Carl R. Trueman on The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self

[@clemfarley7257]

Wonderful, comprehensive, intelligent book. He does such a terrific job at such a high level with great thinkers. He makes it so easy to understand the intellectual history and why we’re here. Masterful.

[@renatojohnsson5548]

This has 3.4 k views now. In a better world it would have 3.4 million views...

[@lesliecunliffe4450]

Much of this discussion can be summarised by this quote from Wittgenstein: 'it's practice that gives words their sense.'

[@johntobey1558]

Interesting hearing Church Historians and Theologians opinion ing about Clinical Psychology amd Sociology. Well done.

[@famfamfam5782]

Gotta tee up this lecture for later, just read an essay by Trueman in "The American Mind", a place usually full of the most predictable idiocy (I'm a lefty), but this guy's essay: i didn't agree w his conclusions of course, but wow it's tough to find anyone anywhere who can synthesize such varied info and make surprising points

[@frankh.5378]

Please explain... otherwise your comment will be a typical leftist reply without logical reasoning but rather just shouting profanity.

[@famfamfam5782]

@@frankh.5378 how was my reply shouting profanity? And believe me that sounds like any maga or qanon chud also. There are angry loons everywhere on all sides and that is really the only division that counts:those who realize that and those who don’t. As to yr question, sorry to say it’s been so long I can’t remember what about his essay drew me to find a KZbin vid of his. I thank you, you’ve reminded me of this, I will try to listen to it today

[@clemfarley7257]

Fam. I think it was your gratuitous and alienating comment, predictable idiocy. Yes, there are crazy people on “each side,” whatever that might mean. And yes, that’s a good thing to recognize. But you and the rest here apparently want to go a bit deeper, to see what’s really going on, to correct our misunderstandings, and to make better, more respectful decisions. Thinkers should make all of us pause.

[@TheRootedWord]

31:00 What you are describing as your take on Marx is counter-Protestant (sinful nature concept), but it is in line with the state of human beings in the way they were created. Remember they did not have the knowledge of good and evil and therefore there was no inherent knowledge of ways internally, either good or evil. In that sense, humans indeed do not have a moral bearing within themselves. And indeed, we must derive that moral bearing from our relationship with the source and meaning of morality, God himself.

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

I began Trueman's book and had to return it to the library unfinished. This discussion has been very frustrating! Perhaps when I get the book back in my hands, I will find a different focus in the book that addresses these frustrations. 1) The focus on LBGTQ seems to validate feelings as "proof" that all sex is equally desirable for a society. 2) While ALL people, including Christians, must meet other humans with love, the social definition of love has mutated to - "love requires agreement/approval." 3) The long-term impact of adult sexual values and behaviors as currently promoted has serious negative effects for children. 4) We have elevated the academic and political and emotional as "rationality" that trumps the general population and religious rationality. 5) Social methods of "enforcing" beliefs about sex (news/media/entertainment) are targeting young people who have few historical/cultural points of reference. I will finish the book when it is available again. Until then...yikes!

[@frankh.5378]

First read the entire book before you criticize thinking you understand him.

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

Firstly, you misrepresent my comment. Read it again more carefully. Secondly, and most importantly, KZbin presentations must stand on their own. There are many who live on KZbin and do not read. It is essential for ANY person doing such a KZbin presentation to give a clear message within that one program. Lastly, I did not criticize the book. I critiqued the KZbin presentation. @@frankh.5378

[@lesliecunliffe4450]

'Intuition needs tuition.' Ben Shahn

[@lesliecunliffe4450]

The body isn't an optional extra; we have embodied and embedded minds. There is no other way to be human.

[@frankh.5378]

We Christians have a mandate to spread the gospel and love our enemies. But is it our role to think of why Sodom and Gomorrah became that way and try to convert it? Similarly, Judges 19 on why it became that way? Aguging certainly will not and not sure if contemplating helps.

[@stephaniero9822]

We are called to know the times in which we live, and to love the Lord with all our mind- as well had body and soul. The people parish for lack of knowledge. We’d all do better if we contemplated more. I’m thankful for this man and how God gifted him with an intellect greater than my own to help others understand. To God be the glory.

[@danielsell7598]

Socks?

[@GrahamDickins]

Union Jack!

[@CornellD.Cavendish]

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