Attack on Titan 4x10 REACTION! | "A Sound Argument"

[@sonadowfangirl30869]

Eren laughed hysterically when Hannes died because he broke down, Eren also laughed when Sasha died because her final words reminded him of a funny memory he had of her, which is when she stole meat from the senior officers. So you're right to compare the two moments together as Eren was laughing, but never at how these two people that were dear to him died.

[@marcusgaius]

They both died by coming to Eren's aid.

[@choox708]

Spoiler..... Or maybe coz he sees this before and confirm his future sight... and its a weird laugh becoz its Sasha afterall

[@octaopgaming7883]

@@choox708 this is the truth The memory seen was just a distraction by isiyama

[@theoldestdream27]

@@marcusgaius so many people died for others, what's your point?

[@jaws9116]

@@choox708 *spoilers* maybe, but Eren didn't see the whole future

[@apkaiser96]

You're right to remember Eren's reaction to Hannes' death. He laughed then, and he laughed when Sasha died. He's not laughing at the death. We saw what he was thinking about, which was an endearing moment he shared with her.

[@RyzenShanks]

In the case of Hannes' death, Eren is crying for Hannes' death and laughing at his own self of still being unable to help others while everyone is dying for him.

[@faithjolley6034]

Laughing is actually a really common reaction for people who have gone through extreme amounts of pain. It's a kind of expression of hopelessness and tragedy that the person doesn't want to express through crying, either because of who they're in front of or because of how tired your body is of crying and feeling sad. Happiness and sadness aren't actually opposite emotions, crying and laughing are both intense reactions to intense emotions and it only takes a comparatively small hormone shift to go from happy to sad as opposed to sadness to indifference.

[@synclaire-5482]

@@faithjolley6034 yeah, i can't understand why a lot of ppl didn't get it

[@littlebluefishy]

It’s like ‘don’t cry because they are gone, smile because they existed’

[@JesusofUncool]

Hange “cool hair eren” Eren “im not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me”

[@kyroking9934]

💀

[@brindillebob]

Nice Rorschach reference.

[@22I22]

cool locks eren

[@Mitsu2040]

love the energy!

[@vantae2073]

I'm so impressed with Ange's character analysis of eren. At this point some people would generally be kinda against eren but Ange's really digging deep into eren's character instead of seeing things on surface level

[@joen4287]

That's what im sayingggg

[@joen4287]

@@jrlombardi5251 add an edit after u watch the vid :) Love to see ur reaction too 😂

[@joen4287]

@@jrlombardi5251 yess, since we aren't into the season more I think he'll notice that in the further episodes, if you know what u mean..... Also they're pretty quick catching on things, never me lol

[@joen4287]

@@jrlombardi5251 yeah, they should know AoT is not the type of anime that we can have conversations in the middle But we can't help it lol

[@Dark__Thoughts]

Yet he still didn't see what Eren was turning into and what the show prepared him to become since season 1.

[@Stefip]

Mikasa's wrist wrap wasn't present in the anime, but it's always been visible in the manga (when we see her wrists at least, she usually wears the uniform with the long sleeves). Isayama has always played the long game. Also in the manga we see her mum tattoo something on her wrist very early on, while in the anime they changed it to embroidery

[@nilexinator5901]

it is a useless plotline anyway which doesnt lead up to something. so its unimportant

[@Stefip]

@@nilexinator5901 True, more of a fun fact really

[@val5889]

​@@nilexinator5901 how is it a useless plot line? She's the main reason the azumabito helped Paradis lol

[@nilexinator5901]

@@val5889 you couldve said they were in it for the money since they were struggling. no useless queen mikasa

[@Mimi_1988]

Mikasas wrist wrap is very important **spoiler ** as it's in the final pages of the ending

[@mcdcrss43]

BINGO!!! Eren's LAUGHING is the SAME with Hannes. He was laughing because he's SO ANGRY AT HIMSELF, NOT BEING ABLE TO SAVE the people he cares about, even with his powers.

[@fahrenheit2101]

Well, I'd say Sasha's one seemed more like reminiscence to me, but there was definitely some anger mixed in there too.

[@fujoshidianxia]

BINGO!!! yes!!! Couldn't have said it better myself!

[@bxllisticbeats]

Someone told me that Eren was speaking respectful Japanese when he was yelling at Hange. He really wanted to know if there was another way.

[@violetsky1285]

Not a respectful body languages though😅 also that could be just him calling Eren Hange..Hange-San. Which he has always done. Him and the others.

[@mrflakey6163]

I think it's in a sarcastic way like: "OH TELL ME MISS HANGE PLEASE WHAT IS YOUR PLAN"

[@bruhmingo]

@@violetsky1285 it wasn’t just the use of “San”. Formal Japanese is used through its entire sentence structure, which Eren was using. For those who understand Japanese, Eren was sincerely pleading for another way, though his anger and frustration are seen in his body language.

[@bruhmingo]

@@mrflakey6163 the translations make it seem sarcastic or malevolent, but in Japanese he is truly being sincere.

[@ohboi9578]

@@violetsky1285 no, but it’s from his frustration and desperation so it would make sense

[@neos5432]

Eren also laughed when hannes died, for him its a way to cope with whats going on, he is laughing at himself for being "useless"

[@Cripplified]

Eren is who he's always been. "To you, 2000 years from now" "From you, 2000 years ago" When you see the story from it's full picture, it's such a poetic narrative.

[@xTrayDoggx]

At 8:13 when Zeke is showing them the ODM gear and talking about the iceburst fuel, that was Miche’s gear from Season 2

[@ondank]

Jean used to have a crush on Mikasa. And its really telling that the second she says that she will take the titan, Jean is like " Yeah no" with reasons, without even a pause. Almost like he has been preparing for what to say to her when she inevitably tries to be the successor.

[@lolitsZana]

Eren also kinda laughed when he watched Hannes die. I think it was supposed to be somewhat similar, a laugh that transitions into a breakdown.

[@AllMightSage]

a hysterical laugh

[@rodrigovaccari7547]

Came here to write this. It's a coping mechanism. With Hannes he breaks down completely and with Sasha we see his frustration right after laughing, grinding his teeth.

[@RyzenShanks]

In the case of Hannes' death, Eren is crying for Hannes' death while laughing at his own self pity of still being unable to help others while everyone is dying for him.

[@ohboi9578]

SPOILER It’s also him accepting that the future he saw was all real. Asking Mikasa how she felt in 4x28 was his other attempt.

[@hitman-4742]

Nah y'all are wrong!! The truth is really fucked up man!!

[@Chupanebre637]

I always thought Eren was laughing at his own helplessness to save his friends no matter how strong he gets or what he does, personally.

[@mikeyderrick387]

ya agreed

[@LilSpookyyy]

Spoilers I’m pretty sure he laughed at this point in time because he knew he couldn’t change the outcome of the future and sashas death proved that

[@akmg78]

yaaas

[@Itachi-no5xf]

Exactly.

[@Norbert_Sattler]

The opening scene with Eren telling himself to fight in the mirror really makes me think that Eren hates what he is doing, but believes it to be necessary and thus works hard to convince himself to go through with it. That's what this "tatakau, tatakau" feels like to me. If that's the case it would also explain why he doesn't want to talk with anyone. He might be afraid they could talk him out of it, if he allows them to speak with him for long. In the manga they were careful to never show Mikasa's exposed wrist. In the anime they messed up once, when they came to the ocean, where you clearly seee her wrist and that there was no brand there in that episode. I would not be surprised if Historia chose her "husband" either at random or deliberately because she felt nothing for him. She knows that her children will one day have to eat her (once she ate Zeke - or any titan really - first) and then each other... I wouldn't want to expose anyone to such a fate, much less someone I actually loved.

[@Yokami-sama]

Underrated comment!! I really want to believe that's the case with Eren. But he should've at least put some sense into Floch, that guy is nuts, he could've ended up killing Eren's friends.

[@beamertoy]

That WTF moment with Eren is understandable, after all he's the one being put behind bars by his comrades for the second time after showing he is on their side. And there's nothing Eren hates more than being treated like a caged animal. Such a great end of episode commentary, that was really thought provoking!

[@Cope69]

Very good point. Plus he's literally asking the leader of the scouts if there's any other way. Which there isn't. And people get upset and don't see the point of that scene just because he grabbed her shirt.

[@Andrey0153]

@@Cope69 Fr, people be shrimping and blind to reason

[@r.n.5416]

When he laughed after Sasha's death, i interpretted it to be a call back to Hanes death. Hanes death was one of the hardest ones on him, and I took his laugh during Sasha's death to be a sign that despite how he is acting this season and how much he has changed, that he still cares for them more than anyone else. I laugh at inappropriate times when im really stressed and dont know what to do, and it is not from a place of humor so I understand that reaction.

[@grasstoucher139]

Same goes with me. When I goes through tough time, I'll laugh with tears filling up my eyes. I didn't laugh because it was funny, I laughs at myself on how pathetic I've always been.

[@daryeusford9696]

@لأمير مادرا nah, emos are weird for no reason. Eren has his reasons

[@daryeusford9696]

@لأمير مادرا what’s ur definition of emo?

[@daryeusford9696]

@لأمير مادرا buddy that’s called depression💀

[@stevengn7647]

Notice how Eren tied his hair back in a bun in this episode? Lara Tybur, previous holder of the War Hammer, kept her hair in a bun too.

[@AliElBaba]

@Throwaway Account Eren knows that and i think he would have noticed that he normally never does this. Unlike the other Eren is prepared you know ? I dont know how to describe it better for you but for Eren its just not the same as for someone who didnt know that they inherit their habits with eating their titan.

[@LilSpookyyy]

@Throwaway Account well it kinda explains his open hair look like Freida he literally looks like her

[@22I22]

oh no, will he wipe his ass weirdly if he eats zeke then?

[@i_lick_brownsugar]

@@22I22 🤣🤣🤣

[@Vesacek]

Even if they believed Erens motives didn't change, they might not approve of his methods. "I have murdered countless innocent civilians to protect you" is not something everyone is going to cheer for.

[@scythe9734]

Good point.

[@bonzoluv]

Yeah if you hypothetical did it all for like 4 friends then yeah, although the island people at large were pretty happy about getting to live

[@RyzenShanks]

True! For his friends and for the Eldian people, Eren will be a Hero but a Villain to other people outside the walls. It's the same how the Marleyan warriors were treated as Heroes of the Eldians in Liberio but villain for the Eldians of paradis.

[@theoldestdream27]

It's all matter of perspective

[@Dark__Thoughts]

@@bonzoluv "at large" is big considering they eventually split into a civil war and a strong resistance movement - consisting of Eren's most closest friends.

[@randalabra3852]

I always took the thing with hange and eren as - eren was genuinely asking hange if she had any other ideas, bc he feels desperate and whatever his plan is, he just doesn't know what else he can possibly do otherwise. He gets frustrated with hange goofing around with him and grabs her bc of it, telling her "if you have a better idea, let me hear it"

[@seandun7083]

Just a note, Mikasa's tattoo was what her mom was supposed to be talking about rather than an embroidering method back in 1x6 but it was censored in the anime.

[@jst5280]

The scene with Hange and Eren was mistranslated unfortunately. It wasn't too far off, but the phrasing changes the tone dramatically. The way the subs make it sound, is like Eren's challenging Hange, but the way he's actually speaking to Hange (despite the tone of his voice) is like him pleading with her for an answer other than the one he's going with. Eren is, in that moment, basically begging her, almost like somebody saying, "Please, if you have some other way, some other solution, something that wouldn't lead to more people dying or going with what I'm doing now, you need to tell me or else I'll have to carry on with this one." That isn't literally what he said, but I was hoping that explaining it like that would help with processing what he was pretty much asking her. Something I wanna add to this, is that we tend to only see titan transformations when somebody'a been injured in some way. Eren, obviously, isn't injured or bleeding when he's getting so worked up, but we see lightning starting to erupt from him. Looking back on it, I wonder if that's meant to indicate the amount of pain Eren is in emotionally, and like a subtle way of adding to why he's so angrily pleading with Hange for another way forward.

[@Tyrantofthewind]

It literally makes no difference given his actual ACTIONS are more a threat to Hange than his subtle threat in this episode. Moreover, Eren is the actual reason things are progressing as they are, his line about Hange having a solution he doesn't at this point is meaningless since his attack on Liberio has already given Hange zero good options. Moreover, I think you give Eren more credit than he deserves. He has always been a rage monster, and the lightning scene is merely showing you that part of him is still there.

[@partyfitnessexperience3857]

@@Tyrantofthewind if eren hadn’t did anything, they would’ve declared war on paradis anyway 🤷🏽‍♂️ if you read the manga even hange said she’s sorry for putting eren in the position where he had to make a move because she didn’t have a plan.

[@FuzzyDlop]

@@Tyrantofthewind You misinterpreted Eren more than anyone else i've ever seen. "Rage monster" is the worst possible definition for him. He's putting off a facade to psyche himself out. Which is why Hange sees him talking to himself at that moment: "fight fight". I seriously hope you haven't read the whole manga, because if you did and you misinterpreted the entire character like that then you've misinterpreted the entire story. I've never seen such an incorrect and awful take.

[@Tyrantofthewind]

@@FuzzyDlop I've not only read the entire manga, but have read numerous Isayama interviews talking about Eren. Perhaps you don't just need to read the manga, but to rewatch all of seasons 1-3, where Eren's rage is put on display more times than you were wrong in your last post - which is quite a few times. SPOILERS FOR THE MANGA BELOW: SPOILERS FOR THE MANGA BELOW:SPOILERS FOR THE MANGA BELOW: Eren's rage comes from an inability to realize his desire of freedom - the most important thing to him that underlies ALL his motivations including his belief in a world before he learned humanity was still outside the wall (his actual main motivation) and protecting his friends - because of his knowledge of both the obstacles in the way of his idea of "freedom" and later certainty that he cannot achieve it. Moreover, his realization that he cannot escape his own desires, which largely fuel the path before him. Eren's path of destruction should never have happened because he is an extremely deranged individual that Reiner rightly declared should never hold the power of the "coordinate"

[@vantae2073]

@@Tyrantofthewind I've read both your comments and I think that sums up a part of eren's character. However as in case with the conversation with hange, as I view it, eren pleading hange is more like him taking out his frustration of not being able to find a better way than asking for an answer. Spoilers As I see it, paradis was likely to get destroyed sooner or later..what eren did was delay it's destruction. I don't think there was any better way out of the situation

[@mithrandirpilgrim1419]

So the plan that was presented was: they would test a partial rumbling as a deterrent to keep the world away while they improve their military capabilities, and Historia would have to bear children who would have to eat each other every 13 years - she would eat Zeke, then a child of hers would have to eat her, then her children and their descendants would have to eat each other to keep their control over the Founding (most won't even reach adulthood). That's the gravity of how terrible the position Historia is in, she's literally being caused to raise her children for the slaughter just like livestock. She rescues and supports orphans, but now, both she and her own children would be sacrificed. Eren would have nothing of that. For him, he must save the girl who saved him from getting eaten back then even when he was already willing to accept that demise..

[@Animaster151]

this was mentioned in the episode but in case u didn't fully comprehend it, they didn't turn historia into a breeder, her getting pregnant was her own decision, in fact because of what she did she ruined the military's plans because they were planning on turning her into a titan and making her eat zeke as soon as he got to the island but now they can't do that anymore because of her pregnancy.

[@scythe9734]

Thanks, but is really that hard to understand this part? I thought the show shoved it in our face so much, it's hard not to understand it.

[@Animaster151]

@@scythe9734 yes I know, but ange kept saying "they made historia into a breeder" so I wanted to clarify what really is going on

[@scythe9734]

@@Animaster151 I get it, I wasn't implying that you shouldn't have commented. I was genuinely surprised that alot of people don't get it on the first time. It could be because watching and making a reaction is different from watching it on your own. But still, the guys at the table were very clear about it.

[@jaws9116]

But her choosing to get prengnant by herself isn't revealed yet

[@Animaster151]

@@jaws9116 bruh the MP guys at the table were so obvious about it "The one who approached him was the queen" "Why did she decide to get pregnant at a time like this"

[@shaniapr5]

that Hange scene tends to confuse people in only thinking that Eren was being rude to her i also thought that too but is clearly an act of desesperation is more like Eren begging Hange for another solution so he doesnt have to do what he is planning to. The laughing thing if you remember eveytime Eren has had a metal breakdown he tends to like laugh cry he just handles death like that but Connie doesnt really know that, im surprised that Mikasa and Armin didnt told him cause they have witnessed it many times but i can understand why they would be questioning everything about Eren right now.

[@theodorefigueroa9339]

Oh Ange I adored that ending conversation. ❤️

[@alexinator-hh5fe]

A common theme in this show is having characters get inches away from their goal only to end up getting taken out or unhappy. Erwin is stopped inches away from the finish line. Historia just wanted to live for herself with Ymir. But now the girl who loved her the most is gone, she's pregnant in some grand scheme, and she looks more unhappy than ever. The girl who wants to live for herself is being forced into another role. Japan language difference time. It seems like Eren is simply yelling and getting aggressive with Hange. However, despite his actions, he's actually using really respectful honorifics. He calls Hange, "Hange-San" which shows he still respects their position of power, and he's speaking in a more formal way people in Japan usually use to address their superiors. Which paints the scene in a whole new way if you're familiar with Japanese. Eren isn't getting aggressive because he's unhinged or anything. He seems to be genuinely pleading with Hange to show him another way. Of course, that doesn't justify lifting Hange by the collar and choking them against the bars, that's just wrong. We saw back in Season 1 that Hange used to be angry all the time at the titans, but used curiosity to cope with all the pain and loss. Hiding feelings behind a smile. Over the course of the seasons, we've seen that smile less and less. And now as Commander, the most emotionals we've seen have been sad or frustrated constantly. Poor Hange. Even more sad is Eren and Hange. Seeing how their friendship started off and where it is now. Hange has some big shoes to fill. And the weight of Erwin's legacy is a mighty burden to bear. Side note, the anime actually changed Mikasa's symbol in Season 1. Some people theorized that it's because Japan doesn't like showing children with markings so they censored it. There are a lot of moments from Season 1 that were changed or cut out, which unfortunately takes away the foreshadowing when said moment actually becomes important.

[@heinrichagrippa5681]

I think you guys missed that the volunteers aren't themselves native Marleyans, but rather people from _other_ countries annexed by Marley and then conscripted into their army. For instance, Onyankopon being the only black guy since he's not from Marley. Supporting Eldia establishes an alliance to strike back at Marley, while their main goal is liberating their own countries.

[@moonknight7043]

Laughing and crying are two emotions that can be very similar. I also laugh when I'm sad or broken. Like when my Cat died. I laughed because of the pain and emptiness I felt

[@neos5432]

the wrist wrap was never shown in the anime but in the manga it was clearly shown

[@jessbellis9510]

Yeah they had to replace the original flashback scene with Mikasa in the manga with her mother teaching her embroidery, since tattoos - especially on children - wasn't allowed to be shown on tv in Japan.

[@anny_draws3023]

To all the guys who called Ange a yeagerist - Too early guys, too early

[@amarnath18i41]

Patreon?

[@Darkrider_Adi]

These people only ruin things.. can't even control their excitement🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Luky.73]

Oh nice, im glad

[@AliElBaba]

2:40 Nobody was burned to death there. Armin was just trying to scare them so they would try to escape to the shore by swimming where Levi and and the others could catch them. Our people managed to catch all Marleyans who tried to attack the island so far and if i remember correctly to this point nobody of them got killed.

[@coco-e5s]

Trauma does weird things to people. Some people shutdown, some rage, some grieve... and some people behave in ways that seem really inappropriate, such as laughing. Most of the characters have gone through some hugely traumatic shit. I like that it becomes part of their character arc and isn't just brushed off. Attack on Trauma. PS. The ending to this episode is really well crafted. Recommend watching the last thirty seconds again.

[@LycanFerret]

Can confirm. I watched my pet bird escape from its cage while I was getting it fresh water and I turned to see my cat snatch it from the air in milliseconds. All I could do was stand there and laugh, I bent over howling in laughter, but my whole family looked at me like I was crazy. How was I meant to react to that? My body just started laughing I was in so much shock. I couldn't control it at all.

[@bruhmingo]

Eren was essentially begging hange in the prison cell. Formal Japanese is used through its entire sentence structure, which Eren was using. For those who understand Japanese, Eren was sincerely pleading for another way, though his anger and frustr

[@saswatapaul4184]

When Eren asked Hange if she had some other plan upto her sleeves he ironically meant if there was some other way to escape the future that awaits them

[@PepsT]

I don't know why people find it weird that Eren "laughed"; he's obviously having a breakdown. Traumatizing situations make people react in different ways, or sometimes not react at all. Like you guys said, he had the same reaction with Hannes.

[@Yokami-sama]

ㅤ You really don't know? Say that to Connie and the others. If even his friends didn't understand, why people watching shouldn't find that weird? He's clearly different now, the typical cold type of character that shows no emotion, which makes people understandably angry. But I guess that's what happens when you know too much (coping mechanism maybe?!). So yeah, maybe Eren knew Sasha would die (she's not in his visions of the future?!) and accepted that was the only way (her death being "necessary" for a lot of things to happen), but he couldn't help but feel powerless and angry after hearing she saying "Nico" in her last moments (for not being able to find another path in which she lives).

[@albertanmotorcyclist6419]

@@Yokami-sama did you even watch the show? Laughing at the news of his friends death doesn't show he's changed, it shows that deep down Eren is still the same; he laughed at Hannes death in season 2

[@apkaiser96]

Ange I love your opinion of Eren 😊 I hope you remember the way you feel about him now and see if/how it changes as time goes on

[@vhgdseegames4090]

Bro i will not change my opinion about eren i mean he just want to survive the world is about attack the island they gotta fight back

[@TrampMachine]

You gotta look at what Eren said to Hange and the way he said it.

[@chaserred4155]

Ange: Yelena scares the shit out me. Trust me G you ain't seen shit yet.

[@samuelwallace9060]

Love the reactions, Ange is on top of the character analysis. I also love how Carlie pointed out how inheriting Titans is loved in Marley, and isn't so great in paradise. Y'all make fantastic content!

[@jefplus]

loved? how? the glorification of inheriting a titan in marley is fake. almost everyone knows it. perfect example is pieck and colt. “i inherited the cart to get medical attention for my father” and “i’m already inheriting the beast to protect my brother” until now they have never acknowledged how absolutely awful the lives of eldians are outside the walls of paradis. and what episode is it now? they still seem completely oblivious to this. i think they think that the eldians in marley are just chilling out there

[@faithkim8503]

Ah finally a reactor who tries at least to understand Eren it makes me so happy. I mean who have seen him from season 1 till now and tried to understand him will get that he is by far the most loyal friend for his friends he is even trying to do the dirty work so that they don’t do anything and to protect them! I haven’t read the manga but people keep saying that everyone is gonna hate him as we reach the end of the manga but I don’t think so since I KNOW AND BELIEVE that whatever he’s doing, he went through hell that made him reach that stage! The real Eren is the one we have seen and still see now, and I don’t care about those who hate him we LOVE him

[@LEVl.K9]

Some people laugh or dont demonstrate feelings when dealing with traumatic situations, it's normal and is a way the brain uses to "deal" with the trauma. It happens a lot on funerals and that dont means you are not normal or that you are a psycho, is just the body reacting at his best to cope with some situations. There is also lots of this reactions in dangerous situations for example Levi have no reaction most of the time but it doesn't mean he dont have emotions, hange laughs when she fighted titans in S1, so yeah....humans am I right 😅?

[@wengli3783]

i personally think that laughing like this might be one of his coping mechanism

[@albertorep97]

I think Eren laugh is some sort of way of crying. Like he has so many emotions at that moment that the only weird way to get them out is to make that weird af laugh. Like a "I'm going insane" laugh. Or that's how I view it. Is not that he is actually laughing because he is happy.

[@Degenerick]

Iceburst stone is what marley wanted all along, that and the founding

[@Degenerick]

@@daryeusford9696 yes the iceburst

[@GSUnhinged]

Eren was laughing at the continued hopelessness of his power. He's so incredibly strong, done horrific things to protect his friends, lied to them, traumatized them, all to keep them alive to have eventual freedom. And he was still powerless to save them.

[@xXyukinashiroganeXx]

even when Hannes died, Eren was laughing maniacally. it's sometimes how his grief manifests.

[@owenlabestia762]

The marleyans didn't attack during the 4 years cause they were at war with other nations which we saw during episode 1 and also because the beta titans were also a threat to them to... So ironic how the titans meant to keep the eldians in also kept the marleyans out

[@Genius.E]

17:03 That scene has a lot of subtle details in it. He laughed at Sasha's last words and how typical they were (as did Carlie btw) and the tragic tendency of him not being able to protect the people he cares about. They do show it get to him for a brief second afterwards though. The connection to the Hannes incident was a good callback.

[@Proambler]

I read Eren laughing the same way. He was laughing at that memory of Sasha stealing the meat, in the same spirit we all could share a laugh with friends at a funeral reminiscing about old times with our lost one. But Connie doesn't know what Eren is thinking about in that moment, and they're all thrown for a loop with Eren suddenly deciding to cooperate with Zeke after years of refusing and wanting to find another way.

[@91supernova91]

true about the laugh. he was reminded of the time Hanes got eaten. With all that power now he still once again can not prevent another death of one of his beloved friends.

[@imshubhajit]

That's the same laugh as he did when he saw Hannes die. What Eren's trying to express here without expressing is that - he tried so much still couldn't save the ones he love/care about. It's a coping mechanism for him.

[@vincentchan5397]

Conny got it wrong when sasha died for Eren 's"laughing', Eren is crying and "laugh". Remember ep2x12, Hannes die in front of him, Eren laugh crying as well. People try so hard to change something but failed, you might laugh crying to yourself. Eren is not "laughing", he just laugh to himself and being guilty for what he did.

[@xaviermm5506]

Connie doesn't know Eren as much as Mikasa. When Hannes died, Eren laughed. He felt angry and sad, he didn't know how to react so he just laughed, not because it was funny, but as a nervous reaction. Same with Sasha, he laughed. He also felt anger and sadness... But Connie doesn't understand Eren 😔

[@Sashangle1]

“Because you’re important to me, more than anyone else” one of my favorite lines from Eren that shows you exactly who he is and why he does what he does. I’m with you Ange, I keep making excuses for him ahahah jaegerist at heart I love our little Paradis group I was a little sad to see Connie misunderstand Eren but it’s okay, he’s grieving too

[@Asraf_Ahmad]

Same with Hannes... He laughed because he know with all the power he had, his friend still died... Also remember that he had future memories... Maybe he already know she would died, but he still can't do anything about it... He laughed at his helpless self...

[@runedek]

this was a good post episode discussion

[@Akash_bhardwaj_123]

i am on Ange's side he is definitely in the right about Eren's perspective of everything being for friends and dont you worry about people hating on your opinion dude much love❤❤❤❤❤

[@adikeshri7341]

eren cares about them more than anyone else keep that in mind even in future

[@Visionate.]

He laughed because of what much of a joke life can be. How such a beautiful soul can be taken away,like it's some grand comedy,like some cruel joke. When you've lost alot in life,and experienced tons and tons of trauma..its a common response. That's why he laughed,I did the same when my pup died this march..because I felt like this had to be a joke,some sick joke. I was in sheer disbelief but at the same time,expected because of how shitty my life has been as a whole. I assume,he felt the same. Once you're out of tears and anger,all you have left is laughter with tears..laughing at the cruel comedy that life can be.

[@phonak888]

Aaron's laugh is a helpless and wry smile. Just like S02E12, when Hans killed by the smile titan

[@aquelajuno9701]

one way to interpret Eren's laugh when Sasha died is how ironic and funny (in a dark way) it is that he STILL can't do anything, the people he loves keep dying and he still can't help them also there MIGHT be a deeper meaning, but you will understand this in later episodes probably, you're still not supposed to get these weird moments!

[@Tderesse]

🙏 for you guys for the remaining episodes.

[@julietaespinoza767]

People who think that Eren and the Jaegerists are on the same page don't understand neither Eren, nor the Jaegerists lol

[@nightmarexcvm]

I don't understand people who say or react like Eren is wrong and Eren is kind of getting a villian. Watching own mom is being eaten by titan being able to do nothing, hundreds of own friends are getting eaten by titans, losing a lot of people he loves and respects, and it is what Eren goes through just till Maria walls recovered. After that he sees Kruger and father's memories he feel their pain and sees what they have seen before, how his nation is treated like slaves in Marley. Worst thing I realized was Marleyans make eldians kill their own nation and using eldians like living shields in the wars against other countries. For me Eren is not doing something wrong he is just who Marleyans have made. I agree with killing whole world is horrible but I got so much satisfaction when Eren attacked Marley. so I do understand him absolutely.

[@jasonyang5296]

Remember u guys chuckled when sasha said meat too lol

[@PeyloBeauty]

Connie mentioned Eren laughing bc that’s all he heard. Erens head was tilted down and his hair covered his face. So they didn’t see his frustrated face.

[@dorkshoujo]

I don't agree w/Eren's ways but I understand him completely. It's easy to say what's right or wrong but it's really different once you're put in a difficult and unfortunate situation. Honestly, the whole story about the Eldians is quite tragic. Their lives are unfortunate and forever stained because their King was a greedy shitty man. But then Marley is doing the exact same thing🤷‍♀️ every1 is blinded by the power that the titans hold. They condemn eldians for being able to turn into titans yet at the same time seek that power🤷‍♀️ The world would be a better place (fictional or real) if it was ruled or managed by a bunch of Armins, Falcos, Hanges.. unfortunately, a lot of those in power are usually a bunch of those primitive old geezers having a pissing contest. P.S. thanks Ange for noticing but yes, Isayama sensei has created the characters to be consistent from the very beginning 🤗

[@syaredzaashrafi1101]

u don't agree but u understand him? wtf which is it?

[@yeagerist1978]

Because he was watching, because of him, the father figure Hernes, who saved him, would die in front of his eyes and people like his friend for example Sasha, and even after doing so much training, he could not save them even he could not stop his emotion and he could not understand whether he laughed or wept and that's why he punched the titan and activated the power of founder

[@yeagerist1978]

This is the reason he was laughing

[@eyhabalawadhi6370]

I have watched it weakly from the beginning and I have always respected Eren every single episode till now RESPECT

[@KhuongNguyen-sw2ke]

It's a cruel world where no one is a good person

[@DonDkTaro]

Erens laughing during an important death always came off as him slowly breaking mentally

[@MysticCat21]

About Mikasa's tattoo, you actually see her getting the tattoo in the earlier chapters of the manga. I think it's chapter 6? It's the scene when we're introduced to her parents, they're killed, mikasa's kidnapped and eren rescues her. In the scene with the parents, in the manga, Mikasa gets the tattoo, and her mother tells her to pass it down to her children, when the human traffickers arrive. in the anime, due to Japan's issues with tattoos, they changed that scene into Mikasa learning embroidery from her mother, and her mother teaches her how to sew their family crest instead. So the tattoo thing wasn't something the author suddenly came up with out of nowhere.

[@Cope69]

Eren is literally asking the leader of the scouts if there is somehow another way or solution to this giant problem. But 90% of the people who watch that scene take it as " man gets physical against woman" and hate on eren for it. If it was erwin standing there and he did the same thing it'd be taken as a cry for help from eren. Also the way japanese language is structured he is basically begging her for another solution to this.

[@felix_patriot]

Eren laughs when people die around him as a coping mechanism, and at the fact that every time he still cant do a damn thing to save the people he loves.

[@Omega_Star_]

17:27 hearing you put those two things together is probably the highlight of this episodes's discussion. Bravo my man i think you're picking up what the writer was putting down.

[@someguy6469]

laughing is eren's way of "coping" like when hannes died, he laughed a bit then he blamed himself, also, I think it's because he "knew" it would happen, if u know u know. :)

[@methedmann]

Yeah Ange is a Jaegerist too ✊

[@justsomeguywithamustache2901]

I never thought the day would come when I call eren my favourite character in attack on titan😍

[@johnleviboholst5758]

Same

[@turtlepope7802]

I love Hange just shitting on Eren's dark and broody aesthetic, like a cool mom to her edgy emo teenager.

[@acrabdevis]

Eren laughted because he remembered that moment with Sasha, "Sasha was herself until the end, a lovable goofball obsessed with food", he laughts because of love and sadness. Hanes death struck him in a similar way, but then there was a lot more frustration involved. His backlash against Hange is because he hated Zeke's plan, but all this time no one has come up with a viable solution, so that's why he is screaming at Hange, she as a commander hasn't come up with a plan, Armin hasn't come up with a plan (oh yeeh...I wonder how could have come up with a plan, maybe someone not among them anymore). The only plan avaliable is one he hates, one that threatens Historia and her friends. Obviously Eren doesn't want to risk their lives, but he couldn't escape without their help from Marley, there where risk, and they payed the highest price for it.

[@kd8211]

Don't worry Ange , the word "idolizing" is the right one concerning Yelena😂

[@098anime]

"I don't think Isayama has tried to change Eren's motives from the beginning of the show that I've seen for three seasons" 23:25

[@xdrago1051]

Eren laughing is probably a coping mechanism. Many people irl laugh to cope with stuff, even death.

[@euomu]

Ange, you're a real one

[@mchebar22]

Manga ending spoilers: I love how they basically said it would have been out of character for Eren not care about his friends. They already understand Eren's character better than all the ending haters who said he should have killed them... The only way I could see Eren killing them is AOE, after several timelines of not being able to achieve freedom from the loop.

[@masterchief4136]

That's the only part I don't like about the alternative ending, I mean based on the power of the founding titan he should have been able to literally, make them go back to the island if not all at least mikasa and armin. Him killing them is stupid in my opinion for an AOE ending

[@mchebar22]

@@masterchief4136 ? No. The theory states that mikasa is keeping Eren in a loop and he has to kill her to free himself from it. They have to be the sacrifices that the new Eldian empire will be built on. Also knowing Isayama we'll still end up with some 100 years later civil war cos humans are bitches and it makes sense but Eren has to kill them to be free.

[@masterchief4136]

@@mchebar22 I will never understand that theory... How the fuck does mikasa have time warping abilities? Is she using the time stone? Is thanos going to pull up too?? The fuck

[@masterchief4136]

@@mchebar22 And what eldian empire when was eren's goal the revival of the eldian empire

[@mchebar22]

@@masterchief4136 If only Eldians remain then you have your answer, and there's been a lot of time shit in AOT so far, it wouldn't shock me if the Ackermans somehow could mess with the Attack Titan insise Eren to make this sort of thing occur, since it deals with past and future memories.

[@flores5420]

SPOILER for Season 4 part 2: Ange: I don’t think Eren’s motives have changed at all. Eren: “Since the day I was born, I’ve always been me.”

[@ondank]

Ange: That was a nice scene The scene: Discussing Erins possible euthanasia and funeral at the hands of one of his best friends

[@dom9423]

It really does make me sad how nobody recognises Eren, but end of the day yeah he's doing this all for them.

[@joaniewwh3502]

we all know conny's not the smartest... it's simply face value to him, seeing eren "laugh" upon hearing sasha's death. to me though, it was a hysterical laughter... one that shows incredulity. he must be in so much pain that he can't believe it, and at the same time, the memory that popped in his head then was sasha stealing meat which was supposed to be a happy memory. he was extremely emotional in that moment which is very rare for eren in s4 so to say that that's a proof that eren doesn't care about his friends anymore is just shallow to me. also, i especially love this conversation with hanje here. eren was extremely frustrated with hanje. imagine, hanje can afford to joke. i truly love that about hanje but seeing it from eren's POV in that moment... must be frustrating and angering. eren, in his ability to escape, did wait for a plan from hanje. he asked her and still, nothing. do note, 4 years have already passed since the marleyan warriors were in paradis. hence, after her convo with eren, hanje's seen her vulnerable state which hanje rarely shows too - saying that erwin made a mistake of making her a commander. i still love them all and i'm hurt for this lack of solidarity. i agree with ange that eren's so-called selfishness is coming from a selfless core. i believe that.

[@Mitsu2040]

The constant time-jumps can be a bit confusing, especially when they don't always say when a scene is taking place. Basically you only have to go on Eren's hair to know which era we're in.

[@prathambhardwaj1802]

At that time Eren was asking to hange to hear any other plan she got under her sleeve to change his own plan but she didn't got any

[@RenaissanceMotoko972]

Connie is so upset that he doesn't understand that is how Eren reacts when he feels useless ....... He laughs... At his failures.

[@NightSterling]

You were right that Eren did laugh when Hannes died as well. It was pretty much the same scenario, They come to rescue Eren and die in the process then Eren laughs at the fact that despite all his power he couldn't save those close to him.

[@ronnoc841]

8:14 i think thats the gear zeke took from mike at the start of season 2

[@raylenerobin]

THERES NO EXPLANATION NEEDED BECAUSE CARLIE LAUGHED AT SASHA's MEAT TOO.

[@samuelpinto2003]

When Sasha died, she said:Are we eating soon? Meat. The japanese pronounce of meat is "Niku" and maybe he was calling Nicolo before die.

[@emppa3138]

Boys we are getting close to the part 2 intro!

[@sadboi6194]

Little Historias😂

[@miacr7]

I'm really glad you understood Eren and didn't judge him":))🤍 He loves his friend.

[@arnold2614]

so about Mikasa's tattoo was changed to the knitwork by studio WIT at episode 6 of season 1, that's why we never even see Mikasa wrap her wrist like that. Idk why they decided to changed that (maybe they just think that it's irrelevant)

[@randomzietoscano6463]

eren laughs when he is desperate and feels useless but at the same time his sad he could not change the outcome of someone's death