The Triumph of the Modern Self: A Conversation with Theologian Carl Trueman

[@vincentboucher9621]

Thank you Albert for this episode! Your podcast is amazing!

[@jakeepler5218]

I just read Trueman’s book earlier this year. It is excellent. It really changed my thinking on everything that’s happening in the culture today. Highly recommended.

[@kylevantine1536]

Thanks for making this important discussion available on KZbin.

[@johntobey1558]

I am a Clinical counselor who approaches my profession from a uniquely Evangelical Christian perspective. I look forward to reading Dr.Trueman's book.

[@lykagonzales4152]

God bless you. I think there really are just a few of you that do so.

[@petermathieson5692]

... a rival message, which has the extraordinary benefit of being true. So well put!

[@petermathieson5692]

Albert Mohler; a recent and very welcome discovery for me ( and, I suspect, other Christians trying to find our way back home).

[@saxoncelt9823]

There’s so much thought provoking reasoning here that I will have to view again to totally digest it!

[@michael57603]

About 10% of the way through Trueman's book. So far it's excellent. Somehow I never thought about the underpinnings of the substantial LGBTQ movement in recent times. And how this relates to the parallel movement towards the 'psychological self' (e.g. I feel I am a female although biologically I am male). Society, and it's institutions have capitulated to this movement without understanding where it may lead- e.g. legislating language because it can hurt someone's feelings. This is a very dangerous movement. It may also explain why more people do not believe objective fact anymore (because their individual feeling is what counts). His book should be a must read for legislators all over the world, and for anyone to understand the evolution of 'self' and where it could lead.

[@doctrines]

I need to read the book! Wow!

[@felipediazcristianismo]

Excellent conversation

[@k.c.6464]

Asking for prayers for my husband, James. He's a Christian, a street preacher and he loves God, however lately he has been struggling as he has stage 3 kidney disease and is often finding himself mad at God lately. Please pray-thank you!

[@judithjohnson5055]

How is your husband?

[@HearGodsWord]

Carl Turman's book is must read

[@kylevantine1536]

I didn't realize that the podcast is also on video on KZbin. Just subscribed to the channel!

[@DanSme1]

The ontological definition of 'self' is the "hinge upon which all turns" (Luther)...Genesis 2:7. The road back to sanity demands Christians wrestle with the metaphysics of TIME so that the Church can present a plausible historical reconciliation of Genesis One with Einstein's discoveries of modern Physics.

[@JosephAJester]

Make their life good, so they are more attached to life and its harder for them to let go of it when the time comes for that.

[@JosephAJester]

Peace is boring, trouble is fun. You'll be having fun when your health and finances and relationships and life are in troublesome danger. Teach them by example to put people's lives in jeopardy for fun so more people are doing that and the chances of someone doing it to you are raised and higher. When that happens cry to the commercial, that tells you that you deserve good things to get you to give them your paycheck, that you don't deserve it. They'll come and rescue you from life. Trouble making open minded celebrities will come to save you from it.

[@tannykeeler9728]

Please define what you mean by ‘natural law’

[@JosephAJester]

I started going against society full blast in 5th grade and now I'm 40something and don't know a whole lot, or one could say, even a little bit about how to operate things in the physical world. I don't even know how to drive a car, or write out checks, or how to do most of the ordinary things people do during their daily travels, regiments, and routines. I dropped out of school and lost track of time and don't even know my exact age.

[@JosephAJester]

A bible verse that stood out and appealed to me, as far as I can remember, the first time I noticed it, was, "Look at the bird of the air. He neither sows nor stores."

[@JosephAJester]

I’m Like a Bird Song by Nelly Furtado You're beautiful, that's for sure You'll never, ever fade You're lovely, but it's not for sure That I won't ever change And though my love is rare And though my love is true I'm like a bird, I only fly away I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is All I need for you to know is- Your faith in me brings me to tears Even after all these years end And it pains me so much to tell that you don't know me that well And though my love is rare Though my love is true I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away (fly away) I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is- It's not that I wanna say goodbye It's just that every time you try To tell me, me that you love me, oh Each and every single day I know I'm gonna have to eventually give you away And though my love is rare, rare, rare And though my love is true, yeah I am just scared that we may fall through Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I'm like a bird (I'm like a bird) I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away (fly away) I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home And baby, all I need for you to know is I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is I'm like a bird, I'll only fly away I don't know where my soul is (soul is) I don't know where my home is And baby, all I need for you to know is... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKCzgpKDaN59iqM

[@JosephAJester]

Tyrants, dictators and despots hate religion. They want no competition from God for men's hearts. They want people following them, not god. Tyrants, dictators and despots hate tradition. They want humanity loyal to them and their estate, white house, and state, not to the past and their ancient ancestors and forefathers and families. They want them to move past that and to under their control and culture and rule and thought and have their way of thinking.

[@JosephAJester]

I'm pretty sure I don't follow any traditions. But I don't desire to lord over you and make you like me and do what I do and live how I live.

[@JosephAJester]

My words, "Only my words are true," aren't true, they are false, so they don't exist, you're not reading them right now. Words exist, so they are true and man made. My words, "Only my words are true," are not true, so they are not man made.

[@JosephAJester]

They're hope is in this world, not in death. So they won't fight for this world, because fighting will lead them to death.

[@JosephAJester]

"Take me up, cast me away" is the inscription often found on King Arthur's technology, his sword Excalibur.

[@JosephAJester]

DNA is a double coil, and RNA is a single coil. The Rod of Asclepius is an ancient symbol that had a single serpent-entwined about it, and the caduceus wand is an ancient symbol with two serpents twined around it.

[@MrAntiOrdinary]

I may not be smart enough to keep up with this conversation at points... so I'm happy if someone can correct me. But around minute 24 to minute 28, the importance of natural law was brought up. Didn't they also defeat the importance of it by explaining how much more pervasive "instrumentalist thinking" has become?

[@jankragt7789]

avcostello1 is correct. The Catholic understanding of natural law is here critically noted as being unable to contend with today's challenges, especially since a belief in God. however vague, can in no way be assumed as it essentially must be for a natural law understanding. (so I heard, & do believe myself) They seem to agree that Nietzsche was right. Without God there is no basis on which to build an understanding of natural law except each her/his/its own desires. Furthermore, they both seem to agree that it's CHRISTIANS who have a crying need to reflect on natural law as the background reality, the preconceptions, upon which the Scripture is built. An understanding of basic natural law is needed in order to see and dialogue about the grounding of their faith, a ground that is progressively disappearing in the culture around them.

[@robreich6881]

@avcostello1 The image of a Soviet prosecutor invoking the Catholic tradition of natural law really gave me a chuckle. Nuremberg was about the “law of the victors”, not natural law.

[@robreich6881]

@avcostello1 Natural law wasn’t why Nuremberg happened. It had literally nothing to do with the outcome of the trial or it’s occurrence. Whether natural law has intellectual merit is not relevant to this reality.

[@enzo17tilleria]

In Spanish?

[@petermathieson5692]

Christianity is the implacable foe. Thank God! To stand against materialist atheism, wokeness and moral relativism, that is what's needed, desperately.

[@JosephAJester]

If I don't drink from the same cup that a Samaritan drank from, am I dehumanizing them?

[@JosephAJester]

Then came his disciples, and said him, "Do you know that what you said offended the guides?" But he answered and said, "Let them alone; they're blind guides."

[@JosephAJester]

"I voted" is a sentence that doesn't make sense in 2023 to the tribe living in the rainforest.

[@JosephAJester]

They haven't reached the stone age yet and it doesn't take a billion years for one of them to learn how to work a machine on an assembly line. They go from a common ancestor brain to a modern mind with a little bit of training.

[@JosephAJester]

Is the self a person, just a concept, not a human?

[@JosephAJester]

Is the self that is outside of a social context, in my mind, outside of time, timeless, without beginning or an ending time, everlasting?

[@JosephAJester]

Are you headed toward logic, to something that's just in our head? The future isn't a living being, it's dead, head to the dead.

[@JosephAJester]

Is hate truth, and you are trying to get rid of truth? Is hate a lie, not the truth, not real?

[@JosephAJester]

Are the things you don't want in your life delusions and not really there, or reality, and you don't want reality, or is a delusion reality and not a school?

[@JosephAJester]

He said think before you speak. I said, "Have faith before you speak, that what you thought, and the way you thought, and why you thought before you spoke was realistic and not thoughtistic."

[@JosephAJester]

If thinking before you speak, and not faithing before you speak, is wise, then thinking is wise, and not speaking, and thus speaking is not wise. Speaking isn't thinking, it's faith. Correct math is dead, not alive, wise. Thoughts are not alive, they're dead, unwise. Thinking isn't a living being, so it's dead, dumb, unable to understand or make out, or produce, a sensible phrase.

[@JosephAJester]

You don't a priest, another man instructing you. Don't follow a book. Learn from experience, eat a berry and if its poison it will kill you and then you'll know from experience not eat that berry again.

[@JosephAJester]

What I'm saying isn't true, it's everlasting life. What I'm saying isn't right, it's wrong, it's a mind before time.

[@JosephAJester]

What I'm saying isn't right, it's the wrong thing, the intellect before time. What I'm saying isn't reality, it's false, the wrath of god.

[@JosephAJester]

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[@JosephAJester]

The dead can't resist. So what is resisting you so that all your dreams don't come true? I, the living, am, without even touching you.

[@JosephAJester]

Numbers aren't alive. Chemicals are math, dead, not myths, alive, right? Living, not dying, is the answer, right? Actions aren't creatures. Thus they are not the living, the answer. Money is dead, not alive. Is dead the answer to your problems? Money isn't intellect. Is the unintelligent the answer to your life, to your problem?

[@JosephAJester]

Intellect isn't a living being, it's dead. Are you going to rely on the dead for your answers?

[@JosephAJester]

If the eardrum and ear is what makes you hear, well, a corpse has an eardrum and ear. Can a corpse hear me?

[@JosephAJester]

Don't you want your life and body and health and finances in the care and hands of those who think disorganized things are good and organized religion is bad? Don't you want your doctor and nurses to get a kick out of chaos? Don't you want to talk to a doctor who is dodgy and can't answer you straight up but must throw you off when you ask them a question? Unreliable lying dark morbid death and chaos and thrill seekers should handle your body and money. Don't you want people who see normal as boring responsible for making your health normal? You put people who think regular is dull and abnormal is fun in charge of your cash and business and relationships and making them work out regularly? Building people up is corny, tear downs like in a sitcom is awesome, sanity, not a recipe for disaster, egomania, nervousness, and hopelessness. Building people up is soft, you're tough, tear them down and be tore down, its thrilling, not insane mundane sickness. They're tough and cocky until the time strikes, when it does finally strike, you'll see the results of adopting a mind set of ripping things down instead of one that is not given new life and revitalized by a bashing contest. The whole theory rests on a ridiculous confusion by which it is supposed that certain primary principles or relations will become interesting when they are damaged, but are bound to be depressing when they are intact. - GK Life isn't their plan, they love their plan, death, not life. They don't understand the seriousness of the situation. when you die, is that you going to fairy world, or to a game, or to something serious, like reality.

[@JosephAJester]

Fairies don't exist, when you die are you going to not exist, are you going to become a fairy?

[@JosephAJester]

If hell doesn't exist, then a person in hell doesn't exist, and if when you die you don't exist, then when you die you'll be a person in hell, a person that doesn't exist.

[@JosephAJester]

Chaos is fun, order is boring, keep tearing up your plans and goals and rearranging them and uprooting them so no order starts where the second plan comes after the first, in that order. My words aren't life, they're death, a game.

[@JosephAJester]

Farmers who wait for the right conditions never plant. If they watch every cloud, they never harvest. - Ecclesiastes 11:4-6

[@ConservativeNY]

Natural law = XX, XY

[@JosephAJester]

My God is sin, the greatest God.

[@JosephAJester]

My name is Josith.

[@JosephAJester]

My belief is not outside of me, separate from me; I am belief.

[@JosephAJester]

I am not wisdom, I am mystery.

[@JosephAJester]

Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I will go and wake him up. - Jesus

[@JosephAJester]

I am not time, I am eternity.

[@JosephAJester]

The number 1 is 0, it's zero 2's and 3's.

[@JosephAJester]

The number 1 isn't 3, it's zero 3's, so 1 is 0.

[@JosephAJester]

My God was made sin.

[@JosephAJester]

3 is one 3, so 3 is 1.