Red One is Everything Wrong With Hollywood

[@captainmidnight]

Are you planning to see Red One? Read my comic BINARY SEA on Amazon Kindle: a.co/d/9JfoZC0

[@justinriley]

Nah. I'm planning on seeing Anora and Conclave.

[@Seventhplanet538]

Nah, I'll just rewatch Violent Night instead.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I mean, I already saw Violent Night and own Rise of the Guardians with my man North.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

No

[@Adamkalb1]

Yes, I am still planning to see Red One because the trailer made it look very cool and fun to watch, and it contains plenty of actors I already like and I want to see them act in this film together. November 15, 2024, 6:59pm

[@jliller]

"Red One" sounds like the name of a Cold War thriller, not an action comedy about Santa Claus.

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

Yeah, that's clearly intentional Dale.

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@itcouldbelupus2842 it would work if the audience for those two types of movies had any overlap whatsoever

[@PoppinC-l3w]

@andrewkoster6506 Maybe in Poland, lol.

[@jimlassiter749]

i hoped it was another sequel to Bruce Willis' Red.... so upset it was not....

[@Preston241]

That's what I assumed it was.

[@Undrave]

I feel like if this movie concept had been made in the 90s it would have cost 10% of Red One's budget and it would have rocked. It would have been earnest, have tons of janky special effects and one liners, and be on constant repeat on cable during the holidays.

[@invertedLOL]

I agree with you. Think about all those old action movies that are super popular and constantly rerunning. However the problem is that this movie was made without an ounce of soul. Nobody’s dream movie to work on is Red One. It’s a stepping stone in their career so that they can one day make what they actually want to.

[@Undrave]

@@invertedLOL Hollywood got addicted to mega blockbuters and thinks everything should be Avatar or Endgame, it's really sad.

[@Volvagia1927]

Yep. Gremlins is earlier than that and A LITTLE more expensive than that 10% figure ($33 million), adjusted for inflation, but I think is about in line with what you're thinking about...?

[@MasterIceyy]

Do you mean "Jingle all the way" with Arnold??

[@Volvagia1927]

@@MasterIceyy Budget wise? No. The Santa Clause is WAY closer to what he's talking about in terms of the 90s. Jingle All the Way, adjusted for inflation, would be a $120-150 million movie. Yes, really. It is, almost EXACTLY, "90s Red One".

[@LimeyLassen]

I get that every genre of film has a mud filter on it nowadays, but a Christmas comedy? Why does a Christmas comedy need to look like Endgame?

[@eatatjoes6751]

I’m imagining a remake of Elf being shot like this. Gives me heartburn.

[@BEE-oz7yd]

Because endgame was extremely successful!

[@irecordwithaphone1856]

Because they've lost their whimsy in Hollywood. They're trying to make movies with mass appeal in mind so it ends up with movies being bland and generic with no huge creative choices or risks being taken

[@Linuxpunk81]

Looked like FF7

[@kickass2117]

Funnily enough the latest mcu movie Deadpool and Wolverine didn't have that ugly, washed out look. The red and yellow in their costume actually pop out and I couldn't be more grateful for that creative decision.

[@zabiisuto]

- Celeb endorsements don't work - Ridiculously big budget movies keep flopping - Alternative media and smaller indie films are much more succesful (see Godzilla Minus 1) The signs are there. The films are about to get much smaller and movie star salaries are about to dip big time.

[@train123z]

nah stuff like Deadpool and wolverine proves people will still see celebrity endorsed big budget garbage.

[@TheHaloHedgehog]

​@@train123z that's an exception, not the rule. Good as it was, how many others like it in the past few years have been flops? Way more.

[@train123z]

@@TheHaloHedgehog I literally said it was garbage

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@train123z That proves that they'll watch celebrity endorsed big budget garbage IF it's a sequel featuring characters and actors that have already been proven to work.

[@jzanami3908]

​@@train123z And you're objectively wrong

[@thomasgomes844]

The fact that the Rock saw Oppenheimer and immediately thought about this movie is a hilarious testiment to his own inflated ego and dillusional perspective on films as an art.

[@Becvar80]

He probably still thinks Black Adam is the best live action DC movie ever made

[@StuartLugsden]

@@Becvar80 And he thought using Elizebeth’s death to market the movie was a genius move. I don’t like the queen but that is just shameless

[@Cubeytheawesome]

Man he fell off into a ditch

[@superALA-ff6us]

plus him sending his chest to the Director saying "imagine this in IMAX"

[@LizardSpork]

Dwyane Johnson isn't an actor. He's a salesman. Acting is just how he promotes his brands.

[@momo.ru-kun]

Dwayne Johnson doesn't play anybody but the Rock, he just stars in movies with different names but it is still essentially the Rock in a different costume or role. He doesn't play as Black Adam or Road Block, they all play the Rock. If you seen one Rock movie, that should be enough to summarize his whole filmography.

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

No, actualy there is a diference between Mean The Rock (Black Adam for example) and Goofy The Rock (his pure comedy movies)

[@brandonryder5873]

That's true except for the movie Be Cool where he plays a gay bodyguard. He's not being the Rock and he's hilarious. That was when he first started acting though.

[@wolfiesjustfine6499]

He's heading down the Steven Seagal route.

[@shinzero0271]

He used to actually play other characters when he wasn't the lead. I think the last time he played someone that wasn't just him might have been Pain and Gain.

[@JV-ll1cu]

​@@brandonryder5873yep. That is probably best acting I have seen from him

[@TomDrake-A1A]

The Other Guys is definitely the Rock's best role imo. He allowed himself to play an arrogant jerk who is surrounded by adoring fans and then dies in a hilarious way because of his insane ego Lol. I was shocked he died in a movie

[@shinzero0271]

He died in Doom too.

[@JV-ll1cu]

Don't forget Be Cool

[@ReynardCalcifius]

Did those come out before his 'can't ever lose a fight' clause he has put in all his contracts

[@drawnfunny]

The Other Guys was one of the last best comedies.

[@veryevilclown]

He died in Get Smart as well

[@JesusChristMarie]

Few tips for studio execs: -Putting a big name in a movie doesn’t really convince people to see it. -Just because you spend hundreds of millions on something, that doesn’t make it more likely that people will like it. Plenty of small/mid budget movies can be extremely successful in the current era (See Godzilla Minus One, Everything Everywhere All at Once, and others). -You can complete a really good movie without spending the equivalent of a fraction of a 3rd world country’s GDP on it. -It may seem like regurgitating the same IPs and concepts is a safer bet for success, but that safeness is negated if people are getting tired of it and want something new. -Pay your crew-members better. Just because someone isn’t a big name doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to a living wage.

[@lug358]

I watched Will Hunting a while ago, and As Good As It Gets, and i really think "wow, these are GOOD movies, and they are really not making movies like this anymore". Where are the "normal" movies, stories that are good and dont require ANY special effects, any multimillion budget and such? I feel lots of movies like those are timeless, while all the trash Hollywood is shitting out now is totally forgatable and too expenssive to justify their existence. When are they going to bring back normal movies? Not everything needs to be a cuatriple A movie.

[@PointlessHub]

A commercial for this popped on and my mother in law said "Oh that looks fun"

[@Wedge_Khan]

Are you going to go see it?

[@cyberia1998]

Omg hi PointlessHub

[@dr.s8972]

Get back to work Cody!

[@BlakeWR81]

Going back home or to the in-laws and hearing about the latest Dwayne Johnson movie is so real.

[@benji777tm]

Cody spotted in the wild?!

[@GLC48]

When I first saw the trailer for this movie, my immediate thought was “I can’t wait to watch part of this while folding laundry and then forget about it an hour later.”

[@graham1034]

I'm looking forward to downloading this movie to have in the background while I'm cooking/cleaning/crafting/etc.

[@nrbgamingYT]

I was watching this video, exactly doing that… The movie might be better at it?

[@alphaorochi7726]

Most accurate viewing experience I’ve ever heard

[@One.Zero.One101]

I thought this movie released last year. I swear I saw some clips of it a long time ago. Or maybe there's too many "background" movies today that I can no longer differentiate them anymore.

[@ellicel]

And the fact that they spent $250M for a movie meant to be background noise says that I’m giving Amazon too much money

[@baxterwilson368]

Movies are so ugly now. They have no contrast. Everything is color graded so that every detail is visible in the shadows, which in my opinion makes them look flat.

[@kingston4313]

Its like they shot it with an iphone, everything is so bright that its so flat

[@IAteFire]

These direct to streaming movies all look like that. There’s still tons of good looking movies out there, though

[@tessaariane6931]

Or everything is so dark you can’t see shit. There is no middle ground

[@davidjames579]

Sad thing is they went to the trouble of shooting this on 35mm film.

[@mrblonde609]

Nowadays you have the choice: Either you watch a movie with no contrast, gray filter, blue filter or green filter. And all of these variants have 60 percent saturation in all of their colors. Movies have become so ugly, it's not even funny anymore. In the late 90s early 2000s everything started with movies like "Fight Club" or "The Matrix", but there was an artistic reason for these visuals that complimented the story. Nowadays no movie is allowed to have natural colors or even saturation.

[@NopeNaw]

"Comedies don't think they can just be comedies anymore" That statement rings so very true, not only today, but for recent years, even. I'd be hard pressed to point out a modern comedy that stands up to some of the greats of the anarchist/spoof comedies of yesteryear. Like Naked Gun, Men in Tights, Monthy Python and the Holy Grail, Police Academy, Ace Ventura, Shaun of the Dead, Blazing Saddles, and so on.

[@alexmikhylov]

try 2019th "Good Boys"

[@ayamutakino]

Hundreds of Beavers!

[@drpnasty28]

I think its because we dont have funny actors anymore. 10-20 years ago we had Will ferrell, steve carroll, ben stiller, adam sandler, jim carry, michael cera, jonah hill, jack black, will smith, martin lawrence, wayans brothers, chris rock, chris tucker, kevin hart, etc. Thats 15 funny lead-role actors. I couldnt name 5 young funny actors from this year

[@drpnasty28]

And now that i think about it. Comedy is dead in general, you cant make a new joke anymore without being political or offending somebody. And being offensive isnt allowed, you could accidently hurt someones feelings😢

[@shino4242]

Something about a picture of The Rock with a "Everything wrong with Hollywood" caption next to it feels so satisfying and accurate

[@cjtrent1969]

It's bullshit and that dude is pice of shit It's a great fucking movie

[@thevoid99]

exactly. he never takes risks (though i'm sure "smashing machine" will be more like a rock movie as i'm sure one of the safdie brothers won't get final cut). he is intent on being this brand that has become bland. he likes to put a dumb smile in his face. he's now hated by wrestling fans who feel like he's hogging the spotlight from others.

[@jayanths1221]

You see the problem is that to fully enjoy this masterpiece, you need to watch it in an IMAX theatre whilst sitting in the exact same spot where Christopher Nolan sat to watch Oppenheimer.

[@TheSpy605]

don't forgert to send a bare chested pic of yourself to your homies!

[@wrthgdrver710]

Watch Red One in Imax, and Oppenheimer on your phone

[@thepoleontheroad]

Comparing Red One to Oppenheimer is like comparing Halloween Kills to The Dark Knight. The Rock's ego is bigger than Gumball Watterson's.

[@andrewkoster6506]

Ah yes. If only I was in this one magical seat, this movie wouldn't look like boring mud. The Rock is very smart and also an artist

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@thepoleontheroad It's like comparing The Dark Knight to a doodle of a circle with pointy ears that i took a picture of after smearing Vaseline and mud on my camera lens

[@Dayman90]

How is it that this had a way bigger budget than Dune???

[@Becvar80]

Johnson's salary

[@TheSuperappelflap]

The Rock does not come cheap

[@6PrawnCurry]

It's the rest of the cast getting paid- they knew it is a Turkey if Dwayne is fronting it. 😅

[@thelastjerkbender2505]

​@@Becvar80how high is it? 250 Million is a lot of money.

[@TraeBeneck]

And didn't even look a tenth as good

[@MiamiMarkYT]

My first thought was who is this for? -It’s PG13 so it won’t get a ton of kids to watch it -But the subject material and premise is exactly the sort of thing most teens are trying to grow out of -it’s not R rated though so anything that could’ve been done to target young adults would have to be left out -it seems like the exact kind of kitschy slop that parents would find insufferable -plus it released well before the holiday season is underway How it made even $30M is surprising to me frankly. It is a movie that actively is trying to not have an audience.

[@Ex0t1cButt_ers]

My first thought is “why was this movie made?”

[@jimmymeridian5174]

It’s PG-13?? What teenager or adult wants to see any modern christmas-themed movie? If it’s not marketed for kids, it’s marketed for nobody lmao

[@alexandercorbett1147]

At least Violent Night, a very gory R-rated action movie about a foul-mouthed alcoholic Santa Claus ruthlessly killing a group of robbers to protect the child of a wealthy family, had a clearly adult audience and did a decent job at getting that across, not to mention it at least isn't afraid to be as off-the-walls insane as it sounds.

[@tjenadonn6158]

It's not even entertainingly bad enough to find an audience among fans of bad movies. Even in the specific sub-niche of bad Christmas movies like "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" this won't make any impact and might even be forgotten by the time New Years hits.

[@KingkuntaGG]

My first though was I could enjoy this while zooted out of my mind. So stoners?

[@rollingrocker666]

Hollywood: Let's put Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Jason Momoa, Jack Black, and Kevin Hart in every movie!!

[@leonsprings8517]

At this point I'd probably enjoy a jack black movie. At least it'll be funny

[@taotao19741]

You forgot Pedro Pascal

[@rorylynch7775]

Don't forget Awkawfina, Seth Rogen and Chris Pratt

[@PoppinC-l3w]

Kevin Hart's mainstream film career should have ended several years ago. Dwayne alone kept it alive. Smh.

[@sparrowhunter1671]

The minecraft movie ​@@leonsprings8517

[@rorylynch7775]

With the exception of Knives Out, Chris Evans has starred in nothing but garbage since Endgame. He's literally becoming the sort of actor he parodied in Scott Pilgrim, where he just does shallow roles that dont require any effort

[@SuperNeos2]

He hit his peak

[@lukasgulbinas8618]

Which is a shame, because he's a pretty good actor. He's good at playing heroes (Captain America is one of the heroest superheroes to have ever been heroe'd) and villains (he puts a douchy edge to his portrayals, making you really despise them), but unfortunately dude does not care about what roles he's picking, as he starred in so much mediocre action comedy romance crap. You think he would have a bank after so many MCU movies and be more selective, alas that's not the case.

[@Prodawn66]

I thought the 2 second Free Guy cameo he had was pretty funny

[@chalk-one]

He was in Snowpiercer. That's a wonderful film.

[@HankseyHill]

@@chalk-one that was over 10 years ago.

[@andrewtaylor940]

It’s not “complaining about realism”. It ‘commenting on the failure of the movie to capture “Suspension of Disbelief”. Which is the critical element of any fantasy movie.

[@cheyennec5546]

For those wondering how this cost $250M, it’s been said it’s due to The Rock being late EVERY SINGLE DAY (up to 8 hours past schedule) which prolonged shooting.

[@thisisaduckindisguise6206]

When I first saw the poster it looked like one of those fan cast posters you’d see on Google Images as a kid

[@AlessandroPioltelli]

Ikr I couldn’t believe how shit the poster looked 😂

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

Poster design is one of many things going to shit in Hollywood.

[@AlessandroPioltelli]

@ agreed

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

Are you 18 years old?

[@darwincity]

Goncharov but it manifested itself into reality.

[@bartoszdulas1703]

The funniest part of Red One is the Rock refering to Oppenheimer when talking about Red One as of those movies were at the same level of quality. Bro is really delusional

[@ShinbrigTV]

That's the Hollywood system for you; pay a bunch yes-men to smell your farts.

[@JoeChillton]

He's ben drinking his own piss water or the roids rotted his brain

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

If i have choose between Dwayne Johnson or Jackie chan, my vote is Jackie Chan. Dwayne Johnson always look fake if you ask me

[@eavyeavy2864]

Opppenheimer is for blind peeker nerds ha

[@eavyeavy2864]

​@@ShinbrigTVfind the nerd

[@arya8165]

The Rock is one of those actors where if you see he's in a movie your first thought is "SKIP"

[@robertbrown3413]

The skipion king.

[@kyotheman69]

He's basically like Steven Segal now

[@Darkteddybear87]

I'm the opposite with Dave Bautista, anything he is in I have to watch. Agree with the rock though, auto skip.

[@JohnDoe-tm9wz]

"Actor"

[@stephenoni2019]

exactly. saw him in it and I was like, this will be trash.

[@Junk_Yogurt]

And to think, when Rock left for Hollywood in 2003 people actually thought he would be the next Arnold.

[@yakojjy]

The Rock is basically Steven Seagal at this point.

[@TheBfutgreg]

At least he can back up his physical claims

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Just waiting for Rock to do his first chair fight scene. Shoutout to Space Ice. He will have content for several more years.

[@MauZangetsu]

Holy crap THAT is it! I was having this sentiment for the last couple of years about The Rock but couldn't exactly say what it reminded me of and how I feel it, and you just put it in a sentence!

[@300thNPC]

Man that's depressing. I used to love his movies. At least he's actually in shape therefore actually convincing as a tough guy

[@ericdewell1905]

Steven Segal in a “Not allowed to lose a fight” contest against The Rock:😰

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

I miss when movies had dialogue that was sincere

[@stephenpmurphy591]

That requires talented screen writers.....Talented writers in Hollywood are no longer popular with studios and producers.

[@zacharyjamesdixon]

Word. Studios have just been hiring screenwriters that can’t say what they want to say without making it a joke, being nasty and unsubtly rude about it, or both.

[@zionleach3001]

Seriously. They keep trying to do Whedonspeak. But at least there were times when he could be serious.

[@andrewkoster6506]

i miss when movie writers weren't all doing a Joss Whedon impression

[@JeonardShadby505]

The fact that its title can be misread as the word "REDONE" pretty much summarizes how unoriginal this flick's plot is. It's all been done, now it's being... redone.

[@JacobPaul-ix7oc]

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

[@eavyeavy2864]

So because your stroke this is bad?😂 Deluded

[@marsjohnston7117]

The AI overlords demand more ads. 😉

[@PatstarDeluxe]

Damn I made the same joke above, so I "redone" that joke.

[@hariman7727]

Red One sounds like an assassin that ends up soaked in the blood of his enemies or a military documentary on "The Big Red One".

[@wander7812]

What's sad to me, is that I know that as soon as an original and creative movie gets popular, the Film Industry will just go "Oh it must've been THIS ONE trope about it?" and oversature it to death, restarting the cycle back again.

[@OwenLikesComics]

Can't believe Captain Midnight is a level 4 naughty lister 😔

[@rorylynch7775]

Damn, I wasn't expecting to see you here

[@captainmidnight]

Why do you think I was so upset?

[@adityahumnabadkar2626]

Only hope for hollywood now is Kraven the hunter.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@adityahumnabadkar2626 el muerto

[@hariman7727]

@@adityahumnabadkar2626 Nah, Shadow the Hedgehog is their only hope, but all Shadow is out to save is the Sonic Franchise and MARIA!!!!!!

[@nickkrasny1562]

My rule of thumb now: if it stars Dwayne The Rock Johnson, don’t waste your time

[@JonathanGaeta]

Agreed. I honestly felt like my time was wasted when I saw The Skyscraper that starred The Rock, but it wasn’t my choice as my dad wanted to see it at the time

[@thomasgomes844]

I can't think of the last time he starred in anything good. Like I am convinced he is just a horrible actor and I can't believe he still gets roles at all.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@thomasgomes844 Jumunji is the only one that comes to mind.

[@Endru85x]

@@thomasgomes844 I would not mind Rock being actor with limited range, if he knew his limitations. It seems that he is surrounded by yes-men who consider Rock to have so much selling power, he could play anything he wants and turn it into a boxoffice hits because he believes too much in his own hype.

[@Trainboy452]

But what about Moana 2?

[@gamepapa1211]

This movie has "contractual obligations" written all over it.

[@wolfeflambe]

I absolutely cannot stand The Rock. Everything about him screams fake.

[@NiGiff]

Please be my new best friend!

[@dr.cheeze5382]

It's because he doesn't act... He just plays... Himself? If that makes sense? Like he's just the exact same character in every movie and that character is just him being himself.

[@Neo-Metal17]

Him seeming fake is ironic because he can't act beyond being himself.

[@davidchristie6003]

I remember hearing about Simpsons writers finding it demoralising hearing a joke they wrote that got a big laugh initially, repeated over and over again for all the voice takes and animators ect and getting no reaction because everyone was sick of hearing it. The time just before release being the moment they felt worst about the joke. These films feel like the initial concept starts at that lowest point. I can't imagine any writer feeling enough pride in a line of dialogue to ever feel down about muted reactions.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

The South Park guys have said similar things, and usually the episodes they worry about the most end up being fan favorites. Im not a big SImpsons fan, but I think this sentiment just applies to people who do animation in general, theyre very perfectionist and feel like it isnt good enough if its not absolutely perfect every week.

[@piter6026]

That would require the writers to actually care about what they wrote, cant imagine anyone on this and similar movies nowadays actually caring about anything but the money they got.

[@xuxuang8574]

I think that repeated joke is a good metaphor for what Hollywood is doing. These films feel like a copy of a copy of a copy.

[@shcdemolisher]

A copy so far removed that you don’t even know what it’s copying anymore!

[@VideoClubRandom]

I've been saying this but, I'm pretty sure that Chris Evans' post-Marvel career is actually Lucas Lee's. I can't be convinced that this, Gray Man and Ghosted aren't fake movies within a movie...

[@cyborgparrot1996]

Oh, c'mon man, Gray Man is way above this.

[@najhoant]

He even played Lucas Lee again in Netflix's animated Scott Pilgrim series (really great, by the way, especially if you've seen the Edgar Wright movie).

[@josiah3820]

Ah Gray Man isn't bad actually.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

​@@cyborgparrot1996 Gray Man was a terrible movie, extremely boring, it doesnt help that Ryan Gosling cant act but the rest of the film was also terrible. Watched Ghosted with my girlfriend and was actually surprised it was a decent sort of rom com with some funny jokes and a couple decent action scenes. I was expecting it to be way worse. I use the "get a cactus" line sometimes on people who complain they cant keep their plants alive.

[@ericdewell1905]

“He he, that’s actually hilarious!”

[@BrokenControllerClub]

I'd like to think that people are finally getting over Dwayne Johnson and his constant BSing when promoting his movies. His movies aren't doing as well as they used to and his star power doesn't appear to be nearly as powerful as it was. Time will tell.

[@kyotheman69]

Dwayne is like Steven Segal now, you see him its "its a skip"

[@thefallenfaith1986]

Has DJ ever done a truly great movie? Or even just a really good one. Everything he's been in (going back to the nineties) has been mediocre.

[@DarkSymphony777]

he's only really popular to the wrestling fans at this point

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

His problem is that he takes on too many roles and has saturated the market. He needs to step back to doing 1 movie every 3 years and he might be able to repair his career. He also needs to be more selective in his roles. This was a terrible decision to take on this film.

[@shinzero0271]

@@barnabusdoyle4930 He's one of the producers of this film. Honestly, I think the thing that hurts him the most is Black Adam, which was a total mess of a film because it somehow wanted to be an anti-hero/villain origin story that was also kid-friendly and introduced a bunch of heroes to a setting that was already a mess. He basically tried to pull the same thing Margot Robbie did with Birds of Prey (which wasn't great, but also wasn't bad, and unfortunately released right as the COVID shutdowns started) and failed, big time.

[@jasonescudero3185]

What's wrong?... One thing... The Rock playing "The Rock" for the billionth time... 😆

[@joshuaswinarton3274]

I swear that every studio has just copied the avengers formula, and changed it a little bit. Too much CGI, too much reliance on ‘witty’ humour and clunky dialogue, etc. etc… the cycle has to stop. Oh yeah, also reboots, often terrible imo. Hollywood needs to stop the slop, and get some new blood injected into its system.

[@shinzero0271]

The reboots are the result of the society-wide nostalgia trend. Everyone seems to be favoring things they used to like these days without actually addressing/admitting their issues with what is current.

[@Chiguy79]

$250 MILLION?!?!?!?!? It doesn't even look like a $100M. What studio executive thought this movie could be profitable? I really hope we start to see the return of the $50-75M (or less even) comedy movies like we got back in the '90s and early '00s. Much lower risk and much easier to turn a profit on.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Comedy movies shouldnt cost more than 10 or 20 million. Just get some funny guys together and roll camera. Its not that hard. Ghostbusters had a budget of 30 million with a ton of expensive special effects and that was considered extremely high at the time for a comedy film. About the same figure for Blues Brothers. So, of course we had a lot of inflation since the 80s but with a comparable budget adjusted for inflation I expect comparable quality, not gutter water like these Rock movies Netflix pumps out.

[@quakethedoombringer]

⁠@@TheSuperappelflapGhostbusters is so cheap is because of inflation. You can make a shot for shot remake in the 2020s and it would definitely cost at least around $100-150 million.

[@IAteFire]

@@quakethedoombringer adjusted for inflation it clocks in at around 93M. But another consideration is the way in which budget handling and filmmaking in general has shifted over the years.

[@MinesAGuinness]

@@TheSuperappelflap Rather than 'just get some funny guys together and roll camera,' you would probably also want to devote some time to scriptwriting to make a great comedy. It has become increasingly obvious to spot the moments in Hollywood comedies when the director said, "So, here's a scene where you all hang about and say, I don't know, something funny. Improvise!" As an example, the Ghostbusters remake of 2016 didn't lack for talented comedians. What it did lack was a fully-developed script with jokes. Scene after scene was clearly shot by a director demanding more and more improv to cover their lack of preparation. Even a cast with years of experience on Saturday Night Live couldn't force 2 hours of spontaneous humour - much less turn that improv into a coherent narrative by themselves. You get inspired improvisation that elevates a film when writers and directors provide a solid foundation of a script to riff from.

[@JaylonHarden]

Like who actually thought this would be a movie that people would go rush out and see because if you spend that type of money that is what you are assuming

[@careydaniels310]

please for the love of all oldschool movies bring back the sincerity. Every movie nowadays feels so empty and insecure, every piece of dialogue feels like a wink and a nod towards the camera saying "dont worry about getting invested, we think this is stupid too". I think a movie like this could maybe work if they played it straight with the utter absurdity and still gave the characters time to share real emotions. Make me a movie in some bizarre setting where Santa Claus gets together a gang of master criminals to earnestly ask them for help in saving Christmas from the evil sorcerer who is trying to drain the holiday cheer from the world. Make it stupid, make it over the top, make it goofy, but make it honest, no Bathos, just give me the ridiculous shit and present it as fact, because thats more fun than acknowledging its fiction. i dont know, maybe im rambling, maybe im on the wrong track with the problem here. But i just want movies to have heart again.

[@FerraticaTheBard]

Gods I'd love to see Santa hire the crew from Leverage to help restore Christmas spirit or something. "All right then, let's go steal back Christmas."

[@cortomaltese5206]

If you want a modern movie with that spirit Id recomend Spontaneous

[@FerraticaTheBard]

@@cortomaltese5206 Arthur Christmas is another good one, it's got so much genuine heart.

[@JillCheese]

I'd say the same for most media from shows and movies to even Instagram skits. Gordon Ramsay tried to reboot Kitchen Nightmares, and off-rip it had that "current-day heartless and disingenuous" stinch that I despise. Everything is so soulless now.

[@HandsomeMalcolmcats]

You want movies to be written by humans again.

[@solowing6746]

4:09 is that... FF7's Midgard?

[@psychokinrazalon]

The difference between now and the 60s is that audiences have so many other entertainment options, and just as well, so do creators. You don’t have to go to Hollywood to make a movie when you can crowdfund and stay independent. A lot of young creatives are putting their stuff online and raking in tons of money without ever needing to sign a contract given by a suit. Hollywood is genuinely facing extinction.

[@tjenadonn6158]

Precisely. No need for a Disney Renaissance 2.0 when we're already in a golden age of indie animation and the sorts of animators who previously would've made the Little Mermaids or FernGullys of tomorrow for major studios are already making and releasing their projects so they don't wind up getting the Thief and the Cobbler treatment.

[@Nickcaged]

Worst part is Chris keeps asking for Wonder Women Action figure through out the movie. But they dont do anything with it. Like there is no pay off 😢

[@rechitsapivo]

Wasn't the chick in a black bikini enough for you?

[@COSun25]

Imagine if the film was released by WB, MAAAAYBE it would've worked. I wish that the mention of said action figure was cut from the film.

[@Nickcaged]

@COSun25 I bet Gal Gadot was supposed do a cameo. But she didn't or it got cut off while editing.

[@drewforchic9083]

I can only imagine if there was that it would play out like in Shazam 2, where it suddenly blares her rock theme as she just randomly walks in at an inappropriate time

[@TheDisgruntledIdealist]

@@COSun25Warner Bros. actually distributed the film outside of the U.S. 😂

[@bigman1163]

I saw the trailer and thought the concept was a little bit cute, but then the Rock appeared and I was like “Oh, it’s that kind of movie”. Then I saw it also had Chris Evan and J.K. Simmons, and then I realized “Oh, and it’s ALSO the kind of movie to spend its budget all on big name actors? Ok…”

[@Selrisitai]

Yeah, you see "The Rock" these days, and even Chris Evans, and you immediately think, "This must be an annoying Marvel-style movie with mediocre-everything."

[@theShcrunkly]

What did they do to my boy Simmons? 😢

[@piewithmoustachepwm]

Best part of the film was that Krampus likes baddies Can't remember anything else about the entire film which says a lot about how memorable it is

[@flaamingeaux]

Gabi Belle did a fantastic video essay on Hollywood's issue with comedy movies these days. I'd also like to point out an issue many people have stated about modern Hollywood: The Lighting. Even through the clips you showed here, I had to turn my phone on full bright and I was in a moderately lit room and in some of the scenes, I *STILL* couldn't see the characters very well. I just went and watched the rest of the video in my dark closet so I could actually see 😭

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

I was in the same closet and i agree, in your closet the videos look the brightest.

[@GabrielaDeLaVega2905]

I was watching House of The Dragon in my room very late at night with not a single light on and I kid you not I still couldn't see a single thing that was happening. I don't understand production anymore.

[@flaamingeaux]

@@GabrielaDeLaVega2905 I do know that part of it is a production tactic, a smart but lazy one. Basically darkness can hide cheap or poorly done CGI/costuming/sets better. Basically wherever they can cut corners they will. I've also heard that they've changed the techniques in which things are filmed. For example, they no longer backlit subjects to make it easier to see. In addition to the equipment they record on has surpassed that than what most average home TVs can handle (making them darker visually) and that also, supposedly, contributes to the issue. Game of Thrones was supposedly one of the first to adopt this method of filming at least in regards for TV. (sorry, I'm taking a throwaway course in film this semester so I got just a tad bit of insight)

[@bensherinian3599]

This could've been funnier as a Die Hard type parody rather then the "action hero" movie format that we got.

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

Silent Night Deadly Night is closer to that.

[@bensherinian3599]

@ huh, I’ll into that one. Thanks man.

[@P.A-PROD8711]

Violent Night you mean, it's the real Santa Claus stuck in a Die Hard situation

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

@@P.A-PROD8711 Yes I somehow got it confused with the funni "GARBAGE DAY!" movie I've never seen, that's what happens when you have 2 movies named after the same song lol.

[@shinzero0271]

@@P.A-PROD8711 I thought Violent Night was supposed to have a sequel but maybe that got pushed to next year.

[@jacinto1477]

"Rock is a very versatile actor"----- -said no one ever

[@necrosmurf316]

lol, Well I mean he is a rock. Rocks really dont change much.

[@legupff]

Well, he is, because he play both "The Rock" and Dwayne Johnson.

[@SantaClaus10009]

If you squint your eyes very closely, you can tell he's a little bit different than Dwayne. The Rock Johnson in the jungle. Mostly because he's Dwayne The Rock Johnson in an elf suit. Now. You can tell it took a lot of work for him to make such character change

[@fataleflare]

I see his Bald head and I don’t see the a character I just see him playing a buff guy with insecurities. I couldn’t bring myself to finish it on Amazon prime. So I’ll watch/listen to reviews.

[@omeganeoz]

Nah bro this movie was fun. I honestly stopped caring if movies are «good» and now im just thinking about how much i enjoyed sitting through it and i had a good time

[@Cbb3225]

I’ve learned to just enjoy things as I’ve gotten older and it helps make life more fun

[@Erasureeraser]

Apparently, the budget for this thing somehow costed $250 million. You could've give all those money to A24 and let them made 150 to 200 awesome Indie films. Instead, we got another The Rock movie where he's just being.......The Rock. Huh, thanks Hollywood 👍

[@aiwash2766]

A24 has like 2-4 good movies all other are ass, let’s stop pretending like A24 makes nothing but bangers when they absolutely do not

[@lukasgulbinas8618]

I really hope that the rock puts more effort into his performances after Red One inevitably bombs and Smashing Machine, his A24 film, comes out, and he stops with being just a brand.

[@user-tt7ds6oo4b]

@@aiwash2766 I agree - I applaud that they take more risks than usual companies but it results in A LOT of pretentious garbage with Hallmark level plots and horrendous acting.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

​@aiwash2766 Finally, someone else agrees! A24 is completely Overrated as a movie studio. It is basically indie drama films that are over reaching in the acting department.

[@Stinkoman87]

​@aiwash2766 yeah, but at least the failures are conceptually interesting. That the whole studio isn't riding on every film making a billion dollars means they can take more risks. Some of those risks even pan out.

[@Malforian]

Just watch Klaus instead

[@soleneptune9498]

It’s 1000x better too

[@marioalfredo5542]

All the JK Santa I need!

[@peteryt357]

Or Die Hard.

[@RandomCryptid]

jingle all the way is my pic

[@ziff_1]

Klaus, The Ref, A Christmas Story, Home Alone, The Muppet Christmas Carol, Elf, and if you want a little raunchiness ... Bad Santa.

[@shinzero0271]

The biggest thing Red One did was make me want the overall setting to be a franchise. Make films starring Lucy Liu's character trying to manage the mythological world. The Christmas theme held back the film so much and the whole idea of a lighthearted franchise that is basically Men in Black meets Supernatural is appealing to me. My biggest issue with Red One was that it seemed to not know what audience it was going for or what it wanted to be. It had the dialogue of a film like Semi-Pro, the themes of a film like Elf, the action of a film like Jumanji, a plot that seemed to require Pirates of the Carribean-level CG and a budget that somehow only let them afford Disney+ MCU show CG. In terms of audience, it seemed to follow kid movie rules while being made for mid/late teens and containing just enough so that adults could enjoy parts. The stuff with Evan's son was just... bad even if the overall message about being a parent was kinda okay. The whole setup was essentially Evan's ex forcing him to drop everything he was doing to go pick up his son because she can't pick him up. Her entire character is insulting him until he goes to meet with his son, twice. The second time she doesn't even give him the chance to explain that he's in another country at the time. The overall snowman scene wasn't an issue for me. There was the whole moment where it looked like there was going to be a reveal that Johnson's character wasn't human. He kept referring to 'normal' people as human and when asked about it he gave a vague answer that seemed like it would've tied into something later but it never did. The CG budget seemed fully spent by the time the final encounter happened though. The big reveal of the villain's true form was a let down at that point because they lacked detail compared to everyone in the Krampus scene.

[@andrewkoster6506]

It's hilarious to me that a production with a budget of A QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS can run into the type of amateur "oh haha we're out of CGI budget because we planned nothing" problems that not even a student film with a literal zero budget will run into.

[@bricaaron3978]

@@andrewkoster6506 Wow... Is $250M just _average_ big budget nowadays? I remember when Waterworld's $200M budget was mind-blowing --- unprecedented if I recall correctly. I haven't been in a theatre since The Hobbit (2012?), so I'm not in the loop.

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@bricaaron3978 it's tied with SEVERAL other movies for the 26th most expensive movie of all time. So it's not exactly average but not record-breaking either

[@Dukie5656]

I'm not reading all of that

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@Dukie5656 i wish i could avoid reading your slop post bragging about not reading

[@psychodoxie6987]

3:41 "A game made for everyone is a game for no one"-Arrowhead

[@Thane36425]

Cleopatra was an example of the studio messing up a decent film. It was intended to be a two part movie, the first focusing on Caesar and the second on Antony and all that came after Caesar's death. But the studio demanded one long movie, and that with a lot of footage cut out. Had it been released as two movies it might well have done better and been better thought of.

[@Attmay]

They tried looking for that missing footage in the 90s and couldn't find any.

[@Thane36425]

@Attmay It was probably thrown away a long time ago, probably when the cutting was done.

[@LordSluggo]

@@Attmay back then there were no Director's Cuts or any thought to preserving footage, so if it wound up on the cutting room floor, it wound up in the trash

[@shmackydoodRon]

The Rock’s ego is enough to make me hate his work.

[@AwfulWaffle8474]

also his "gee wiz, i'm such a normal person" vibe he portrays.

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@AwfulWaffle8474 even though he talks like an alien's idea of how a movie star would talk. Like what was that "game over" shit that he was yammering about

[@NiGiff]

Stop calling him The Rock. The Rock is a wrestling character he’s played on television that was known to be egotistical. However, the ego of the character has NOTHING on the ego of Dwayne Johnson, who plays him.

[@weswith360s]

@@NiGiff He will always be known to people as The Rock. Shut up

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@NiGiff TRUE

[@zacharymccoy7091]

This movie was like the antithesis to Arthur Christmas.

[@JonathanGaeta]

Man I remember Arthur Christmas. And I somewhat forgot it even exists

[@spirithero2446]

Don’t compare this garbage to Arthur Christmas. That movie was a huge part of my childhood Christmases.

[@gavinsiville9969]

Arthur Christmas was a great movie

[@tjjordan4207]

Ah man! I remember watching Arthur Christmas back in the day. I should give it a rewatch in the future.

[@Rogue-a-Pogue]

I think Santa Inc. was more the anti-thesis to Arthur Christmas. You could almost imagine Seth Rogan and Sarah Silverman watching the scene in the closet at the end and going "why wasn't the elf an option for the next santa?", then making an entire series based on that premise.

[@theindependantcartoonist]

I remember seeing the trailer before Transformers One and I remember turning to my little brother and saying 'You're telling me this couldn't have been an animated film?'

[@Jonathan_Collins]

If I had a nickel for every time JK Simmons was Santa Claus, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@cadden9938]

What's even weirder is that one of those is the best Christmas film of the 21st century and the other is the worst.

[@AlexMartinez-gv7hy]

What's the first one?

[@TEKITOcreations]

​@@AlexMartinez-gv7hy Klaus.

[@GharialGuy998]

@@AlexMartinez-gv7hy Klaus. It's an animated santa origin story I saw on Netflix. Loved it.

[@AlexMartinez-gv7hy]

@GharialGuy998 oh, I completely forgot he's in that film. So good

[@spinlok3943]

How many more freaking Santa Claus spy movie parodies do we need? We already have Arthur Christmas and prep and landing. It’s so so tired at this point.

[@DaWho05]

Arthur Christmas is goated tho, can’t argue with that

[@gamecokben]

Arthur Christmas is great. This is just a ripoff of that relatively underground movie.

[@ProjektTaku]

Arthur Christmas is genuine good tho.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Yeah, like, and those are good, too!

[@spinlok3943]

@@ProjektTaku Oh I meant no disrespect to Arthur Christmas, my point was that it’s simply becoming an overdone concept.

[@Laidback_616]

The first thing i thought upon seeing the trailer was Dwayne and Chris just got a boat of cash to play themselves in a Christmas movie.

[@Nox117]

Congrats on publishing your comic! That's awesome, and I'll definitely pick it up.

[@commando6683]

Looking at the trailer and marketing for the film, all I can think to myself is, “This is the embodiment of corporate slop trying so hard not to look like a garbage corporate hallmark christmas movie” Also Regular Show did this premise better in their holiday special.

[@stephaniecoomey2356]

if you watch cartoons for internet edge lords your comment is irrelevant

[@HandsomeMalcolmcats]

I watched this one and a Hallmark Christmas movie. The hallmark one was better.

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Fun Fact, apparently the reason why the budget was so big is because the Rock was late to set everyday, which caused the budget to go up as they had to pay the staff for overtime.

[@connie4334]

He was sometimes 6 hours late to set and apparently would piss in bottles. Dude is a fucking unhinged narcissistic douchebag

[@ABDP]

This seems like a HUGE stretch. He is very tight with scheduling and a huge team that handles this. He also was very harsh to Deasel for being late. I think this is a "Trust me bro" quote

[@thepoleontheroad]

Sounds so Hollywood

[@ericjohnson9623]

​@@ABDP He was asked about his lateness in a recent interview, and while he said 8 hours late was "ridiculous," he admitted he comes to set late. Chris Evans said they "factor it into" the day's schedule. Guy is late as fuck.

[@Bustermachine]

@@ABDP Yeah, there's a lot of criticism to be leveled about the Johnson as a media star, but everything I've ever heard is that, within his wheel house, he's reliable.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

I felt ZERO Christmas magic or spirit or love or joy. You know, the things a Christmas movies needs.

[@animelvr99]

Die hard was more of a Xmas movie lol

[@chris8800]

Its nice to see a video talking about the problems with modern hollywood, thats not just screaching about buzzwords

[@tetzujin]

"Its shot like an insurance commercial" is brual lmao

[@DKyle327]

Anything with Dwayne in it, is automatically going to suck. It baffles me why they still put him in movies.

[@penguinjay]

Chinese people think he's popular. They would flip if they knew he was so universally hated.

[@kingvagar]

The days of Christmas movies who are in the comedy genre, like: A Christmas Story, Trading Places, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, Home Alone, Jingle All the Way, Elf are dead gone.

[@KingThrillgore]

Remember the scene in Home Alone 2 where Marv electrocutes himself into a skeleton? That's a Christmas moment right there. Right up there with all of Die Hard.

[@vmaxg7208]

Trading Place, Home Alone are crap movies. Not good by any standards.

[@zacheryredden5417]

Klaus came out a few years ago and is super good.

[@ShadowMoses900]

I liked The Ref too.

[@kendallrivers1119]

​@@vmaxg7208 ok, you're drunk 😂

[@byron4545]

I don't get the hate this movie is receiving. It has likeable characters, good actors, cool Christmas mythology, nice action sequences and some heartwarming dad-son stuff. It's a nice Christmas movie.

[@KaiqueFrias]

It was harmless nothing groundbreaking but not as bad as the internet makes it out to be

[@HappycoloredGrimsby]

We’re just sick of these kind of movies and Hollywood’s shit general

[@HappycoloredGrimsby]

Oh and we’re sick of the rock too

[@KaiqueFrias]

@@HappycoloredGrimsby meh Hollywood has produced worse even in its prime

[@KaiqueFrias]

@@HappycoloredGrimsby all actors nowadays are like the rock where they play themselves and not a characters they have all became brands not actors

[@undeadreader23]

I overheard a tv movie reviewer talking about Red One - He opened with "This movie is getting hammered by negative reviews and woke media, but I thought it was really fun!" and he then gave it 2 and a half stars.... Edit - It was 2 and a half stars out of 5 Edit 2 - I think the woke media comment was more of a 'wokies hate Christmas' thing

[@Selrisitai]

Out of five?

[@RomeoTangoLima80]

Define woke, pussy.

[@officialtoddhoward69]

I am so tired of this chud behavior of calling everything you disagree with as being "woke", it's just a dog whistle and the word isn't even used properly, it's just a stand in for "this is something I hate".

[@cheesydawg371]

Woke media? What do they think people don't like this movie cause it has buff men and Christmas?

[@Tunneltoo]

​@@cheesydawg371yes sadly... There should be PROPER reasons to dislike this movie

[@ninjanibba4259]

The trailer told me everything I needed to know about it…Not surprised in the slightest I do wish Evans and Simmons would stop doing this lazy mess for work, Rock is beyond saving at this point

[@StuartLugsden]

I saw like 5-10 seconds and a couple screenshots on Twitter and it said everything. Another piece of crap that somehow roped in Chris Evans and JK Simmons.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

I think they went the Harrison Ford route. They dont care what they do as long as they get paid.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@TheSuperappelflap Which is a shame because both can play serious and goofy people to perfection if given the right script and director.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@StuartLugsden Oh yeah I like them both when they're in a good movie. Sadly Evans hasn't done many of those. I don't like the cape stuff, I did watch Ghosted with my girlfriend and he was surprisingly charming in that.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@TheSuperappelflap He was good in Knives Out.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

This is why I don't watch a movie because of the cast When a movie spends a fortune with a heavy cast, extravagant costumes and exotic locations It means that very little was spent in a decent script

[@wolfshade5020]

I don’t think there’s an issue with having well know actors in a movie. The issue is giving the cast mediocre material to work with. An actor is only as good as the scripts they are given regardless of the genre. Tropic Thunder had a mostly well known cast and it had an entertaining story that was funny and satirical

[@LeonardoKlotz]

​@@wolfshade5020There's a difference between joining a movie because of the script and joining a movie because of the money This movie follows the letter. What other reason would a movie like this would have a budget of $250 million? There's the old mentality that the actor's name alone is gonna sell the movie There's a reason why Hollywood doesn't follow this tactic anymore This is exactly what killed the rom-com genre we knew 20 years ago

[@wolfshade5020]

@ Oh i’m not defending this movie by any means I was just providing an example. This movie I knew was by the numbers the moment Dwayne Johnson showed up

[@LeonardoKlotz]

​@@wolfshade5020I know I was just saying seeing the cast and the budget was the indication that this movie was gonna suck

[@dhenderson1810]

​@@LeonardoKlotz I still think putting Tom Cruise in a movie sells it, as he has few movie failures. Very few others can guarantee it these days.

[@SuperKillJoy15]

250 mil budget, and none of it was advertising because this is the first ive heard of it

[@peacecitizen1]

Unfortunately, the studios, producers or industry will learn the wrong lesson from this, and think that maybe the movie didn't do well because people don't like colors in the title.

[@inconemay1441]

"people just don't like non sequel non remake movies!"

[@VintageSpeedVault]

@@inconemay1441 ha ha genuine lol from me there - that will 100% be their takeaway as they start looking through spec scripts for the Beekeeper 7

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Saw an advert for this at the cinema recently. I honestly feel like this is just a fake film that's intended to be used as a parody in an another film.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Yep. Perfect Tropic Thunder preview material.

[@Bustermachine]

Exactly! It's like the film they're making in the background inside a satirical film about Hollywood studios.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

​@@Bustermachine Poochie: The Movie.

[@vgtrp]

I agree that Hollywood needs a major shake-up, but Hollywood is so risk-averse that it is going to take something that's both unique enough and appeal to a wide audience to shake them out of this current mindset. Also, if you're trying to appeal to everyone, you end up appealing to no one.

[@calebayton9073]

I was very early on "The Rock ruins every movie he's in by refusing to be anyone other than The Rock" train and refused to see any movie he's in for nearly 10 years (except for Jumanji, which wasn't that great either) and every time I've watched a review about his films I feel better and better about that stance

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Violent Night (Another Christmas Action Movie) was everything Red One was not. An action movie that was funny, and it didn’t have a bigger budget as the Rock’s Christmas Stocking.

[@tomquirk9411]

Exactly, THAT was how you should do an edgy Christmas action comedy; budget it responsibly, actually have some soul and release it in December. The fact that Red One was farted out in mid-November certainly betrays the lack of faith the studio had in its success, similar to how Disney kneecapped last year’s Haunted Mansion movie by releasing it way before Halloween and ensuring nobody watched it.

[@the-berries-and-cream-dude]

You can’t make a Christmas movie and then not bring the Christmas vibes and essence, that’s literally WHY people like Christmas movies 😭

[@Selrisitai]

A good example is the movie Krampus, which I haven't seen since watching it in the theaters, but it did come to 4k and I'm going to watch it soon, and hopefully it's at least as good as I remember if not better. The point is that Krampus might just be a decent but not excellent film, and it still has the spirit of Christmas in it.

[@Terastas]

It's our own damn fault for insisting that Die Hard is a Christmas movie.

[@KingOfMadCows]

But the fact that this movie was made by Amazon MGM Studio means that it wasn't really made by the traditional Hollywood studio system. It's more of a shift of the entertainment industry where other big corporations are trying to buy into movie industry by setting up or buying a studio of their own. Traditional studios still do the "one for us, one for you" deals with directors where directors make a big budget blockbuster film for the studio and in exchange, their indie/passion project gets funding. There's none of that with these Amazon/Netflix funded movies, the directors don't even really matter to them.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Netflix has funded some good movies in the past, their quality has just taken a big nosedive in the last couple years since their venture capital investors were getting impatient and making silly demands like "making a profit", whatever the hell that means.

[@IAteFire]

This isn’t necessarily true, at least not 100%. Most of these streamers are also competing for awards contenders. You’re seeing more and more Amazon/Apple TV/Netflix movies in the awards season. They take gambles on prestige directors who don’t work in the studio system sometimes. Sometimes they do this and don’t even market them. But they also tend to be the ones who can afford multiple stars and put them in high budget direct to dvd MCU parodies as a way to draw general audiences. In a lot of ways, they’re exactly like the traditional studios.

[@alexvp9344]

This Hollywood slop being released the same year as the work of art that is The Wild Robot is insane to me, Im so glad animation has been proven bit by bit how superior it can be to a “normal” hollywood release

[@williamapple7705]

I'd really like to see a new Christmas movie, a drama, where Santa is just hiding away in a medium sized town. Usual motivations, Santa is burnt out, yada yada. It could be more of a character study about generosity and the drive to do good. There doesn't need to be over the top theatrics or something sinisterly dark. Idk, just feels like we haven't seen a good Christmas-themed drama that adds to the ethos in a LONG time.

[@nosfonader8792]

If this was a movie solely staring Chris Evans who's a douche on Christmas being hunted by Krampus while being saved by Santa, I think this would have worked a lot better. I wanted to see mainly for Chris Evans because I like it when he plays douchey characters.

[@CrimpyPlate]

A budget of $250 million. And almost 1/3 of it goes to just the Rock and his ego

[@Wellington-nl7vm]

I felt the exact same thing about "Red Notice". It literally exemplifies everything that is wrong with modern cinema.

[@TMS-Oddbot]

5:00 Disney thinking Luca and Turning Red are flops because of their content and not how they were distributed is unfortunate. Another more well-known example of this probably. They weren’t buried into obscurity, but they “flopped”

[@andrewkoster6506]

and yet, you just know that the takeaway from this movie will be "it would have succeeded, if we had hired The Rock a second time to play two versions of himself and if we had doubled the budget while paying the CGI animators half of what we paid them and adding a second brown filter to every shot"

[@DoffysGlasses]

It helped that those were also atrocious movies

[@nathanthompson6676]

​@@DoffysGlasses no they weren't?

[@DoffysGlasses]

@@nathanthompson6676 they sure were

[@ChildOfTheWilderness]

Disney thinks movies it only released on streaming are flops?

[@HowlandGreywolfe]

Im not gonna lie, I did enjoy the movie. Like it was nothing fantastic (aside from Krampus and Friends). But this was easily 75mil over budget. Should have dropped the Rock and Evens and grabed some cheaper but still mid range stars and I don't think it would have hurt the film much. Certainly help it get its budget back because there is no way this wont flop.

[@LeaderOfTheLostSouls]

The first comment I’ve seen that said they actually watched and enjoyed it jeez like sure it isn’t amazing and it’s over budget but c’mon it was just a dumb fun Christmas movie it was funny, had some goofy action (a bit stolen from mcu), some decent designs with Krampus, a nice message and a nice arc for the bad dad so it wasn’t awful yet it isn’t that original or anything crazy of course. My main complaint would be the fact Jk Simmons not doing much in this movie sadly and the movie’s arc was rushed especially with the son tbh.

[@shinzero0271]

@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls After the ending showing Santa delivering all the presents, I was forced to wonder how they even captured him. The guy was basically ninja bullet-time Ant-Man. I enjoyed the film, but wanted more from the overall setting than just being limited to Christmas-related characters.

[@StuartLugsden]

I feel sorry for the crew. These people have talent and they have to waste it on making shit like this.

[@ADifferentVibe]

Same. I get they get paid but for those who want to contribute to a product they're proud, this just sucks.

[@doctorrobert1339]

@@ADifferentVibe It grinds your soul down to work on stuff you know sucks.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@doctorrobert1339 Its the VFX people I feel most sorry for.

[@DogethanDogestarASMR]

Wow. That was one of the most constructively created pieces of criticism I've ever listened to. Definitely earned a sub- Can't wait to watch more of your content!

[@QBG]

"I'd rather see a red one in my toilet." - _Mike Stoklassa (probably)_

[@bencarlson4300]

That’s sounds more like a Mr Plinkett quote than a Mike quote

[@miahthorpatrick1013]

Yes, definitely a Mr Plinkett line! 😂

[@kwisatzhaderach9591]

They stole the idea from South Park's "Red Sleigh Down" Christmas special, where Santa was tried bringing Christmas to the middle east

[@Deondre_Clark]

Dwayne is 100% the perfect leading man for the current state of movies

[@wannabe12g68]

Every time this movie is brought up I’ll think about how when I first saw the trailer, I was legitimately interested and throughly that it had some potential… right up until I saw the rock. Then I knew what kind of movie it was going to be and haven’t given it another thought.

[@mesousagaby740]

Just watch Violent Night. That actually has a Santa killing fools.

[@bencarlson4300]

And that movie isn’t even that great, but it’s decent enough to be fun. More than can be presumably said for this product.

[@KRYPTIC05]

@@bencarlson4300even if the movie is bad I wish it had more to it. If you get an action movie, get David Leitch, he at least knows how to make absurd and crazy plots work while having awesome action.

[@zilun]

Every year, I rewatch Nightmare Before Christmas when it’s Christmas time.

[@Old_Machine_Spirit]

There's also the super cheese that is Santa's Slay, and that one has a few hilarious kills.

[@danditzel7271]

Hollywood already made a Christmas action comedy that we watch every year, it's called Die Hard

[@Ninewave1]

"So, you kids want an off the wall family Christmas movie with The Rock, bad one liners, and superpowers?" "Oh, and it should be set in a multiverse!"

[@jerm4950]

Please tell me that you are joking and they didn't actually mentioned the multiverse...

[@renno2679]

​@@jerm4950Nah they didn't lol. But then again I don't remember the movie very well...

[@PatchGuilf]

When one of the actors, out of 5 big names, demands a 50mil paycheck you're in trouble.

[@lacolem1]

Unless Lee Majors shows up with a machine gun, with Bill Murray cackling in the background, I refuse to believe this movie exists

[@TapCat]

The first time I saw the trailer, I definitely felt like some studio exec had watched Scrooged and wanted to turn that 1 minute gag into a whole movie.

[@orifox1629]

Can we talk about the intelligence agency thing? Can we talk about how America is so broken that in its fairytale stories of beings giving out free toys and bringing joy they now have to work with panopticonic intelligence agencies that use lethal force? Like. "What if Santa was like a CEO and he had a security team that used lethal force, how cool would that be? Oh and what if there's an intelligence agency that does the same, so cool right?" Idk what if Santa was a good guy who wanted to give toys to people. What if Santa opposed authoritarianism?

[@thefilthyrhombus3856]

You know what's funny is that in the Rankin & Bass "Santa Clause is Coming to Town" movie Santa is actually anti-authortarianism. It's kinda the whole plot of the movie.

[@Peweskimooxy]

@@thefilthyrhombus3856 Sounds more worth while to watch that instead.

[@shinzero0271]

The intelligence agency managed all mythological creatures. What you're missing is that 'friendly' mythological creatures aren't really that common. Those fairytale stories are the result of companies like Hallmark/Disney shifting various mythological beings into things they can market to make a ton of money. Santa having bodyguards consisting of bipedal Polar Bears, trolls, and even an agency called E.L.F. when you consider the various stories that comprise Santa. You have nice guys like Saint Nicholas but you also have the slavic figure of Father Frost. Odin/Wodin, Kris Kringle, etc. Santa Claus is anywhere from just a kind religious guy to a winter spirit, to god of war/battle/wisdom/death who is nice to kids. We're just at a point in society where Krampus is becoming a known holiday figure and he's a mythological creature that has apparently been around a while but wasn't marketable visually (sense he looked demonic, yay censorship) until tv shows exploring mythological creatures and horror movies were made about him. Also having seen the film, they never use lethal force. I don't think any being actually dies in the film as even the Snow Men are treated as if they're still alive (for the safety of the people containing them) even though their bodies have melted. People get thrown around but the goal of both the villain and the heroes is to imprison, not kill. Even the overall agency monitoring mythological beings mentions containing them and negotiated treaties to prevent major disasters.

[@monash4250]

Welcome to America...where genocidal imperialist wars, the police surveillance state & blatant racism & bigotry towards certain groups & religions is celebrated & hidden behind thinly veiled sophisticated propaganda.

[@ThatsPety]

You are completely overthinking it and grasping at straws imo. Its just a "oh lets take the cute innocent santa concept and put a new spin on it". Thats it. Its fine, if a bit cliche

[@j.martinez8282]

Wasn't this originally made as a TV movie on IBC, "The Night the Reindeer Died" where terrorists seize Santa's Workshop starring Lee Majors back in the late 80s?

[@thefilthyrhombus3856]

I remember that. It was on after my fourth favorite Father Loves Beaver episode.

[@andrewkoster6506]

i would be extremely surprised if anything about "Red One" was original in any way, so you're almost certainly correct