Cancelled culture: Reconsidering the art of controversial artists

[@Hennacrone1]

“...but what we’re not supposed to do is dispose of each other because we disagree.” Thank you for reminding us.

[@saminaneen]

@Debra Varvi,,,More FAKE NEWS from the hateful, lying media, truly the enemy of the American people. This nothing, but a useless "conspiracy theory", perhaps the so called reporter should stop watching so much A. Jones from Infowars, if not he needs to tune his tin foil hat, in a different direction.

[@daimonmarioperez9501]

I totally agree.

[@cityonfoot6023]

@@saminaneen did you even watch the same video?

[@lestudio76]

It’s not always disposing. Sometimes it’s choosing to not give the voice of hate an audience.

[@JackycClark]

I'm using that quote , hope others do as well .

[@jans-wv3rp]

Controversy is part of life. It needs to be studied and examined. Humans aren't perfect. You can separate art from artists without condoning their reprehensible actions.

[@njhawksworth1588]

What I find most disturbing is how willing people are to cancel someone merely because of an accusation. An accusation is nothing more than a suggestion to investigate deeper. It is not proof of guilt. But when someone is accused, everyone piles on saying they always hated the guy or knew he was bad - well if you knew and didn't report it, you're and accessory to the crime, and therefore in no place to judge. Marilyn Manson was accused, then instantly dropped by the label and turned on by most of his crew and some friends, all who say they knew or suspected. Well then they are equally guilty because they did nothing to stop it. It's pretty obvious the guy is a walking advertisement for BDSM but that was perfectly fine until someone said he whipped them. Then suddenly he's a criminal on the say so of a bitter ex and her friends, no investigation, no evidence. I am exhausted by the number of people whose lives have been destroyed just from an accusation. Investigate. If they are guilty then punish them. After the verdict is the time to cut ties, punish, etc, but anyone can say anything so accusations are meaningless until followed up with serious investigation.

[@ROBYNMARKOW]

True; look at the Blacklist of the 1950's;all someone had to say was that they "knew" someone who was a "Communist" but that was enough for the House Of Un -American Activities.

[@1805movie]

We should hold artists accountable for their actions, but that doesn't mean their work should be censored or disposed of because of what they did. You can still admire a person's work, and not necessarily like them as a person (e.g. Edgar Allan Poe married his 13 year old cousin, and H.P. Lovecraft was a gigantic xenophobe, but their contributions to the written word remain paramount). It's like watching a bonfire from afar: it's beautiful and provides warmth, but it will burn you if you get too close. You can put it out, and not have it hurt you anymore, but that warmth would be gone too. An odd analogy, sure, but it does convey how we approach "problematic" material nowadays. When it comes to historical preservation, works of art should be kept in tact, but offer proper context for future generations.

[@caelidhg6261]

and so did Jerry Lee Lewis!... 13 year old cousin and his career was destroyed and that was in the 50s or 60s.. so that wasn't new...

[@KitC916]

Yeah the problem is when people call Confederate statues "art"

[@NolaChick82]

DON'T EVEN LUMP JOHNNY DEPP IN WITH THE REST OF THEM. He was the victim and there is HARD EVIDENCE to that fact. Amber abused HIM. SHE should be cancelled. PERIOD.

[@miriamhavard7621]

THANK you!

[@mirandac8712]

I saw that too wtf

[@lourdesguerrero2930]

This was a wonderful topic. I taught high school art for 10 years in a Chicago Public School. Yes, I introduced my students to Picasso, but I also made sure that they learned about Hollis Sigler and Elizabeth Layton. I didn't make excuses for artists who were pedophiles or misogynistic. I made sure to tell kids that this aspect of their lives just showed how complicated people are; and that we, as creators of art, are complicated also. Our art can reflect all aspects of our lives.

[@nochepatada]

Did you tell them about the Clinton's friend Epstein? Or why Tara Reade quit working for Biden?

[@Hennacrone1]

@@nochepatada she’s taking about artists. She taught art. Was Epstein an artist? Was Clinton an artist?

[@nochepatada]

@@Hennacrone1 so I can't listen to "Remix to Ignition" but it's ok for people to vote for 👉💥Joe Biden?

[@Hennacrone1]

@@nochepatada as far as I’m concerned, you should listen to anything you want. You should vote your conscience. Freedom is dangerous and messy. Freedom is everything.

[@nochepatada]

@@Hennacrone1 yeah... that's not the message of this segment though...

[@Me97202]

One of the problems with cancel culture is that just an allegation…even without proof… Is enough to ruin a career. It’s generally guilty until proven innocent. And yes...I have been falsely accused...by someone who wanted my job. And thought that would be a good way to get it.

[@ianbauer4703]

It's an updated Trump-era sort of McCarthyism all over again.

[@colleen4029]

Love the professors quote about our “angel/devil” view of humanity, and “contextualizing” the controversy of these artists. Food for thought.

[@RocStarr913]

John Oliver said it best when he discussed this on Last Week Tonight. People can make great art and yet also be racist. It’s like people can no longer use their cognitive dissonance when it comes to famous artists and their public relationship controversies.

[@thisismeannoying1366]

Yes but, putting people aside to look at something else, should be a personal choice and not a mass decision.

[@RocStarr913]

It’s mainly corporations trying to protect their own skin. In the entertainment industry, it’s largely driven by advertisers who are terrified of people not wanting to buy their products. Advertising is the lifeblood of television.

[@ssatpath]

exactly. the entire idea of asking "should we?" is just trying to impose what people think "the mass" is thinking or doing. Every individual has a personal choice...not pretending that is simple nor easy but its true.

[@galm7]

Bill Cosby does not make me hate The Cosby Show. I will always like Cliff Huxtable, but not Bill Cosby. For me, the person on the screen when that show is on is a character, not the hated actor.

[@LivingWithCognitiveDissonance]

Sad tho. That's the Cognitive Dissonance part. The image of Dr Huxtable drugging women. Another one that I have trouble with is Kevin Spacey. His characterizations in Beyond the Sea and Pay it Forward have been replaced by the characters from Swimming with Sharks and Glengarry Glenross with teenaged boys. I miss Clint Eastwood and John Wayne movies but all I can see is that empty chair and a racist homophobe on a horse.

[@davidj8658]

1984 has arrived. I have enough judgment and intelligence to wrap a context around thought and the arts. I struggle to remain a progressive as a result of the illiberal social justice warriors. The danger of crushing ideas of anyone who dares to offend you especially on campuses strikes at the soul of democracy and intellectual freedom. As dangerous as homegrown fascists.

[@bottomhead2518]

"But what we're not suppose to do is dispose of each other because we disagree." Perfectly said. Are we really going to burn Socrates...?

[@demh7823]

Look up the Hollywood Production Code and the Hollywood Blacklist, then get back to me about cancel culture.

[@classifieldno-siqnal4384]

Question : How do you punish a dead Artist/Painter and Writer and Poet or Screenwriter or actor/Actress who you want to cancel a immoral or offensive reasons? Fun Fact : They are dead some have been dead for decades and decades or centuries, they can't change themselves because they are DEAD. "History should not be Erased nor Judged it should be something we would learn from it to make sure dose not repeat the mistakes of the past." Question Two : They are already dead so would any punishment towards be pointless and useless? (for obvious reason they are on living anymore.) For Example : Should we erase the dropping of the two Atomic Bombs, It was a Tragedy and countless lives where lost in both cities should we erase it because offend people and punish long dead historical figures including (Political & Scientist and Physics Experts and Engineers from History Books and Society?

[@trmccc]

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone at her. John 8:7.

[@KEMET1971]

Today we call it "cancel culture" but the threat of career and/or life-ruining scandal has been around for thousands of years, there has always been a set of moral and ethical codes that if broken, whether in fact or through false accusation and made public, could lead to an individuals downfall, including the setting aside of their creative work. However, most often, their work is eventually accepted again.

[@1993rss1993]

People still play Michael Jackson’s music. It’s still on the radio. Thriller is played every year during Halloween. Richard Vagner was anti-Semitic. People still play the Wedding March hundreds of years later. Separate the art from the artist.

[@demh7823]

The Hollywood Production Code is a great example.

[@SeanTrischka]

Not a fan of how Erin clumps together “cancelling” and “calling out” at the end there. Those two things couldn’t be more different. We need to call out things that are wrong. And deciding what to do with that information is a completely different discussion.

[@hd-xc2lz]

@@vittoriobollo3408 Agreed. Let the courts decide guilt. Trial by media (incl. social media) is every bit as clumsy and unjust as trial by rumor mill. And from a historical point of view, to put aside a not-so-nice artist's work that carried great influence in favor of work that was largely unseen and carried no influence but was produced by a living saint, makes little sense, and every historian knows this. You may strongly dislike Picasso the man, but you cannot tell the story of 20thC art without him.

[@KitC916]

Agreed. "Cancel culture" actually badly needed accountability

[@romstar]

I hate the term ‘cancel culture’ -if I personally don’t agree with you as an artist 👩‍🎨 or a human being ,I’m not going to support anything you do-period!

[@silverhawk3043]

absolutely!!! It's just accountability.

[@glitchgatsby4290]

@@silverhawk3043 Except that people don't just decide to stop supporting a person, they demand that person be completely de-platformed. It's understandable on an emotional level, but it's disingenuous to pretend it's just you as an individual pulling your support.

[@glitchgatsby4290]

I feel like an entire generation skipped reading Fahrenheit 451

[@prbrown29]

I agree with you. I don't need some huge entity removing certain artists from my view. I can select those artists that I choose to personally "cancel" because as the professor said I don't view their "art" as "good for my soul".

[@kevinm.8682]

If you are turned off by something a person says or does, and you choose not to support, fine. But don't go after their livelihoods, their friends, their families, etc. This is especially important if we're dealing with an allegation that is unproven.

[@EyeLean5280]

Caravaggio changed the direction of Western art. He also killed a man. Should all his paintings be removed from museums? Birth of a Nation is another story, though. The work is * about * the glorification of violence against Blacks and violence against Blacks is still a tremendous problem in our country. As a film teacher, I tell my classes about it, and tell them where they can see it if they choose. In my class, however, we view other Griffith films that are frankly better and more revolutionary. (That's the dirty little secret about BOAN, it's not actually all that important to the development of film because there's nothing in it Griffith hadn't done before.) As for Hitler, most of his paintings weren't very good and the few that are well done aren't very original. So we can safely ignore his art.

[@nealpeterson]

Thank you for sharing my Sun at the end of the story

[@truepeacenik]

The uncredited art piece at the end?

[@michaelz9892]

Leave artistic genius ALONE

[@michaelcuffe14]

Censoring artistic work has immeasurable unintended consequences.

[@pam5389]

You can't just close your eyes and it all goes away. History has been made with many types of art. You can't just make everything and everyone go away just because it offends someone. Those of you without sin cast the first stone.

[@helenbaltz2388]

This professor is awesome!

[@karlhingus7118]

You find that to be awesome? My God man i feel bad for you.

[@cross75man75]

@@karlhingus7118 You think there is something wrong with someone who says, “...but what we’re not supposed to do is dispose of each other because we disagree.” ?

[@cross75man75]

@@karlhingus7118 While we're at it, why are you referring to a person more specifically a woman as "that"? problematic much?

[@jfacts2113]

Helen Baltz She doesn't know what she is talking about when it comes to MJ. Disgusting what the American and British media has been doing to that man. Watch Square One on Amazon Prime, see what the media ignores just to they could continue to demonize him and entertain people who find that entertaining

[@constancegraham4587]

Why is it that the media has to even put forth the question that this behavior should be separated from the person? Let's look the other way because we enjoy a song, a movie, or a joke. It is no joke to be sexually assaulted and then to watch as the person that did it get glorified and paid millions. The scrutiny is on our society and the media. Airing content and knowing that these artists ruined lives, families, and careers, then posing the question? Should we separate the person's art from the behavior? I suggest we separate right from wrong and act accordingly. Having sex with children and sexual assault is wrong, full stop. I do not care how talented or rich someone is... it is wrong. Oh but we all know that and the media knows it but putting on a segment with these headliners.. gives you a rating boost on a Sunday morning. This is not about canceling, this is about accountability. It is a no on separating the character, art, and behavior of men and women who abuse others and then get glorification.

[@elizabethtrainer9732]

YES! Incredibly well said!

[@pohkeee]

NOPE! I have been the victim of all types of abuse, but your premise is simply impractical. While it is the absolutely right call out, cancel and stop the behaviors that are currently are recently uncovered, I would draw the line at long ago incidences or that of a deceased persons. Why? If we cancel, remove, destroy, etc...all creations (art, literature, architecture, etc...) of all the flawed, depraved and despicable creators that have ever lived, we would have paltry little left of civilization. I fully agree from this day forward, accountability should be the highest priority, but moving forward is even more essential personally for the victims and also necessary for social stability. Finally, if your premise doesn’t include room for rehabilitation and reconciliation, count me out.

[@Anthonycheesman33]

How can you stop the behavior of dead people separate the art from the artist

[@Shullf2011]

If an artist breaks the law, then it's a criminal law issue, not an art issue. If an artist does something you consider immoral, then it's your choice to support them or not. Cancel culture is like a new version of 1950's censorship. Instead of debates about drugs and devil music, it's public shaming and the reactions of corporate sponsors. However, I find it hypocritical to focus all the attention on individual artists. Individuals are easy targets, but it's the companies that promote them that do far more damage in the world. To bad a twitter post can't end child labor or repair environmental damage.

[@rubberducky6411]

Why did the Grammies show soft core sexual innuendo on prime time TV and glorified it with awards ?

[@RocStarr913]

Because “WAP” was one of the most popular songs of 2020. They thought it would get ratings from TV’s most coveted demographic, they want a young audience for their advertising sponsors.

[@foxopossum]

“We’re all complicated people “ I agree with everything Proff Ross said. I would watch The Cosby Show too!!!!!!!!

[@josefengelhardt2767]

I Don't Think the Cosby Show is Ever going to come on Everyone's TV Screens Again. Because of Cosby's Crimes His Work Would be Abandoned by a Lot of People Cause No One wants to See his Face Ever Again No One wants Anything to do with him. No One wants to Watch his Work Anymore. Cause it's Tainted by His Criminal Behavior

[@Anastasiabeaverhausen275]

Enough with the cancel culture! So now there will be no more Picassos this is getting out of hand

[@elizabethtrainer9732]

Those who are against people being held accountable for their behavior are people who are afraid THEY might be held accountable for their own.

[@Anastasiabeaverhausen275]

@@elizabethtrainer9732 nope not me

[@lauraheller2366]

Why is David Foster Wallace included in the artwork on screen? Is it because he committed suicide or because he wrote about destructive men in “Brief Interviews with Hideous Men?” Either way, he does not belong with this group of artists with perverse private lives.

[@davidsessera1337]

I was just going to google DFW, to see what he did was so horrible. I had no idea he was one of the artists who did terrible things and needed to be cancelled.

[@davidsessera1337]

@@darcyperkins7041 You are very sharp, that is what my tone did imply, I was being lazy , and I figured I'd check later. I did do a quick Google search. Mary Karr has publicly stated that DFW stalked her and abused her. She states he moved near her after she told she did not want to see him. He would throw furniture, yell. She had to change her phone number twice. One article stated he was a serial womanizer, dated students, and was known to mistreat women.

[@TylerRakstis]

6:09-8:05 She does have good points, but there's a slight problem when people are still alive that we know that hadn't taken responsibility for their actions because well some people are very manipulative and deceitful. Unfortunately people rush in to defend them while not considering that doing it would be putting words in their mouths, and that way they don't need to explain for themselves. Because it's that cult mentality with those people.

[@ansnow]

We are all sinners. Learn from mistakes.

[@karlhingus7118]

If youre going to be on a quest for holding people accountable for the harm they do, be prepared for a lifelong quest of misery. Hello, we all do harm and cause pain. Thats the result of being human.

[@anthonyttlawson6838]

A lot of people don't want bad artist cancelled,they only want the artist they never like from the beginning to be cancelled.

[@msbrando]

Exactly

[@jfacts2113]

Anthony Tt Lawson A lot of people do research and do not believe what CBS and the rest of the corporate media serves them. It only takes a few hours to see that Jackson was innocent and his accusers are the most disgusting opportunists. Watch Square One on Amazon Prime. Eye opening documentary which CBS and the mass media ignores for a reason.

[@anthonyttlawson6838]

@@jfacts2113 I thought this show was about cancell culture, not Michael Jackson in particular. I'm implying to all of the artist and sport players.

[@jfacts2113]

@@anthonyttlawson6838 But of course CBS like the entire corporate media in the US insist that Jackson was guilty like he was convicted or there is proof against him. When he was found not guilty and there is zero proof he molested anyone. The US media has been more than evil against this poor man. In life and in death alike

[@arch7517]

The idea of forgetting about piccaso for some rubbish one is dumb and stupid

[@gregoryfaulkner5345]

Message to corporate America and the big media they conspire with: Let Morgan Wallen have his career back. He's 27 years old; he used a word one is not supposed to use on his own property with a p.o.s. neighbor filming (invading privacy) and sent to TMZ. He has apologized. Fans have said they want him reinstatated by the power of the purse but with no media voice by giving his album #1 status for ten straight weeks. A feat not matched since "Whitney" 1987; but fans have no voice in the matter. Cancel culture too strong and don't care what the masses want.

[@Gruppetstudios]

Silence, racist defender

[@LivingWithCognitiveDissonance]

Nope.

[@LivingWithCognitiveDissonance]

Wallen's fans should just send him their paychecks and sign over their cars and homes to support him. You're still free to do that. (Unless your assets went towards cans of beans and pillows. And you sound too smart to have done that. )

[@n.d.7931]

Eventually everything in life will be 'cancelled' until we're all fully programmed robots. Question is, what will life be like in the Age of Capricorn?

[@silverhawk3043]

no it wont.

[@glitchgatsby4290]

@@silverhawk3043 Yeah, N.D. taking it a bit too far lol

[@steveconn]

In the age of endless apps and phones standing for alive minds this sounds accurate.

[@baronmunchausen9252]

@@silverhawk3043 How do you know?

[@stevenfielden8955]

And what lay behind the pointing finger; - a mirrored reflection - (perhaps we recognise ourselves in art, and don't recognise what we are not)?

[@ianbauer4703]

The power of artistic expression is definitely impacted when freedom to criticize (via the Internet and social media) turns into the Spanish Inquisition.

[@BarbaraHolliday]

Who ARE the brain police... Guernica from the old Spanish name for the city of Gernika, is a large 1937 oil painting on canvas by Spanish artist Pablo Picasso. It is one of his best known works, regarded by many art critics as the most moving and powerful anti-war painting in history. It is exhibited in the Museo Reina Sofía in Madrid.

[@RebeccaRuhlman]

What does not enter your piece are the innumerable other artists that were just as good and innovative that were never let a voice because we forefront these bad actors. You can study DW Griffin but it really doesn’t add to our understanding to sit through all of birth of a nation in every film class in every university all the time. He is a paragraph. A horrible footnote in the history of cinema and giving him that much, no more and no less , is not canceling anything

[@hd-xc2lz]

@@vittoriobollo3408 It's kind of fascinating, culturally we are today experiencing something like pre-war European and Soviet socialist realism, only the proletariat are now POC and LGBTQ and the management class are white males (patriarchy). Socialist realist texts of the 1930s are rife with the term "privilege," and the claim that bourgeois (modernist) art elbows out from the public's attention more deserving working class artistic forms (folk art), has strong parallels with today's cultural conflicts.

[@dougd120]

A dating controversy is part of life and humans aren't perfect and you can separate from artists without condoning responsible actions of the past.

[@AmandaFromWisconsin]

We must protect Loretta Ross at all costs!

[@tedadams559]

I have no problem with embracing or rejecting an artist because of who, or what, they are. As long as this choice is left up to the individual! I only have problems when individuals are not free to choose for themselves which artists to select. Big Daddy Government has NO role here!

[@46ers337]

The Government is literally not doing anything here. The two Dr. Seuss books, for example. was the decision of the publisher, not the government. The disclaimers in front of films are the studios like Disney and WB, not the government. Please be more informed.

[@tedadams559]

@@46ers337 What precisely did I write that demonstrated a lack of information? It would appear that you're reading too much into what I wrote.

[@46ers337]

@@tedadams559 “I only have problems when individuals are not free to choose for themselves which artists to select. Big Day Government has NO role here!” The government is literally irrelevant to this story, none of what’s going on currently involved the government.

[@tedadams559]

@@46ers337 I didn't write that the government played any role in censoring any of the artists profiled in this particular piece by CBS. However, it's not too much of an intellectual leap on my part to fear potential future state censorship. It has happened before....even right here in the United States. Why was it illegitimate for me to broach the topic?

[@Ras7685]

CBS why did you take the Duckworth story off ?????

[@robinheintz7842]

Omgoodness is anyone perfect. This cancel culture is and uasho e too far

[@chrisfinch8637]

Cancel Culture, Climate Change, lives that matter, and other issues, have been put on the spot a lot, lately.

[@josefengelhardt2767]

I Would Buy a DVD of Firefly. One of my Favorite Shows. Cause Joss Whedon may be the Creator But That's an Ensemble Cast. And it would be Totally Unnecessary to Punish People who Worked on those Shows because of What Joss Whedon Was doing

[@Condorman12]

There is no constitutional right to not be offended.

[@miriamgreen3973]

Where are women in art museums? As the artists? More likely as the model.

[@jamiebarringer4019]

How is it "cancel culture" if people are FINALLY held accountable for violent crimes like rape and child molestation?

[@patrickdolce475]

Cancel culture and the hate mob will be remembered as one of the worst time periods in Western Culture. Why should artists and others be critiqued and canceled based on their moral failings, yet not hold the ones doing the critiquing and canceling by the same standard! Any person on the street can complain, cry foul, or play the victim, but only a few extraordinary people can make great art, perform great acting, or inspire masses of people by their deeds or character. All mankind suffers from moral failings, to pretend otherwise, is simply to lie to yourself and others! We can still admire the good that people do while still condoning the bad. In the end, whatever the mob seeks to cancel will still be remembered and admired, but those who make up the cancel mob will only be remembered as haters and bigots propped up on flimsy stage that will pass away a easily as it was erected. There is nothing extraordinary about them. CBS should ashamed to make their distasteful culture wrecking acceptable and normal!

[@steveconn]

Wow, artists are human. Shocking (though MJ's case seems far more damning than Mia Farrow's one-sided hatchet job). Revenge of the mediocrities with cultural fascism.

[@jfacts2113]

steve conn What?? That anti MJ propaganda film was totally one-sided and debunked years ago. The media's credibility is on the line when it comes ot this man as they depicted him as a monster for decades. They refuse to report the litany of evidence that his accusers are in fact liars, crooks vultures who took advantage of an easy target. Watch Square One on Amazon Prime and then tell us why any sane person shoudl think MJ was a pedophile

[@rumblefish9]

One-sided hatchet job? Allen had an affair with his adopted daughter and married her. If you think that isnt creepy or wrong enough, maybe take a look at your own self.

[@steveconn]

@@rumblefish9 She was twenty-one and they've been married nearly thirty years. College professors do it all the time.

[@jfacts2113]

@@rumblefish9 soon Yi was never his adopted daugther and the HBO hatched job exist because Dylan accused him not because he had sex with a grown woman

[@ovh992]

If an artist was anti semitic, there would be no possibility of museum exhibitions and retrospectives for an artist. But if an artist is derogatory to "others", then that is ok. We bicker over anti black, anti woman, ant gay. We don't bicker over anti Jewish art or anti Jewish movies - because those never were let off the ground to begin with.

[@hd-xc2lz]

Utter baloney. The 20thC canon of European cultural/intellectual greats is loaded with Anti-semites.

[@patricedecourcy4505]

Why only artists? Maybe we should cancel everything? Shall I throw away my washing machine because (maybe) its designer had no morals?

[@petemartin6270]

the Information Age is a lot. doing what people have always done, that is, respond to the situation in front of them largely from a morality-inspired emotional place, is made so much more difficult simply because we have magnitudes more information to sift through.

[@SP123311]

Can anyone explain why Neil degrasse tyson is uncanceled who was accused of much worse than ck, who actually apologized?

[@LivingWithCognitiveDissonance]

I'm guessing that you're not pleased with the results of the Museum's investigations. Or maybe you're just spewing... (cherry-pick some example involving someone or something you like or dislike.) Did you approve of the exhaustive investigation of the accusations against Justice Kavanaugh? They left no stone unturned in their quest for the truth, right?

[@SP123311]

@@LivingWithCognitiveDissonance I'm just asking a question. He seems like the only celebrity I can think of who was successfully uncanceled. It seems a museum investigation is enough to uncancel someone accused of sexual assault? I didn't know that was the standard. Good to know!

[@LivingWithCognitiveDissonance]

@@SP123311 Fair enough. I mistakenly assumed that you thought he did something bad but got away with it because he's a liberal or something Maybe you're old enough to remember when cancel culture was basically Boycotting. Fascinating story behind that term. Comedy is often based on walking a line. Lots of what we laugh about is uncomfortable. The more I think about it the less comfortable I am with my old favorites. And I laughed everything from classic madcap comedies to Hasan Minhaj. I'm kinda sorry that the Flintstones and the Ricardos feel so cringey to me now.

[@SP123311]

@@maryannponterella3390 Exactly. Very few people seem to get away with some horrendous behavior. Is it that what Wahlberg and Tyson did is so normal and what ck did was so weird? I don't understand the preferential treatment of some. I was a big Tyson fan but 4 accusers? It's a bit hard to believe that he never did anything wrong and has nothing to apologize for. And I think Wahlberg's violent tendencies are fairly well established. I just don't get it.

[@julieisthatart]

Is this like the opposite of love the sinner, hate the sin? We want to love the art, hate the artist?

[@DM-lc2cf]

The media controls all this, depending on who their darling or villain. You are in or out depending on what faction is in control.

[@TOSStarTrek]

I want to know how they will stop it it?

[@sasamichan]

ruining peoples lives because you disagree with there opinions or actions is wrong and should not take away from there accomplishments. You will NEVER find such a thing as a person who has NEVER said or done some thing that some one considers immoral or inappropriate. Rather judge people on how often they do some thing wrong or how wrong the thing they did was. Stop picking at minor things. Especially if the thing they did was normal at the time they did it.

[@larsickenroth7169]

'I think most artists are probably terrible people'. Yep, that doesn't sound offensive at all...

[@EastSide-qc5oy]

She didn’t say “most” she said “lots of”

[@AnneLeighton]

We're supporting the wrong artists. There are many that were shoved out of the way by more aggressive career-hungry people.

[@mirandac8712]

FINE. Why don't we just have two countries then. (We already do.) The people who love Mozart and Michael Jackson and Patti Smith and Picasso and Biggie Smalls and Francis Bacon over HERE. We'll deal with the terrible moral problems ourselves, thanks. And on the other side, enjoy your Disney Plus Rainbow Unicorn Gigglepuff Smileybubble Carebears Captain Wonderful America First, where princesses and puppydogs and kittycats frolic during the easter egg marshmallow puff hunt, while you destroy yourselves with your own passive aggressive superior than thou pseudo morality.

[@calvin_bnks]

Uh uh, that lady was annoying... I’d rather see the Mona Lisa then some dude off the streets painting 🧐🧐

[@hankforeman91]

Good food for thought as always.

[@jfacts2113]

Hank Foreman Yes it's always nice to see how the American mass media demonizes Michael Jackson and ignores the hundreds of facts which points to his innocence. Fact is the US and UK media have been attacking that man since the 80s and repeatedly paid people to falsely accuse him and profited from entertaining people like you who won't fact check anything they serve you

[@hankforeman91]

@@jfacts2113 I was only speaking from a general standpoint. I did not say anything about MJ at all. Okay?

[@jfacts2113]

@@hankforeman91 I get that, but I was referring to this video, the inclusion of that horribly misleading headline about Jackson and CBS's relentless promotion of false accusations against him. Am I right to assume if you had been falsely accused and you were included in this video along with proven criminals you would have a different reaction?

[@hankforeman91]

@@jfacts2113 Most likely.

[@jfacts2113]

@@hankforeman91 Thanks for you honestly. And therein lies the problem. The media can normalize calling an innocent man guilty through repetition until it becomes so routine so widely accepted that nobody objects against it anymore even though they would if the media was doing the same against them.

[@misshelloareyouthere]

NOTICE! Black community is not hardcore canceling artist/ musician

[@derrickschultz6871]

Professor Ross is right on.

[@Dhhtyu4566]

Art transcends people - that’s the whole point of art basically - it transcends the artists and transcends the viewer

[@leiajiang7877]

No it doesn't, it's all just capitalism

[@triciagaudioso5514]

@@leiajiang7877 Art isnt capitalism. Art existed since the dawn of civilization thousands of years before capitalism

[@callierandall8522]

God fobid if we express ourselves in any form that doesn't harm anyone or anything. You discard because you don't like it, therefore no one else will, good grief. Takes one person to start a negative and its ok. I don't get it.

[@the_resourceful]

I follow Prof. Ross's train of thought.

[@jfacts2113]

Nancy N Yeah another white person refusing the accept the evidence of Michael Jackson's innocence. And of course the corportate media which profited from the lies about that man gives her a platform.

[@meropetied]

I want to take her classes!

[@samoyed81966]

Too late to sue Michael Jackson! He had passed away in 2009. Please let him rest in peace.

[@banesbox]

Cancel culture is no different than regulating free speech. Everything everyone does, every single day, will offend someone, somewhere, every single time. The problem is now everyone has an unfiltered voice to express being offended via social media and will find an audience because of the other people in the offended person's social group. Solution? If you're offended, dont watch, don't look, mind your business.

[@drewhendley]

Hope it’s not divide and conquer

[@anaa236]

CBS SUCKS for getting rid of Sharon OSBORNE...I hope she sues this channel for discrimination and unlawful termination!

[@marryellenmonahan5585]

Birth of a Nation changed the trajectory of America.

[@RocStarr913]

I think the culture of the South in general after Reconstruction was already setting that in motion.

[@bccolli4191]

As l watch things that are supposed to be horrible insulting or whatever I always try to find some good in it. For instance in the film classic 'Birth of a Nation' when they are disarming black people the tagline on the screen said 'Disarming the Blacks.' Okay so guess what that's a good thing. And it is a good thing because that movie was made in 1915 or so. I would have expected it to say 'Disarming the N's. I have always loved the 'Little Rascals' and not many will tell you this but in mostly every episode the characters black and white are on equal footing just kids having a blast. Now is there prejudice and racism in it yes of course. However did it empower black actors in the 1930's a time of rampant racism...yes it absolutely did and that is precisely why I still watch and love it. I simply like being an individual and applying my own logic to life. It's not that difficult...make better tomorrow's yes but those tomorrows should be based on learning from the past and finding ways of moving on...not erasing a past that cannot/will not be changed.

[@ricerice9437]

Beautiful.

[@baketeach]

Louie C.K. is a comic GOD

[@canugizabit2810]

i find it comforting that all the ladies interviewed here are definitely safe from men !!

[@Condorman12]

How much does the PC police force pay ? Where can I apply. I want , as a lilly white middle aged male , to be a professional victim. No wait a minute , I am a stereotype criminal. Nevermind.

[@maungl]

My how easy it is for males and those who have been lucky enough not to be violated/abused/raped to say we should move on. Every single female who has experienced it carries it every fricking day of their life. And I'm not leaving out that it's not always a male as the abuser or a female as the victim.

[@ra639]

So so much for due process and fairness- just destroy any man who is ever accused - brilliant answer- you do not have a monopoly on suffering - men suffer at the hands of women every day- it's called Divorce and Family Court

[@tamarameier1324]

This is clearly propaganda to up hold the value of the works by these artists. I wonder how much CBS and their affiliates have ownership of these works? Imagine if you own a Picasso that was worth millions of dollars and now that value has plummeted? We shouldn’t celebrate despicable people. If they unapologetically ruin other people’s lives due to their actions in my view their work is trash. This is not about art it’s about the all mighty dollar.

[@AmandaFromWisconsin]

"If they unapologetically ruin other people’s lives due to their actions..." You mean like the people who demand they be "cancelled"?

[@101RealTalker]

I'm sorry but if you're going to start "cancelling" human beings for having flaws then everyone needs to be cancelled....Kevin Spacey deserved to finish House of Cards, lol

[@dcoleman4444]

This is the destruction of art, comedy, creativity. This cancel culture has gotten ridiculous. Can you say "North Korea?"

[@RocStarr913]

Theres a difference between North Korea and here. This isn’t the government generating this. This is mainly private corporations afraid of losing consumers and public corporations afraid of losing their stockholders.

[@KitC916]

More women in museums, please

[@jimmyowens758]

Nothing new under the sun. Anybody remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks?

[@mattwas2896]

I say let people speak with their wallets and consumption. I Itwould not watch Roseanne even if she were not canceled. Kevin Hart and Tracy Morgan made homophobic remarks and I would never watch anything they are in or buy anything they endorsed. There is a double standard with cancel culture Tracy Morgan and Kevin Hart still get work and endorsements which is sad because it is like saying homophobia is ok.but racism isn’t. The same rules should apply to all.

[@mattwas2896]

@HonkeyConk I am saying it is great when companies do the right thing like ABC firing Rosanne but consumes need boycott companies that don’t like Chase Bank who had Kevin Hart in their marketing

[@darrellenglish8528]

Let's all become Pilgrims and start Burning Witches .... We need to put Grim back in Pilgrim

[@ussexeter4601]

You have to separate the art from the artist. John Lennon could be a nasty person, but liked his work as a Beatle/Solo Beatle.

[@jfacts2113]

USS EXETER The fact is Michael Jackson's art is more evidence of his innocence. If only the media took the time and listen to his lyrics and look deeper. His true character is all there.

[@shericet]

burn it burn it all

[@BrianSJoe21]

Yet you praise WAP and glorify the more vulgar..? Explain that...

[@RocStarr913]

They hoped the Grammy performance would get ratings and most of the audience they wanted didn’t really care.

[@shlomovenezia101]

Hey fam give the guy a break 😇💔🎂

[@maybebabyny]

Very rare to see an academic totally comfortable with a missing front tooth.

[@elizabethtrainer9732]

She has a GAP, NOT a missing tooth.

[@jwheeler1106]

And attacking a woman’s appearance anonymously makes you feel good why?

[@christinewade5129]

It’s called a diastema , naturally occurring space between the two front teeth she is beautiful and extremely knowledgeable and you should just take your post down

[@loadedfun4764]

Yeah.... it’s called a diastema .

[@maybebabyny]

@@jwheeler1106 I think she looks great. Why do you think otherwise?

[@jeffrice4713]

Of course she thinks The Cosby Show should be on the air. Hmmm.

[@CheefChaos]

Disgusting that Jacko's music is still played on the radio.

[@paulkeefe2304]

I holding her dentist and hair dresser accountable.

[@isaacsaad2564]

The longing steven ironically tame because furniture unsurprisingly preserve anenst a acid crayon. overrated, chief persian

[@MsMassiel11]

Cancel Culture is not real. Holding these creeps accountable for their disgusting behavior Is necessary and the only way that their money and power will not get in the way of justice for the victims of their crimes. They will be fine in the longrun