Canyon Aeroad CF SLX - Cut Up and Review

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

Seems like your work is paying off. Nothing is better than manufacturer being pressured to perform when they know that their flaws might get exposed. Thanks for the great work !

[@PeakTorque]

It would be very interesting to see an ‘SL’ level frame vs the SLX. At some point in 2017 they started the SL level and more or less charged the same. So the early SLX were far better value. Be interested to see the quality differences and check the serial numbers/qc sticker differences that would indicate a different supplier.

[@karlwalters3763]

Ideally, there shouldn't be any difference in the quality and attention to detail in the manufacturing process, regardless of product line. I understand that different and higher price points allow more concern and attention to the finer details of construction, but sloppy craftsmanship is more damaging to a brand than a few extra dollars spent on doing the job right in the first place.

[@bubbachua]

Shouldn’t have much difference it’s just different carbon composites used

[@hughstultz7849]

This and Hambini’s engineering insight and analysis are the best indicators of bicycle manufacturer quality we have. The cycle industry charges astronomical amounts. That a 400cc Kawasaki motorcycle costs less than some high end bicycles is difficult to comprehend. Keep cycle manufacturers on their toes.

[@justsayin3600]

Between Raoul and Hambini hopefully it will keep them on high alert. Having this kind of forensic and critical examination of their products should only make a company like Canyon focus more on being better.

[@discbrakefan]

Hambini... lol

[@mixalis6168]

Especially for the $$$$$ They sell for, Cycling manufactures are taking the piss

[@Finx5008]

Hambini is trash...

[@carlosgaspar8447]

@@discbrakefan bambini, what has he built in carbon fibre and ridden for more than a decade.

[@sarcodiauk2921]

Hambini is an absolute joke and has absolutely no engineering knowledge whatsoever - it’s all bull**it and has no credibility whatsoever. Everything he says and does has been copied from the internet. He has a a basic non engineering job.

[@mathiasjohansencellist]

Amazing! This is the one important content to control bike industry. Thanks for this. I just hope they get to see this.

[@steveflor9942]

Especially good molding. Good design - extra material where needed. But, all for naught if tolerances for the BB are not kept to a high standard. Thanks Raoul, for this wonderful video.

[@LucaBonato]

One question for you Raoul. Do you see a difference in quality between a base model and the premium frame. Or is it just marketing with higher modulus fibers? Thanks

[@Zwiesel66]

I own a Canyon Endurace CF SLX and I am happy to see, that I obviously get the quality I have paid for.

[@costelloandsilke7321]

Hi Raoul, great work as always. Please cut up a Stork in you have one, particularly the higher priced frames. It would be very interesting to see if the quality of manufacturing justifies the price premium.

[@jcsrst]

Manufacturers must hate you because this is a view of a frame that they don't expect to be seen! Keep up the great work! I have to say I wonder how my Trek Domane SLR stacks up...

[@vietnguyen4312]

Thanks Raoul, hopefully my Canyon frame is built equally as well. Stay safe.

[@richardhaselwood9478]

Great review Raoul. Almost disappointing to see a well made product :) As always, thanks

[@Sills71]

I think that Hambini only sees examples of frames with BB issues... whereas Teknik sees "good" frames that have been crashed... the impression I get is that Teknik sees many more frames than Hambini so he has better view of the overall quality of a brand.

[@LuescherTeknik]

I have had over 6000 frames come through my workshop, I often see common trends in models.

[@fcnghkkc1]

Hambini only look at BB bee it helps Gia's business. 😉🤣

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Well built frames shouldn’t have Bb issues ...

[@ando.niyuen]

if you spend several thousand dollars on a frame, then BB issues are unacceptable. Not all bikes will be manufactured perfectly, but the fact that bike companies allow these defected bikes to pass quality control and be sold in the first place is alarming.

[@arzemagic]

You can only comment on what’s in front of you.Most of the frames Hambini. works on have problems with the BB hence they have not been crashed. He seems to be more focused on the engineering.

[@richardharris5819]

I always learn something new every time I watch one of your videos. Many thanks:)

[@andyg9991]

Great video. Currently thinking of a Canyon for my next bike so puts my mind at ease. Time to introduce a "Raoul Rating" on frames

[@Zero_Theory]

I've got my mates Aeroad with me now, trying to sort a BB issue. The tolerances are horrendous in this one, and I've seen 10 or so with similarly bad tolerances. Not sure if they had a particularly bad run at some point, but they're so badly out Canyon immediately replaced or refunded them all

[@82vitt]

So they fully expect their customers to do the QC for them then. That's shambolic.

[@waynosfotos]

Good to hear they came to the party with replacement 😃

[@glennoc8585]

The returns are probably the 'B stock' sold as knock offs on certain Asian websites. I'm pretty confident that some of these "less than.ideal" frames we see on certain Asian websites are indeed genuine but sold to a reseller as seconds. I've seen.genuine seconds sold to.wholesalers over the years me being directly involved. not bikes but home fittings. I think canyon and others sort out the issues asap hence those certain Asian websites only have a run.on a type.for a given time then they vanish once the seconds are depleted

[@MP48]

Looks like this frame was lost foam moulded whereas the frame Hambini reviewed was bladder moulded. The difference in the quality of the end product is clear

[@brianjuhl4126]

Majes me glad that I have a Canyon SLX frame, eventhough it is an Ultimate 😃

[@magicwill0705]

Made in China

[@javens_haven]

@@magicwill0705 most carbon bkes are made in either China or Taiwan

[@markus_lg]

@@magicwill0705 just like many premium brands, in case of TREK even coming from the same manufacturer (Quest)

[@misterscagnetti]

Keep up the good work Raoul.

[@samslichter3566]

Great video! People need to stop thinking that all “X” brand bikes are terrible and all “Y” brand bikes are somehow great.

[@tstodgell]

The concern with Canyon is that their stuff is made in mainland China.

[@felixvo]

Many other brands build their stuff in China, often without issues. It depends entirely on the particular supplier, not the country in which something is made.

[@glennoc8585]

@@tstodgell It's not where it's made its by whom. I'd rather see manufacturing back home but if that doesn't happen then the workers conditions and wages are important.

[@randallsmith7885]

@@tstodgell As an old Procurement guy, I would also suggest that a brand has to hold their outsource suppliers to a standard - including testing a statistically significant number of products off the line, on site oversight of the factory process and other elements of a robust supplier management system that demonstrate that the brand is deeply committed to quality.

[@tstodgell]

@@randallsmith7885 There are also political and human rights standards to uphold. That's why I don't like buying from mainland China.

[@VegasCyclingFreak]

Finally a bike that is nicely manufactured

[@VegasCyclingFreak]

Tom Zabukošek - Not counting the forks

[@sergio895]

Ok, so it looks like Canyon is on the good way in terms of molding. Good news. Not sure about their bottom brackets, though. Thanks for your videos, Raoul. Amazing work.

[@LuescherTeknik]

As I said in the video, I haven't seen many problems with their BB's although I am aware of others having issues I can only talk on my experiences.

[@sergio895]

@@LuescherTeknik Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@datorfilm]

This seems to be as good as or better as any other frame, and better than the Giant TCR that was cut up? I have seen a lot of thrashing of Canyon the past couple of months, and Hambini really hates them (?)... I have had three Canyons and they have been excellent. So it seems safe to go with them again tbh. Would be really interesting to see the fork from this bike though.

[@avoycendeether8869]

Thanks for a great video, Luescher Teknik!

[@blackkittypounce]

would love to see a recent Canyon SL frame cut up

[@richardcarr6493]

l m happy to see a good review for canyon bikes ,but does anyone know where they re made??

[@michaelkammerdiener7788]

Quest Composites in China. I forget the city. Same that manufactures for Trek.

[@fhowland]

Taiwan

[@mickfaragher7897]

I've had 3 carbon Canyons (Aeroad, Ultimate, Endurace) in between other bikes and never had an issue with them. All had BB86 BB's and again no creaking or noise. I think some of the BB86 issue is incorrect installation, I've seen them hammered in without lubricant by so called professionals! 😲 The infrastructure in Koblenz is both impressive, efficient and professional. I understand they have there own Chinese factory. I don't work or have any association, just a 3x satisfied customer.

[@Stannystansfield]

Thanks for posting up the video. That was really interesting and good to see your take on the Canyon frame. Surprised about the bar and fork as that’s a big part of their marketing and one of the reason I got an Endurace. The Hambini roast model was an earlier frame possibly before the EPS manufacturing technique. So sounds like they have made improvements which is great to see. Thanks once again.

[@ChristerJohansson]

Really like your videos! If you have the time, a overview of time scale and sample size from manufacturers that you have examined would be interesting to se. This to eliminate the "one sample to determine a whole brand-discussion". Ie, how does the brands develop their production line over time, do they improve / get worse with manufacturing techniques and material development...? Anyways, thanx for sharing your knowledge!

[@Korvin1337]

Finally some canyon action

[@openwheelracing88]

You need to get one of the new Aeroad 2021 version. Lots of reports right now of seat post failure due to frame rubbing on it. Canyon halting shipment and sending out official emails with remedies but I doubt these frames will survive a year of riding based on the pictures circulating out there

[@parthmache4733]

can you please do a scott bike cutup waiting for it for more than a year!!

[@Jeff-bd4gg]

Haters are gonna hate. I love my Canyon Ultimate CF SL. I got a great bike for a fraction of the price of the bigger name brands.

[@Tronter]

Their prices are pretty comparable to other big brands though?

[@Jeff-bd4gg]

DubHeem no. Much less. Canyon bikes typically run a few hundred less for low end models and thousands less for top of the line models.

[@randallsmith7885]

Thank you so much for doing this one!

[@roveism]

More videos please Luescher !

[@SavedbybGrace]

Got an Aeroad and Ultimate. Both awesome bikes. Next bike will be a Canyon.

[@andygrainger2151]

Did you check the size and roundness of BB before cutting it out?

[@LuescherTeknik]

No, the owner did not report any issues with the BB.

[@tobiasbouma4071]

Guess Im in luck. I was eyeing the Pinarello F10 before but went for this frame instead. Surprised that I saved a penny on a (seemingly) better frame. Of course the carbon may be of a lower quality in this frame but I'd say less voids would be the first concern and a sign of proper engineering

[@v57163]

There is no "lower quality carbon".

[@Megadeth6633]

You should take into account though that not all frames are equally made, I think he should cut up 20 frames of each model to get an accurate judgement in general. On the other hand Hambini roasted Canyon and it's bottom bracket tolerances, so it's all kind of in the same pool.

[@scobrackc]

@@Megadeth6633 you do need to keep in mind that people tend to go to Hambini because they're having BB issues in the first place. So he is only seeing the worst case scenarios from that brand. Is this an excuse for those bikes making it through QC to a consumer? not at all.

[@v57163]

What I am saying, people confuse themselves with those advertisements from many - we use....highest quality, military grade, aerospace even you hear - classified material available only.... That's all bullshit. If you take Toray level of grading, T700, T800 are structural, T300 more around holes, cuts. The carbon as material came down with the price so much. Resin it's essential part, but....none are going to risk such thing. If you guys want to know more about industry, Composite World is good magazine www.compositeworld.com

[@Megadeth6633]

@@scobrackc true

[@thisandthatandotherthings]

I didn't see/hear the bike's year (of manufacture) referenced anywhere?

[@LuescherTeknik]

I didn't say because I don't know for sure, I suspect it is 2017 model but don't have data, so I didn't comment.

[@zzzzz1102]

Would love to see a cut up of a tube to tube construction frame, I think Leuscher’s own bike was made that way?

[@davianlomboan2397]

Hey Raoul, what are your thoughts on the adjustable 3-piece handlebar for the new 2021 Aeroad?

[@LuescherTeknik]

I haven't had one in yet.

[@wysmolek]

How many frames can they CT scan? With the process being so resource consuming (time, machine etc.) my bet they do very few from the batch. Or they run the scan at a so low resolution that they shouldn't even bother, but even then it's beyond any reason (for a such a big manufacturer) to do the scanning at a large scale. But apparently they dialed the process in quite well.

[@kilianortmann9979]

There is a whole area of mathematics/engineering concerned with sample sizes in quality control. Overly simplified it comes down to the consistency (Sigma or Standard deviation). If the quality of all tested samples is very consistent, one can assume that there is few to zero samples of extremely poor quality. If the quality varies wildly a small sample size is no longer able to provide sufficient information about the overall quality. In a ideal case, sample size should be continuously reviewed, based on actual QA testing data and adjusted as necessary.

[@markus_lg]

I understand they "only" X-ray forks and cockpits, as mentioned by Raoul.

[@wysmolek]

@@markus_lg even if they just do the xray it's still crazy expensive and then it's much harder to detect voids in a material with such thin walls and low density. I'd bet that they do some kind of testing (may it even be CT) but at a very low count and the rest is pure marketing. They can scan 1 frame from each model and they can tell that scan all of frames (just don't mention that's just one piece)😁

[@cycomanicj]

Hi Raoul, what's your take on tube to tube carbon manufacturing (like Sarto in Italy does) vs monocoque (or the semi-monocoque like most bike seem to be)? I guess one of the advantage of tube to tube is that they can do custom geometry, but are there significant up- or downsides regarding the manufacturing otherwise?

[@LuescherTeknik]

For sure there are pros and cons, as you say the ability for custom geometry is a big factor as well as reduced tooling cost.

[@Mububban23]

I find these videos fascinating, but what's the takeaway? Buy an alloy frame bike and hope the carbon fork isn't a death trap? Based on these videos, would you even recommend anyone buy a carbon bike from the main brands? I'm planning for future N+1 and a TCR or Defy was high on the list.

[@markus_lg]

For sure one needs to give a higher degree of trust into the manufacturers and their QA/QC when buying carbon (not saying alloy can't fail). On the other hand: how many catastrophic or even lethal carbon failures are reported each year? I think even more than the valuable forensic work of guys like Raoul, the fear of horrible press plus expensive lawsuits makes at least the brand names safer than many might think. Raoul outlines quite extensively (from 16:40) why voids in forks and handlebars not necessarily need to be dangerous (yet we have no proof about the actual design margins of those parts).

[@markus_lg]

BTW: when googling "carbon fork failure lethal accidents" one of the first articles is about a canberra cyclist dying after a crash caused by an _alloy_ steerer. And I also found this quite interesting article www.outsideonline.com/2311816/carbon-fiber-bike-accidents-lawsuits

[@LuescherTeknik]

I am very familiar with the Canberra cyclist incident.

[@ciw8688]

would you recommend the 2022 ultimate cf sl line?

[@christianvalenzuela9528]

Finally some footage of Mars ....

[@PabloFactvm]

Do you have any material to show from a Pinarello Dogma F12 frame?

[@katomiler843]

VERY cool post.

[@afterburn2600]

How do I search out a reputable scanning company near me (I live in Florida if that helps)? I just purchased a carbon bike and wouldn't mind it scanned. What should I expect to pay for this service? Thanks for the awesome videos, and I hope for my sake that my frame doesn't have to be sacrificed to you for science 😬

[@LuescherTeknik]

I only know of Ruckus Composites in Portland that offer scans in the US, there may be others but I am not aware of them.

[@afterburn2600]

@@LuescherTeknik Much appreciated answer! I have one more question if you would be so gracious: How do you deal with carbon componentry in a work stand? I want something like the Park 10.2 for ease of storage but fear clamping the carbon seat post etc. Thanks in advance!

[@darinsteele7091]

Do new alloy bike frames have this many defects like new Carbon bikes?

[@AncoraImparoPiper]

That's a good question.

[@glennoc8585]

Not generally no but but it's the welds that can crack with time.

[@darinsteele7091]

@@glennoc8585 True I gues, but at least you can see a failure coming. It seems come carbon frames fail from the inside where you can't see it.

[@glennoc8585]

@@darinsteele7091 not had a carbon failure or alloy neither has anyone in my cycling circle. I've see damage from crashes but not general use. I think it was lance Armstrong that broke a chainstay on a steel or alloy frame.

[@darinsteele7091]

@@glennoc8585 I think he was using carbon but carbon back then was probably nowhere as good as it is today.

[@Chungleas]

"EPS" expanded polystyrene? Is this expanding foam squirted into a bag to create compression?

[@earthstick]

My guess is that it is used as a mandrel, similar to the wax that Time use. Once the frame is cured you can remove the EPS with a solvent like tricholoromethane.

[@Chungleas]

@@earthstick maybe, but he's mentioned "semi-rigid, EPS bladders" being a more refined modern moulding method in a couple of videos, normally when looking at the more complex head and BB components. But I've never seen an example of one yet. A foam core/buck melted away with acitone is a method that has been used, but (guessing) it seems like the bigger manufacturers mostly moved away from it well over a decade ago...

[@stevenross-watt8640]

I want more adverts breaks

[@petesjk]

I see a void at 16:50.

[@glennoc8585]

You get certain analysis that suits a business outcome. I'm sure some Canyons had tolerance issues but unless you apply a random QC trial on many models over a substantial period it's unprofessional.

[@andygrainger2151]

What's unprofessional is a frame costing thousands of dollars leaving a factory without a 30 check to see if BB is round and within tolerances

[@glennoc8585]

@@andygrainger2151 They would check them and most would be fine, some should be finished before they leave that's inexcusable

[@DanTuber]

For the price of SLX, it should be that good.

[@hockeyiscanada]

How do they get out the eps foam ?

[@spinnetti]

solvent no doubt

[@thelmaviaduct]

Please use 'fair dinkum' more. I think my next road frame would be titanium, Carbon all look pretty shoddy on the inside, basically plastic with fibres infused. Difficult to get away from a carbon fork though.

[@ska042]

Well what did you expect, carbon composites ARE plastic with fibres infused!? Just so happens that the right kind of plastic with the right fibres infused is a pretty impressive material.

[@thelmaviaduct]

@@ska042 look dogshit most of these frames though, like a 5 year old has put them together in a paper mache class. I'd definitely go Ti having seen most of these vids.

[@fukawitribe]

@@thelmaviaduct I'd put a reasonable amount of money on similar variations in weld/bond quality in some metal frames _especially_ with Ti

[@thelmaviaduct]

@@fukawitribe but they're not likely to fail catastrophically. A high end Carbon frame ala Pinarello seems to be made the same as any other carbon frame, pretty shoddily with defects hidden from sight. Can't say the same about high end Ti mfrs like Moots etc their quality shines through.

[@fukawitribe]

@@thelmaviaduct The wall structure is not going to disintegrate, true, but yeah they can most certainly catastrophically fail as a frame or fork. I do agree about the high quality, often bespoke, Ti manufacturers, although that also applies to similar ones producing composite bikes. The issue is mass produced but expensive frames with crappy lay-up and quality control - not the material. The flip-side is also true; there a also good quality and reasonably priced Ti and carbon frames. Each to their own, not knocking your choice and FWIW i'm a huge fan of Ti frames, this isn't some weird material fetish thing that some people seem to have :)

[@adamhadley8075]

If it was not for the fork, would you have repaired the damage on the seat stay?

[@LuescherTeknik]

The seat stay would be a straightforward repair.

[@LAShooters1]

What was the issue with the bar and fork?

[@LuescherTeknik]

They had some manufacturing voids.

[@andersnyberg4034]

Bb looks oval to me. Did you check it?

[@VikMTB]

Definitely surprised

[@messi9991]

and why is that, because you worship a certain 5 year old moron?

[@sergiplanas6427]

I feel even more in love with my Canyon now 😍

[@LucaBonato]

One bike doesn't reprensent all of them. Sometimes even cannondale makes a good frame

[@sergiplanas6427]

luca bonato Of course that is true! But you know... if this one was a total trash I’d be worried 🙈

[@kasisoa8441]

hello sir. do you have eddy merckx? I want see eddy merckx sanremo 76 If you have eddy merckx sanremo 76 please cut up and review video

[@LuescherTeknik]

Sorry I don't have one of those.

[@ridetheheckler]

Giant makes a pretty good frame. Just change those ugly logos and BAM! All set.

[@Pinnkong]

👍

[@PhillioDoede]

If the fork was the issue why could they not just send a replacement fork?

[@markus_lg]

As he mentioned in the beginning the owner had a crash and the issue was a crack in the seatstay. Then within examination Raoul found some flaws in the fork and handlebars which were replaced by canyon under warranty to my understanding.

[@spinnetti]

here for the fork and bar issues..... hmm

[@psycsy]

I would really like to know why canyon's warranty was voided if you rode the bike in an indoor trainer? (At least with some older models) Specially if the bike is so well made. Either way glad to see that the myth that "canyon is trash" is being busted

[@LuescherTeknik]

Yes, that was an interesting decision by them to not warranty frames on trainers, especially when at the time they showed the frames on trainers in the advertising!

[@hockeyiscanada]

What factory makes Canon ?

[@Mxrobius]

Quest Composite Technology Corporation

[@tstodgell]

@@Mxrobius in communist China.

[@hockeyiscanada]

@@tstodgell China's very very capitaliste as well , considering they will become #1 economic power soon lol

[@kirynkokos5751]

good news for Canyon

[@essex__rider]

😅🤗

[@stevenleffanue]

Canyon framesets made by "Quest composites"....China.

[@mikes1984]

Quest composites also make Trek bikes

[@6SpeedTA95]

Most frames are MFG'd in China.

[@ClarkS963]

Oz cycles chimes in! Two power houses of cycling channels.

[@bonzobanana1]

I think originally Canyon carbon fibre frames were made by Giant but in recent years they moved to Quest Composites who are cheaper. I guess the Giant frames would possibly be Taiwan or China and Quest Composites would be China only. This I think is an older model so its likely Giant but maybe it was time when they started using Quest Composite forks. As consumers we have to sniff around trying to find out which brands use which factories for which models. I think Raoul clearly stated the similarity with Giant and did I see a made in Taiwan sticker or am I thinking of another video. I'm not really into brands myself prefer to go with actual manufacturers so I'd just buy Giant if I wanted a quality CF frame. I think this is the first CF frame I've seen on this channel that looks very well made in all areas.

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Giant is /was Korea isn’t it?

[@PaddyQuiggin]

@11:26 there's a sleepy gorilla

[@balderamadondy6102]

11:23 you see face 😂

[@junkandcrapamen]

GCN will be pleased.

[@durianriders]

After watching these vids and riding so many exy bikes the last 23 years of being a road racer Id never buy a brand name frame again. Factory direct for me only now. I can no longer make rich people richer 😁

[@Sills71]

Send a Pragma frame to Teknik and lets see what it looks like inside...

[@runningwithshemp]

Durian, why not support a smaller or individual builder in Alloy or if in carbon go with Crumpton, Appleman Bill Holland etc.

[@briantruck2284]

True

[@thedownunderverse]

This one is made by Quest Composites. They know what they're doing - very clean.

[@maddoc68]

surprisingly good frame. but that doesn't matter anything if you're going down because of a faulty handlebar or snapped fork... and ct scans as a method of qc are utterly nonsense used on carbon bikes. ultrasound is way better but too expensive for serial production.

[@WowRixter]

What? No drama?

[@Sills71]

Teknik says the BB on Canyon is good... Hambnini says it is not....

[@slowerandolder]

One's looking at carbon compaction, another at bore concentricity and sizing, on a single example.

[@dafj5618]

Raoul knows what he’s doing, Hambini is winging it under his fake name and credentials

[@choof_worm]

Hambini is a kook

[@CrazyAboutCycling]

Good points. However, hambini engineering needs to evaluate the BB, as this is often the issue with most manufacturers including Canyons process for manufacturing.

[@LuescherTeknik]

I typically only look at the BB tolerances if the owner reports a problem with it, which isn't that common actually. I think the structural integrity is more critical, a noisy BB is unlikely to lead to a crash or injury.

[@CrazyAboutCycling]

Luescher Teknik quoting Hambini Engineering, a 5 micron misalignment (that can create creaking) can loss 3-4 watts. Which can be quite considerable. I do agree it’s not relevant for every client.

[@LuescherTeknik]

A blanket statement like that doesn't make sense as it depends on the loads on the bearing and the type of misalignment, in most cases the bearing seal and grease create the most drag at no or little load such as the typical crank spin test.

[@CrazyAboutCycling]

Luescher Teknik you need to see Hambini measuring the tolérances of the BB, I am sure he would be able to answer it. Certainly we saw in the video clear misalignment of the BB as manufacturers bore it out from both sides, and Carbon. I am no expert, but I do accept him as an expert. Canyon even asked him to consult for their BB issues. In terms of grease, totally agree. Good to hear your ideas.

[@Incaensio]

Their "scanning" process turns out to be mostly marketing or spot checking at best.

[@cliffcox7643]

SO Canyon it GTG!

[@gregoryblind8954]

I think most wanted this bike to be absolutely horrible, lol joke is on them

[@jerryyoung6494]

Yeah. Other than the fork, handlebars, and seat stays it’s great. And the titanic was mostly a great cruise.

[@antoinedoinell]

1 sample bike is not a representation of the thousands that they manufacture and sell.

[@karlwalters3763]

Why would you say that?

[@ando.niyuen]

@@antoinedoinell it's a representation of their quality control, which happens to be poor. What results is a lottery for customers.

[@gregoryblind8954]

@Bernie Sanders damn sick bern

[@earthstick]

If only Raoul could get hold of a Storck

[@LuescherTeknik]

I think I have one.

[@earthstick]

@@LuescherTeknik Would be interesting to see one of those boutique brands. Where to they make them?

[@ralphdajao8547]

Canyon haters are quiet...

[@scooterc2006]

sorry Hambini

[@Bungle2010]

This channel is a thousand times better than Hambini's. Actuals analysis without the childish sensationalist bs. Honestly I think the guy hypes up "issues" for the likes. The final straw for me came the day he decided to launch an unwarranted (and sexist) character assassination on a journalist.

[@maxtran5345]

I never trust any carbon fiber frameset without any alloy parts to support the load. People should never ride bike frames that have carbon dropout and fork dropout. All of that load and shear stress will losen up the carbon fiber and you will ended up dead and accidents. Don't trust what the pros ride because they don't ride the same frames that you buy in a mass consumer market. Pros don't ride same frame everyday like you and I on the street.

[@leesuuton5083]

Canyon frames made by GIANT

[@markus_lg]

Thought they are manufactured by Quest Composites? Or is that part of GIANT?

[@leesuuton5083]

@@markus_lg Giant and Merida make 90 % of bike frames ! 😉

[@markus_lg]

@@leesuuton5083 I am well aware of Giant and Merida being the overall market leaders in bike frames and at least Merida also being a pioneer in carbon tech. However it seems undisputed that Canyon (as well as Trek) Carbon frames (at least the top end) are made by Quest. And I have no evidence that Quest is part of Giant. So what is your assumption based on?

[@FeintMotion]

yah, canyon aero, yah!

[@RubyByte]

Please speed these videos up it's unwatchable.

[@mgsboedmisodpc2]

first will watch later

[@cbyod]

Hambini lied, unsubscribed lol

[@mixalis6168]

How ?

[@Amir-cu4qp]

Hambini did review the CF SL model (no X), which is a lower tier frame, I aussume that Canyon wants you to pay a premium for better manufacturing. It could also be, that this particular sample is good.

[@fhowland]

Cut to the chase too slow