Canon's WEIRD R5 lens might be BRILLIANT? VR 180 for RF!

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Canon announced the 5.2mm f2.8 DOUBLE fisheye 180 VR 3D lens, specificalyl for the Canon R5 (sdp.io/r5) and 8k video. It looks crazy, but it might be crazy like a fox. See, this lens is designed to create video content in the 180 VR format which can be viewed through Virtual Reality headsets like the Oculus Quest (sdp.io/quest), which we use. There's a problem, though: Almost nobody actually uses 180 VR.
Tony Northrup discusses who actually will use this lens and why the format might never gain popularity.

[@VRHowTo]

"I can't show you this on 2-dimensional KZbin". KZbin has pretty good support for VR180. You can't blame KZbin for this one!

[@WeareVRMUSIC]

That‘s Right!👍

[@ochjoo77]

We all know in which business this lens will thrive 😁

[@chinmayasinghrawat4622]

😆😆😆 💦

[@K9malinois_dog_love]

Hey that can be revolutionary

[@video2193]

Ohhhhh ... offcourse 😉

[@nafnaf0]

Yeah he says there isn't much content. There is tons of content in said genre. Still for this to be really useful you need an 8K 60fps camera. Canon should be releasing a true 8K60fps camera within the next year or two

[@springrollwang4441]

VR contents is really not developing in balance way. few good games, few 3d videos, and a ton of porn. porn is really the driving force for technology.

[@1ryanlc]

This is an innovative lens and I would never want to discourage a company from innovating

[@Gravelbomber]

My grandpa was very into "stereo photography". He had several cameras that had 2 lenses, and took 2 photos simultaneously. Then he had viewers to to look at the image in 3D. Most of his stuff was from around 1900. He had a huge collection of vintage cameras. I wish I knew then what I know now.

[@qporit]

Are any of his photos (or videos?) or equipment still around?

[@Gravelbomber]

@@qporit I wish. Most of it got auctioned off, and some went to my uncles.

[@aight365]

Any public pics we can see online?

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

I hope he could enjoy the 3d TV technology around 2010..

[@jaredneaves7007]

Would be amazing if you could recover some before it is lost forever and scan them. Hell a company like oculus might pay you shit loads for something unique like that

[@truthseeker6804]

dude how you start the breaking news is funny. starts from a serious tone then blends into your normal tone. lol.

[@slyvillaestiva4299]

with the taking off glasses so intense hahah

[@Paul_Wetor]

I make my own stereo photos with two identical cameras side-by-side on a board, then view them with an old stereoscope and a phone. Some things you can never really capture properly in 2D, like snow piles or snow drifts.

[@Mike0193Azul]

You mentioning the family videos in the future is exactly what inspired me to start shooting VR. 💚 It's going to be as meaningful as watching family home vhs movies. I transfered all the vhs videos to digital to cherish the memories forever.😊

[@KaidoLP]

This might be useful for another thing. Creating depth maps with a single camera to use them in VFX of for anything else requiring depth maps, maybe fast 3d scanning and texture creation too

[@dominicvideograph6426]

This lens will certainly sell great, and there will be a lot of content and a lot of consumers for the produced content. Because that is a lens made for the production of porn.

[@tayloriginals999]

I mean, you're not wrong, it seems like most of the content in VR or 3D is in porn. Porn leads the way sometimes, doesn't it? The home video market back in the day was led by porn as well it seems. I mean, I'm not an expert or anything....

[@AlexGreenberg1]

@@tayloriginals999 It def does lead the way. The internet is what it is today because of porn. Watch the movie Middle Men

[@pupupoopface]

Haha, I wasn’t going to mention it... but yeah, you’re right. That’s the industry that will make or break it. :^D

[@ProgrammistMusic]

unfortunately 8K/30 or 4K/60 is not enough for a decent VR180 experience. You need at least 5K/60 or 6K/60 today. The combination of this lens and the R5 is way behind in terms of current used technology for VR180 content.

[@allansh828]

i just realize why RED’s new RF mount camera can shoot 8K 120P

[@youtech4594]

but it costs $25k

[@liaminwales]

@@youtech4594 25K is cheep for film cameras.

[@charliebingaman571]

@@youtech4594 people generally don’t buy those but rent them when they need them. $25k is reasonable considering 2 years ago 8K entry prices were over $45k

[@mikegrok]

@@youtech4594 The camera is much cheaper than a staff of 20 to work it for a few months. Plus it will be rented along with all of the other stuff for the duration of the project for 20% of the purchase price.

[@youtech4594]

@@aceflibble I said it is expensive because Tony said casual people will use this lens to take videos for his kids not big productions

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

Stereo slide photography was a thing back in the 1950s and my dad had a 3D camera. We have several boxes of slides from family vacations. A few years ago I was able to track down a stereo slide viewer. It's cool going back to those old slides every once in a while to revisit those trips. I've never tried VR in any form. Maybe it would work for my kids and grandkids. I do have an R5 but this lens isn't one I'd get for my own content creation.

[@instantsiv]

As soon as I saw this 12:36 it all made sense to me. Back when google did their cardboard 3d viewing thing you could make for yourself I got excited and tried to make one myself but learned you had to buy magnifying glasses to make it work so I tabled that idea. One thing I learned doing research was pretty much the only real content out there is the, ryhmes with corn, industry. This is for corn producers. LOL. I shouldn't laugh but I guess times are just that tough for Canon, along with everyone else,... when they're servicing the corn industry.

[@nordic5490]

Nothing like good corn

[@toejamr1]

Corn is always pushing the camera industry.

[@tayloriginals999]

corn has led the way in the past as well. The home video market boomed because of corn.

[@benjones5799]

I watched a concert done with cuts in vr180... The band was a bit meh, but it was the coolest thing. I think vr180 will be a game changer if people ever get to trying it

[@MysticMaven]

I will always prefer watching 3d over 2D content. Especially my home videos. Im going to get this just to shoot home video. Also watch the slomo guys in vr180. Amazing!

[@ryandodd8941]

This lens would be very useful in areal photography for mapping. Companys and governments would love to pay $6000 to have a digital stereo camera because it is an order of magnitude cheaper than other alternatives.

[@marconius101]

plus you need the VR set ( another 1000 $) and a computer with GPU like NVIDIA RTX 3060 (again 1000$)

[@hubick]

It's worth noting that, when you talk about the 120hz refresh on a VR headset, that's how fast it's updating the image displayed on screen based on the movement and direction of your head, where if that's too slow, the fluid in your ears mismatches the signal from your eyes, and it makes you sick. The frame rate of the *content* you're viewing using that headset is something different, and all the traditional pros/cons for faster/slower framerates apply as they do in traditional non-VR mediums - where a slower 30/60hz obviously isn't a nice, but it won't make you sick.

[@RyanLImagery]

This is how we shot our 3d movies. The first one I worked on was TX Chainsaw 3D and we shot it with 2 offset camera called Stereoscopy. We had to edit both angles to give a 3D look in theaters.

[@mercsport]

At 12'39" I managed to freeview a stereo pair, after establishing whether to cross my eyes or set my eyes to focus on infinity: parallel viewing. A bit of a success, brief as it was. Most of my life of travel has been chronicled using the post war Stereo Realist camera created by Seton Rochwhite. I've have several and the best one optically was one of the earliest, built by the David White company in 1947. I enjoy stereo slides in my battery handviewer still. All that aside, 3D Stereo photography and cineography will come of age when we are unencumbered by headsets, or clunky eyeware and the like. In science and industry it is a major tool. There is also a book co-authored by Brian May illustrating the Apollo spaceflight era of stereos.

[@stevenwilson8718]

I still love the 3d movies. I have a Samsung 3d TV that I will never get rid of and I still buy every 3d movie that comes out even though there are much less now days. The glasses are not the big kind with batteries but the same as the movie theaters have so they don't cause any headaches. I still love having 3d movie night and the kids love it too even though they are getting older.

[@trishrolt722]

7:54 slight correction: the original Oculus Quest actually had a refresh rate of 90 Hz. The Oculus Go, Oculus's first standalone headset, was limited to 60 Hz.

[@SorenBagley]

glad to see u covering vr. this is definitely the future of media.

[@iuriius]

Thanks for updating us on this 👍👀📷

[@jdenn3]

this is an incredibly helpful video, thank you

[@koga1330]

I know one specific industry where this is useful. (And that's pretty much it.)

[@liaminwales]

When I saw this lens I was amazed by how cheep it was for such an unusual lens, the second thing was a suspicion that canon had made this with a customer. I wonder if Holywood wants a 5D like small 3D camera for films. We have seen 5D's used in films like Mad Max where they need a small cheep camera to chuck on something for a shot and not care if it brakes (compared to some high end camera it's cheep). Facebook is also doing a push for more AR content so maybe it's them & google also comes to mind.

[@bobw222]

Vitrimin made one of these for the GoPro years ago. And... many many years ago Kodak and other companies made "Stereo Cameras" for 35MM and 828 Film that had two lenses. Go back even further and you find the Stereopticons. Everything old is new again.

[@tim1398]

Panasonic did a stereo lens for the Lumix system (targeted to play back on their 3D TVs) but it was f14, and did not work for video recording bizarrely enough. A friend of mine had film 3D camera and it is kind of cool. I think there is a market. My Galaxy S10 can create VR panoramas I found out, you play them on Google cardboard. It's kind of neat.

[@PavlosPapageorgiou]

Hmm... I'd like to watch a well-made movie like Rogue One in 180 on a headset. I think the 180 field of view is the sell, and the stereoscopic part is just so it doesn't feel weird. Not sure what it would cost to shoot regular cine and 180 takes. It would probably involve retakes, but maybe that's a fraction of the overall cost.

[@Skipsul]

I'm one of those who gets incredibly motion sick for hours while using VR of any kind. Doesn't matter how "immersive" this stuff is, won't be able to use it.

[@Xanoxis]

More expensive headsets perform much better in terms of reducing motion sickness. Valve Index is very good with high refresh rate. With time good ergonomics will go into cheaper ones too.

[@garrettstevensen2467]

Same motion sickness here…

[@TripleVR]

If you tried it years ago and got motion sickness, modern headsets may eliminate that completely. Give it another go.

[@AlexGreenberg1]

Tony are you familiar with the Reto 3D 35mm Film Camera? I'm wondering if this lens would allow for interesting photography possibilities. Great video breaking down your thoughts. I just recently bought an R5 and can't wait for it to arrive and I can start working with it! P.S. I also recently passed my part 107 big thanks to you!! legend for that video. pce

[@researchDarren]

360 is going to continue grow in bounds, and I am so stoked canon jumped out on this one similar to how they changed the game with they OG Mark 2…I been filming 360 content for headset and for 2D output, I agree with what your saying about jumping into moments in the future, it’s one of the coolest things for sure, I have done it now with people in the same location as the footage was shot 3 years difference in time on one project and the pay of was incredible. Live streaming 360 is amazing and just the fact that you have so many ways to use the same file after filming is really going to be a game changer if the quality can continue to rise with more people creating content. We just need to continue experimenting I think so many people have not really explored all its potential, I use it in almost all my projects now after starting to integrate 6 years ago and really only see my use increasing with this new release, I hope you follow this release more! I can’t wait!! ✨🙏🏿❤️‍🔥

[@trinifoto8927]

I've been looking for something like this since the release of the Apple Vision Pro. Have you tried your videos in the AVP as yet?

[@jaredneaves7007]

You broke it down really well. I have invested a lot of money in 360 cameras for my future viewing but my use of my quest 2 has me scrambling to try and find some consumer 180 product I can use now.

[@esmokebaby]

I was thinking of getting a iPad pro 2021 for video and photo editing on the go what on photoshop will I be missing out on with the iPad compared to the desktop? Or should I get surface pro7 (pro 8 is way to much I can get a pc better at the price they want for it) or better touch screen option than thos I don't know abought

[@Witscher]

I'm using the Playstation VR headset for a year now. It's one of the most interesting technologies I've ever used. Even if the resolution and the weight aren't ideal the experience in 180 or 360 is so much more immersive than watching 2D videos. These experiences are what lead me to this video because I love the idea of new and affordable solutions for content creators - even if it's not sure when this technology will be as important as it should be.

[@onebeyond5394]

This lens came to my attention two nights ago when perusing through the Oculus Quest Metaverse store where it was demonstrated by a young film maker who created a musical dance video. Immediately from the very start of the music video I was absolutely blown away as the opening scene took place within an elevator crammed with people. With my Oculus Quest 2 headset on, siting on my couch I turned my head from left to right feeling gob smacked with the never before experience that made positioned my fully immersive perspective as though I was also huddled within the elevator as I turned to see the gentleman and lady standing each by my side with one of the actors who was standing in front of my surprised me as she turned her head and looked me in the eye acknowledging my presence. My 2D Go Pro Max is about to get shelled because I am definitely purchasing this complete game changer of a lens and the Canon R5 that is the only camera that is able to capture footage that if it is a short or full feature film, the viewer will be for the first time in cinematic history not given one perspective that the camera operator shoots from, this will enable viewers to move within the scene and watch the film from any perspective they choose. As far as wether or not there is a demand or not, this is a true opportunity to be one of the first pioneers in creating our own independent platforms within the Metaverse because you can, as I have done and will be doing again, create your own Occulus Quest Metaverse space as a developer for free. Also, the 3D TV”s that fizzled out is no comparison to the current commercial applications of using such a cutting edge vr camera technology within the Metaverse BECAUSE we now have the block chain Cryptocurrency that is part of the new virtual reality commerce where uploads will be available to be offered as NFT”s that motivate individuals to own a share of the film or debut artist film. Imagine if we had the opportunity to own a piece of Michael Jackson’s epic Thriller video that has gone done in history as the most successful music video of all time. Now we can.

[@tunnis7us]

very good review of 3d video emergion vs 3d computer animation totally agree with all the points.

[@Ben-rz9cf]

I think the most interesting VR camera is the insta360 one R. Because it is so modular, it can do 180 3D vr, 360 VR, and can also be rebuilt to just work like a gopro type action camera. That and it also has a rig to mount it to DJI drones which the potential for filmmaking is incredible. But i agree that both the capability to consume and shoot content needs to be readily and cheaply available for a technology to catch on.

[@renatocustodio1000]

Well, I feel like getting my 3DS out of storage now. The last time I've played with its camera I didn't know a thing about photography yet

[@ColinRobertson_LLAP]

I assume the way most content created in 180º VR would allow for head movement as you'd only be viewing a smaller "crop" of the scene (hence the need for 8K or higher) and you have a full 180º to look around in. Of course, it might be weird to look around in 120Hz while the motion of the content is only 30 or 60 fps... In any case, it's a cool lens. I'm sure as the years go by Canon will have RF mount cameras that can shoot 8K in 120fps that would make VR content much more natural.

[@mikegrok]

I have “glascope” glasses with prisms that let me view side by side 3D content on my laptop. It can also be adjusted to larger displays. One of the more amazing sets of pictures I have are several pictures I took while flying over Canyonlands National Park. I took the pictures about 10 seconds apart. In 3D it looks like I am sitting in front of a card table with the landscape before me. A god’s eye view of the world.

[@Olivyay]

14:30 What do you mean, 'concepts'? The HTC Evo 3D was a production model, I owned it. ☺ (it was also a very good phone beside the 3D)

[@dragonphotostudio]

Ive been toying with 360 and vr content for a few years now. Always falling short on the final quality. I think there are some potential applications here for family driven memories like weddings or anniversaries. Virtual tours would be great in 180 vr. Ive also created boudoir videos in vr and this would be SO much better in that aspect to be able to add lighting and movement and 3D!

[@fernsehdesign]

have seen some short entertainment pieces on my (now already old) Oculus GO. And loved it, cause its closer to „being there“ than anything. And there is this one handheld cat video on youtube, where you can see a lot of details and the cat comes real close. That is very intense for a short clip where there us nothing happening reallly. So I see potential for it.

[@perilthecat]

It’s good that someone made it! With all the Sony kit you have, why bother adapting an old DSLR lens to an R6 when you can just stick the 24mm GM on your A1? Or an A7S3?

[@nsvaluto48328]

Ok on your camera for every budget video. You said most videos/pictures can be shot on a good cell phone. So can I do what this kit provides on my cellphone without buying this Canon r5 and vr lens?

[@abs2fast2furios]

This, paired with binaural mics, would be fantastic for shooting virtual concerts.

[@rickbear7249]

I totally agree, 360VR would be great for "immersive gaming" but we do need to be directed where to look in most productions.

[@Shikibara]

I love the idea of VR, I love my Valve Index headset and the games I play on it. The immersion and just next level to the gaming experience is a show for where the industry of interactive content is going. That said, the whole VR/3D concept is one that has been struggling to get into motion. With gaming it took until the Quest (arguably the Quest 2) to make it not just affordable for the general consumer, but also have a great enough market to justify more development of games with VR. So over the next few years I can foresee the VR gaming industry continuing to grow as more high end and affordable options are developed and games are developed for people to play. But that leads to the issue with VR video. The issues of VR video are for the most part listed in this video, and I agree with all of them. Creating professional content for VR is a challenge, even professional 3D is questionable due to the issue of demand. But it gets into the circle issue of why make hardware for something that has no content, and why make content for something that has no hardware? I do believe that 3D phone screens will probably be the biggest push to validation of this type of production, but I think in the meantime independent creators should continue to make use of the resources we have and develop content for it regardless. Unless there is something to consume with new hardware, not many people will buy it. Here is where I think we're already in a good situation and should move forward. Travel Vlogs. Unlike films where you need to be focusing on a specific framing and have everything carefully laid out and presented by the creators, with travel vlogs and other similar types of content, being able to look around is a benefit! There are things constantly going on when a creator is walking around, so being able to look around not just allows you to experience more, but also gives you replayability as you can see the video from at least 4 key perspectives. In terms of just pure 3D content, there are some ideas that I would like to see if are possible, but will be trial and error for sure. A major thought I have had is an answer to the issue of the video being unmoving in 3D. If you move your head or tilt it in any way, the video will stay static in the way it was filmed since it isn't 3D. So What if you are wearing a VR headset and it puts you in a cinema or other type of room environment where you are looking at a screen, and each eye will see the screen in the room, but only show the corresponding image (left eye gets left image, right eye gets right image). I'm not sure how the brain would process that, but if it processes it as intended to create the 3D effect w/o issues, then you can look around, tilt your head, and nothing will be jarring since you're then looking around in a virtual space.

[@malmedia]

👓 The opening removal of the glasses are getting better and better! 😅🤣😂

[@janoudman2695]

Maybe a lens like this might be nice for virtual production. It does absolutely need a longer focal length for that though. My reason is that you can create a good depth map from the content which could be used for geometrically correcting lights on your actor in post production. I do admit there is much wrong with this idea, but it is a nice application.

[@B9scrambler]

This will be a game changer for VR... adult content.

[@kaminobatto]

I'm all in for creativity and innovation. I know the tech itself is nothing new but to have it in the mirrorless prosumer/professional space for a mass produced body is original. The irony is that you'd think Sony should have been the first to introduce such a lens to their lineup since they're the ones who led the 3D revolution back in the late noughties!

[@onlysublime]

when you do VR, you are splitting the resolution. with an 8K sensor, that means you get a 4K VR video. people were "misled" when they bought something that had 2560x1440 resolution and wondered why the video was so soft, only to learn that each eye got 1280x1440. And the true view is more like 1280x1280 in each eye for this example. Those "5.2K" cameras don't really advertise that videos would be half that resolution.

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

8k is equal to 4 4k displays, not 2. 45 MP vs 12 MP. 2 4k screens is collectively equal to a 6k image, roughly 24 MP.

[@nafnaf0]

Yeah they claim 8K, and it's really 7680x3840. (3840x3840 per eye). I'm not sure how else you would measure it though

[@francischang]

You should do a video about what you use your VR goggles for!

[@landwaterandthewild]

I think canon is experimenting with the 8k to get it up to speed. Taking the R5c and matching it up with the dual fisheye, they could pave way for their new VR concept that they have been working on

[@TyKix]

Understand a massive issue with 3D 180 suffers from vertical parallax issues and this corrects that and will be a game changer for the future of VR. Most high end 180 are from dual body dual lens rigs and this new setup by Canon halves that price. To have a R5 for fixed perspective and 180 VR is incredible for flexibility.

[@nafnaf0]

The FM Duo VR180 essentially took two R5s and jammed them together into a single VR camera. The nice thing about this is it's still an ILC.

[@hoppermedia6247]

Looking at it, you're well versed into the consumers detail. Very well scripted. New subscriber here! Keep it up !

[@ericalvarez9345]

Just like 3D, great concept but a little ahead of the consumer tech. This lens is amazing and seriously the future of VR moving forward. We just need cameras that can support AT LEAST 6k 60fps with this lens but 8k 60fps is really the ideal spot moving forward. I personally own and use an Evo, pair of gopro cameras and a K2 Pro and if the right camera existed for this lens right now, I would dump all my cameras for a setup like this in a heartbeat. Lets hope the momentum continues and this release gives us VR aficionados enough wind under our market to see more innovation come out soon.

[@__jairomartinez__]

Thank you for addressing the fact about canon not producing wide angle primes such as the 24mm 1.4. It is frustrating to see such a weird lens while waiting for those fast rf primes. What are you doing Canon?

[@Bladeclaw00100]

I was asked a long time ago if 3D and VR are tha future. My response was only if it fits the content. For example if you have an idea you can deviled that idea in a picture, video, song, book, website, video game, with features that maybe suitable for it such as surround sound, film, 3D, VR, panorama imaging, etc. First find out what way you want to express your idea and then pick what media and format best suits that content.

[@blaspayri]

very interesting reflection on the VR 180 limitations. To paraphrase a well known politician, VR 180 has been, is, and will be a feature of the future.

[@nafnaf0]

Yeah I 100% agree with Tony here, VR360 sucks. I am surprised there aren't many high quality VR180 options available (it's essentially the Z Cam K1 Pro, K2 Pro, and $20k FM Duo VR180). If this lens is pretty sharp, and doesn't suffer from too much chromatic aberrations, it could be a real winner when paired with a future release Canon 8K 60fps camera

[@ww3ok]

Good info, well thought out.

[@Seeitmove]

Thank you, Tony!🖖

[@TheJadedFilmMaker]

"breaking news" 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😬😬 gets me each time I hear that hahahaha

[@pancakerizer]

My eyes are closer together than average. This makes everyone in 180° VR look like giants.

[@christopherwheatley9036]

I like my 2011 panasonic 180vr lens ... the lenses are too close together, but that can be an advantage with macro-ish scenes. works great with video, but F5.6(?) requires a lot of light!

[@MrMtbunker]

Great overview

[@toejamr1]

When you talked about family VR videos, it clicked.. totally doing this.

[@directoni]

Amazing video Tony! you are my tocayo!

[@giorgiobogoni73]

Can I think of taking the file from R5 and inserting it directly into the Oculus Quest 2? Without any PC processing or post-production work? Canon saves the two points of view in the 8k frame exactly where and how the Oculus wants them to reproduce the original VR 180 3D scene? in this case I believe there is a future.

[@nafnaf0]

Workflow will be much similar regardless. Once Canon releases a true 8K60fps camera it will be a game-changer for VR content

[@isaiahblue5853]

I'm more intrigued in the possibilities of more professional full frame 180 Cameras (not necessarily VR), with horizon leveling and reframing capabilities like what Insta360 has going on.

[@shizenjapan]

Interesting as I had a 3D smartphone around 8 years ago. You could take photos and videos in 3D and then view them on the phone and they would be 3D. That technology has already been invented, but never took off. I still have that phone somewhere. I think people were just not interested in it. Maybe now it will slowly take off, not sure.

[@ecmjr]

Didn’t Panasonic try this before in their camcorder sector?

[@liaminwales]

there's some parsonic lens for M4/3 I think.

[@alfy1269]

Tony going to boil over at the excitement of getting hold of a new, technical, freaky piece of kit. Chelsea, calm him down before he pops!!!! Cool stuff though.

[@idkidkikik]

Tony, have you tried Insta360? they have VR 180 camera too....

[@wookiee.gunner]

I wonder if part of the reason for 8K is that allows it to record two 4K streams.

[@richiebricker]

I will watch anything in 3D. I was waiting to buy a Vuse 3D used or if the price came down. 3D doesnt have to be 180 degrees, In fact it should be like a regular camera 80 or 90 or something

[@samuireef]

Will this lens be able to be used with a Canon R6 in the near future?

[@bishfrie]

Is vuze the same brand that used to be azureus?

[@milkedition]

I wonder how clean the 8K30 would look interpolated to 8K60. Better or worse than a potential native 6K60?

[@nafnaf0]

8K 60fps or better with a good system / setup is where it's really at for VR. The Z Cam K2 Pro delivers very impressive 5K footage, much better than most of the other 6K and 7K footage I have seen

[@legendp2011]

I do think the Oculus Rift S is much more comfortable than the quest 2. Although 3rd party headstraps (or 1st party), like the quest 2 elite battery head-strap help the comfort a bit....hopefully the upcoming quest2+ rumoured to launch later this month can help alleviate some of those issues. Edit: although I think interactive animated stories will be far more popular in vr (due to how you can lean and look around)

[@olereidar]

Looking forward to downloading some 8K test footage to watch with my VR rig. It’s just stereoscopic video though, I wouldn’t call it VR.

[@qporit]

Call it xR. x is a variable that allows for all the variants. 2D/3D ; still/video ; "framed"/180/360(or any other FOV) ; live/pre-recorded; interactive/linear ; 3Dof/6DoF ("volumetric video") ; purely-virtual (VR)/virtual+physical (AR & MR). They are all eXtended Reality content, in some ways alike, but each with its own special features.

[@jjk9999]

Re Glasses. You're talking about ACTIVE 3D but there were also PASSIVE 3D TVs at the same time (mine is from 2013). Passive doesn't use powered glasses (it uses the same kind you get at 3D movies), and looks better.

[@jjk9999]

Previewing 3D effects. It is not hard to train yourself to "freeview" or "parralel view" without special viewers. You sort of relax your eyes as if you're falling asleep at your computer. The two images will flow and snap together and you will see it in 3D. Helps if the image is smaller. You can also buy special glasses that work like an old timey stereoscope, except you wear them like glasses. It's easier with smaller images, and on phones and tablets.

[@ruyagong]

I used to own an HTC evo 3d phone which can take 3d photos. Kinda cool considering that was almost 10 years ago.

[@RM2Static1986]

Side note: I'm surprised the Vuze XR was mentioned given the company has gone out of business. The combined costs of the camera and the lens put this out of reach of people who were purchasing the Vuze.

[@qporit]

The Vuze cameras helped grow the VR video creator community. They still are the currently best pro-sumer VR cameras (while they last at B&H). They were working on the next generation camera when they ran out of money. There are many pain points to watching VR videos currently, but hardware and software are developing steadily. It is really sad that they did not have enough resources to last. At some critical point, there will be a new "Kodak" that will time the entry of a new xR camera perfectly with the necessary improvements in xR video processing and xR video viewing capabilities to become a behemoth. (Confidential: We are working on improved display software we hope to reveal soon, that we hope will help.)

[@allanwolf4781]

I would be interested to know how this handle stills. I offer my clients a lot of virtual tours of real estate and construction. If I could create an effortless top tier walk through. I would love that.

[@qporit]

I believe the camera body can handle both stills and video.

[@rupertchappelle5303]

Best consumer 3D camcorder - JVC GY-HMZ1U - they should redo it in 8K. Auto focus, auto parallax, zoom lens, displays R, L, RL and 3D, let's you know when the parallax is a problem.

[@kolawoleajideigendowpictur471]

Tony is very eloquent... keep it up 🥰🥰💪💪

[@Piglet23]

They can be used as multiple cameras at endzone for football game in US while doing live. It is not for ordinary people.

[@seraphin01]

I think it's an interesting concept and unlike the gears you mentioned that failed, those are lenses.. They'll still be usable in 5 or 10 years when we'll have 8k/120p available and that lens will still be here and working perfectly, unlike those all in one devices. So while this is probably just aimed at porn industry to be honest for now, I think it's a good move from Canon, like you said, 100% of the pie is better than a chunk of a shrinking pie. And who knows we might actually get some good content coming out with that kit.. The manual focus though might limit things quite a bit.. Either everything on tripod or need of a real film crew to handle everything..

[@JeffJackowski]

Is 30fps really a nauseating issue when the video isn't being rendered in real-time to track the motions of a person's head?

[@nordic5490]

Most playback devices are 60fps, but 30fps still looks ok on them. 24fls looks terrible on the regular 60fps playback devices - to much judder on motion

[@researchDarren]

My brother!! Been a while since I heard anyone talk this well about 360!! Lezgo!!! Can this drop happen already. 🥵🥵

[@georgefrench1907]

Interesting tech, but the only really broadly embraced 3-D system was the stereoscope that was a must-have in middle-class homes more than a century ago. Good luck, Canon, but you’re probably embarking on a trip to NicheVille at best.

[@grosema1]

I hope 3D comes Back, I have been shooting 3D for 15 years at least before the last wave came out. I created an action in Photoshop to align 2 pictures. I would Take a Picture then move the camera and shoot another. Then I bought a 3D fuji camera with 2 lenses and it shoots MPO 3D files and Video. and I have a Gadmei 8 inch Tablet that can View 3D without Glasses on. Cant wait to see the New 3D wave.

[@sasca854]

I've owned several VR headsets (the original Vive, the original Rift, as well as the Quest 1) and I am still pretty conflicted about the future of VR. On one hand, when its well done, VR is a breathtaking experience and I really love going in and playing Robo Recall or watching high quality VR videos-- there's nothing like it, period. 3D TVs are nothing like true VR. On the other hand, there are several drawbacks (the hassle of actually strapping the thing on, making space to actually move around, isolating yourself from your surroundings, not being able to really share your experience with friends and family sitting next to you, etc.) that quickly begin to outweigh the novelty of the VR experience. Combined with a general lack of content, ultimately all of my headsets ended up just collecting dust. That said, Facebook is clearly putting all of its might behind VR with the Metaverse, so we'll see...

[@iEditProjects]

Very insightful input on 3D and VR. I bought a 360 camera just to test demand and it’s simply not there. I don’t even own VR goggles 😂

[@jllemus]

OR you can get 2 gopros that already do 4k 120fps, put them side by side and save 5000 dollars…

[@adventureproductionz]

but it’s a half inch sensor

[@ddnguyen278]

Smart phones will lead the way toward 3D and maybe even bring back 3d displays. There is enough separation to place 2 cameras far enough apart to mimic human vision.. Then display that onto a 3D capable display and it will give the video/image into that mythical 3D pop photographers are always looking for. The 3D display will also be using eye tracking to create foveated rendering to even push the realism further.

[@RollingStonesPhoto]

Sony made a small 3D camcorder Circa 2010-2012ish that had a 3D LCD you did not need goggles to see 3D. I saw these for sale in Best Buy long ago.