat112]

I went to 7 cedar fair parks this year, isited all of there water parks. Canada's Wonderland has the weakest one. Plus no where to sit. For the amount of crowd we get, they need at least triple the amount of seating.

[@markvolpe2305]

I read/heard comments in the past (pre pandemic) that some people who live in Toronto prefer to go to Six Flags Darien Lake because Canada's Wonderland is always too crowded for them. Now I don't know if that's the case anymore because Darien has basically been neglected for the past few years and I guess we'll see after this season since the boarder is fully open restriction free for the first time since the pandemic.

[@vinewoodstar]

You're literally correct!

[@amusementscape]

It’s unfortunate. I wish the parks near the border were a bit better

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@amusementscape Marineland is just wasted space. Fantasy Island AND Darien Lake could both fit it there with room to spare.

[@parkhoppingherbivore]

Yes. Darien Lake is a struggle bus of a park but at least you can get on the rides there. I live in the GTA and have only been to Wonderland twice... once on a Sunday in Sept and it was okay, but we went on a Tuesday last August and it was a nightmare. Yukon Striker had a 2 1/2 hr wait. It's honestly worth the drive for us to Cedar Point (~5 hrs) over CW.

[@ThreeLions82]

Does anyone go to Seabreeze? I remember seeing adverts for it back in the day.

[@StamfordBridge]

Agreed that the crowds and lines are bad there, and the guests were the most ill behaved of any park I’ve been to. And I agree that the food is poor. Still, even with all that, I enjoyed this park a lot.

[@amusementscape]

It’s a good park, just needs some work, and maybe even more staff for crowd control

[@shellyamos9466]

Was nice when it was first opened and they had a lot of different shows. They had actors , kids that were talented, and got the crowd involved.

[@ItsSiebay]

What Canada needs is another premier theme park to spread out the crowds. Heck, Wonderland is in the opposite position as Darien Lake. Both have a plethora of old, janky rides and no one willing to replace them, but one gets all the attention that the other doesn’t, and both parks suffer for it.

[@racingphotographer8251]

A great place to put that second premier park would be the Marineland property. That plot of land is huge.

[@jordanberndt4157]

What Canada needs is for either Six Flags or the City of Montreal to start investing in La Ronde. It has so much potential, if someone was willing to step up.

[@amusementscape]

I agree. The thing is Canada’s Wonderland will replace their rides, and they take care of the old ones. Darien Lake doesn’t, but I think that Marineland is the perfect place to mediate the two. Would love to see someone make that place great

[@ItsSiebay]

@@jordanberndt4157 La Ronde wouldn’t be ideal, but I do think Marineland has a good shot as the previous comment said.

[@hobbes7460]

@@amusementscapeI think Marineland is to close to Wonderland. Having a park near London would be better. It would be pretty much in the middle of southwestern Ontario, drawing people from all over.

[@billybob33366]

So many people forget that Cedar Fair had an exclusivity clause with B&M which prevented them from building any rollercoasters at Paramount Canadas Wonderland. CW was inteded to get a Raptor style invert, Cedar Point got it.

[@johnpadams8079]

Your choice of words to describe the park and its rides was excellent. Very well presented !marketing should hire you to do a video to help different types of attendees navigate the park. There are at least 4 types of attendees that would appreciate navigational help.

[@amusementscape]

Thanks so much!!!

[@jeffc1347]

Cedar Fair has owned this park for 17 years and has added 3 decent coasters. Sorry Cedar Fair apologists but for being the #1 attended seasonal park in North America that is pathetic, especially considering this park has needed a major facelift the whole time. I have been there once and never had any desire to go back.

[@racingphotographer8251]

Cedar Fair is taking CW's attendance and surrounding population for granted. Why spend money when they have such a (arguably) "captive" audience? (unless you're willing to cross the border and drive for hours, where else ya gonna go?) They can leave in all the Paramount garbage and still rake in the $$$. Why they spend more on improvements over at Carowinds and KI instead of CW...

[@rgmitsos5]

Agreed, except I made the mistake of going twice. I am tempted to return for yukon, but am hesitant about having to live with the consequences of my delusional hope for improvement.

[@imageingredients8110]

Finally someone not blaming the problems on Paramount - cedar fair has had a long time to improve things.

[@jasonbyl8695]

I agree. As Platinum pass holders who live near Wonderland, my wife and I drive to Cedar Point more than we visit Wonderland. IMO the lack of competition is a major factor in why the park is like it is. Due to that the majority of guests who visit don't know anything else.

[@bobberbosser]

time warp never has a long line, and backlots lines may be long but they are extremely fast.

[@TylerGuitar5617]

The crowds have truly gotten awful. Maybe it's because I'm older and I've become less willing to wait in long lines, or because the rides have gotten old for me but I went last year went on a week day in June and it was horrendously busy. I had never seen it so busy and from what I heard, the Halloween haunt event (which I normally really enjoy going to) was to busy to be enjoyable. Still love the park, but it's hard to get excited about knowing most of the rides are average and you're gunna be waiting A LONG time for all of them.

[@MattMcIrvin]

You know, it *just* occurred to me that Leviathan is actually the closest B&M giga to me, closer than Orion and much closer than Fury 325, but I never thought much of going there just because of the mental effect of that national border. But it sounds like the crowds would ruin some of the fun.

[@PLUMMAxX]

Wonderland is investing in other ways then just building rides. They are getting into providing proper food options by building more restaurants (Cedar Point model). They are building onto the kids park by providing a roller coaster which is great (families spend lots of money at CW). They are bringing a new flat ride that looks awesome and apparently another coaster is coming in 2025. It's going to take time and money to cleanup the mess Paramount made.

[@racingphotographer8251]

Cedar is adding good things but not taking out the garbage in the process. Of the original CW coasters (from the Taft and Paramount years) really only Vortex is any good.

[@amusementscape]

Yeah I agree. I hope they keep it up, but there’s a lot of work to do. The park should keep improving

[@imageingredients8110]

Cedar Fair has owned the park now for as long as paramount did. It's time to stop blaming CF's mistakes on someone else.

[@PLUMMAxX]

@@imageingredients8110 Paramount was terrible, if you don’t understand that I don’t know what to say. I took a 6 year hiatus from wonderland because every year was the same thing. If Cedar Fairs didn’t buy the park Vortex would have still been our best coaster. They would never have invested 25+ million dollars on coasters. Less than 2 years after Cedar Fairs bought Wonderland we had a Hyper coaster. 4 years later we had a giga coaster. Wonderland was long overdue for upgrades not only to rides but restaurants, kids section and other park amenities to make the experience better. Cedar Fairs also owns 6 large parks and has to continue investing in those parks as well, its not like they can just sink all the money into Wonderland.

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@PLUMMAxX The problem is since CF bought the Paramount parks they've focused too much on Carowinds, kept up the status quo at CP and KI, while paying lip service (relatively speaking) to CW and screwing over MA. Any Wonderland fan should feel screwed over seeing what Caro has been getting.

[@Project_Frog]

As a Canadian, I love the bat and flight deck and a lot of people will agree its more of an aquired taste but without them canadas wonderland would be blande and boring its personality would be intarily gone

[@JeremyCoasters]

Great review! The time to go when the park is not busy weekdays during May - June. The 3 B&Ms are 15 - 30 minutes and basically everything else is a walk on.

[@illbyno1]

Shhhhh. Don't tell people lol. It's the only time to go. After school is out you have to rope drop to have half a good day.

[@d_i_v_a7391]

@@illbyno1 btw is it busy in Sunday?

[@illbyno1]

@d_i_v_a7391 yes. Not as bad as Saturday but if you mean tomorrow then it's may 24 weekend and it will probably be busy but not as bad as later on in the summer

[@clairefunnell8481]

My home park. Blue ice cream was only available in 2021, 40th Anniversary, so that's why you can't find it on the site. We do have a couple of dud coasters. Something coming in 2025, don't know what kind of coaster it will be. Crowds were and are and will be a problem, not the park's fault, it's just busy.

[@Asshat237]

But if the crowds are that crazy they need more rides. They can afford it. Cedar Fair mgmt has the data, though, that attendance continues to do great even without park improvements. I'm assuming the lack of competition in Canada is why attendance stays so high. Sorry. The only way to get them to improve the park is for people to stop going. Once attendance goes down then they'll be forced to act.

[@clairefunnell8481]

@@Asshat237 could be but Cedar Fair would have to do something very drastic for that to happen. They are investing a lot of money into Canada's Wonderland so just wait and see what happens.

[@amusementscape]

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification

[@Asshat237]

@@clairefunnell8481 ohhh really? I assumed they weren't investing that much since no new major rides.

[@imageingredients8110]

It is absolutely the parks fault that they over sell the attraction.

[@superd4611]

You are absolutely right. The other problems with this park are they have no transportation rides which are normally high capacity. And they’re live entertainment is awful. At least at Cedar point or Kings Island if it’s crowded you can always count on riding the train. All of the live entertainment last year was some type of stunt show. No singing or dancing. Cedar point has a huge lineup of live entertainment, which is something to do when the park is crowded. The theming of this park is also very sloppy due to previous ownership. They desecrated World Exposition and Frontier Canada is just an mess with little cohesion. I attended there last year and was lucky. It was slightly rainy on my first day. The crowd was tolerable. The second day was sunny and I left because it was so miserably crowded. I doubt if I’ll ever go back as it’s not a good experience because of the crowds

[@amusementscape]

Yeah there’s no coherent theming here either. Different areas of the park feel old or outdated while the newer areas are just lightly themed

[@JustinCoasters]

How to Fix Attendance: Have a company buy Marineland and add rides

[@skyline17]

Thanks for the great review! I think upgrades to the parking tolls and entrance would go a long way to help with crowd management.

[@amusementscape]

That would help!

[@js8805]

What was the unfixable issue?? The crowds are awful there....but as long as they're packing them in I'm not sure if they have much motivation to improve.

[@JohnHuitema]

I’m about 90 mins away and never made it out last season. But everyone I knew that did go last season regretted it. Way to crowded and waiting for food for an hour plus is unacceptable anywhere. Especially waiting forever just to get into the park. Everyone I know that went said they wouldn’t go back for those reasons alone.

[@melodykplayz3489]

i feel like the park is a good place to go for a trip with your family since there are a lot of rides for kids but as a local it is a good idea to go when kids are in school.

[@janey4319]

Every time I've ever been to Wonderland it's been either raining (or chance of rain and I dodged it) or a field trip, so I've never really seen it busy. Some of this footage was crazy tho omg

[@jacquolinemartin9612]

The pathway's are small because they simply did not see the need to make them wide at the time. In 1981, the world was a much smaller place; the park was never over-crowded 24/7. That being said, I agree that it can be an inconvenience and that change is now needed. It's a bit of a hazard. When it will be done.. who knows. Most of the time, they designate their budget into ride maintenance, new attractions, new eateries, staffing, etc.

[@ThreeLions82]

I enjoyed it back in the 90's to be honest. It was more about the family atmosphere with Hanna-Barbera Land. Also didn't they get rid of the blue soft ice cream? it use to be called Smurf ice cream back when it was centered around Smurf Village.

[@spittinvenom9843]

CW: mid tier since opening day 1981, yeah I’m that old.

[@history_leisure]

I heard Lazy Bear Lodge's quality quickly fell off after the training period

[@BmanTheChamp]

That's what I heard as well

[@amusementscape]

That sucks

[@watson3906]

Wonderland has been my home park for my entire life and I’ve been more times than I can count. This video pissed me off but for the reason that mainly he is right. Although I think he was a little too harsh on the quality of the Big 3 coasters, all of them a top tier coasters that “most” parks would happily welcome into their line up. What annoys me about them though is they’re ALL B&M. Don’t get me wrong, B&M makes world class coasters… but a little variety would be very nice. What I would give for a crazy intense Intimin coaster… unfortunately Cedar Fair and Intimin aren’t on very good terms so that’s likely not going to happen. Saying that though I’ve been coming here my entire life and I still have a blast everytime I go, if it’s your first time I promise you’ll have a blast at Wonderland (but but a Fastpass, it’s definitely needed to get full value if it’s you’re first time visiting.) Where the author bangs the nail on the head is the supporting cast of coasters. Tearing down Flight Deck and Time warp and adding a new flagship coaster right by the entrance would do wonders…. And RMC’ing the woodies here would make this one of the best parks in North America.

[@racingphotographer8251]

Wonderland's problem is one word: Paramount

[@robertcook3389]

Paramount Paramount Paramount thats all need to be Said Disastrous

[@amusementscape]

I think if they add one or two more bangers, plus if they clean up the theming you got a world class park!

[@watson3906]

@@amusementscape I 100% agree

[@imageingredients8110]

​@@racingphotographer8251 Paramount hasn't been involved for almost fifteen years? The current problems are not the previous owners fault. Cedar Fair has had a lot of time to work on things.

[@coastercat112]

This is a great video, CW is my home park, and I know everyone agrees with adding at least 1 more premium coaster. Having said that, Ontario (esp Toronto area) is huge. If there was another park built, it would definitely help manage the unbearable crowds.

[@kevwwong]

Maybe someone can buy Marineland and turn it into something decent. Give people another reason to head to the Falls. I think Flight Deck, Time Warp and Kingswood will be going away soon, which would leave quite a bit of room for another large coaster.

[@coastercat112]

@kevwwong yes it would be awesome if a reputable park bought marine land. Niagara falls is always busy, so there are so many options for that area

[@skyguyismyguyr12turn]

Bro, I got an advertisement for Lightyear on this video. LOL😂 I've been to this park once before. And yes, this issue is HIGHLY unlikely to be fixed. But I need a revisit to this park for reasons. Leviathan was closed for my ENTIRE STAY.😭😭😭Please reply something that means you feel bad for me in the reply. So was Wonder Mountain's Guardian and The Bat. And I also feel like I didn't do everything I wanted at the park. You seriously can't sleep on their flat ride collection. Fortunately, a revisit on their ACE event is on my bucket list. Hopefully I can ride every single roller coaster THAT day as well as finish off with their flat rides.

[@Justin-yk3ox]

How can you make Vortex number two to The Bat at Kings Island? Its literally the same coaster, with far better terrain hugging and the top of the lift cruising around the mountain.

[@gabbyvelasquez3767]

GTA native, wonderland is like the place to be once summer hits. friends and i would get season passes every year as teens. i dont care too much for fun themes, im a thrill rider so i enjoy the coasters. i assume over the years they will continue to replace the old coasters with newer more fun ones. one things for sure; being pretty much the only real amusement park in southern ontario it will always have tons of people.

[@gui2980]

Canada’s wonderland is the worst park in terms of crowds. It’s simply unbearable to deal with rude people jumping lines or smoking everywhere. It’s a huge turn off.

[@905Metalhead]

You prefer the KI Bat over Vortex? Wow…hot take! The Bat is a clone and without the mountain, also being crammed way out in the woods, it’s just meh for me. Also the 5 mile walk through the queue 🤪

[@amusementscape]

I thought it was more intense.

[@mattr3922]

Agreed on this place. It's stressful to even think about LOL. I don't know the details of RMC and Canada...but I wonder if this merge with Larson will change any of that🤔🤔🤔

[@therock238360]

Is Larson a Canadian company? If not, than it changes nothing

[@mattr3922]

@@therock238360 they are listed as Larson International

[@therock238360]

@@mattr3922 Ok but that doesn’t tell me if they’re a Canadian company. The reason Canada hasn’t gotten an RMC yet is because Canada has a law that says a Canadian company has to do the construction, and RMC likes to construct their own rides

[@mattr3922]

@@therock238360 then look it up yourself. I just said in the 1st comment I didn't even know the details of the RMC contract. Good lord. Acting like I have to answer to you💀💀💀

[@therock238360]

@@mattr3922 their address is listed as being in Texas. This changes nothing in regards to RMC working in Canada

[@davidsimpson9771]

Basically mine buster works best with a titan track because its more of an out n back but wild beast has a better layout which could be an amazing rmc

[@davidsimpson9771]

Also sledgehammer is super fun lol it always gets me when that thing drops

[@seb-3]

Thia could be because this is my home park, but I find that most of the rides there are pretty solid. I only really started going to Wonderland last season, so I haven't had a chance to ride the B&M's. Definetly something I am going to do this season.

[@amusementscape]

It depends, how many coasters have you been on?

[@seb-3]

@@amusementscape Almost all of them (Except the B&Ms) and several of the flat rides

[@user-ey4ft4jc4e]

You completely skipped over fear fest/Halloween haunt

[@krazycoasters1]

Theees been like 10 people areested and its only been open for like 4 weeks

[@jimthar17]

Seems like a park you would need at least two days to get everything in. Between the coasters and the flats I think multiple days would be ideal. Expensive probably, but more realistic. Especially for coaster credits.

[@McQ-wk5lu]

You can spend a complete day just doing all the flats, I do it every 3 day visit.

[@amusementscape]

Yeah depends on what you’re looking for, but I recommend two days

[@spittinvenom9843]

It’s in CDN dollars so very cheap for Americans

[@bobberbosser]

behemoth is taller than yukon

[@hskbrowneyes]

Need better coaster lineup especially a solid launch coaster would be awesome. Get rid of slc and volaire and add a premium coaster.

[@antoineosburn8626]

I've never been to Canada's Wonderland but I can imagine all those are great valid points. Nice video as always. Keep it up. 👍👍👍

[@amusementscape]

Thank you!!!

[@racingphotographer8251]

They created another "unfixable" issue by selling off the surrounding lands they originally owned. Think of that long loopy road you take from the Rutherford Rd. off-ramp to the front gate. When I was a kid, there was a big empty grass field in the middle of that loop just waiting for park expansion (or the parking lot could have moved there and the park proper expand into the current parking lots). Now it's houses. A quick fix is to finally demolish the unused/defunct Kingswood Music Theatre but that's a bandaid at best. CF can keep adding flats and small coasters into what little space is available and what they'll end up with eventually is another Knotts - landlocked with nowhere to go.

[@McQ-wk5lu]

They can and will add new coasters and rides via removing old ones. The park has like 5 original coasters to the park that are poor currently and will be replaced gradually. CF chain wide plan is to give the big parks a major Capex project every 4 to 5 years. So, it will take awhile but they will replace stuff. They do not need to actually expand the overall park footprint. Besides replacing old coasters on current plots, they also have the go kart spot. CF has been killing karts at their parks for a decade, Wonderland and Kings Dominion I believe are the last 2 CF parks with go karts

[@amusementscape]

Yeah that’s a big issue. Residential areas make it harder to build

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@amusementscape I meant the residential area on what used to be park land, to the south (so across the access road from Behemoth and Kingswood). It was a given that the farms across the street (north and east) would eventually become urbanized.

[@duanedietz5692]

Waiting in line is where you get to socialize with The opposite sex , Or Fastlane plus That bypasses the line …. Flight Deck is my Favourite ride

[@jonny-b4954]

All parks are getting like this honestly. I haven't had a great, light day visit to a park in a couple years now. Have to always buy the expensive fast passes.

[@kevkavalier]

Poor baby....

[@jonny-b4954]

@@kevkavalier Haha ;) It's a valid complaint. When you travel across the country to visit a park. Such is life though. Industry is growing faster than the investments can be made on new rides.

[@amusementscape]

Yeah most major parks

[@JustinCoasters]

How about a Vekoma Launch Coaster around White Water Canyon? Then Soft Straps for Bat and Flight Deck

[@barryd6153]

some nostalgia from that intro

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

It's amazing just how many people Canada's Wonderland can attract, despite Cedar Point being Cedar Fair's flagship park. I think it has to do with the market each of those parks are in. Canada's Wonderland is near a major city, Toronto, and is only about 20 minutes away from the downtown Toronto area with it being close to a major highway, the 400, so it attracts a huge market in that city, while Cedar Point is just in the middle of nowhere, in Sandusky, Ohio, which isn't know for anything other than Cedar Point. I mean look at Kings Island, they're in Mason, Ohio, which is just outside of Cincinnati and is near a major highway, which I believe is I-71. I agree that the crowds are abysmal, probably worse than Cedar Point. The problem is that because Canada's Wonderland doesn't have any land to expand because of the highway and residential areas, there is no way to make the park any bigger than it already is. So obviously, capacity could be worked on for people to better maneuver around the park and to spread the crowds out to different areas. That's not the park's fault, it's Cedar Fair's fault for selling the land they owned beside the park, which is now home to a hospital, so they could have used that land, and also there was a separate entrance going into the parking lot near where Leviathan is, but now their only entrances are on the other side near where Behemoth is. And trying to leave the parking lot when there are fireworks is terrible when there is a lot of crowds like that.

[@amusementscape]

Yeah selling the land was not a good move

[@VexxR22]

it seems the park was a lot quieter before the pandemic

[@amusementscape]

I wouldn’t really be the best person to ask but it seems like it did get crazier

[@yeeaahhzz]

Everything was. Suddenly, quiet attractions like, "doors open" or "haunted walks" or simply concerts are all slammed now due to FOMO. The idea of "going out and experiencing something" was taken away from everyone, and people went stir crazy. Now, they want to "experience all the things" lest they get taken away again.

[@derekwtang]

I’m excited to go for my first time in July but not looking forward to the crowds

[@BmanTheChamp]

Is there a reason you can't make it out in May or June?

[@amusementscape]

Good luck!

[@melodykplayz3489]

you can always get a fast lane

[@loganbenjamin8922]

BOOM. The king is back.

[@jarrodholbrook6176]

How about just tear out all the horrible wooden coasters and that’ll free up a lot of land for a couple better coasters. As well get rid of the 2 old Vekomas and the zamperla ride. And put in a new Vekoma stc but have it be big, with around 6-7 inversions.

[@amusementscape]

Sure, either redo them or remove them

[@TheBusymumof4]

Ya the crowds are horrible, but it is the ONLY amusement park in Ontario. It would take over 5 1/2 hours to get to the next closest one(and it’s horrible) and rumour has it that we are getting an x wing coaster in 2025

[@drewcorry5056]

Absolutely Loved Every Minute

[@billybob33366]

You're on point with a lot of what you've said. I've been going to Wonderland, when it was still owned by Paramount, early 90s. Lots of rides are nostalgic, the only reason for the lineups (ex: The Bat). Some rides for sure need to be removed!

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

KD is ALL i305. Twisted Timbers is way overhyped and I would easily take Behemoth and Yukon Striker over that ride. Those 2 rides are number ones at most other parks.

[@coastercat112]

KD has BGW nearby. They don't need to be the best park

[@user-cm4ur2he5v]

Yukon striker? better than twisted timbers? i dont know if you ever have gone on twisted timbers but it is clear of yukon striker, yes its a decent dive coaster (record breaking). behemoth is a good hyper and i can see why someone people might prefer it, but yukon striker is forceless compared to any rmc

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

@@user-cm4ur2he5v I have ridden twisted Timbers and it’s the most overrated and weakest RMC. It’s barely better than Dominator.

[@Irreve-rsible]

It seems to have a nice ride layout, including coasters and flats. I don't see the issue. It just may not be profitable for Cedar Fair to invest extra money into it, rather than doing so to other parks.

[@amusementscape]

Maybe they’ve maxed out a lot of their potential but I feel that Kings Island is the same way

[@SpartanFishy]

This may not be popular to say, but in my opinion, frankly, they need to increase the prices. It genuinely feels like the wait times in this park are borderline false advertising. You pay money to ride rides but get basically no rides ridden due to the line lengths. At the end of the day, supply and demand is king, and a price increase will help with the overpopulation.

[@thecoasterconnoisseur]

What's your #1?

[@amusementscape]

I did a countdown awhile back, but it’s Steel Vengeance

[@judithpolczynski9536]

Love Sledgehammer!

[@darktoadn1113]

lol i love the bat ride when i was little that was my favorite ride i went on that ride 40 times when i was younger my parents stole money from me i found like 5 grand at the front gate hey i was 8 only got 60 out of it last time i was at canadas wonder land drop zone just came out

[@OGpenguinBTW]

you made it seem like you hate this park until the very end where you said it was solid

[@amusementscape]

I said quite a few times that it’s a good park, there’s just some big issues

[@puccipower]

Americans would be going to theme parks if we weren’t all so fucking broke.

[@gordonkellerman154]

THE PRICE FOR THE DAY IS TOO EXPENSIVE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO GO FOR A DAY OUTING THERE MAKE IT MORE AFFORTABLE

[@sanaamiri8135]

i mean, its the most visited park in North America. Theyre already struggling with capacity issues, and making the tickets/passes cheaper will make things a lot worse. and roughly around $80 dollars for a day pass is a decent price for a park like CW. They're also adding new rides almost roughly every 2 years or so. If they make it any cheaper they wont gain anything, but lose money and will have to sell the park or, abandon it (which most likely wouldnt happen)

[@imageingredients8110]

They need to raise prices, actually - unless you want the crowds to be even worse.

[@sanaamiri8135]

@@imageingredients8110 I agree.

[@Asshat237]

5:25 that's an Enterprise, not Roundup.

[@Danilo-jimenez]

Solution: build a new park somewhere else (south western Ontario).

[@coasterblocks3420]

OMG, if you want to experience parks with crap and thin ride lineups, come to Australia.

[@lent]

i was really disapointed to see another flat ride for the 2023 season, CW desperatly needs more ppl eaters, and with the attendance that CW pulls im supirsed CF isnt building more

[@amusementscape]

The flats are eye catching for teens, but they don’t help capacity that much

[@ThousanWhite]

You title this as an h fixable issue and then you go on to discuss various way to fix the issue? Which is it?

[@amusementscape]

I don’t think the “solutions” would fix the issue. I think that they would help make the experience more enjoyable, but since there’s so many bad or mediocre rides, it won’t be fixed anytime soon

[@timk987]

They could really use a high capacity Intamin or Mack.

[@amusementscape]

Agreed! A copperhead strike type thing would be lit

[@robertcook3389]

Paramount Paramount Paramount was the biggest set back for CW

[@amusementscape]

I agree

[@dmozymandias]

The backlot coaster (formerly the Itallian Job) is actually pretty awesome.... and I seem to be the only person left who actually like flight deck (old top gun)

[@davidsimpson9771]

So us from Toronto have a name for those type of cringe kids with the trends. We call them "vaughan kids" because they wear their hats a stupid way and everyone knows theyre from Vaughan because we can tell these kids go all the time.

[@MrKillerRC]

Canadas Wonderland is a great park. Your complaints are a stretch. It has long lines because Canada has very few other amusement parks to pick from and lower the crowds.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

Ugh I wish they could RMC mine buster

[@dmozymandias]

Or at least return it to it's original form with much better bunny hills.

[@gardiggy6996]

Click bait. Stop this park is awsome, too many people are trying to ruin it. So annoying. I go once every 5 years it's awsome I go all out every ride fast pass plus and giver than wait another 5. You have a better chance of winning the powerball lottery than getting hurt on a ride there

[@dougiep2769]

Its in toronto. Why would anyone take a child to that city. Police have been called there daily for little gangsters causing problems. Take your kids to that,?

[@marcohidalgo1101]

The park's actually in Vaughan.

[@heavynoodles8331]

I don't get it timewarp and flightdeck are 2 of the best coasters there. leviathan and behemoth are boring.... striker is best. pussies...

[@kevkavalier]

Should change your name to WiNny Coasters. Try to put better effort into this. Never thought I'd find someone who sucks whose than Theme Park Predictions but here you are!

[@racingphotographer8251]

Has TPP ever got a prediction right more than 6 months in advance of an official announcement being made? Seems he just keeps throwing shit at the wall and praying something sticks. Just keeps repeating "I predict in the next 5 years [park name] will get an Intamin [ride name]" over and over and over again. As if Intamin has a monopoly on amusement rides.

[@Harrys.Truman-fanpage]

@@racingphotographer8251 Some of WNYs content is good, none of TPP’s videos are. I heard TPP rant about Zamperlas “unreliability” when one of their flat rides was down for a bit and talked about Top thrill dragster. Because Intamin made the ride so reliable didn’t they?

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@Harrys.Truman-fanpage Yeah, TPP is an Intamin fanboi/apologist... it's tiring. He should name his channel "Intamin next ride predictions that will all be wrong anyway" since that's all he does. And I agree, I like some if not most of WYNC's content. Oh yeah, which whiny voice is more annoying, TPP, the TikTok female AI voice, or the Reddit flaming male AI voice? Ugh...

[@Harrys.Truman-fanpage]

@@racingphotographer8251 worst enthusiast KZbinrs : Theme park review Hersheypark enthusiast ( I say this as a Hersheypark > Kings Island person ) TPP Coastoons ( his recent videos are pretty good though )

[@rgmitsos5]

Wait this whole time I was under the impression that TPpredictions purposely makes unrealistic fantasy predictions in order to cater to the coaster enthusiasts mindset?

[@barryd6153]

some nostalgia from that intro