What is Zionism? (Philosophical Definition)

[@Caesaribus]

A nicely balanced view on the topic. Thanks for your information! I keep hearing Zionist as a buzzword in many debates over the current conflict so its nice to understand what Zionism actually is as a philosophy.

[@johnnyribeiro7694]

I’m uncertain about this video’s contents. I’m particularly concerned with the distinction it makes between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. In defending this distinction, anti-Semitism is defined as ‘discrimination against Jewish people.’ However, I think it would be more accurate to define it as ‘discrimination against Jewish people, including the denial of their basic human rights.’ Under this definition, anti-Zionism could reasonably be viewed as a form of anti-Semitism because it challenges the Jewish right to self-determination-a fundamental human right recognized under the Geneva Convention-which is currently realized through the existence of the state of Israel. To clarify, this view isn't solely my own; it is supported by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states that anti-Zionism may cross into anti-Semitism when it challenges the Jewish right to a national homeland, a right that underpins the existence of the state of Israel. The U.S. Department of State also endorses this view, noting that anti-Semitism can include the rejection of Israel’s right to exist. Scholars such as David Hirsh argue that denying the Jewish right to self-determination, which is often embedded in anti-Zionist positions, can indeed constitute a form of anti-Semitic discrimination. In this light, anti-Zionism may not merely serve as a ‘dog-whistle’ for anti-Semitism; it can represent one type of anti-Semitism in itself.

[@Domi2gud]

What does your content have to do with Carneades?

[@amandab1064]

The site is named in honour of Carneades, not just regarding this one particular video.

[@RENATVS_IV]

For me, the problem is mainly geographically. Jewish were allowed to enter and create their state, but it was almost entirely imposed, it was not organic or "natural"

[@allenmoses110]

Totally natural.

[@Shady36]

What's more natural than armed conflict. Welcome to the Human race.

[@adityatyagi4009]

Good video. I have many questions: In Herzl's book The Jewish State, he mentions "Promised Land" a few times. What did he mean by Promised Land? Promised by who and to whom? Is there any possible non-religious, agnostic/atheistic, secular, scientific interpretation of "Promised Land"? If so, what is it? If not, then as a religious concept, why does the "god" that promises it be believed? In other words, isn't Zionism at its core just a religious concept? If not, then can it be defined without any reference to any "Promised Land"? If so, then why is Herzl so influential as to be considered the father of modern Zionism? Why does he mentioned "Promised Land" in his book Thanks for any clarification.

[@joeyclark3995]

There is no scientific explanation for the "Promised Land" you know it's a religious term. The Torah, The Bible, & yes even The Qur'an (5:21) all say the Holly Land (Canaan) was promised by god/allah to the children of Israel (the 12 tribes of Israel) it also says in all 3 Holly Books that the Israelites would be scattered throughout all the nations but in the last days they will be gathered together again in the promised land. Atheist obviously will not accept this. So we can take a look at history & find out who owned the land & how did they acquire ownership of the land. There's a long list of landlords over the millennia, but safe to say the land was won & owned by conquest! Whoever won the land got to dictate what happens to the land & who lives on it. This is the way of the Holly Land & it's always been that way. History proves it unequivocally!

[@patanthony9286]

@@joeyclark3995 You should not even speak

[@2l8mate59]

​@patanthony9286 Why not? Let's read your awesome insight into this. What's going on in Israel is nothing short of an ethnic cleansing. The whole notion of Zionism is rooted in the belief that Jews should have their own land controlled solely by theocratic rules and laws. There are plenty of examples of this all around the world. One that comes to mind is the USA. Others include all of the Commonwealth nation. Divide and conquer will always reign supreme until we all learn as the human race to stop with this mentality. Also, why does Russia want the donbass region so bad?

[@jackcarraway4707]

"if i dont steal your house someone else will." -zionist proverb

[@TheJudyStroyer]

Jewnited states of america

[@slev6592]

Al Jazeera fake news

[@youssefdirani]

I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Otherwise, the immigrants who robbed the land should go back to where they came from.

[@moneymatters983]

Bullshit!

[@Mo-wu2fc]

As prophet Mohamed did with Jewish people in Elmadina kill all teenagers and men and take all the women and children as a slaves and their land and money.. Wow!

[@divemylollol6152]

People are envious

[@keifer7813]

I think you understated the biblical justifications for zionism. Many Jews believe they have a God given right to a land, specifically the land of modern day Israel Which is obviously ridiculous to anyone who doesn't believe in the bible

[@teresakarr8328]

Be careful what you allign yourself with.

[@avaevathornton9851]

I think a group of people should be able to form their own community and decide their own laws if they meet certain basic standards like having an appropriate territory to do it on, being able to show a clear popular (rather than elite) desire for such autonomy, a commitment to democratic policy making, a good faith desire to maintain peace with their neighbours. And if the Jewish people, or some large subset of them, meet criteria like these, we should respect their right to create their own state. As for whether it's actually in their interest to do so, I'll leave to them to decide. Also this obviously doesn't justify the way Israel actually went about acquiring the land to build their country on; I would be far more sympathetic to their cause if they had bought some sparsely populated land somewhere and built a brand new country. Given how small their population is, it could probably have been a single city-state.

[@HumanProgress]

A Jewish State could be the size of a postage stamp and the Arab/Muslim world would still be outraged. Jews accepted a two-state solution as long as they could re establish their ancient homeland in areas of Palestine where Jews were the majority. According to the grand mufti of Jerusalem at the time, and staunch Nazi Haj Amin al-Husseini…it would violate Islamic law for even one inch of Palestine to be controlled by Jews. The Land Of Milk And Honey tastes bitter to enemies……….

[@compilationsaddict2509]

you mean that muslims as a commlunity should be able to form their own caliphate? and decide their own laws ( charia law)? or you are talking only about Is-n't-rael only

[@NewOrleans-m1q]

@@compilationsaddict2509As a Muslim, I believe in establishing a democracy based on secular law and equality for all.

[@compilationsaddict2509]

@@NewOrleans-m1q you as a muslim believe the laws of humans are better than the law of god? haven't you read history? look at the golden age islam has when we ruled with charia law, how is secular law working for the people except the few capitalist, the 1% percent

[@voltage80x]

In an ideal world, setting up a country with everyone being/thinking the same would be ok. In reality, we have seen when nationalists create these countries They fear their neighbors, dehumanize other groups, extend their borders, and think of themselves as superior beings.

[@Shevock]

I'm against nationalism based on languishes or cultures as a general statement. I understand that statement is easier to make today that it has been on history. However if we are going to have nations, with the challenges we face in the 21st century, they would best be bioregional.

[@stormrider1375]

That makes no sense. Zionism, Capitalism and Communism are all the same, led by the same international clique.

[@MoaazBunduk]

Good video, but antisemitism is not hatred only towards jewish people; Jewish people are not the only semitists

[@adrianblake8876]

This is how the word was defined when coined and always has been used. You're engaging in an "etymological fallacy"...

[@MoaazBunduk]

@@adrianblake8876 then call it simply Jew-hatred. Philosophers are precise when it comes to definitions. Now matter what the intents, or agendas, behind the term are, understanding it to mean exclusively hatred towards Jews is a misuse of the word semite.

[@adrianblake8876]

@@MoaazBunduk That's what it was called until a 19th century German wanted to sound more PC and sciency...

[@joeyclark3995]

20% (1.8 million) of Israel's population are ARAB MUSLIMS, who enjoy the full rights of Israeli citizenship. They love living in Israel & when asked they say they would never leave & live in an Arab country. They say they have access to freedom, education, varsity, medicare, good wages, houses, cars, & a great quality of life. There is also other religious & cultural groups in Israel such as the Druze, Samaritans, Christians etc. If Zionist Israel is EXCLUSIVE to Jews ONLY then above FACTS debunk that. Israel lets 20,000 Palestinians into Israel everyday to work. They get paid European standard wages. Hamas certainly doesn't provide employment opportunities to their people & NO ARAB countries give the Palestinians work opportunities let alone let them into their country. If this is Zionism it's doing a lot better than a lot of other countries out there.

[@youssefdirani]

I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Otherwise, the immigrants who robbed the land should go back to where they came from.

[@hbhc1000]

Antisemitism is not exclusively against jewish people, it is against semitic people, hebrews, islamic, chaldean and arameic.

[@ferdia748]

It's never been used that way though.

[@hbhc1000]

@@ferdia748 because logic has never been present in politics

[@dovide.5557]

Antisemitism has always been about the Jews. We have other terms, such as islamophobia to discuss discrimination etc for other groups.

[@only20frickinletters]

Look at literally any dictionary or encyclopedia. Meanings are determined by use, not etymology. "Antisemitism" was coined by antisemites who thought "jew-hatred" sounded too unscientific.

[@maymadison3620]

@@dovide.5557 Jews are not the only Semetic people on the planet!!

[@teresakarr8328]

A zionist is a person that affirms a jewish state country . The recognition of that country and the alliance or protection of jewish secular amd cultural rights. Obviously , i aggree wirh the PREMISE and i am assimilated to a point, but also isolated as an individual person. Not as detrimental as i do recognisey ancestors. I am only slightly privy and it is my current position as a descendant of the assimilated person that is valuable and useful to the world, in every way. No measure.

[@phoenixkali]

Like fleas fighting over who owns the dog.

[@WessleyNeal]

If it’s that trivial and pointless then give away your house then.. nothing matters on a cosmic scale just ants give me your house and live on the street it don’t matter anyway lol

[@DWAGON1818]

Who does a particular land belong to? When has this been finalized? The whole idea of the land belonging to Jews is wrong. The only reason there is a state of Israel is because of the power they have due to the backing of US and UK. There is no moral or objective basis for it.

[@DWAGON1818]

@@Lamster66 Many other religions claim that God has allotted a particular land to them. The Muslims claim that God has allotted the entire land to be ruled by their religious teachings. So they should be the rulers. Will the Zionists accept this? Or anyone else? Nope. They made an Israel because the western powers helped them.

[@allenmoses110]

Jewish connection to the Land of Israel is saturated in Jewish religion and culture.

[@DWAGON1818]

So? This means you can have the land? This is not a reason for statehood. You want to live there then go live in historical Palestine.

[@JohnathanAnD]

@@DWAGON1818exactly , if you call this out they gaslight you with how victimized they’ve been.

[@saimbhat6243]

​@@allenmoses110 Well nobody cares for your emotions or how emotionally/culturally you are "attached" to some land. If a land is home for some other people for 1800 years, I am not sure there is any rational justification to steal it, either because you lived their 1700 years ago or because your YHWH promised it to you(does he own it or is he a real estate dealer?) or because you have emotional connection to it. The only reason it stands there is because it CAN stand there, and the day it cannot stand there, there would be another failed bar kokhba revolt and it won't stand there anymore. World doesn't work on your emotions and feeling. What are you!? A 9 year old?