Carnivore Doctor Reveals The TRUTH! Carnivore Doctor vs Plant-Based Doctor

[@jaytee8426]

There’s a difference between healthy right now and healthy in the long term. Just because you feel good now or your labs “look good” now doesn’t mean it’s not subject to change. Hence why the long term plant based studies are indisputable.

[@traveler65]

When I was young I basically ate whatever I wanted.... literally. With no real health issues...lets see where the carnivores are in 20 years because when you hit your mid 50s early 60s is when things start going south. My husband and I are 66....became plant based over 8 years ago. Feeling fantastic...no meds/ no health issues Best decision we ever made. 🌱👍

[@blackpalacemusic]

What people don't know is that the carnivore diet is 100 years old. Most people believe it's new, it's not!!! Low carb diets inevitably fail and just rebrands every few years. In the last decade we've seen Paleo, Keto, Carnivore, which are variations of low carb diets.

[@Carniboarder]

Look up Richard Rodriguez Kelly Hogan Maggie white SarahKlenier so many more look at them then look at long term corpses like Dr Mcdoogle Not Dr michael Gregor

[@courag1]

I went WFPB 10 years ago, my husband, 7 years ago. Neither of us have to take prescription meds. I am at the BMI I was aiming for, down 80 lbs., feeling great. But we did have to work harder for my husband. But it was with it. We remember our parents with their cancers, dementias, diabetes type II, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and their joint replacements, hospitalizations - neither of us wanted a repeat performance as I had to take care of my parents. We are there to help our son’s family, fit to take care of the 3 year old twin boys, as we made better choices in nutrition. Our food tastes good. We don’t miss the weight we lost.

[@LATFA.]

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[@SuperBookdragon]

I am so much younger than most of my same age peers and I credit eating whole food plant based.

[@michelletulumello661]

I did veganuary (mostly whole food plant based but not obsessive) and my LDL dropped 89 points! Fasting blood sugar dropped 6 points. Triglycerides dropped 100 points down into the normal range. The results were so good I am now a vegan for life. End of february (2 months in) I have also lost 5 pounds. Turns out what was right for the planet was also right for me.

[@anthonydude]

Veganism has nothing to do with the planet or your health

[@veelam]

Congratulations for regaining your health! Leaving animals off our plates is also right for the animals 😊

[@Spock_Rogers]

That's awesome! 😎

[@justicericketts2912]

Legendary

[@Xend03]

you are plant based, not vegan. Veganism is about rejecting animal exploitation, rejecting the idea that they are here for us, the idea of seeing them as resources, veganism it´s not a diet, it´s not about health and it´s not about environment, it´s just respect, an ethical stance.

[@loudamiani9218]

What's almost never spoken about even if both diets are equal which they are not, how does a planet with over 8 billion people feed itself without killing the planet, the ethical and health benefits of a whole plant food diet diet is undeniable. The environmental impact of a carnivore diet is disastrous for the planet , Eat less meat and fish and more plants.

[@PrinzessKennY]

Or produce less people aka cheap Ant workers 😂😂😂 we are too many..

[@azwarriorm2617]

That not necessarily true what about monoceopping that destroy the soil … and the big 3 are heavily gmo for a reason. ( wheat, soy, and corn) Just saying there’s always a flip side.

[@Spock_Rogers]

A balanced, whole food, plant based diet is best for health and longevity. It's also the best for the environment and most definitely for the animals! 🕊️💕🌱🌞

[@LATFA.]

💚Sanity✔️ 💜Mental stability✔️ 💛Moral consistency✔️ ❤Empathy✔️ 💙Compassion✔️ 🎉Good job.

[@ACT1ON_JACKSON]

Nah

[@Spock_Rogers]

@@ACT1ON_JACKSON A brilliant riposte.

[@SweetPotatoTyler]

This is really embarrassing for Shawn, one of the proponents of the carnivore diet admitting he has no scientific basis to back up his diet and yet he still recommends it for health. I hope rational people can see how this makes no sense.

[@ejRecording]

Garth is smart and in great shape, he must've intimidated the f out of Shawn as he clearly cowered

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

They 'enjoy' what they eat at the expense of innocent lives; they need no scientific proof. They feed off the homrones, death, and adrenaline of others, period. No compassion, no empathy, eating 4-5x the animal that regular omnivores eat. Their choice, their belief system. And I am a ethical vegan, only whole food plants, for over 25 years.

[@kaymarie9116]

Especially about the diabetic topic. If theres a type 2 diabetic, I think the carnivore diet might just cover up symptoms. As soon as that person goes back to eating any carbs again, especially after some time eating no carbs, they will have a hard time. The plant based diet will more help the root cause for a type 2. That's what I heard. The Kempner's rice diet is interesting to read on.

[@BooshyBrows]

@@kaymarie9116 the biggest impact you can have on type 2 is losing weight

[@kaymarie9116]

@@BooshyBrows yah u can lose by eating meat carnivor style or you can lose by eating high carb low fat. If you do carnivore for a little while to lose weight for diabetes, what is going to happen when you reintroduce carbs? Or do you do carnivore for the rest of your life? What would the outcome of that be?

[@StephenOfEarth]

Hardcore carnivore advocate admits that he's full of crap because he knows that he's out of his league in this debate.

[@TrojansFirst]

It’s the fact that you need fiber to feed the microbiome if one is looking for optimal health outcomes that destroys his argument.

[@suuujuuus]

so full of hate

[@warbananas6858]

I think he told a lot of good information, lol.

[@TrojansFirst]

@@warbananas6858 he's changing his tune some as he gets more educated.

[@Zett76]

Right? The amount of times he (and she, if I remember right) say "I believe"...

[@stephsmemo]

You can feel better having coffee and cocaine - doesn’t make it good long term. Atkins creator had heart disease when they did an autopsy

[@robertusga]

Coffee is great long term

[@AaronVets]

@@robertusgaDepends on dosage and whether it’s caffeinated or not.

[@robertusga]

Moderate coffee intake-about 2-5 cups a day-is linked to a lower likelihood of type 2 diabetes, heart disease, liver and endometrial cancers, Parkinson's disease, and depression. It's even possible that people who drink coffee can reduce their risk of early death.

[@fastman633]

Shawn Baker is all about personal feelings and theories whereas Dr Garth Davis has the actual science. I wish Dr Davis would have opened up and let the audience know how illogical and dangerous Shawn Bakers beliefs are. I’m hoping it wasn’t just editing.

[@RandomHuTaoSimp]

Incorrect. He has 0 science. All the data is in fact pseudo science and do NOT have the statistical power to inform on cause and effect on humans. Especially since randomized controlled trials on humans, locked in labs isn't doable, none of the crappy vegan "science" can inform on any negative health outcomes in humans as it relates to animal products Neither side provided any real science

[@Lomochenko]

Science always changes. Always. Don’t get too caught up in science when science can’t prove anything.

[@ClayTallStories]

Have to give Baker his due for an honest debate and clearly admit that the Carnivore diet does not have long-term studies with hard endpoints for long-term health outcomes.

[@MoeShlomo]

Baker has been hedging his "bet" on the carnivore diet recently, admitting it's possible that LDL cholesterol has some causality with atherosclerosis and here conceding there are no studies showing it has good long-term outcomes. I wonder why...

[@ejRecording]

He pretends we don't already know meat etc is unhealthy and fruits and veg are

[@1m2ogaming]

@@ejRecording Lean meat is pretty neutral. Fatty meat no idea but if your saturated fats are not too high it's normal. So easy way to get protein alongside whey.

[@ejRecording]

@@1m2ogaming there are 10+ reasons meats adverse effects outweighs the benefits, high fat being only one

[@Lomochenko]

@@ejRecording I only ate vegetables from my family garden all my childhood and into my teens with meat maybe once every few years. My health declined to the point I couldn’t function as a human being. I had over 30 health conditions. My blood results had me deficient in over 17 vitamins and minerals. When I went to college my roommates would cook me meat and I started to feel human again. I slowly started consuming more and more meat and my health improved drastically. I eventually went completely animal based and all my health problems went away.

[@DerMig590]

Gotta love carnivore guy saying plant based people are biased because of "ethics" but he's not biased?

[@farfiman]

In a way he is correct. Vegans in general care about health but also the moral pov on killing ( and to a lesser amount the environment/climate change etc) and it can have an effect. The carnivores aren't pro killing animals or harming the environment just for the fun of it. They just want to eat meat. Disclaimer: Long term vegan here but logic is logic.

[@chuckybang]

@@farfiman Meat eaters are biased because they want their diet to be healthy.

[@FreeRadicals9478]

Taking money from the livestock industry doesn’t make them biased but our ethics do? The logic of psychopaths.

[@anthonydude]

​@@farfimanveganism has nothing to do with health

[@sandralison7584]

​​@@anthonydude no not the ethics of veganism. Many don't do it actually for health reasons, there even is vegan junk food, unhealthy but still ethical. But regardless of that, a plant based diet is in fact healthier for humans, than a meat based diet. Regardless of the ethics of veganism. It's a fact. Some people just do vegan dieting without caring for animal exploitation, just for health reasons and still wear leather etc... But a plant based diet is still healthier than a meat heavy diet. It's just a simple fact.

[@ritajhorn3585]

This is a very good professional debate. I’ve been plant based for over three years after watching many health videos of Dr. Davis along with other whole plant based, Vegan, doctors. They back their recommendations by many different studies. They made me aware of the cruelty of animal farming and the devastating effects on our environment because of animal agriculture. I feel better now than I ever have. Love these kinds of videos. Thank you for sharing

[@thebowandbullet]

The irony of Baker's shirt: "No one is coming to save you" 😅

[@michelletulumello661]

No one told him cows couldn't read 🤣

[@Spock_Rogers]

Not exactly what I want my doctor to say.

[@Meathead-10810]

I think maybe it means that you are ultimately responsible for your own health and that you should not rely on anyone profiting from your illnesses to have your best interests at heart.

[@joshirwin3234]

@@michelletulumello661oh my god 😂

[@AaronVets]

@@Meathead-10810🤡🤡🤡

[@kathygaskins7132]

What could have been a very interesting discussion (definitely not a 'debate' with third party in the middle biased toward carnivore diet...) turned south real fast, especially after Mr. Baker made a valid point that the 'healthy' carnivore diet he promotes has not yet been studied. He is probably correct there but then goes into outer space, literally, with everything else he states. When someone is able to show me a carnivore doctor who is as healthy and at same age as Drs. Esselstine, T. Colin Campbell (both in their 90s) and Dean Ornish (70+), then we'll talk. Until then, vegan won this 'debate.'

[@blackpalacemusic]

The food component most associated with human longevity is fiber. The food component most associated with human mortality and illnesses is cholesterol. One is found only in plants the latter only in animals. Carnist of course will say "association/correlation is not causation" which is true, so maybe one day we we will deliberately induce chronic diseases to prove which diet is the healthiest. 😂😂😂

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

Good points. Yet there are many weston a. price followers who believe the more cholesterol the better; and lard is healthy. I do not understand how some of these cadaver eaters have been carni for over 5 or 10 years. The lack of food variety, the smells, and constipation must become normal to them.

[@globalist1990]

@@rachelgoodkind6545one little detail I don't see mentioned that much: after becoming vegan, my kitchen bin stopped stinking. Some musky smell from moisture only. My own personal outside bin (I live in the uk and need to put my own personal bin by the road for collection), doesn't stink either. I've had it for weeks before it got full enough for collection and still it didn't smell bad. Just a little anecdotal detail, but it left an impression on me.

[@parnianx]

@@globalist1990that is an excellent point! Now that I think about it you are so right!!!! My bin smells soooo unbearable when my parents come to stay with us who eat animal products

[@yangtse55]

@@rachelgoodkind6545 why do Aldi force me into the corpse aisle to buy hummus ? I'm amazed anybody gets beyond seeing the stuff uncooked... Perhaps that's why so many people rely on fast "food".

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

@@yangtse55 Aldi is small and compacts aisles. They keep their fridge's together and does what is convenient. It is possible to make your own hummus and make it even better without so much salt.

[@NikaVeronika88]

Dr. Garth is the man! 🌱 Let the man speak!!😄

[@VeganChiefWarrior]

He didn't have much to say I'm not a fan tbh, other vegan doctors are alot better at remembering and risiting studies that address people's claims, Garth has the studies but always struggles with resiting them, either has memory issues or just hasn't actually read the studies

[@NikaVeronika88]

@@VeganChiefWarrior Well, the other guy kept interrupting him 🤦‍♀

[@sO_RoNerY]

@@VeganChiefWarriorif you don’t speak for a living like other WFPB doctors, you are not going to address the issue using words to make you sound smarter and to get the info out so people like you are educated and pleased.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

Interesting point that Dr Shawn Baker makes about the sources of the saturated fat, but haven't they tested coconut oil and found that even the saturated fat just from coconut oil also raises cholesterol? OK, so the girl who's name I don't remember in this moment (Is she Lauren Knight Hughes)? asked why the plant based community isn't interested in the carnivore diet because it's helping people and the answer for me is that a plant based elimination diet or a plant based keto diet can offer the same results therefore it can be done without animal products therefore we will not support it. Humans survived because of their ability to eat nearly anything and that speaks to survival. We only have to survive long enough to reproduce and raise offspring and that doesn't inform us what is most healthy for longevity and for longer health span.

[@sandralison7584]

Agreed. There are existing even plant based vegan keto diets. For example for these people who do this because of serious health issues but are still vegans. For example some people who have hard to treat seizures, some serious mental health problems, bipolar disorder etc... but it can be plant based or even vegan. Its possible. Vegan keto.

[@ejRecording]

@@sandralison7584if it's high fat low carb it's deadly

[@abhayagarwal5097]

About the carnivore diet if most are doing ok and good on a plant based diet why would they need to look into something as horrible as "carnivore" diet ? Do these ppl realise what they are even talking about at all and why do meat eating ppl often come across as a narcissistic and a psychopath ! How do ppl think of even meat as something that will "heal" them but not really look into other alternative ways that doesn't involves eating someone's dead(most likely mur***ed body parts).. And if you genuinely tried everything and you still feel terrible on plants then obviously it's your choice but you don't see this from typical "carnivore" diet promoters. It's just about money which is the root of all evils.

[@lorenzobunn1944]

@@abhayagarwal5097maybe people wanted to eat a species appropriate diet?🤔🤔

[@rhiannonwilliams2521]

There are population studies on the 7th Day Adventists done by Loma Linda University These were 3 large, statistically significant groups, viz, omnivores, vegetarians who included dairy and eggs in their diet, and vegans. This study extended over a long period of time. The vegans were the longest living with reduced rates of cardiovascular disease and cancer. Next came the vegetarians and the omnivores were the worst off healthwise.

[@allanbennett272]

Please direct me to the study I want to see it

[@rhiannonwilliams2521]

@@allanbennett272 There were 2 studies done. The one I refer to was called Vegetarian Dietary patterns and Mortality in Adventists Health Study 2. J.A.M.A. Internal med. 2013 July8; 173 (13): 1230- 1238

[@tinahelpme]

Then we have 2 separate data collection groups that show Hong Kong has the highest consumption of pork and total meat as well as scoring #1 for life expectancy

[@rhiannonwilliams2521]

@@tinahelpme The studies are not comparable. You have to separate groups according to diet. It may be possible that one group is responsible for the consumption of meat but the majority of the population (eg the poorest) does not. Also check out who is funding the study. There are dozens of studies out there funded by the meat industries and dairy farmers proving that their products are beneficial with fraudulent statistics. The Physicians for Responsible Medicine sued the Dairy Association about false advertising and wone, which is why you never see milk moustache ads anymore!!!!

[@Lomochenko]

@@rhiannonwilliams2521 Those studies were funded by the seventh day Adventist church. Their religion teaches veganism. Those studies can’t be taken too seriously.

[@KerriEverlasting]

Be kind, be vegan. ❤

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

This doesn't register in the mind of the carnivore .😢 Never heard any community talk more about their favourite subjects , themselves . You don't even have to be " kind " to be vegan , logical works for me , leave beings be .😊

[@Zett76]

I prefer "be smart, be vegan". ;)

[@alx4animalss]

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[@aquariuscomfort]

How is being vegan kind? To what and who?

[@MrCwb22]

What about the plants?? You're killing them!

[@KJSvitko]

Heart disease is the number one killer of people today and cancer is number two. Being over weight is the number one factor leading to an early death. People who are over weight have higher risks for high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes and cancer. Even children today have signs of artery disease. Fast foods and sugary drinks have long term consequences. There is an obesity epidemic today where over 60% of the population is overweight or obese. What is common today and "NORMAL" is not healthy. The average person today is not healthy and is taking medications. Heart attacks were once only common in people over 65. Today people in their 40 are having heart attacks. Add more plants and vegetables to your diet and less junk and overly processed foods

[@Spock_Rogers]

Also eliminate animal products.

[@blackpalacemusic]

Vegans are the only dietary group in the USA with an average healthy BMI. Are there overweight, obese and underweight vegans? Yes of course, but compared to other dietary groups vegans are doing better on average.

[@Meathead-10810]

@@blackpalacemusic That says that there are also many skinny malnourished vegans to get the average down from the obese ones, did you realise that?

[@JnTmarie]

My answer you wrote🙏🏻💪🏻✨ thank you for doing that. Where is the connection. When will people wake up. Love. Be kind. Be vegan

[@tr1ckster726]

This is based on zero science. Humans have had heart disease since their inception, look at the incidence of discovered heart disease in cavemen, it will shock you. Were cavemen eating processed junk?

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Shawna and her sidekick are backtracking on all the misinformation they have been spreading.

[@jaelmoray]

With the sheer level of gastrointestinal issues on the rise, to think fiber isn't important to health is harmful coming from this carnivore doctor. It absolutely is important to stave off many diseases and ease symptoms. To mislead on this topic is negligent. As someone with diverticular disease in my mid 30's, far earlier than most end up with it, having had multiple bouts of diverticulitis, hashimotos and severe IBS, fiber has changed my life. High fiber is so important to optimal gut health and functioning. I am so frustrated by these carnivore doctors who literally pull "but I feel good" out of their butts, with no scientific evidence to back up the diet they are pushing on their patients.

[@prieten49]

Shawn Baker thinks it's "unfortunate" that people let ethical considerations supercede nutritional ones. If you have a choice between two ways of eating and know that one way will reduce environmental and health impacts and animal suffering, it is really irresponsible to not consider those factors in choosing one way or the other.

[@tofuneverbleeds]

💯 Not eating other sentient beings should be a moral baseline.

[@flynnforgeau9750]

So true. Baker and Garth both agree that both diets can be incredibly healthy when done right. Only Baker is going by 'feel' and garth by science...

[@ddhqj2023]

There's not a lot of interest because of the overt and deliberate brutality. And the damage to our environment. Very telling that he says basically, screw the environment! I guess it's only 'all about him' so he doesn't care that the animals suffer.

[@jean-chritophedesjarlais8435]

Perhaps he likes to consider health and the environment independently so as to give each a better look. But no doubt the healthier diet is also the best one for the environment. How could we go wrong by consuming only what we need and nothing more?

[@ddhqj2023]

I didn't get the impression that he's interested in his diets effect on the environment, period. And if we 'kill' our environment, then we kill us and humanities future if the goal is a future that's sustainable and relatively 'comfortable'. But it's my observation after years of commenting back and forth with climate change deniers, their attitude for the most part seems to be that the world is not bad right now and they're not suffering from it, so who cares how bad it will be for future generations. Mental gymnastics that refuse to care that some of those future generations will include their own grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc. @@jean-chritophedesjarlais8435

[@abhayagarwal5097]

I wish these carnist will get above greed some day and put themselves in position of animals and genuinely try to include as much plant based foods as possible. Btw they don't have to go all in and complain about how bad veganism is ,just need to do it gradually and see how their body reacts to it over months/years and definitely take help when necessary.

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

Sadly no carnist talks about compassion. They merely mention how the dead animal they eat is 'raised". Its' very much a survival instinct.

[@ddhqj2023]

It's a deflection so they don't have to recognize that they are supporting animal abuse.@@rachelgoodkind6545

[@erikinhd13]

Baker, yet again just talking nonsense and acts like it means something. He says half truths and says Garth would agree with him on certain things so it looks like he knows what he’s talking about. Whole food Plant based is the one and only way to lead a long term healthy lifestyle. Carnivore diet is just another fad diet that works well in losing weight in the short term but leads to major issues long term. But no cares about that bc they all just want to lose weight fast so they can get back to their average American diet. And since Baker promotes meat, people will double down on eating it bc it gives them the confirmation they want to continue to eat unhealthy.

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

Sadly, Baker has many fans and followers since they believe what he says. But its' only fair, he should talk about constipation and smelly fluids.

[@flynnforgeau9750]

Good point. I wouldn't be surprised to see most of Baker's social media audience watching his content to validate them not trying veganism and staying on an unhealthy meat omnivore diet.

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

@@flynnforgeau9750 Many humans believe the hype about the lion diet, and some swear they have eliminated all their health problems. But, what were they eating before it?, and, whay do they not talk about constipation, boredom, excess heme iron and multiple other natural side effects?. Why did SALADino. who bragged about nose to tail (and the ass hole as well?) for so many years, add white rice and fruit to his "diet" 2 years ago?. And why did Dr. Mercols, who promoted 80% fat diets, and eating tons of animal awful, now say he is for low fat and high carb???. cheers.

[@rosiekay1278]

All I can say is that in 2013 I started working out. I could not run or jog barely 100 metres (or less) while eating a normal diet- I was 24 at the time and a low normal BMI. That whole year I struggled working out and decided to go plant based in 2014. I did some Zumba and things for a few years after that but nothing vigorous compared to running or jogging that I was attempting before. In 2017 I stopped exercising completely but kept eating a whole food plant based diet (but I did and still do eat oil and sugar). This year 2024 I am 34 almost 35 and I decided to start working out again for heart health. My VERY FIRST workout was a jog verging on a run and I was able to continuously run 4miles without stopping or taking a break. I have continued and am only getting better and better at it, faster and farther with ease. I do eat plant based for ethical reasons but this was just something that was insane to me and I did not see this coming. How could it be possible that I can do more than I was at 24 (my weight has always been normal on both diets). I just don’t see how anything other than the plant based healthy diet could be the reason for this and I am amazed.

[@williamhartman9]

Lauren says “she had an eating disorder “ she had currently text book eating disorder.

[@residentjess]

Vegans are projecting once again. Not wanting to eat any animal based products is an eating disorder. Meat contains various nutrients that humans need to thrive.

[@Spock_Rogers]

What?

[@robinpetersson3081]

"i think", "I believe", "I would guess" is a terrible way to argue. Glad the plant guy brought scientific facts to the table. He just never got to finish his thoughts. Oh, and the lady had eating disorders and think going carnivore solved things?

[@BR10743]

Baker literally has no idea was he's rambling

[@thenayancat8802]

"Whole food meat based diet" 🤮

[@cricketylife8742]

I know right? 😂

[@ejRecording]

He's spiraling 🌀

[@terryjackson9395]

The most telling fact is that he (and others in his group) go ballistic against cultured (lab-grown) meat, even though it's bioidentical to animal meat right down to the cells (minus: fecal matter, Chlorine, Carbon Monoxide, Ammonia, PAH, HCAs, Dioxins, etc) That tells you their loyalty is to the cattleman's assoc and meat lobby, not just "weight loss" or some such.

[@blackpalacemusic]

Great point! Saladino is selling organ meat supplements with his business partner the Liver King, so it's there's a lot of truth to your statement.

[@Meathead-10810]

It's definitely not biologically equivalent. Lab grown meat is comparable to hydroponically grown plants - sterile - as they grow they only have access to whatever nutrients that the builder allows.

[@sandralison7584]

​@@Meathead-10810 I would be very happy if meat would be sterile. Because it has so many pathogens. So many diseases infections come from meat. It's very gross. As animals are similar to humans, because we are animals too, we can even get their diseases, or they can jump to humans sooner or later.

[@abhayagarwal5097]

Ty , someone here was saying that how is 100% honest and well intentioned. But why do ppl forget that everyone needs to earn as well and more money makes you more greedy.

[@ClovettCC]

I think his point around 16:45 that fiber makes the gut worse is only true if you have an imbalance of bad gut bacteria. Yes, fiber makes both good and bad gut bacteria grow, but that doesn’t mean you should eliminate it forever.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

That's the problem and it's a big one. When people increase their fiber intake, the gut reacts initially and they see that as a sign of the food being bad for them when the reality is that the gut is messed up and needs time to heal and adjust. It's a big deterrent and it's very frustrating.

[@abhayagarwal5097]

Right and it might take months/years to heal it if done properly.

[@nonewherelistens1906]

If the science eventually proves that a whole food plant-based diet and a meat-included clean eating diet are equal in their promotion of health, I'm choosing other plant-based for environmental reasons. The science is overwhelming that meat in the dietary menu produces 90% more greenhouse gases, water use, water pollution, and less species diversity. And that's not even considering the ethical concerns. Forks over knives for the planet.

[@leviahimsa]

Lol, she "cured her eating disorder" with an "eating disorder"! 🤣🤣🤣

[@lorenzobunn1944]

How is being carnivore an eating disorder?

[@jsblastoff]

A Dr. wearing a shirt that says “no ones coming to save you” I might go to another dr 🤣 If you have an eating disorder and you become a carnivore you still have an eating disorder. “What do think about that?”

[@Meathead-10810]

I think maybe it means that you are ultimately responsible for your own health and that you should not rely on anyone profiting from your illnesses to have your best interests at heart.

[@3sotericCompassionist1976]

Carnism is a form of Narcissism.... prove me wrong 😊

[@Spock_Rogers]

Lack of empathy. Self centered. Projection. Yup. Looks like a narcissistic trait to me.

[@blackpalacemusic]

🤔

[@pipcowan]

Absolutely

[@bearkinsbear8409]

Only once youve been educated about where it comes from and learn the truth, after that if you're still eating meat then yes youre a narcissist.

[@chubbatheBOSS]

Can’t prove you wrong on that one!

[@HumbleBee123]

It doesnt matter to me whether or not eating meat is unhealthy. Its whether or not being vegan you can live a long healthy life, that's the important question. Yes you can be healthy as a vegan and the greatest part of this fact is you can be healthy and not take the life of several other beings in the process. Why hurt anyone when you dont have to. Some people are very selfish and this doesnt bother them. I feel bad for those people because they lack a human trait that many good people have, that's empathy. If you can empathize with an innocent being that is tortured and killed for taste pleasure or to look musclely because what you look like matters to you more that little lives. I'm glad I care for others, I would hate to be ignorant of others pain. Sadly some people lack empathy and I guess it's not their fault and those people wont be convinced. You cant make someone care if they dont. I know so many people that will hurt other people to get what they want, what chance do sweet innocent animals have. Lucky theres millions of good hearted people that do see and stop paying to hurt animals, those people are awesome and there is hope.

[@Julottt]

We dont have a lot of studies on whole meat based diet but we have and had eskimos and massais people history and their health and longevity failed pretty hard.

[@Spock_Rogers]

They don't live very long.

[@Julottt]

@@Spock_Rogers yeah with all sort of problems, advanced atherosclerosis and osteoporosis on autopsies (even on very old frozen mummies), extreme constipation, depression and a very low average longevity indeed.

[@Spock_Rogers]

@@Julottt Sorry, I didn't read your post correctly. ✌️ I guess I was just echoing what you said.

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

Yes, atherosclerosis, heart disease, certainly constipation...

[@sO_RoNerY]

@@Julotttyou realise plants were harder to find and eat, right? Especially kale, collard greens, broccoli, arugula, in which have vitamin K, and your large or small intestines turn vitamin K, into K2; no supplements required. If you go out and look for vitamin K supplements, you won’t find it on store shelves.

[@Jesse47249]

It's funny to see a guy from a country of constipated people mocking the importance of fiber.

[@English_Rose4]

I don't know how anyone could eat Animals now knowing fully well what they go through!!! If you don't know and have never seen Animal abuse, torture and slaughter it's different but still very sad for the Animals and i would hope they can educate themselves but no doubt most adults have seen it so.... 🤨👎

[@dountoothers]

Gotta thank this person Lauren for exposing this fraud, if inadvertently.

[@VeganGorilla555]

I'm a 14 year Vegan, 54 yrs old and according to BMI, I"m obese, but I have an LDL of 2.5. Who's healthier? Me or a man of the same age, 15% body fat but an LDL of 5.0? Who is most likely to get heart disease?

[@jean-chritophedesjarlais8435]

What’s your blood sugar like?

[@foodforthesoul1326]

You.

[@VeganGorilla555]

@@jean-chritophedesjarlais8435Perfect

[@BlissBlessHappiness]

Just to state an observation, In Europe I barely ever even meet overweight vegans let alone obese one`s. The US is special, but I guess with the processed food culture that the world is embracing it is becoming an increasingly mad world, no one ever before became fat from eating unprocessed plants. EVER. I wish the best for all and you.

[@VeganChiefWarrior]

Probably Sean Baker, but you know what dr McDougal says about fat vegans.. I suggest u switch to oats walnuts blueberries for breakfast, doesnthave to be sloppy cooked oats just soaked rolled oats is good, then a big salad for lunch with carrot capsicum beetroot tomato olives cucumber and avocado massaged through it, and then a Thai Green Curry for dinner with broccoli, green beans, carrot, bukchoy, rice, beans, mushrooms, ground flax seed and tumeric powder, through the day you snack on apples, fresh or frozen bananas, 2 sheets of Nori for iodine, and you take 1000mcg of sublingual b12 twice a week, get cyanocobalamin and methylcobalamin just incase U absorb 1 better than the other, and get your 15 to 30 minutes of mid day direct sunlight every day, get used to being hungry sometimes aswel, it's good for you (fasting) and drink water and tea or decaf coffee, also do some excersize daily including walking/jogging and weight training, that is how you be as healthy as a human can be and not be a fat vegan

[@Gabriele1996-u6f]

I ' feel better ' after a double whiskey.. i really do. That should not be the rule to live by. A lot of things feel good ( for a while)

[@Corilo91]

Why should every debate with carnivores end up talking about primitive humans? I don't understand why they have to move the focus away from actual scientific data and back thousands and even millions years ago. 😂

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

Thank you for sharing. I give credit to both males for having this discussion. Each one totally believes what they are saying and eating, yet they are totally opposite dietary choices, and yes--vegan is a lifestyle saving animals, while "carnivore" kills animals at every meal. Carnivore humans are terribly afraid of eating any plants and completely link their strength, virility, masculinity, testosterone, control, and dominance on eating only animals. It seems a survival instinct from past lives. Vegans have great compassion for animals, yet are not 'afraid' of eating them. One other thing fascinates me. Why do some men with large upper bodies consistently wear t-shirts that are clearly one size too small?. What "makes you feel better" is based on the deficiencies of your previous food choices. Many processed white carb, sugar-laden, nutritionless foods can easily enable an eating disorder. Yet, eating disorders are MUCH more than physical, they are largely emotional and psychological. I believe it is near impossible to have an eating disorder on just eating just animal stuff. Yet, how does this 'diet" solve the emotional issues from eating disorders, that does not make sense....

[@CtheForestthroughtheTrees]

Consider the possibility that a carnivore diet truly IS an eating disorder. Cutting out junk food, allergens and sensitivities can cause many to truly feel better, but most have been culturally programmed to believe in the "importance" of consuming meat.

[@VeganLinked]

If you watch these four videos in a row like a series starting with Dr Garth Davis and Baker debate, then Dr Nagra response, then Baker response, then Dr Nagra with Danny of lifting vegan logic response released yesterday you will clearly see how relentlessly misleading, malaligned with reality and truth Baker becomes through the process. The final outcome of responses Dr Nagra made on the lifting vegan logic channel or just priceless and completely exposed this so-called carnivore King. The three videos that followed the debate, climaxing with Dr Nagra and Danny, shed so much light on how blindly people are following Baker and how gravely Baker inflates and deflects through overgeneralizing, essentially lying, and misleading he has been and continues to be throughout the process to his audience of vulnerable people taking him seriously. Even with something as simple as responding to Dr Nagra. It was so easy to fact check what Nagra said in his initial short. But the people following Baker regurgitated Baker's nonsense under the very video that debunked what baker was saying, they couldn't even fact check a short! Dr Nagra and Danny just completely slammed dunked Baker in response to that while educating people on what's really up and essentially burying the carnivore King.

[@VeganLinked]

After watching those four videos you will see Baker is "Entertaining" without Evidence which of course equals Clown. And vulnerable people are being duped while he profits off of essentially misleading and lying to them.

[@abhayagarwal5097]

Oof ! Ty , human stupidity always surprises me. But then you realise how much bad is happening around us because of greed and everything starts making sense.

[@pipcowan]

So funny that at about the 13 minute mark Shawn starts talking about government and corporatration helping to shift people's habits. But all he ever talks about in his videos is self-determination. He is basically a libertarian and wants no intervention from anyone else. He's so full of it

[@julioandresgomez3201]

In the first months or years of a low carb diet you may feel better than ever, break personal records, so on. Cortisol and adrenaline are sky high, you also get the kick from animal hormones. In the long term it's not all sunshine and rainbows though. You see that the only healthy looking low carbers are the ones that are very young and have done it only a few years.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

Yes!!! I just learned about this and am looking into it, so apparently, a chronic hypoglycemic state causes a stress response in the body and that can explain the boost in energy AND the anti-inflammatory effects of the carnivore diet which will not be sustained long term because those are coping mechanisms, not long term processes!!!!

[@julioandresgomez3201]

That's what happens with smoking when it's still too soon for lung or heart issues. You may indeed cure by smoking.

[@theblackfleet6867]

What do heart surgeons remove when performing surgery? Carbohydrates or plaque?

[@johnnyfog8134]

What most people miss, in the comment section and in the Vegan Movement in general, is that Shawn is 100% honest and well-intentioned, even if he is completely wrong from a scientific point of view. Education and empathy is needed to move things forward. If you chose to make fun of those people, you will just radicalise them in the wrong direction.

[@michaelhoile1369]

Shawn is a lying clown. He is promoting Butcher Box for $$$$$$. He eats fruit and says he doesn't...his family doesn't eat the way he says he does...😂😂😂

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

I agree thank you

[@AaronVets]

He’s definitely not being honest...and how exactly is he being “well-intentioned” when promoting a diet that murders countless innocent animals, lowers life expectancy and destroys the environment? GTFOH. 🤡

[@ejRecording]

How do you know he's honest and well intentioned? I agree with the latter part for sure tho, no ad hominem attacks, just sharing info calmly, brotherly and non co-dependendantly

[@michaelhoile1369]

@@ejRecording look up the attacks on Mike the vegan ...Dr Michael Greger...ect etc ...

[@theresaalonzo6797]

8 years vegan and still haven't died of protein deficient.

[@karma-616]

How do people not know meat is bad in 2024?! lmao it's wild

[@sO_RoNerY]

This lady wasn’t doing right if she never ate meat and then ate it and felt way better.

[@itsamirageee]

I love Dr. Garth Davis ❤

[@oregonwoodelf]

Eating plant based is a health decision as well as a spiritual decision. And all of life IS a spiritual experience. You CANNOT separate nutrition from ethics/spirituality. It's an illusion and an easy way to dismiss that whole side of veganism. This is also why you hear so many successful vegans talk about their overall mental health, compassion, awareness, spiritual wellness, etc. improving, whereas the meat addicted folks seem to mostly focus on physical health and aesthetics. When you do it for yourself AND the animals, we all win. Not just for yourself...✌🧝🌱

[@christinaFYI]

This man (Shawn) IS married to his ideology and perhaps the other fellow is too. The difference is one is based on empathy and compassion while the other is based on brutal narcissism. Who do I want to be trapped on a hypothetical island with with just one pig, the guy who is more likely not going to try to eat me after he has devoured the pig

[@perry_123]

Instead of trying to claim my diet is better than yours lets recognize that this body was designed to survive ,thats it. Thats why all people of the world can survive eating anything,if you were to eat a meat based diet and did it with some discretion fully active and killed your own animals you could live and be just fine....But is that what were talking about here..What is going on in the world with these animals is an absolute disgrace and to try to justify this is even more disgraceful. How have we come to such a point in the world were we are so shut down that we cannot see the suffering we are creating.....So i applaud all vegans.....I have been a vegan for 50 plus years,since 16.....Doing pretty good,i climb every day weight train everyday....sleep about 6 hours at night.....My B P is around 115 over 65.....So use that for a long term study.....Do your part and we will change the world but these things take time.....

[@cookinthekitchen]

So he is saying you actually want to lower your cholesterol but that he doesn't necessarily tell that to people following the carnivore diet.

[@HegelsOwl]

Davis offers a battery of studies showing the negative effect of meat on longevity, but Baker passes in silence, @08.00ff. Interesting. And neither does Lauren offer her silly anecdote that, "Oh, but I feel good!" Here: snort a line of coke--that'll make you feel good, ma'am.

[@panes840]

This irritated me!!!!! Garth got spoken over. Meat eaters always try to drown out the vegan. Every single time . Garth was polite and let them speak. Always 2 meat eaters to x1 vegan in such debates, which really pisses me off. She came out with some sort of skewed anecdotal evidence for her so-called meat revelation! That was pathetic. Tbvh, nothing sensible was said in this video! If he isn't sponsored by big animal agriculture, then I'll eat my hat!

[@bastianelken7125]

I really missed Dr. Nagra in this debate. He was soooo good and sharp when he debated carnivore Dr. Chaffee.

[@dmbfannh]

Dr. chaffee owned him in that Debate. He kicked his ass. I don't eat no plant based diet!! I'm carnivore and I lost 60 pounds eating all meat. My depression is gone and I feel great

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

​@@dmbfannh Lol, Chaffees arguments were debunked time and time again. His own sources contradicted his opinion. Don't worry, your cardiologist will be recommending a plant based diet soon enough.

[@AaronVets]

@@dmbfannh🤣🤡

[@AaronVets]

@@dmbfannhYour depression is going to come back fast when you’re scheduled for your first quadruple bypass. 💀

[@ejRecording]

@@dmbfannhwatch the breakdown of it on liftingveganlogic channel, no denying Chaffee lost- besides the longest living healthiest people in the world ALREADY eat plant based and the vegans are measured many times, many ways in many places to be the healthiest subset, while all animal products proven to be deadly, morally psychopathic and environmentally destructive.. Also Ornish remains the only doc ever scientifically proven to reverse heart disease etc with low fat plant based etc etc etc While multiple meta analysis prove low carb diets increase death risk 40% If your LDL isn't 50-70 you won't make it to 100, studied and proven many ways

[@WFPBFORLIFE]

Dead animals are not required for health either Shawna..? Otherwise I would have died years ago. A certain subset of people? Lord how pathetic

[@Alaskaventureswithbrodie]

Why do they always say meat. To make them feel better? It’s a living breathing being that has feelings. Thats what it is.

[@plantgeezer]

‘When i ate more meat i felt more full’ …… obviously 🥴

[@paulinabeissert]

💔🐥🐄🐖Vegan for the animals 💔🐥🙏 Very very healthy ❤️✌️

[@Greywolf-ry9mc]

The most important thing here that we can all Agree on Is to avoid processed food.

[@Mhadyourfriend]

I respect Dr Baker for this

[@stevenlowe5313]

The carnivore doctor looks ill.

[@murraybrockway6540]

My second cousin died of a heart attack at 40 years old. He was lean. Many coworkers that died in their 50s are lean. So what could they have given up? Processed foods is a good starting point. One of my grandfathers died at 98. He ate lean meat, fruit and vegetables, cookies and ice cream, but had a very large waist and became diabetic and senile in old age. Sure want to avoid that. Think a fair share of my generation of family are trying to walk it off (lose weight, keep from cardiac or diabetic problems). Some change their diet and some don't.

[@FinnBearOfficial]

They gave up common sense when they took part in the recent human trials that were in fashion. Due to a cold?

[@theblackfleet6867]

The Vegan authors face looks more vibrant than these meat eaters......just saying.

[@courag1]

The carnie needs to wear a shirt that says: “I am a carnivore. You better hope my looking at you does not make me hungry, as you are made of meat too!”

[@RiPnShtUp]

10:14 This what happens when you have a real doctor speaking to a fake one. The fake one obviously missed the point.

[@okiedokie2234]

As a snake oil salesman, I really respect what Shawn is doing.

[@stookful]

He is a becon for all quacks and charlatans.

[@FURYBrenton]

He’s not a doctor anymore

[@tsebosei1285]

What do you mean

[@chedderbug2820]

​@@tsebosei1285 earthlingbrenten is a fool frolicking in their own foolishness. Zero credit to earthlingbenton.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

If he lost his license, which seems to be the rumor, I don't know because I don't follow him as I'm plant based vegan but if he did, that doesn't mean he's not a doctor because a doctor is a designation of education, not licenses. Unless they revoked his doctorate he would still be a doctor of something,

[@Shyheimz]

@@flattlandermontgomery1524he still has his medical license and is the founder of revero a clinic based on cure through diet

[@chedderbug2820]

@@flattlandermontgomery1524 Are you talking about Dr Garth Davis MD? I have no idea who these other two folks are on the screen, I'm only familiar with the famous and well-known Dr Garth Davis. A doctor can lose their license to practice but they will always have their PHD that can never be revoked. And some of them may just go off to another country and be a Dr. I was responding to a very ignorant and arrogant comment, not yours but the main commenter. It really is stupid and Petty for people to be arguing over keto paleo. There will never be a time in our lives, that people will agree upon the best diet for our bodies. That being said, it's very arrogant to criticize other ways that we may not understand or that we don't agree with just to heighten ourselves and our personal choices. The person who claims somebody is no longer a doctor, I would caution you and tell you to look up the meaning of defamation of character.

[@ceeemm1901]

Shawn Baker has a racing bike with 14 gears just dedicated for back-peddling....

[@rvalexi]

We are missing a scientific opportunity to do detailed studies on people who are volunteering to do carnivore diets. If they choose to do it, we may as well record their mortality data.

[@vmx200]

Shawn's rhetoric skills are impressive

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

While some applaud Baker for "being honest". I see that differently. He is carefully covering his ass because he wants to avoid lawsuits of someone getting sick on his "diet" and taking him to court. The sad sad thing is that he promotes something casually that kills so many gentle helpless animals, and will make many fans, sick and constipated. Yet, he has a right to make his own choices.

[@HakuCell]

the lady reports feeling better on a carnivore diet but it could just be ketones that are making her feel better.

[@sandralison7584]

There are even existing vegan ketogenic diets. Some people with epilepsy get better on ketones, and sometimes bipolar people also get better. But you still can make a plant based or vegan ketogenic diet. It is possible. If you need to for example.

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Not all fiber is created equal. Fruit fiber is the best fiber.

[@plantgeezer]

‘Theres more support for plant based in general’ what planets he on there then😂 we are the 3% against the masses

[@QueenLogic87]

Im not Vegan but Im slowely transitioning. Use to be carnivore and I was miserable.. Ive already quit, chicken, beef, pork, cheese and butter. As an endurance athlete, I can def tell the difference in my performance.. I honestly couldn't believe that I ate sticks of butter for breakfast almost every day.... urggg....

[@sassysandie2865]

Garth looks so different than he did a few years ago. He looks good.

[@davidhutchinson5233]

I'm plant based vegan, not perfect but I always strive for vegan or at least vegetarian.

[@Perenbarn]

At least I give that quack props for having a dialog with actual scientist.

[@Aurotzodeep]

Wisdom gives freedom to our kingdom

[@Fclwilson]

I am vegan for animals and the planet. It is great that a WFPB diet is healthy and sustainable. Veganism is most likely the diet of the future.

[@KerriEverlasting]

Correct! ❤️

[@BooshyBrows]

The community reliant on anecdotal evidence says let's not focus on that because it's not reliable 😬

[@joekrige2673]

I wish Shaun Baker would out and out condemn factory farming and the Farm Bill which disproportionately subsidises animal agriculture.

[@weirdunclebob]

7:35 Lauren: "I cured my eating disorder with this lifestyle and I tried everything prior to that." Also Lauren: "Granted I was having a lot of processed food, too, so I hadn't removed those before going to this carnivore lifestlye." /smdh

[@nathanielg.m.888]

`I used to have an eating disorder but now I only eat meat` 🤣 That host is such a clown

[@SuperBookdragon]

Most of the studies of the adventist community over many decades shows the health benefits and healthy longevity of WFPB eaters. Also cannot sustain everyone on a carnivore diet due to the environmental problems that would continue to create.

[@sergiomontes2568]

I wrote this song, surely you'll like it kzbin.info/www/bejne/Znvcfmemg7x5gKs I'm a carnivore, hear me roar I eat meat from dusk 'til dawn. No greens, no beans no leafy scenes, Just steak, ribs, and eg-eggs bacon dreams. Oh, my diet's grand, I'm a meat-eatin' man, I'll have another burger, if I can. But my heart's a-flutter, and my gut's in a clutter, From all this red meat, I'm starting to stut stut tut tut tut ...stutter! I scoff at salads (I laugh at fruit) Give me a T-bone (that's my pursuit) My cholesterol's soaring (my arteries clogging) But I'll never admit that my health's a-falling!!!! Oh, my diet's graaand (I'm a meat-eatin' man) I'll have another steak (if I can) But my waistline's expanding (my doctor's demanding) That I lay off the meat!!! but I'm still standiiiing!!!!! I'll grill up a sausag (sizzle up some ham) I'll devour a prime rib (don't give a damn) But my body's protesting (my health's manifesting) In ways I never imagined it's truly arrestiiing!!!! I'll chew on a brisket, munch on some jerky, But my digestion's gone wonky (oh, what a turkey!) My kidneys are groaning, my gut's in rebellion, But I'll stick to my meat!!! it's my culinary heaveeeen! Oh, my diet's grand, I'm a meat-eatin' man, Having another hotdog just becasue i caan But my doctor's despairing (my health's beyond repairing) From my carnivorous ways! there's no escapiiiing!!! As I marinate my steak (in honey-glaze so sweet) With spices that dance (and a funky beet) My taste buds tingle (with every succulent bite) But guilt starts creeping (by the kitchen light)

[@yahbin77]

Nice

[@andrewc7703]

The simple reason why people feel like crap on a vegan diet is bc of calorie density. You have to eat much much more food in terms of volume on a vegan diet compared to the SAD diet.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Peace for all of humanity begins on our plate ~VEGAN~ Stop eating animals.

[@jimdandy8996]

"I'm not married to this?" Have you seen his videos?

[@bikbikkidbik2895]

The best diet is the one that works for you regardless

[@chriswills9437]

In 2000 Dean Ornish accused Atkins of never having done a study with (it is now 45) millions of books sold. Here we are in 2024 and Baker says there is no data. Same old story. I am going with the Garth ´data´ Davis. Atkins died in 2003 riddled with atherosclerosis.

[@gwb8445]

Everyone should eat what they want and feel is best for them. For me it's 99.9% meat. I enjoy it and weight and blood tests are great. Eat whatever you want. I will continue to eat meat, meat and more meat.

[@artvsmachine]

Garth Davis didn't get to talk much.