Can an MTG PRO Guess How Good YuGiOh Cards Are? | Staple or Stinker

[@CardmarketYGO]

Change of Heart is seeing more play in side decks lately, so we'll give Thoralf a bonus point for his foresight! Check out an example deck list here: - bit.ly/4b1pGUB

[@electra_]

people used to hate it but... they had a change of heart

[@MasStoryGamer]

Thoralf said Phoenix is the same as Change of Heart so if he gets a point for it he should for Phoenix as well.

[@MrGhosta5]

Change of heart has always been good and still is. You're being foolish for ignoring decades of usage in favor of recent trends.

[@josepharmstrong6852]

Staple Stinker is kind silly all these cards are good or have seen play it would be better to ask MTG players to talk to Yu-Gi-Oh! players just to take about the game the current meta and talk about why they like it or don't about the game and what the similarities and differences between the games. This format of video not only doesn't make sense but also misses the point of tech cards and edge cases where it's correct to play them but that kind of nuance is impossible when you produce this kind of drivel content get better please huge platform disappointed.

[@ChampionOfSkyrim]

You should do all synchro and xyz monsters next time, but only ones that are good in their specific archetype. Really throw Thoralf for a loop

[@abendsonnewarriorcats9474]

Change of heart is actually played in a lot of side decks currently to take the apolusa of a SE Board

[@ssjEasterBunny]

Change of Heart - "Stinker! It was a staple card for a very long time and even banned, but not anymore." Knightmare Phoenix - "Staple! It was a staple card for a very long time, just not anymore."

[@Alejandrodemontana]

My thoughts exactly

[@silastopole]

I honestly wouldnt have known what to call em in this series … They both seem very much in between, as phoenix is seeing much less play since sp and change of heart is niche side deck

[@olliezoop]

Funny thing is that Change of ❤️ has been re-entering side decks recently as part of a Thrust package for going 2nd, and Phoenix is regaining relevance as a fire fiend that you can make when you're fiend locked by Sharvara and fire locked by Promethean Princess, plus it can be co-linked with an Apollousa to protect it from battle

[@logandelaharpe6362]

Yet change of heart is still topping

[@troytheboy1985]

change of heart is played more then phoenix i know i know pop the s/t but would i why go into phoenix when i can go into asscode not have any trap used on me and blow up the whole backrow

[@lucadenti7450]

calling "bad a limited to 1 card that has tops in recent major events is crazy

[@josepharmstrong6852]

Category error is the issue they want to bucket cards into good or bad it's not that simple side deck main deck not playable is probably but it's just awkward for them

[@wyomingptt]

Yeah Change of Heart was a weird card to start off with. It is an objectively good card but calling it a staple feels wrong.

[@banana9494]

@@wyomingptt Sure but its hard to see it as a stinker either, it was great when it came out, got banned. now off hte banlist finally and seeing regular play even if not in every deck or main deck

[@waiyon1951]

Same with phoenix it was a good link 2 but rarely see play anymore unless the deck has space and needs something to remove backrow. Because i don't think phoenix should get a staple tag in the current day.

[@StarWagi]

​@@waiyon1951snake eye plays Knightmare Phoenix. I don't know if its the standard, but it's utility and allows you to OTK on an open board with the zealantis.

[@Prinrin]

Holy heck, the channel isn't dead? Welcome back!

[@CardmarketYGO]

Excited to be back! Thanks for watching! -Taylor

[@christopherb501]

0:44 WTH are you talking about?! He used it ONE time, and it was used by two VILLAINS before that!

[@KaoruMzk]

The host was probably thinking of Brain Control. He used that one a lot.

[@majickman]

I haven't watched all of DM but even I was like "but isn't that Bakura's favorite card?" lol

[@RaidZeroh]

Probably just minor confusion since Change of Heart was in the Yugi Structure.

[@GeneralNickles]

I highly contest the change of heart segment. Change of heart is a FANTASTIC card. There's a reason it's stayed limited after it was unbanned. It's seen a moderate amount of competitive success since the day it was released from the ban list. I wouldn't call it a "staple" by any means, but it's a very good card, even by todays standards.

[@bhumibolrushing7830]

I love how thoralf said getting 2 link monsters must be inconceivable lmao

[@yurisei6732]

I run Waking the Dragon often. Because no one runs it, no one expects it, so it works surprisingly often. Then in game 2 and 3, the threat of having a Waking the Dragon tends to ward off backrow removal, so you can take the Waking the Dragons out and not have to worry about your opponent destroying your other traps.

[@RoyceCCG]

One issue I've seen on this show (and other similar segments) is ambiguity on what situation we're evaluating the cards in. For Yugioh, I suggest clarifying the time period: is a Staple™️ considered a card that's a staple currently, a staple at some point in the past, or a staple over many different formats throughout the game's history? Still, I love the format and am super happy about the recent revitalization of the Yugioh channel!

[@drewbabe]

I agree with the sentiment here, it should be clearer what context the evaluation is in. Would like to say that they probably use the word "staple" to just mean "significantly higher than average card value" and/or "meta-relevant." Or maybe just "good." They're using the word because it has alliteration with "stinker" that makes for a catchy name, even if it's a bit of a misnomer.

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

THE CARDMARKET YUGIOH CHANNEL IS BACK! I wish the best for the old cast, and hope theyre doing well. I'm hyped to see what's the new peeps are gonna cook

[@thesonicslasher75]

What did happen to the old cast? Just curious as I'm also glad to see this channel back.

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

@@thesonicslasher75 they left for reasons we do not know.

[@thesonicslasher75]

@@friskydrinklunkybank1108 oof. Alright then. Well like you said I wish them the best and am glad that this channel is back.

[@duncathan_salt]

A couple months ago they indicated that Leoni would be returning with the YGO channel! I hope that's still true

[@CardmarketYGO]

Stay tuned! You may see some familiar faces in the near future :) -Taylor

[@alexemp6201]

Nah come on now I wouldn't call change of heart a stinker, it sees some play in side decks as a board breaker. I wouldn't call it a staple either but still

[@nunocarvalho6671]

Bro, if it's not main decked everywhere and a lot of people just dont play it at all cause it isnt great anymore, it's a stinker

[@logandelaharpe6362]

Yet it still tops

[@misteral9045]

​@@nunocarvalho6671Haha I feel your pain, a lot of people are having the same argument about pot of greed. They're just trying to keep the nostalgia alive, even when they're a modern player who never actually got to play with the cards.

[@ARC--5973]

​@@nunocarvalho6671That is straight up idiotic logic. To ignore the fact that Change of Heart was banned for upwards of a decade, and was good enough that the worse versions of it (Mind/Brain Control) were also banned or limited for long periods of time, is incredibly disingenuous

[@kylegonewild]

@@ARC--5973 It's actually pretty straightforward logic. In Magic Bitterblossom was banned for a long time in Modern for being too powerful of an engine on a single card. It got unbanned and made next to no impact on any format it was legal in because it has been power crept by better engines that are either more efficient, more powerful, or both. It *was* a staple, now it's a pet card. If the thing is not showing up in mainboards it's not a staple it's at best a tech card.

[@Drangelon]

This was an excellent episode, having a nice means to translate game mechanics between the two big card games. More Yu-Gi-Oh! staples or stinkers would be great to see!

[@TheOneJameYT]

They’re awesome!!

[@Technizor]

13:15 interesting that Thoralf read it as "in the graveyard or banishment" when this card hasn't been errata'd to use this new terminology.

[@PhenomenalVibez]

Ummm…. The card says it right there and when you look up the card it says that exact description.

[@ItsPForPea]

@@PhenomenalVibez The card definitely does not say Banishment nor is this card ever errata'd to have that text.

[@Terraphice]

He’s not a native English speaker, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a German version of the card where that translation makes the most sense, compared to ‘is banished’.

[@turdavio1517]

MTG Player here. Block Dragon reminded me a lot of Hogaak, who was a menace while he was legal.

[@qedsoku849]

Some issues with waking the dragon would be that it doesn't go off half the time in a game where card advantage is extremely important, it's dead going second, it's not enough to win the game on its own, and it can be negated if your opponent made a negate first or has ash blossom.

[@segajennis]

Change of Heart doesn't see play because it's a card that's best going second and modern decks mostly focus on going first. Fishborg Harpooner makes Coelacanth a bit easier to summon but it's still not the easiest to search which is why the deck doesn't see much play.

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

Change of Heart doesn't see play because... actually that's total nonsense, Change of Heart is played. It's not something you put into every deck but it's still a great sidedeck card that sees plenty of play competitively.

[@JackHugeman]

It's seeing competitive success right now...

[@JesterQueenAnne]

Change of Heart sees side deck play because it's a good card to have when you know you're going second and there's decks in the meta it's good against. Wouldn't call it a staple and anyone maining it is coping hard because it's not good blinding second, but it does see play.

[@misteral9045]

​@@JesterQueenAnneHaha it's fascinating how you can have a good understanding of this card but you're a dim bulb about pot of greed. Wait, you're just a contrarian. Right or wrong depending on what will get you attention.

[@JesterQueenAnne]

@@misteral9045 Jesus Christ man, get therapy.

[@zealcrux]

Happy y’all are back, even though I’ve not played since PSV, I’ll happily watch what y’all put out!

[@EinManU]

4:12 DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS

[@mageius]

Yay, another Caardmarket Yu-Gi-Oh video. It's been 8 months, so it's so good to see a new one.

[@CaptainB1994]

Yugi/Yami only used Change of Heart once, during his duel against Kaiba during their Battle City Semi-Final duel, in fact Change of Heart was only used 3 times, Bakura used it during his duel with Yami and Noah used it during his duel with Yami and of course the previously aforementioned Battle City Semi-Final duel.

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

It was one of the Bakura's favourite card

[@CaptainB1994]

@@GaybrohamStinkton I remember

[@flockinify]

Yugi used brain control which, in the show, was basically just change of heart with a different name. Not sure why they made him use change on heart in that duel.

[@CaptainB1994]

@@flockinify I don't either.

[@KeshavKrishnan]

@@flockinifyit was to change kaibas heart. Symbolic of how his character changed from that point onwards. He wasn't an antagonist at all from that point forwards

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

cardmarket yugioh is back. i am happy. welcome back! we've been patiently waiting for more cardmarket yugioh content!

[@SpellboundTutor]

Man, seeing Coelacanth in this episode brought me back. During the tail end of the 5Ds era, I made this Fish Synchro deck that used Big Wave Small Wave to get Coelacanth out, utilizing Fishborg Blaster and other fish cards as well as Deep Sea Diva and flanking Coelacanth with Shooting Star Dragon and Red Nova Dragon. Would have likely never gotten far in a YCS, but it won me a locals on 3rd round with time called before the round started. Was definitely one of my happiest Yugioh memories to go second, then just do my Coelacanth combo, reveal 3 tuners off Shooting Star, and OTK. But I definitely understand that it would never ever work in today's Yugioh.

[@sethzard]

Welcome back! I’ll miss Adam but I’m sure this new host will be great!

[@cooperross9495]

I'm always happy to see another one of these. As a Magic player, though a very amateurish one, I got them all right, though that was mostly just because I'd watched the previous videos.

[@DecayedPony]

Don't play any of these card games, but I enjoy x card gamer rates y cards videos and i dont even know why.

[@misteral9045]

You get to watch someone think really hard on the fly, because they're very different battle card games, but they're still both battle card games.

[@Sarven3891]

It was very refreshing to see this series return, and congrats on hiring the new host. I hope they enjoy their time on this channel.

[@jochembeijer5823]

I disagree with with the first 2 cards. Change of Heart is a staple, you didn't tell that you can Link/XYZ or Link summon with your opponents monster. Phoenix is a stinker, I mean it can only destroy 1 trap/spell at the cost of 1 card from your hand. Only decks that benefit from it are a few specific decks

[@tonibufu6103]

Superacient Deepsea King Coelacanth can be good in fish deck, if you build way to special summon it from hand, deck, grave, or banish, in that fish deck. In these days, most players special summon monsters, that are level 5 or higher, one way or other.

[@baileydombroskie3046]

Hell ya!! It’s time for another vid of non-yugioh players guesstimating the power lvs of yugioh cards!!! I love when a new 1 is posted! Time to watch it now lol. Edit: u know u like these kinds of vids when theres multiple channels that do them and u get them mixed up til u start watching. I read the title and b4 even finishing I got excited and clicked. Lol. I didn’t even realize this was the cardmarket channel til this 0:28 far into the vid. Lol

[@wyomingptt]

We got some Gandalf/Frodo energy going on here

[@EgoChip]

Block Dragon in Duel Links was one of my favourite decks.

[@Fox_RZK]

The pronunciation of Coelacanth is, for whatever reason, "SEE-la-canth". We've all pronounced it wrong the first time we saw the word.

[@Kreayx]

Adam left big shoes to fill, but you did good :)

[@FlareBlossom]

oh he left the channel? why?

[@ArcaneVision]

I'm glad this is back! Hope to see more of what you've got cooking!

[@thunder_bug_1451]

The way I see waking the dragon working best is as a sideboard card in a best of three where you are playing an archetype that already uses a couple traps. In game 2 your opponent might decide to go for gold and blow up your trap since you used one in game one, and then you get this effect, and then in game three they have to be more hesitant with whether or not they blow up the trap, especially if you have one of each on the field.

[@MisterProKoko73]

I don’t even watch magic but man I love this guy. He’s so awesome.

[@sineupp]

I'm not keeping up with the competitive side of YGO, so CoH could be seeing no play currently. either way this was a really enjoyable video. glad the channel is still going.

[@aaa1e2r3]

Nice to see the channel is back.

[@YukiFubuki.]

i like how chill the new host is

[@Zweedish9]

I'm so glad this channel is back!

[@lightningwaitforitakash]

Hey you guys are back..!!! But but, where is adam?

[@bigfriki]

He's gone, unfortunately. But in his place we got Taylor! :D

[@Raithul]

I think Change of Heart probably errs closer to staple than stinker, but I see the vision. I think the thing to note most about Change of Heart is that it does nothing if you go first, which pretty much automatically relegates it to "side-deck card", and then it's competing with other dedicated go-second cards like Evenly Matched. Obviously, also worth mentioning Talents being "better CoH" (once it's online), by virtue of both being non-targeting, and being able to do stuff turn 1.

[@dr.balance3377]

i like this fella. welcome back cardmarker

[@DracaNova]

9:22 I remember this card was meta for awhile, can't say it was never good. I remember playing against this many times, it was in a frog deck i think.

[@EarthSpirit.easyzdota]

Leoni and adam coming round? Glad you guys came into resurrect the channnel

[@luisvega2105]

Holy carp you guys are back???? That's so awesome what happened ? I hope all is well with everyone

[@dungeonpastor]

What happened to the old hosts?

[@ReuInuzuka]

I like how he is focused on sacrificing 2 monsters as if that is some tremendous cost 😂

[@JesperoTV]

I like this new guy! He is very good at explaining stuff, and he seems like he has great potential as a presenter on the channel :D (Don't know if you're the one who runs the channel, but if so, hi!)

[@Tigantic]

I think another good way to describe the Extra Deck would be Companions on release (pre nerf)

[@Bigd2k]

Welcome back. We’ve missed you

[@animapoopyxd4995]

RETURN OF THE KING I missed you guys sobbb

[@WheelerItachi]

i love these videos please do them more often

[@morganleach2498]

I'd like to start by saying 2 things. First, I love your channel and your team. You all do fantastic work! Second, I'm woefully American and have never met a Thoralf before. My question is this. Ive heard you called Thoralf and Toffle. Is it like Michael and Mike where one is just a nickname for another?

[@bearbaerbraeoso2488]

Coelocanth is actually really viable in Ghoti. Paces is a free way to get it out and also you can just abyss keeper it onto the field.

[@loganmills8631]

Glad this channel is back!

[@ThePlagueHive]

I *love* Staple or Stinker! Still waiting for the day you do one with Flesh and Blood!

[@newbiesama]

10:26 "cannot be destroyed except by batle. THis is useless" O boy

[@VORTEX___]

change of heart is a great side deck card right now to take apollousa. some decks like tenpai even main it. the reason why its not in most main decks is that is a going second card only so if you draw it game 1 going first, you handlooped yourself for one.

[@dogsachu]

people talking about change of heart but can we talk about how this man is a synchro fish denier

[@Mechason2106]

They’re back!!!!

[@victhefoxygamer]

BABE, WAKE UP NEW CARDMARKET-YUGIOH UPLOAD!

[@Bob_Bobinson]

They are back!

[@SpicyTrifongo]

Had no clue Ole Gunnar Solskjær was a MTG guy.

[@FizzleIsGaming]

this is the only yugioh channel i watch. i missed this place.

[@The_Sharktocrab]

This video highlights to me how much more complicated yugioh is than magic

[@nimbleline]

I play traptrix so "you have to set traps during your turn and then you can play them starting in your opponent's turn" feels so wrong to hear since I'm always activating traps on my first turn, setting them on my opponent's turn, etc etc

[@berserkangel2282]

Change of heart is arguably one of the best board breakers in the game, especially after baronne getting banned.

[@uzelac1372]

Holy shit they are back! Hope they are here to stay this time...

[@MrMarnel]

We're so back!

[@Gamemyster1991]

Block dragon came out in 2017 And it was only played in a deck that didnt top any events in adamancipators(as the world shut down) but they murdered the deck with the block drsgon hit

[@waiyon1951]

yeah i feel like they should change the staple name tag, since staple means the card is so good it see play in anything, Block dragon is a banned card but it's so far removed as being a staple card since it only works with rock monsters.

[@senseisawk]

Change of heart is limited 1 in tgc and at 2 in master duel wtf are you talking about? Knightmare phoenix is the 26th most popular card in masterduel

[@omegavulture8379]

Interesting to hear that yu-gi-oh! Also has a hexproof/ward problem to some extent.

[@mordsven]

Please do more of these vids...

[@themorellonomicon2757]

Hold up! We call that a Threaten effect? Everybody knows that effect is an Act of Treason!

[@MineteInc]

Glad to see you guys back

[@CaptainMarvel4Ever]

Let me just say sir, I love your energy, and I look forward to seeing you as the host. You seem much more energetic than Adam, who was a great guy don't get me wrong, but a more peppy and engaged host was sorely needed. With that out of the way I have to agree with everyone in the comments on Change of Heart competitively and its use in the anime. Beyond that though, Super Deep Sea King Coelacanth was played in a few formats during the Synchro and Xyz eras as a competitive card. It may not be in any Fish deck now, but I think you need to re-evaluate how you judge these cards. The Magic game on the other channel just went on general use case or historic value rather than a narrow margin of currently competitive. Nothing wrong was stated, but it feels like there could have been better choices. So in other words, you owe Thoralf an apology! but in al seriousness this was a fun introduction, and I think you're gonna do great. I'll start catchin up on vids.

[@TKDragon75]

As a Shark player, I tried to make Coelecanth work believe me. But it's just kinda hard to get out to make the effect worth it. Also its (see-lo-canth). I am the only yugioh player I know or watch on youtube, that knows how to say it right.

[@grunkus5787]

Thought I unsubscribed because I thought the channel was dead. Glad I apparently forgot to. Welcome back!

[@Datuna-vw3un]

Why would you unsub dead channel though? It is not like you'd get notifications from there anyway.

[@grunkus5787]

@@Datuna-vw3un Yeah, I just go through and clean up my subs sometimes. It doesn't really matter, but I just do.

[@IsThatTheHolyCow]

bro has not seen the shenanigans that lukevonkarma subs pull off with superancient deep sea

[@jamv6572]

We are so back in the biggest way

[@crocworks]

I feel like there should be 3 categories: staple, stinker, or side. Change of Heart definitely sees side deck action if you're going 2nd.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Staple or Stinker let’s go!!!

[@widchaponjearaphunt5452]

is phonix still stable after SP little release? I dont know about TCG, but I rarly see in MD

[@ratman505]

Next expansion they bring ULTRAancient Fishy Boy you can't pronounce, which is the same except it's a Link monster

[@SPYRALQuikFix]

Where have you been?

[@edopana5672]

I don't know, I feel like these cards weren't the right choices: -Change of Heart is defenetely not a stinker, but many people already told that. -Knightmare phoenix wasn't played in the last years, mostly after the release of Little Knight. It's played in Snake-Eye right now only for one of the otk lines with Zealantis. -Block Dragon and Coelacanth are cards that to be evaluated requires you to know the pool of rock and fish monsters. Like you said Block Dragon wasn't even played in the beginning.

[@mechamedeamigo3984]

Change of Heart maybe not a staple, but it's definetly not a stinker. It's still a good going second card, you either get a free something or forces an opponent interaction.

[@maxneros7467]

My favorite type of video ❤️

[@Christalwing]

3/5 is pretty good for a Magic player. that is a passing grade so well done Thoralf. I totally understand him getting Phoenix and Coelacanth wrong, those were tricky cards to evaluate. The change of heart tho i would definitely give to him cause it doesn't seem fair calling a card bad just because there are better versions of it, especially for a card that was banned for the longest time. Like you wouldn't call Knightmare Phoenix a bad card cause S:P little knight exists, you know.

[@misteral9045]

"Many cards now have protection against this and also there are other cards that do the same thing but better." Yes, technically change of heart isn't a bad effect, it's just outclassed.

[@Christalwing]

@@misteral9045 Change of heart is a good card, there's just better cards that do the same thing as it. Snatch steal is a good example

[@misteral9045]

@@Christalwing Because deck slots are limited, if a card is outclassed, then it's bad. Bad cards can exist in the ED easier because they're always available, but still the slots are limited.

[@Christalwing]

@@misteral9045 completely disregarding the times change of heart has been good. A staple in Goat format, has been banned for a long ass time, and is still used in decks to this day.

[@misteral9045]

@@Christalwing Yes, because it's not relevant to the current discussion. We're talking about Standard, not Goat (which is a much slower format, go figure), and Yu-Gi-Oh as a card game bans worse versions of other cards because of the toxic negate/hand trap cycle (other card games have this problem too but most cards are free in Yu-Gi-Oh). The sideboard evolution is just a lesser version of the toxic cycle because they can't get you this game but they will the next.

[@hecatrice2064]

He looks like Asmongold if he took care of himself

[@Vuohenmor]

Doesn’t Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth see a splash in many fish decks that can cheat it into play like Ghoti?

[@ssjEasterBunny]

This series always picks a bunch of very middle-of-the-road cards that *do* see current play, and then expect someone to say they're great or terrible. The host's verdict is wrong half the time, so I always have to just come to my own verdict instead.

[@danprince3456]

Sorry, WHAT?? Change of heart, which is actual meta?

[@YukiFubuki.]

the logic that traps are slow and thus practically never used is such a trap itself, its precisely because traps is hardly used that when someone does set a spell/trap facedown its noteworthy because it means theyre either bluffing or its just that powerful of a card they risk using it

[@waiyon1951]

to be fair this really only counts for generic non archetypal traps that has to be set to be used. good archetypal traps that can be search still definitely see play depending on decks

[@hallyuniverse]

Traps are heavily used, they're just rarely main-decked because the game is much faster. You only really main deck a trap card if it's in-archetype and searchable (so you only need 1 copy so you're less likely to draw it if you go 2nd game 1), or it has applications going 1st and 2nd (Imperm, Black Goat, Transaction Rollback, basically any trap that can be used from the hand/the turn it's set/has a GY effect). 90% of side decks have trap cards in them for going first.

[@yunfanji]

The only reason is that because the game is rng, it is harder to get into the control/grind state of the game for decks with trap cards. Unlike combo decks, there aren't many tools to reach ideal setups so there is no reason anymore for the old 20/10/10. That's why Lab is one of the strongest trap decks, it has an engine that facilitates reaching that state and the liberty to do some combo plays. Independently of Lab, trap cards are strong, just not reliable. In fact, one of the best ways to force through SE going 2nd is to set 5. Traps became bad when the meta is to sit on 3+ omninegates and board wipe. While I hate the current business model, I have to say we don't see too much of that nowadays.

[@Flash33c]

Friendly suggestion for this series: going forward you should include a disclaimer indicating when it was filmed so the people watching can temper their expectations if that makes sense.

[@DJelNukaAdicto]

Were u been guys .. 😢

[@newbiesama]

26:26 except it hasn't been played for 4 years at least

[@jondo7680]

"There is no link 0 sadly" As if link summoning didn't already turn the game into madness lol.