CARNIVORES VS VEGANS: A Debate for the Ages!

[@hamstarist]

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As a non-native, I had hard time understanding because of echo. It'd be nice if you could figure out how to make it clearer.

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

Great stuff

[@jasonanthonywilper]

Yes but you should have kept the vegans from interupting, should have also told them to stay on point and stop moving the goalpost. Chaffee was arguing the biological medical nutritional biochemistry side while the two goons were circlejerking about “ethics”. You have to play referee more in a debate like this and structure and order arguments and tell people to shut up when its not their talking time.

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

@@jasonanthonywilper it was a debate. that's the point. and Chaffee had all the time to make whatever points he wanted. stop crying you damn snowflake Lion

[@luciavasile2895]

#1 dr. Anthony Chaffee💪🧠🫀🫁🦷🦴👀. He is saving lives, including mine. God bless you dr. Anthony Chaffee🙏🤝🤲

[@NianioNostimos]

The only absolute scientific fact i gained from this debate is that vegans are way more annoying than carnivores.

[@jrsp6480]

😂😂😂

[@Skimbledimble]

That is well established. The closest thing to settled science 😂

[@Annie-wx3kc]

😂😂😅

[@virusmyth4930]

That's because they dont come from a rational place, but from and emotional place which is the root of their ideology (empathy for the animals). So after the ideology is incorporated as part of their identity, any questioning of their ideology is perceived (on a subconscious level) as an existential threat. It's kind of a mental disease from which they cant break away, unless they suffer an even greater trauma, some of physical nature, like a physical disease caused by the diet, which will then on some cases make them review their stance. Unless something powerful like that hapens, they'll remain attached to their emotional construct, cos it validates their identity as being righteous and virtuous, essentially making tham thing they are better than anyone else who's not on the same boat.

[@LyndaHill]

​@@virusmyth4930Totally.

[@rubykennedymedia]

Carnivores calm, vegans rage

[@peterhoatson]

Exactly! More B12, sir?

[@veganix6757]

Carnivores no ethics or science to back them. Vegans ethics, logic and science to back them

[@richardcardinale7152]

​@@veganix6757vegoon buffoon logic and science .. yeah sure lol

[@gavinistheawesomest]

Just like predators and prey. Predators are calm and in control. Prey animals are finicky and quick to overreact out of fear.

[@jamesjacobson8207]

It's the lack of proper nutrition for their brains.

[@drseanpatrick696]

The only thing vegans are proving is, how important red fatty meat is for your mental and physical health.

[@nksb3530]

exactly!

[@Flamingben]

More egan melt down - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKPGYXqEZrqdr9Usi=hXf-DiVvfnihFtIU

[@wickywills]

Zing!

[@Flamingben]

More proof - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKPGYXqEZrqdr9Usi=xLvK3DS4j9dokLZj - stupid vegans.

[@stx7389]

Cope meatflake

[@vinylsparks]

Anthony Chaffee is so patient. He could keep his cool and answer back so calmly.

[@stevemcniel9515]

Mear based diets do that. That was the main difference I noticed when I cut out plants. I wnet from high strung and anxious to level headed and calm.

[@Barnaclebeard]

He literally refused to answer every question put to him.

[@supermanclark35]

@@Barnaclebeardlol

[@uploadingjoy9120]

She called him a psychopath in the first 2 minutes. When you resort to name-calling off the bat, you've already lost the debate.

[@TC-yx1qt]

Emotions over logic

[@robertoperaza2683]

Agreed and very disappointed with the moderators for not stopping those insults from the very beginning ❤

[@vganbooty]

No I didn't call him a psychopath. I said if you believe being against animal abuse and murder is a "sham" then you must be a psychopath.

[@robertoperaza2683]

@@vganbooty quick question for you if you don't mind. Are you in or against abortion?

[@ashamahee]

@@vganbooty either go and study and learn to debate or give it up, you vegans are standing out as pathetic amateurs in this debate. You are going off from emotions and feelings instead of facts and logic. Even if you were right no one would take you serious.

[@dirkmoolman]

I wish Sally Norton was sitting next too Anthony Chaffee. Let an ex-vegan debate the vegans.

[@supersonicsenses]

And Lierre Keith!

[@familyman8439]

Right

[@Damcarnivore]

I would prefer Phil Ascot, much funnier.

[@Damcarnivore]

@@user-cp4jd2hm2cI wouldn’t it was very good.

[@saszablaze1]

I know tons of ex vegan ex carnivore/keto, returned vegans I know many ex paleo or keto all their life, turned raw vegan thriving. You can find really sick ppl in every diet, but a whole food plantbased high or exclusively raw vegan diet is the only diet that is best for our species, longterm, as it's our species-specific diet

[@frank6250]

No socks were harmed during the making of this video.

[@margaretblack8538]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, good one Frank. I noticed that as well.

[@goaway7163]

Omg 😂😂😂😂

[@LizWeaverNZ]

Underrated comment!!

[@Maintain_Decorum]

😂😂😂

[@MS45636]

Fashion is so crazy, im in my 40s now and it looks so bizarre to see these people with no socks. Few years from now nobody will be doing this look but at the time they cant see beyond it haha

[@meganbaird0609]

Idaho farm girl here. I have sat in the cab of a tractor and so many animals die when plowing up a field. Rabbits, snakes, wood chucks, mice, frogs, insects just to name a few. Then again when it is harvested. To say no animals die for a vegan diet is false. Either way animals suffer and die so we can eat. I have celiac disease and so many grains are untouchable for me. My father is currently dying a slow painful death from colon cancer caused by untreated celiac that progressed to cancer and while following the whole grain diet. We are not all the same and I personally have healed many issues on a keto diet.

[@walter....]

An omnivore diet uses much more farmland than a plant based diet, thus much more crop deaths too. I know vegans who eat a gluten free diet.

[@leof.]

@@walter.... Nope! Most animal food are byproducts, not the crops itself. And plant based dieters still wear cotton and use lumber or rubber which causes more crop deaths.

[@judyhonigbrot7126]

let alone that sometimes whole habitats are broken down to start plantages

[@earthpart3]

Here's the thing, you guys throw out this BS of "vegans think they cause no harm" but literally not a single vegan thinks that way, it's just some weak bs you can spout to try to help your argument because you don't have one.

[@leof.]

@@earthpart3 It is not that you think it cause no harm. It is actually cause the MOST harm, both in the number of killed and the gas emission. Show me your data and I will debunk it.

[@ShelbakayRobertson]

The vegan guy is such an angry little interrupter Let Chaffee finish

[@ryanwellington7493]

Can tell he's intimidated by Chaffe's presence and trying to overcompensate

[@cornstar1253]

​@nathanjohnson4299 female emotional characteristics

[@GarudaLegends]

He tapped into his full feminine energy.

[@janvidezark]

@@ryanwellington7493 It would probably be difficult facing a big, handsome, cut, buff, tanned guy whose buttons are about ready to pop off

[@Hamburgers4Haiti]

@nathanjohnson4299 Nah, it's estrogen.

[@gitusiukas]

Why vegans are so aggressive? Why can’t arguments be presented in a polite way?

[@sebk174]

Malnutrition

[@AlanReid-q9x]

@@sebk174 There is something in meat that makes us calm and logical, vegans do not get it as you can see with these two kids.

[@troykite3838]

Or maybe because they’re frustrated with the justification of abuse and murder

[@inthevortex-de1rh]

Bc they are miserable

[@ijumaaproductions]

lack of animal fat and cholesterol

[@phossilphil4201]

Juries out, the vegans have convinced me I need to go carnivore. Will start early next month, once my freezer is empty of anything that contains plants. Thanks for proving how unstable just eating plants makes someone!😂

[@ChewyChicken589]

I've been on it for 2 months and I'm getting ripped without working out.

[@YassenChapkanov]

Lol the first sentence killed me😂

[@spaceman51974]

Painful to listen to vegans. Getting a headache.

[@sn1per196]

what about the pain the animals go through for your meat tortured abused and in slaved there whole life

[@veganix6757]

U don’t have an argument against them

[@The40yearoldVegan]

@@DDigglermother cows not beef. Only the weak enslave others needlessly.

[@virusmyth4930]

@@sn1per196 the pain is 0,1% of the life's animal. Why not talking about the 99,9% of the life's animal where it has comfort, food, water and protection from weather, diseases, pests and predators while not easily enjoying none of that in the wild. Why focusing on the 0,1% and sweeping the other 99,9% under the carpet just to suit your ideology? It's not torture and abuse, as this would be detrimental to the animal's health and impact the farmer's bottom line. It is in the farmer's best interest to treat the animal as best as possible. and if the farmer is actually guilty of malpractice, just boycott the meat from that farmer, not meat entirely.

[@kayc7442]

They start with the health argument, then move to the animal rights argument, then finish with the protect the planet argument.

[@NithusezniSezni]

Carnivores: here are the reasons for my belief. Vegans: i have feelings.

[@Flamingben]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKPGYXqEZrqdr9Usi=3rdRnnloGhx7Q95_

[@gmnotyet]

All of Leftism is based on EMOTION.

[@Flamingben]

@@gmnotyet Do you mean emotions like this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKPGYXqEZrqdr9Usi=hXf-DiVvfnihFtIU

[@jacklevoska8860]

​@gmnotyet I'm as lefty as they come and I'm carnivore. Politics are not a good measuring stick as your health doesn't much care about liberal v conservative.

[@Yasqo]

The irony. Carnivores have beliefs but vegans have evidence. Not sure what went through your head when you watched this. I guess if someone murdered you for a nutrient, that would be ok, because it’s natural, right babe?

[@bossanova4982]

For me, once they compare humans to animals they loose the argument...

[@jinkazama2555]

agreed.

[@ruthanna4713]

Well, humans are sentient beings, just as animals are.

[@GarudaLegends]

​@@ruthanna4713 humans are not plants or animals. Plants and animals are human food.

[@SweetPotatoTyler]

Chaffee did the exact same thing when he applied the appeal to nature fallacy.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@SweetPotatoTyler no he didn't. Many humans live in the wild. 🤡

[@arturskirps2792]

Meeting between two emotional children and adults.

[@earthpart3]

Yeah, those animal abusers have no clue.

[@Sikander_37]

​@@earthpart3Yeah these vegans are real animal abusers.

[@adimanika]

Going carnivore is what improved and/or fully healed the horrible health issues I was struggling with for decades. I initially tried for 4 years to be vegan in hopes to heal things but my health only deteriorated further. Huge mistake. After I switched to being meat based, I reached the best shape I've ever been in my adult life! I'm very grateful to have learned from many EX-VEGANS about the benefits of being meat based. Many of them express regret for the damage veganism did to their health, as well as embarrassment at being so naive and misled before.

[@familyman8439]

thx for sharing

[@AP-bo1if]

potato diet does the same thing

[@cassclare]

Yes! Ilasted only 3 years

[@charlottesmom]

@@AP-bo1if I’d weigh 300lbs if I could eat my beloved potatoes daily!

[@AP-bo1if]

@@charlottesmom wrong!

[@AmandaViolinGirl]

Vegans are you aware of how many rodents, slugs and snails get killed for a farmer to protect his crop?

[@mrxanadu82]

They block out that fact. 😊

[@Meathead-10810]

Not to mention birds, pigs, kangaroos, deer, predator animals that eat the poisoned rodents!

[@peterhoatson]

@@mrxanadu82 Because they're not sentient beings they say. But if the whole ecosystem is eradicated due to moderm agricultural practices then there won't be any semtient beings left!

[@CarnismDebunked]

Veganism minimises crop deaths; Carnism maximises them.

[@veganix6757]

Yeah much less than wild land or grass land and all the crops animals eat. Because farmers defend their land u can murder animals for a taste preference? How sick

[@whatthis4366]

Have been vegan for about 10 years and eaten as 'clean, healthy and diversified' plants as possible. Ended up with lupus symptom, my doc sent me to the autoimmune specialist. I started to Plan my funeral in my 40's since lupus can kill me anytime ugly. Two month ago I switch to animal based diet. So far no flare up since then

[@AnneMB955]

That’s a wonderful story. Well done. 👏

[@jayhoggard92]

Meat heals.

[@iloveseaglass]

So glad you were opened minded to try meat. So many have been healed with meat. I read the comments and am overwhelmed with all the healing that is happening to people especially those that were so ill. Thankful

[@veganpowerlab]

“It's likely that lupus results from a combination of your genetics and your environment. It appears that people with an inherited predisposition for lupus may develop the disease when they come into contact with something in the environment that can trigger lupus. The cause of lupus in most cases, however, is unknown. Some potential triggers include: sunlight, infections, medications.” from mayo clinic. If your doctor said that it’s the plants you eat then you have to change doctors. Also, being vegan means you’re against animal exploitation, abuse and slaughter. Am i to understand that you are no longer against it?

[@spirulina3924]

Eating vegan makes you more sensitive cause you eat less dense food. That's why your symptoms kicked in, your soul communicated to you and you were sensitive enough to receive it. Carnivore "food" is much more dense (slower/lower vibrating energy). Your soul gets suppressed. Sickness/Symptoms is your soul wanting to heal and communicate with you, and symptoms are manifested energy into the physical of what is not in balance within you. You just gonna suppress the topic behind the symptom if you eat dense food but not gonna solve it. Autoimmune disease means you are disconnected from yourself and fighting your true self, your body shows you by turning against itself. With lupus it is often a topic of shame. You are doing something (it can be thoughts, emotions you foster that are actually against you instead of supporting yourself, it can be habits, a career, relationships, a lifestyle etc. ) that destroys yourself and your body is just showing this to you and people call it lupus.

[@RiverReeves23]

Carnivores: I found a diet that is helping me. Vegans: EVERYONE NEEDS TO EAT LIKE ME OR ELSE!!!

[@jenniferpetrillo580]

Ate a whole food plant based diet, no processed food and sugar and little alcohol. I began developing autoimmune symptoms and WBC issues, loss of strength and leaky gut. I am now eating quality animal products and healing and feeling stronger.

[@EnchiladaJoe]

You tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Beware of karma.

[@danimal2659]

My nutritional blood tests showed I had multiple deficiencies on a vegan diet. I really tried. I was convinced by the ethical, environmental, and nutrition claims. I was wrong. I had other issues that needed to be resolved surgically. Plant-based nutrition and bad orthodontic care contributed to the reason I needed these surgeries. Seventh Day Adventists are also responsible for male genital mutilation in the USA and the pseudoscience behind that. It took me four years off and on to overcome my cognitive dissonance. I invested time and energy into a vegan lifestyle. It was hard to be wrong. My blood levels are perfect now. I take no meds or supplements. Steak and eggs. Favorite foods since I was a kid and got talked out of it by well-meaning ignorant people. I’m very sorry to others for promoting veganism. I hurt myself. I hurt others by being wrong. It’s more ethical to eat meat.

[@BestLifeMD]

Autoimmune symptoms? But not a medically diagnosed autoimmune disease? And there is no medical diagnosis of "leaky gut" . What's wrong with an omnivore diet? I just don't get the extremes. It seems cultish or ED.

[@jacklevoska8860]

​@BestLifeMD don't be cheeky. Gut permeability is an observed medical phenomenon.

[@HappilyCarnivore]

@@BestLifeMD An omnivore diet makes me very ill. The ONLY way that I feel healthy and good is eating carnivore. It's that simple.

[@evad8262]

I was vegeterian many years. NEVER would I have thrown a tantrum, because somebody else was eating meat at the table. (as a matter of fact - my husband was eating meat all the time I wasn‘t. He was ok me not eating meat. I was ok him eating meat. That is called tolerant). How rude these vegans act. Unbelievable!

[@asarcadyn2414]

That's why nobody has an issue with vegetarians 👍.

[@EnchiladaJoe]

Go vegan why be an udder sucker or chicken period eater when there is no need and it’s extremely unhealthy. Also divorce your husband unless he goes vegan, stop being such a fence siting push over and do what you know is right.

[@Assassin99584]

@@EnchiladaJoethanks for showing how brain dead you are

[@m007mm]

I would have forced you to eat dairy based ice cream sprinkled with pieces of bacon!

[@saszablaze1]

That's coz you're apathetic or a codependent apologist

[@ladyhawk6999]

Carnivore: "Eat what you want ." Vegan: " Eat my way or you are an unethical psychopath."

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

they have a point though.

[@worthyprince]

@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 they have no point lol

[@enelhorno2024]

@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 vegans kill more animals in the end

[@Miraak1868]

@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 Vegans have no point.

[@saszablaze1]

These same carnivores say "we are hypercarnivores, it's our natural diet" It's not. Scientifically, anthropologically, anatomically, ad infinitum.

[@ShelbakayRobertson]

Those vegans are a INSUFFERABLE. Why are they refusing to let them finish one sentence.

[@sn1per196]

whys the carnivore not answer a single question

[@CarnivoreS8N]

Probably because they think in some way he is correct. Which Anthony is correct.

[@JennifertxCarnivore]

Their neurological damage from eating plant based!

[@JennifertxCarnivore]

These vegan woke left people are misinforming public and harming human health knowing it! They don’t really care about animals or our planet! They want to remove all wildlife and replace with human infrastructure! They are harming trillions of animals with their mono cropping toxic plant foods! So much harm, including health of humans. These woke left vegan influencers speaking misinformation will eventually end up in court! They are saying false toxic info, they are lying about what they are saving (which is nothing), and they are harming humans and bothering people under the age of 18 by hanging out in those hang out areas! Parents need to train their family under 18 on how to handle these woke left vegan people from these toxic agendas of veganism

[@sulev111]

@@sn1per196 He answered every question. Vegans simply don't like the answers or admit that their premise is flawed.

[@TheKritter91]

14:42 "i dont really care if you can be healthy on a carnivore diet" There you have it folks

[@Dalik1000]

Just wait when the vegans learn that plants are also living.

[@peterhoatson]

Haha, but they're not sentient beings, though

[@jancuxje]

it's about sentience dude

[@meganb3739]

@@peterhoatson Read The Hidden Life of Tree. They are sentient.

[@peterhoatson]

@@meganb3739 I was joking. I was parodying the vegans and their main point of conjecture

[@sn1per196]

ye bud stepping on grass is the same as cutting a pigs head off totally dont hurt the grass its living! bahaha

[@LyndaHill]

I thrive on carnivore. I'll never eat vegetables again. After a lifetime of insomnia, body aches and IBS, and later in life, restless legs and arthritis pain through the roof, four years ago, I went carnivore, all those issues stopped and my lifetime depression disappeared.

[@jayhoggard92]

Meat heals.

[@camwhitman5425]

Vegan is just a starvation fast, yet full of phytotoxins. Plants don’t digest in human stomach acid, but when consumed with animal foods that do, they interfere with the digestion and bioavailability of those animal foods. Plant foods are required to ferment in the gut before they can be evacuated from the body. Plant foods fermenting in the gut provide only 6-9% of the body’s total nutritional requirements - too late in the digestive tract to absorb any suitable nutrition. Animal foods are the only foods the human body needs for optimal nutrition .

[@iloveseaglass]

So happy you found the food that been healing so many.

[@SocialWriting]

You did a elimination diet, clearly something was triggering these reactions, not all the other food groups.

[@LyndaHill]

@SocialWriting Yeah, I eliminated grains and vegetables. And I've got several friends that saw my improvements and are now on it and thriving and pain free. What's your point?

[@dimitriradoux]

Anserine Choline Carnitine Creatine Carnosine Heme iron Arachidonic acid Docosahexaenoic acid Conjugated linoleic acid Eicosapentaenoic acid Taurine Retinol D3 Menaquinones B12 … 🤫

[@jeovanniperez3949]

Every nutrient you listed is classified conditional essential nutrient other than b-12 and my b-12 levels came back at 951 and I’m vegan

[@francescarosalia3839]

and god knows how many more nutrients we don't know about

[@granthepworth6955]

@@jeovanniperez3949 Enjoy your future autoimmune disorder.

[@dimitriradoux]

@@jeovanniperez3949 it’s not because your body can make some of those nutrients from precursors that you actually can make enough or even have enough of the precursors and for example some of these like the omega 3 fatty acids, those are the actual essential ones, and some people can not convert enough of the precursor ALA in these acids, which is quite well documented in the literature on the subject.

[@alex_4trth]

Very good

[@tinakathleen8571]

When we were vegan i became diabetic because its not stable for blood sugars to eat plants all day.

[@robynatkins1679]

That's because you weren't doing it correctly.

[@neotokyo385]

​@@robynatkins1679funny, that's what the communists said too. "oh, that wasn't real communism, if we do it correctly it will be fine 😊"

[@matthewwhitefield3438]

@@robynatkins1679🤡

[@farmer_donny]

I'm a recently retired farmer and I never used pesticides on my forage grass. Nor did I kill the moles or Badgers. The majority of my fields were also of unsuitable quality and too steep to use for plant crops. I don't think my sheep thought they were slaves, and they never complained of rape by my ram.

[@KatsCorner]

Thank you for supplying good food to the people and giving your sheep a good life.

[@denizkenger52]

On carnivore diet btw but just wondered, how would you know whether they complained of rape by your ram. Surely even if they did, you wouldn’t understand what they’re saying.

[@farmer_donny]

@@denizkenger52 it's all down to body language.

[@tribalbabymum]

​@farmer_donny Aa a child I lived for a time on a sleep farm. The ewes and rams would pair up naturally with each other for a few days and go on their way naturally, it was the season for it!

[@AP-bo1if]

plants don't need to be grown with pesticides. but putting that point aside. the reality is most animals are factory farmed and crops are grown to feed tens of billions of animals. you have no valid argument against veganism. not even one.

[@rogerweigel7925]

One thing I do know is that I don't want to wind up acting and sounding like these vegans.

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

veganism is an ethical position. if you valued animals a lot like vegans and there were death camps all around you, and you were powerless to do anything about it, you'd get a little crazy as well.

[@bperry1825]

You have to be crazy to put yourself in the vegan mindset in the first place. @@snivvelslurderagementai2560

[@moneyhoon5044]

I would say the exact same thing about the carnivore doctor.

[@jamesmeehan4209]

There are some debates that vegan shouldn't get involved with and this is one

[@TheRobojay]

@@moneyhoon5044 You prefer the stance of the fidgety individuals that choose feelings over logic?

[@anthonygutierrez5360]

I’ve wanted a debate like this for so long. Great job guys. Anthony killed it and the vegans were quite hostile in the beginning but Anthony’s patience and knowledge carried their argument, truly believe him and his partner won this debate by a landslide.

[@Ezramicon]

This is very entertaining, but not very fruitful, as always 😂

[@AnneMB955]

@@EzramiconFruitful? That’s very plant based of you.

[@AnneMB955]

Anthony is so knowledgeable and patient. Virtues that always win through.

[@michaelcorleonelfc2407]

Anthony put on a master class

[@michaelcorleonelfc2407]

Wasn't even close tbh . The vegans failed badly

[@josephbarker91]

These vegans have never seen a farm.

[@enyamills5262]

Use to work on one, took pigs to the abattoir. Wasn't long after I went vegan

[@josephbarker91]

@@enyamills5262 I didn't say All vegans. I just said these ones.

[@SusanBloemhof]

Oh gosh... myself and my sisters were on the same journey that these young people are now on, for 20yrs or longer... In my 40s I developed ME/CFS & Fibriomyalgia; my twin has 3 or 4 Autoimmune illnesses and my youngest sister - Vegan for 35 yrs developed kidney failure and was on dialysis for 4 yrs... she passed away in 2017 age 47 leaving behing her twin girls with Autism. All in the name of moral ethics. 7 yrs on a Vegan diet is nothing... a life-time is nothing but damaging. I've been eating Carnivore since 2022 and feel so much better. Thank you Dr Chaffee... my husband and I have been following your channel. All the best, Sue from Cape Town, SA.

[@codeeater0]

47 is too young 😞 Thankyou for sharing.

[@Nature-s7g]

Do you know about Indian diets? Many Indians spend their entire lives happily without meat. All these diseases you mentioned are more likely to be seen in the western world with meat based diets. Many of our Indian foods are vegan by Default.

[@annakempinsky3825]

Vegan seit 4 Generationen. Erbkrank,Stoffwechselkrank, ständig Brainfog. Mit 28 auf einmal Hunger auf Leber. Noch nie fitter u besser geschlafen als Mit Fleisch.leider.

[@neell3]

Oh gosh, sorry to hear that Sue, that is sad to hear. I too have been on this same journey for 30 years plus. Touch wood, I feel healthier than ever. I run 20k faster than I did when I was in my early twenties. I haven't been to the doctor in over 10 years. People who are vegan develop ailments same as meat eaters. How do we conclude that it was the diet that directly caused the ailment?

[@Nature-s7g]

First of all, what is a carnivore? Do you only eat meat? I would be very worried to go near a person who is a Carnivore. This is just not the right word to describe human diet, to begin with, as we are omnivores, opportunistic omnivores. I am very sad to hear about your story, and my best wishes for your health, I doubt that this is because of vegan diet. If this was true, then my entire family would have diseases like you mentioned because all our 3 generations consist of vegetarians and Vegans. I have lots of friends coming from Jainism which is a similar diet, and have had a long Indian history before even "veganism" word was suggested. Many Indian diets have been Vegan by default. Unlike West, it is not a challenge for many to be vegetarian in India as we were grown up that way, and we have never seemed to have any problems.

[@Ezramicon]

Interrupt, misinterpret, lie, repeat.

[@modernrider1398]

yep

[@veganix6757]

U have no justification for what u do to animals.

[@ryanwellington7493]

​@@veganix6757 I've got a couple, ecosystem's need predators to work and we need meat to be healthy.

[@veganix6757]

@@ryanwellington7493 hahahah. Pity u can’t back your claim with any study. Lair

[@JosephBrownlee-dh9cs]

​@@veganix6757my personal justification is Simple some animals were made created to be killed and eaten for our human body's for nutrients and others great benefits.tgats what I believe as a Creationist believer by God. So you do not have to agree, and I do not have to debate in that.because that's what I stand and believe is my justification for kiling some animals not all period. Now I'm not going to debate in this because that will be a waste of my time and yours about my justification.😊

[@NikolineMyrvang]

Being plant based for 3 years ruined my health, carnivore now, even stronger, healthier and more vital than ever before.

[@saszablaze1]

You did it wrong

[@NikolineMyrvang]

@@saszablaze1You can tell me that all you want, but does not change the fact that my health was crippeling, my bloodwork was "fine" but i felt and looked like crap. I took all the supplements, ate ALOT of food(the whole rainbow) and had a so called balanced protein profile, but my body did neither gain weight nor improve energylevels and brainfuction. Now i'm radically changed i have gained a healthy weight, have optimal hormone levels, no bloating and/or gas, my brain is clear and sharp, my teeth remineralized themselfs and regrew, I have energylevels and a stamina/capacity that is through the roof! I feel and look amazing all thanks to a whole food animal and meat based diet. Happy for you if the diet and lifestyle works for you, it did not for me. All the best to you and your future☺

[@amitkoren948]

​@@saszablaze1such a bad diet when you need thousand of pills to supplement and hundreds of rules to make it work. When you eat optimal food aka meat. It's simple. One rule. Eat when you're hungry and until you're satiated.

[@anthonybruno8965]

I call bs. Chaffee said people already eat 75% plants. Wtf were you doing?

[@anneventura1230]

Me too, never again :)

[@Maliksaidawi12]

Vegans thinking human are animals is actually insane!

[@humblerenell1015]

Animals has feeling. Every organ in them like us. Even blood. Lack of knowledge.

[@thomassinikangas]

Humans are animals! That is something not only vegas can agree upon. Only going to be the most extreme religious people out of one of the Abrahamic religions that'll argue otherwise.

[@fadinglight7103]

People denying evolution in this day and age is insane - flat earth type of levels

[@grantharding8868]

I am a human being with a digestive system that has evolved and designed to consume animal meat and fats.

[@RR_85]

So why not eat it raw?

[@metal7core]

​@@RR_85Clearly it's a possibility, there are some carnivores that prefer to eat it raw, but also... it is estimated that human ancestors began using fire for cooking approximately 1.9 million years ago, according to archaeological evidence found at sites such as Wonderwerk Cave in South Africa. This ability not only allowed them to cook food, which facilitated digestion and increased nutrient availability, but also provided them with warmth, protection, and the ability to scare off predators at night. The use of fire marked an important milestone in human evolution and has significantly influenced our history and development as a species. 😚

[@SciSciToys]

Also with a history of short life, yes we evolved eating this but you forget we also lived long enough to spread our seed then nature deleted us

[@bobsam5982]

​@RR_85 you can

[@RR_85]

@@metal7coreOur bodies acid is not the same of that of animals that do eat raw flesh which is ideal for killing bacteria/parasites found in meat. Even the way we chew our food has a part in how we digest our foods which is different of that of a true carnivore. But even on top of that, the fact that folks have options to eat healthier/full of nutrient foods that are not of animal flesh and still do so is just sad. But to each their own.

[@trilbywye3944]

Cows in a green field are NOT enslaved.

[@EnchiladaJoe]

You’re brainwashed if you think the majority of meat consumed is from animals in a field.

[@spirulina3924]

You laying golden eggs (paying ridiculous high taxes) for a government that embezzles your tax money is you not being a slave either? You are what you eat. You are a victim if you eat victims. You are unconscious if you eat dead food. Look deeper. John Rose solid food vacation here on KZbin, he is over 65 and healthy as fruit.

[@paultishler6013]

Most cows aren’t in a green field they are in factory farms which means enslaved and imprisoned

[@paultishler6013]

@jack12343 l I’ve in Australia here most cows yes are in fields grazing but that is a minority word wide, the majority off cows are in giant feed lots being fed grains not their natural diet. Watch conspiracy mate on you tube.

[@paultishler6013]

@jack12343 meant to write cow spiracy on you tube.

[@LyndaHill]

I'll say it: I thrive on carnivore. Never been healthier or happier.

[@earthpart3]

Anecdotes

[@LyndaHill]

@@earthpart3 Bizarre comment.

[@upsidedown487]

Do you drink coffee?

[@Hyacinth_Rose]

Lies

[@LyndaHill]

@Hyacinth_Rose Yeah right random person with no clue. 😅

[@MikeM.1971.GenX.]

it was an unfair debate, two doctors verses two emotional activists. one side calm and respectful, the other side rude, and aggressive. I don't need to say who is who.

[@alexanderthegreatwasstraight]

Unfortunately dude they put themselves in the positions to engage these discussions and debates by their extreme activism and vocalism about the stance.

[@cattywampusmcdoogle]

If i wasn't a meat eater before this debate... i sure the hell am a meat eater now.

[@troykite3838]

That’s sad to hear

[@cattywampusmcdoogle]

@troykite3838 Yeah, they were sad to hear... so sad that all they could do was try to manipulate the emotional ideology based on their decisions of what may or may not be "moral"......

[@troykite3838]

@@cattywampusmcdoogle the vegans are there for the animals, the carnivores are there for themselves. The thing is that most meat eaters will contradict their morals, because humans are generally compassionate beings. Hence all the deflection

[@cattywampusmcdoogle]

@troykite3838 The only thing the vegans were correct on when it came to animals (which are food) was the incorrect way the slaughter houses and/or feed lots conduct commercial business. Morals by whose standards? The animals murdering vegans don't get to set their morals as standard for the rest of us... especially if they are going to call us mammals, then they need to accept that carnivores are gonna do what mammals do and that's eat other animals.....

[@Thanatos2996]

@@troykite3838correction: the vegans are there for the animals, while the carnivores are there for humans.

[@ziigii46]

How to justify breading and killing animals for food? The same way they justify planting and killing plants for food. Something has to die for you to eat. There is no way around it.

[@SciSciToys]

There is a way around it, eqt flowers and leaves, technically maybe you could live off those, flowere = broc cauliflower capers artochoke figs chamomile dandelions pineapple i think is a flower, friuts also can be eaten without killing animals avocado olives etc are all friuts, i cant eat most of theae cause i have histamine intolerance so have to go carnivore to heal in order to go flower based hmm

[@ziigii46]

@@SciSciToys Also milk and honey. Wouldn't you agree?

[@kcluvznf]

Yep... it's unfortunate, we live in a predacious universe and everything is consciousness, as consciousness is fundamental. And even if you are a realist, they've proven scientifically that plants have sentience and call out, react, etc to threats. 🤷‍♀️ there is just no way around it all...

[@RowanFey]

One thing I'm really surprised didn't get brought up is that lions and wolves don't feel bad when they kill animals to feed themselves, because that's what they were designed to do, so if animal meat is the optimal source of food for us as well, why should we feel bad?

[@RowanFey]

Just noticed I'm only halfway through, so hey maybe it is said, but I don't think I can get through the whole thing. Vegans are exhausting

[@TerrainTraining]

My ears are hurting. I was hoping for an intelligent and strong debate. Instead I hear constant stupidity from ignorant children who are clearly out of their depth. I'm yet to find a debate where a vegan can' debate without aggression 😢

[@nicolaspirlet]

Check out Earthling Ed

[@nicolaspirlet]

Or « Don’t eat anything with a face »

[@nicolaspirlet]

I could give you hundreds

[@MrMking1991]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXeph2OtapqeaKssi=ymQMids-CuD0RW7M This debate has this same carnivore doctor.

[@leviahimsa]

There are many professional debates on the ethics of killing other animals. I recommend seeing Philip Wollens stuff. The only diet ever scientifically shown to reverse our leading cause of human death (Cardiovascular Disease kills 33% of humans), with 99.4% success, is a *Whole Food Plant Based* diet. -Esselstyn, journal Family Practice

[@sue2611]

At the end of the day, this young couple's feelings are hurt because others eat meat. My health is more important than their feelings. It would be interesting to hear what their opinions are in 20 years.

[@jacquia.2606]

I went to a whole plant based diet and years later my health was so much worse. I ended up tired beyond belief, I had so much joint pain that there were times I couldn't walk. Although I ate a 'carefully planned', 'well balanced', 'cooked from scratch' plant based diet, I ended up beside myself with how unwell I was. Thankfully, there are Drs like Dr Chaffee who have the courage to highlight the deficiencies in a plant based diet. As a side note, during the years I only ate plants, I never identified as a vegan as I often found those who did call themselves vegan seemed to have forgotten how to speak kindly to and about others who have different preferences to themselves.

[@rogerweigel7925]

My story exactly.

[@danimal2659]

Me too. Vegans made me reluctant to be vegan. At times, I got obnoxious. I was scared because of my health issues and wanted others to validate me while I was making my health worse. So embarrassing. 🙈

[@The3wilks]

Me too, same so I get really angry with this 2 vegans talking with no brains.

[@darbybashnick824]

Ughh.. it is painful listening to this debate. The Vegan / Vegetarian arguments are emotion-based and share the same influence tactics that ideological cults use.

[@louislowstress]

Perfect observation.

[@HappyBeeTV-BeeHappy]

Agreed!

[@saszablaze1]

Nah mate, science. True science. We are frugivores. Species-specific diet is plantbased Emotion based maybe, because we care about murdered, enslaved, raped animals. If we were talking about paedophilia or rape of humans, or human trafficking, I'm sure you'd be a bit emotional too.

[@jovotszebb367]

​@@saszablaze1 grow up

[@skeej_]

You know what's painful? Reading your whiny ass comment. You know what's more painful? Being an animal on a farm, exploited and abused for a burger or nuggie.

[@jeniedwards5999]

I am one of those patients who has benefited significantly from eliminating plants.

[@crusher1980]

Me too, no inflamtion anymore on my gum and doctors couldnt help me. It really was just by coincidence because I wanted to lose weight / cut for spring/summer and if I cut I usually ate Keto but then came across Carnivore and gave it a shot and then noticed my inflamation/pain was gone.

[@amitkoren948]

I really laughed when vegans replied that they don't know any vegan who is sick. Youre too young to see it in your friends and you are not a doctor. The sickly do not come to you for advice.

[@brip799]

@@amitkoren948plus, its a lie because there have been MANY just here on youtube that had tons of followers. Every time it happens the same. They are praised while theyre vegan, the community loves them and follows their “what i eat in a day” videos talking about how GREAT their meals are.. then one day they post and say they are quitting because of one health issue or another and the whole vegan community “cancels” and shames them. They say they are lying, selfish, were NEVER really vegan and the funniest part? That they “didnt do it right” lol. 🙄

[@earthpart3]

Another liar presenting anecdotes with gullible morons clicking the like button

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

one of hundreds of thousands :)

[@bperry1825]

18:02 Vegan PoV... "Oh shit we're not winning the health argument. Better steer this argument towards my delusional ethical stance."

[@Miraak1868]

I cancelled my diabetes 2 in June by going carnivore. I have never felt better in my life. I am 80 now and sitting here, I feel like I am 20 again.

[@mattyb1624]

Congratulations, so did my uncle!

[@tracimiller3702]

👍👍👍👍

[@OnesFan1]

You won’t last 4 months with that diet

[@mattyb1624]

@OnesFan1 I'm over a year carnivore. Dr Anthony Chaffee is 10 years, Dr Ken Berry is years in, Dr Shawn Baker is 20 years Carnivore. Many other people are years in too. Much healthier, more grounded mentally and stronger than your average vegan.

[@mattyb1624]

@@OnesFan1 I've been on it over a year

[@Rdo_ss]

Just the fact the vegans are wearing matching shirts.... I won't become a vegan

[@susumukumo]

I noticed that, too. Virtue signaling at its best. It’s very cult-like.

[@Katlady-rs4eg]

😂😂😂

[@spirulina3924]

They are a couple I think. Besides, bad argument to distract yourself from being real with yourself. You are what you eat. You eat unconscious (dead) victims. As within so without. Hermetic laws. Metaphysics. Science.

[@spirulina3924]

The animal kingdom does not consent to being "food" to humans. There is no sacred contract to justify to kill an animal for food as a human. Your life does not work out? You experience being a victim to "outer circumstances"? You don't understand the Hermetic laws and influence of what you are doing. You are not supported by the frequencies around you cause you don't support them. Humans are supposed to protect animals. Killed animals are not the foundation I'd build myself on. Pork is DEAD LUCK. You eat pork you'll experience dead luck. Simple. Look deeper.

[@Rdo_ss]

@@spirulina3924 So I should eat dead plants to turn into a plant?

[@chargermopar]

As the longest term male carnivore on KZbin, I have a lot of experience dealing with vegans. I have long term vegan friends in my life. They refuse to eat with me but I have no problem eating with them, and I even grow and supply them with fruits and veggies. Dr Anthony Chaffee is a person I really respect and have been interviewed by. He cares about people and believe it or not he also cares about animals. I care about animals, they are here to make our lives possible. Every animal dies, the only thing is will they die of old age, be eaten by a predator or killed by a human. Out of all of the ways to die being shot while hunting or in a regenerative farm has to be less painful for the animal than being ripped apart alive by a predator. The only reason animals can live is because predators eat them. If animals had no predators they would multiply and eventually die of disease and starvation.

[@Suzanne-goes-Carnivore]

You provide some of your vegan friends with fruits and veggies, but they refuse to eat with you if you are eating meat? In my opinion they do not respect you and love taking your food but can not accept your choices to eat meat. Not friends...

[@The40yearoldVegan]

92 billon land animals are bred into existence every single year to be slaughtered and eaten. It’s not that they die of predation other than the enslavement of humans over them.

[@powderedtoastman3093]

@@The40yearoldVeganAnd they taste great and give great nutrition for all who eat them and no junk food

[@The40yearoldVegan]

@@powderedtoastman3093 millions suffer from pathogens aka food borne illnesses each year. That comes from the feces of animals. Ecoli salmonella campylobacter. Not to mention the animals have been genetically engineered are given the most antibiotics drugs supplements. Have diseases illnesses that aren’t labelled. No thanks I prefer not to ruin my health on a diet that also harms others

[@The40yearoldVegan]

@@Suzanne-goes-Carnivore interesting so I worked in animal ag for 15 years I’ve seen a lot of animal abuse more then 99% of people. So if I don’t want to eat at a table with animals that I know don’t want to be on a plate or it gives me flashbacks due to seeing massive amounts of killing I should be shamed for not wanting to go through that trauma?

[@silentbutdeadly7032]

As a hardcore carnivore I understand the empathy regarding animals being killed for food, but what we need to accept is that that's the world we live in and we are designed to eat meat, not plants and especially not processed foods! If the animal is pasture raised, fed naturally, like grass fed, and the animal is well cared for and killed humanely, then I support it by buying my meat from my local farmer who's animals I've seen when they are alive. I admit, I have bought meat that was from the store and not locally raised, which I'm not proud of, but hopefully in the future the factory farming will improve! Either way, we evolved on meat and we thrive far more on a meat based diet, than a plant based diet. So ask yourself what's better for humans ultimately? If you want to be a vegan, go ahead, I'm not going to care, but don't tell me that being a carnivore is wrong because it's unethical in your opinion. I too want a better world, so we can agree on that at least. I also want to be as healthiest as I can be, so being a strict carnivore has made that possible!❤

[@maniac577]

Problem is that We are not designed to eat meat. Its survival food

[@Cleofizoid]

How embarrassing for these two vegans.

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

wrong

[@rosemariecocoy9192]

Yes they are embarassing. Your vegan you also kill the plants so you can eat.

[@saszablaze1]

not really; they smashed anthony to bits.

[@chube5738]

I agree, it's embarrassing to continue trying to reason with willful ignorance.

[@charleshill1906]

@@saszablaze1 It must be opposite day. Either that or you're just living in an upside down world. In no way did they "smash anthony to bits." Their entire line of argumentation was nothing but one logical fallacy after another.

[@twylat212012]

O my God they're murdering plants. And in return, the plants are killing them.

[@patriciawilson6978]

😂😂😂

[@paultishler6013]

Plants aren’t sentient, no plants are killing me you sound ridiculous.

[@twylat212012]

Well, by all means, keep eating them! I was vegan for three years, was pale, weak and sick. I feel amazing now, and will NEVER eat veggies again.

[@familyman8439]

Awesome

[@Mareike-aka-Mary-1337]

Well said 😂😂😂

[@meganb3739]

These vegans aren't listening at all. Young and naive. Would be interested to see their health in 30 years and whether they are still vegan.

[@CarnismDebunked]

You'd have also said that about Donald Watson and his friends who founded the Vegan Society in the 1940s. Watson, as one example, lived into his 90s and died in 2005.

[@veganix6757]

U don’t have any argument of what they said huh

[@veganix6757]

Listening to what? How about present an argument

[@AnneMB955]

Too true. These vegans are running on stress cortisol. Not good for their health.

[@AnneMB955]

@@CarnismDebunkedAnecdotal - one person out of billions. No argument.

[@lukasasanovic7317]

Its really amazing how gray skined vegans are! Ever since I heard Shawn Baker talking about it once I can not unsee it. Same with old pictures of myself back when I was plantbased. Clear sign - looks like walking dead bodies

[@meliora99]

shawn baker doesn't exactly look healthy

[@grottphd9090]

@@meliora99 He's almost sixty years old, he looks extremely healthy lol

[@Hyacinth_Rose]

You don't like white skin that's cool man but don't be racist calling it out.

[@maniac577]

@@grottphd9090He looks like he is about to have a heart attack anytime lol

[@sotirioskarambelas386]

Anthony dominated in the debate!

[@Beef_it_to_be_fit]

I was under the impression that the girl dominated with all 40 seconds of her contribution to the debate.

[@Brukner841]

if you think that then fk, you are a lost cause.

[@aab-el9bd]

@@Beef_it_to_be_fit she was unable to follow the thread of a topic through the discussion, she was all over the place.

[@Alexkid96]

@@Beef_it_to_be_fit When she said she wouldn't eat meat even if it grew on trees... pfft, man her ideolgy is more anti meat than anti suffering.

[@Beef_it_to_be_fit]

@@Alexkid96 Her ideology is ant-intelligence.

[@Castaca27]

All I got from this debate is that vegans are more hyper anxious and prone to hyperbole than carnivores

[@ronescalona]

i've vegetarian for almost 2yrs,it ruined my health!i felt fatigue,low energy,not sleeping well,anemia,etc..almost meat now for almost a year,my health regain,rebuilt,and transform into a proper human..meat is the best!period!!!

[@Hyacinth_Rose]

That's because you didn't know how to do it properly. Lack of research. I've been vegan for 24 years and I am perfectly fine

[@ronescalona]

@@Hyacinth_Rosereally??? with a bunch of supplementation???

[@Hyacinth_Rose]

@@ronescalona only b12

[@riverdaledragon]

How is this even a debate? Two doctors with medical knowledge and experience VS 2 fringe vegans off the street.

[@Daniel.Kourie1]

Are we sure that Jack isnt a murderer himself? He ALWAYS brings up killing human beings and comparing it to killing animals.. its not the same thing.. he has no valid points.. just trying to guilt trip people.. Tash and Jack, you are both not informed enough to have a debate like this…

[@carnivorousentity]

Giving me psychopath vibes. But he's a cuck to her. Must be so painful to be like that. Compassion and empathy are important strengths. That allow for understanding and respect. I see everyone as fellow humans and with fight to the death for free will and because of that I would never tell them what to eat or wish them harm and expect the same. . I have seen some vegans thrive but ultimately have some issues and others go down hill fast. I will always extend an olive branch and see if I can help. Ethics are important but if you sure not optimal and healthy you cannot have a positive impact on the world. For humans to exist animals have to die. For them both to be on this show animals have died. Us being here results in animals and insects and even other humans dying. We should all be conscious of that. It's the hate in their eyes towards the carnivores. So unhealthy. Hatred poisons the hater. We are falling for divide and conquer tactics all the time. No one is asking why after all the cancer research money raised the chance of getting cancer has increased. Why new vegan processed foods are so unhealthy the same if not worse than processed foods. We are all in this together and should be trying to reverse all the manipulation, instead of infighting we all need to look up

[@litt8054]

😂

[@familyman8439]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JamesDurcan]

They’re simply more ethical . Sorry , vegans are just more ethical cut and dry. You can exact all the gymnastics, over - articulate cause-sided studies/ analysis ( like our doctor friend). End of the day, one group is voting for bullying/violence/ oppression while the other votes for peace/equality.

[@saszablaze1]

They did ok but no they're not informed enough Both camps cherrypick because they have agendas to push. They're both wrong if we are talking optimal diet. Raw plantbased "vegan" diet is the only one we should be eating.. It takes transition

[@inthevortex-de1rh]

Being vegan was the worst decision i made in life

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

best decision I have ever made

[@saszablaze1]

only coz you did it wrong!

[@inthevortex-de1rh]

​​@@saszablaze1 Exactly! Very wrong! It was a wrong decision. Thank God after I had all these terrible symptoms for a long time, I decided to listen to my own body instead of my beliefs and my dogmas. Then, I started to watch videos of ex vegans. That was absolutely my turning point. Almost all of the testimonial were talking about the same symptoms I had but much worse than mine! Now I am recovering but it takes time. I have lots of nutrient deficiencies now. The Vega diet has a lot of problems: 1. It's full of carbs! I don't think you can have pure complete proteins from any plant! Those spike your blood sugar. Now that I monitor my glucose, I found out that legumes spike my blood sugar even if a just eat 1/2 cup, same with oats quinoa, breads, potatoes, rice, cereals, and almost everything that sustain you a little bit. 2. Carbs keep you craving all day. You don't feel satisfied. 3. Plants are full of oxalates, lectins, phytic acid, and a bunch of antinutrientes. That's why vegans suffer from malnutrition because of these chemicals. 4. All of these chemicals produce inflammation and is the root cause of diabetes, dementia, autoimmune disease, cancer and more 5. Plants are also full of pesticidas, GMO, full of parasites, and more 6. Most health problems come from deficiencies and toxicity. Vegan diets have both of the 2 worlds! 7. I truly think that the reason elimination diets work is because they eliminate the consumption of poison (plant chemicals and pesticides) and they incorporate the best nutrients (meats) Last, I suggeste to watch ex vegan videos. That will wake you up and save your own lives

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

@@inthevortex-de1rh nonsense, you were never vegan.

[@trail.blazer]

@@saszablaze1 There is not a way of doing veganism/WFPB correctly. Everyone does it wrong.

[@georgemoonman2830]

8 months carnivore; lost 50kg, hypertension, prediabetes, arthritis, gerd, depression, all resolved. Humans are carnivores, thats how I justify it. I source my meat as responsibly as possible but we are biologically adapted to eating meat.

[@louislowstress]

I lost 13kg in only about 4-5 months on carnivore. Healthier weight and more energy

[@ITubeYouK]

How did you deal with the severe headaches on a pure carnivore diet with no carbs? I tried carnivore with no carbs for 6 months and I could never get rid of these severe headaches I would get. I ate 10 raw eggs, plenty of raw milk, and a large amount of raw meat and organs. I also used mineral sea salt to help with the mineral loss on a ketogenic diet. I had to quit the carnivore diet and blend in some carbs (glucose) to eliminate my headaches. I have come to do extensive research and I agree that a low carb diet is optimal, but maybe only for short periods of time. If you have any insight on how to be in a ketogenic state for prolong periods of time without getting severe headaches would be awesome. Our blood is composed of minerals, plasma, glucose, platelets, and RBCs/WBCs. My concern is that our liver is not able to produce an adequate supply of glucose for extended periods of time. But in nature, it would be hard to find glucose since you have to break down cellulose (cook plants, etc.) to access the glucose. All animals in nature follow a high fat or ketogenic diet, since they have the bacteria necessary to digest cellulose. The bacteria basically break down cellulose and turn it into triglycerides or fat. I tried compensating for the mineral loss by taking in plasma (clean water with minerals (natural sea salt), it would help relieve the headaches, but they would come back later. If I did not take any plasma at all, my headaches would only get worse.

[@louislowstress]

@@ITubeYouK salt (= stones) may lead to headaches. Also, it is not a problem to eat some fruit here and there for hydration.

[@user-zj9ow6vl1m]

@@ITubeYouKtake LMNT electrolyte packets and they resolve the headaches and body aches early on. And if you were consuming more than 8oz of raw milk daily you likely weren’t in ketosis. Milk has enough carbs that it’d kick you out of ketosis, so instead of having the clean steady fat fuel all day you were running on minimal carbs which would feel crappy.

[@Isekai_Fan]

@@ITubeYouK Sounds like you were probably getting too many carbs. You can try the diet again, but make sure you are using keto test strips to find out if you are in ketosis. Also, an electrolyte imbalance can cause chronic headaches. We recommend taking LMNT if you don't know how to balance them yourself. Avoiding dairy and fruits while starting carnivore is key to a successful transition.

[@royprasad975]

What debate???? I see two EDUCATION professionls vs two kids who know everything 😂.

[@LoveWoodFires]

😂

[@Meathead-10810]

After around 40 years of the standard diet I stopped smoking for health. Since my goal was health, I switched to a plant based diet a little later. The first year was ok, the second year I had edema in both legs below the knee, could almost not walk for pain in the soles of my feet. Spent about 8 months going for organ scans and blood tests, the specialist wanted to remove some of my parathyroid glands. Instead I changed my diet and corrected all of the following health problems with no medication: obesity, prediabetes, loose teeth, bleeding gums, sensitive teeth cold sores, blocked sinuses, mouth breathing, left eye twitches (tetany) heartburn, calf cramps, yellow stool, blood in stool edema below the knees, painful feet when walking, sunburn is less shoulder, back and neck pain after waking, lower back pain and stiffness 5+ Years on the carnivore lifestyle now :) Eat Meat, Not Too Little, Mostly Fat

[@CarnivoreAthlete65]

In my opinion, I believe that study after study and research after research can be done but to me, the proof is in patient after patient and what has healed and cured their diseases or ailments. I was plant-based for many many years, and then became raw vegan, and none of those diets ever helped me. I became increasingly worse throughout the years with my ailments of osteoarthritis, severe joint and back pain, foggy, thinking, gastritis, reflux disease, lack of energy, etc. However, when I went carnivore, I had healing start within the first week and it has only continued to get better and better. I’m 65 years old and needed relief, and was only ultimately able to get relief through a carnivore diet.

[@snakeace0]

Sadly people dont know how to properly analyze studies and their methodologies. I dont think people know just how easy it is to pay certain nutritional journals to publish complete rubbish studies. People just see a published study and take it as gospel without even knowing how a well done study should look like. This is the real issue, a proper lack of knowledge regarding the scientific method. And no you are not stupid for falling for it, most of us have a life to live and cant just study all day to not get influenced by bogus ideologies. We expect that the Doctors would do that for us, sadly most only care about profit and have never picked up a book about nutrition in their life. So all that is left for most people is to just try it out and see if it works for you.

[@thoreevos]

Dude is speaking directly to Antony claiming there is no evidence you can thrive on the carnivore diet 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@KoppersKitchen]

I am still giggling at that. I only wish Dr. C would have replied when asked what he could bench press, 'I could bench Jack'! That would have been glorious, however Dr. C has much too much class for that. 😉😉

[@jeovanniperez3949]

Cus there isn’t evidence even Anthony admitted there is no scientific evidence for the carnivore evidence baker also admitted there is no scientific evidence to the carnivore diet

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@KoppersKitchen I’m vegan and deadlift Chaffee’s own bodyweight for reps so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@anapadilla7133]

I took countless of supplements and nothing worked for me. My physical and mental health suffered.

[@KevboKev]

You want to decide INSTANTLY which diet is better? Stand Dr. Chaffee next to the male vegan. *MIC DROP*

[@Skatelifecrisis_]

Careful tho. Pretty sure the doctor next to Chaffee is a carnivore or close too

[@KevboKev]

@@Skatelifecrisis_ haha. Fair enough, and true. Dr Chaffee also works out and carnivore helps with the build. But yes, you can be a rail and on carnivore. 😂

[@emeraldcitycreative6892]

Stand Dr Chaffee next to Kendrick Farriss. Or Nimai Delgado. Or Patrick Baboumian. Comparisons like this are STUPID.

[@Skatelifecrisis_]

@@emeraldcitycreative6892 calm down

[@emeraldcitycreative6892]

@@Skatelifecrisis_ oh that's right, cos all vegans need to calm down? LOL

[@aprocessofchange6251]

Crazy I know, but animals aren't human beings. If you come at most meat eaters with that logic, you have already lost the debate. Animals should be treated with kindness obviously but they are not human.

[@The40yearoldVegan]

Humans are animals. Go look at any textbook. Why do you care if they get treated with kindness? Most of them are in factory farms living in their filth. Im suppressed by people who say they should be treated with respect yet if anyone visited some of these places they’d be sick. And rather then thinking hey maybe I should look into this they say it’s ok without ever being inside a slaughter factory or putting say a dog in the same position

[@troykite3838]

What makes us different? Because we are more intelligent, we are fundamentally similar in most ways. Treating an animals with kindness is not by killing them

[@martinloipersberger7106]

A cow that gets grass every day and water every day isn't going to interpret it's life as slavery and lose sleep over its lot in life. It isn't going to see a fence in the distance and listen to Cow Marx, feel oppressed and yearn for freedom. That's one difference between animals and humans. What's similar is that we all do best on a species-specific diet.

[@chrishyde5903]

Why should animals be treated with kindness?

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

you're not special. you're not worthy of killing animals. nobody is.

[@tinaandre9905]

WOW..JUST WOW...I will keep eating my MEAT! ❤ Dr. Chaffee!

[@hamstarist]

Enjoy!

[@Carnivorechad]

It’s un debatable!! Carnivore diet is logic based. Veganism is emotional based. Logic trumps emotions every time.

[@JH-nb4nn]

Agree. Logic over emotion.

[@Clairelyhereforveganburgers]

Emotions are there to tell the body when something is wrong. It's the sympathetic system working inside the brain to detect threats. Not only that but emotions are there to give intelligence and understanding to the world around us. Being upset is a natural byproduct of someone dying for example. It's a logical step the body makes in times when severe trauma happens. Your logic/emotion argument is severely psychologically tone deaf. Anger occurs as a result of a boundary being crossed - like when someone punches you or yells at you. Vegans are angry because they understand how painful it must be to live the life and death of a farm animal. They use that anger inside of arguments to bring alarm to the situation that's happening for animals in the farming industries. Veganism by definition is the most moral decision humans can make for other animals. Hope one day you learn to understand that.

[@swisscarnivore]

I wish Bart Kay was sitting in the carnivore corner, now that would have been fun.

[@SomeGuy-oq7oy]

It would've been a "slaughter" !

[@p.jonaitis7952]

Would have been a bloodbath.

[@MattiaGiallombardo]

Hahahahaha that would have be hilarious

[@D4rkBl4de]

Oh I wish too hahaha

[@scottlarsen1512]

100% Bart would have torn holes in the studies referenced I guess no one wants to take Bart on because he would just shut them down too hard.

[@caryt59]

I've seen this girl before in a debate against cattle farmers. She just stays angry, and doesn't realize how it destroys her credibility!

[@peynattyl]

And her anger raises her cortisol levels. Poor girl.

[@cassclare]

I agree. Another thing that ruins her credibility is completely disregarding that massive amounts of the population cannot be vegan. When she says it's ok for people to not feel optimal, it us obvious that she us not one of those people who absolutely must eat meat. Sub optimal translates to , mental problems, massive fatigue, bone degradation, wasting etc. These people are selfish and they have tunnel vision. They also have only been vegans for 7 years and are relatively young. Time will tell.

[@firelight-vitality]

Vegans are always angry, wonder why ... not.

[@dovasquad5228]

@redlunahealing🤡🤡🤡

[@TheGreaterBenefic]

@@cassclare she is concerned about animal deaths but is clearly very ok with killing humans with disease achieved through plant-based diet.

[@D4rkBl4de]

I'm carnivore and I buy from a local farmer to prioritize my health AND because I care about the environment and the animals' welfare. I also know my place as a human in nature: we are mostly carnivore, we need meat to be healthy. Are you gonna stop lions from hunting because it's "murder" just for them to be sick? No. Should apply to humans also. Simple solution: buy from local farmers who treat their animals well until slaughter. Also we need cows for the health of soils. No soil health, no life. Wow those vegans are delusional. Lab-grown meat, even if it was equal quality to animal meat, produces wayyyy more pollution and again, we need cows for soil health so lab-grown meat doesn't matter. It's not a good solution, period. Plus we're gonna make our farmers bankrupt by doing that. It's really hard to listen to this debate. It's always hard to listen to vegans in debates. They're so aggressive and refuse to learn anything. Yikes... did they hear about 85% of vegans going into catastrophic health failure within 10 years? LOL you can't have a natural ecosystem with monocrops.

[@RowanFey]

^this comment needs more likes. Great points

[@GregariousAntithesis]

If a plant based diet were so healthy it wouldnt cause tooth decay and gum disease, etc. a healthy diet shouldn't require a tooth brush.

[@smclavis]

We don’t eat humans cause we want our species to survive. Same thing with all other species. They typically don’t eat their own

[@margaretblack8538]

Got it in one. 😊👍

[@CarnivoreS8N]

What is the vegan’s obsession with cannibalism?

[@kez007]

Dr. Chafee class composure during fairly hostile debate

[@joolzvega7298]

He's a grifter and a meat industry shill.

[@codeeater0]

Good looking fella too 💪 🥩

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

Pscopaths are calm Harming others for unnessarry reasons are also the signs of pscopathy. High rates of pscopathy in the surgery profession as well .

[@EndNuclearAgenda21]

He is my absolute favorite

[@EndNuclearAgenda21]

@@julienfroidevaux1143he’s calm because he is healthy and mentally stable. Unlike most vegans that have meltdowns hourly. He is also very educated

[@bellelovelight1163]

Vegan pulling the cannibal card? What the?? Nutritionally ruminant animals are optimal. And yes plants too are sentient. All life is sentient.

[@The40yearoldVegan]

Sentient how? Do they have a brain? Do they have a central nervous system all science points against them being sentient whereas a cow has a brain and pain receptors and won’t grow back. Do you kill them yourself? Do you think mowing grass is the same as taking the life of a cow?

[@geekrebel]

Soooo.... if your house is on fire, do you choose to save your dog? Or the potplant because you say plants are sentient? Do you not see how stupid that sounds?

[@The40yearoldVegan]

@@geekrebel sorry doggo have to save the watermelons 😹

[@denizkenger52]

@@geekrebelwhichever one you love more. If you love the plant more, save the plant. If you love the dog more, save the dog.

[@geekrebel]

@@denizkenger52 I don't know you, but I will still save your life before I save a plant's life. That's because I know you are sentient and although you might not have 'value' to me personally, *you* find your own life infinitely more valuable than a plant values its own life. It's the same with a dog... its interest in living and not suffering is infinitely more than a plant's.

[@robertlynch9678]

As someone with Crohn’s who has only been able to reverse symptoms with a meat-based diet I love to hear Dr Chafee break down his argument in a logical and rational manner. Hopefully, more ppl who are suffering can hear his message.

[@RPDlad]

Vegans emotional and cult like, carnivores calm, relaxed and open

[@TheXeloy]

vegans: left-wing/dollars/emotional carnivores: right-wing/bitcoin/calm

[@petercoderch589]

Yeah, when you don't have a conscience, you stay calm in the face of cruelty.

[@RPDlad]

@@petercoderch589 nah, when you deny your body nutrition and indoctrinate yourself into a cult you sound absolutely batshit crazy and noone will listen to you while your body falls apart. If you actually gave your body carnitine instead of denying basic biology like all the other cults do, you'd easily be able to see this. Eat a tasty steak and listen to your body.🥩

[@earthpart3]

The real cult is the group of hypocrites who pay for animal abuse while claiming theyre against it.

[@honeyhoney1529]

Provocation doesn't help.

[@erudicity1126]

The carnivores have it 👊

[@wickywills]

Because the vegans never presented an actual argument - just emotion and feelings.

[@moneyhoon5044]

Ha! Yeah right!

[@h.b.hatecraft953]

Fact is if society ended, carnivores can keep going and vegans are totally screwed. Simply put, vegan is not what nature intended us to be.

[@JennifertxCarnivore]

Carnivore has healed so much for me! I started off carnivore in hopes to reverse my fibrocystic breast masses that have built up over 6 years eating half a dry skinless chicken breast piece a day with half cup of broccoli and little bit of wheat noodles. We are told don’t eat very much meat- so the world is almost vegan just about. I would eat red canbbage too- cooked it and ate cabbage about 3 times a week. That was about it. So I was mainly chicken, broccoli, and little wheat noodles. So from age 40-46 I started getting all that “aging” health issue mess- and the fibrocystic breast “disease” started and kept building up! When I hit age 46 I was done with it! The fibrocystic masses were getting me scares- and I started getting huge painful breast cysts too! One was around 2” long and 1” wide! Docs would say, “we don’t know what causes fibrocystic breasts disease” and “fibrocystic breasts is now normal because everyone is getting it” and “fibrocystic breast could turn into cancer” and “there is nothing you can do for fibrocystic breasts” and “diet doesn’t cause fibrocystic breasts!” I was gaining weight too and by summer of 2022 I hit perimenopause at age 46 and got every symptom you could think of. My joints were hurting too, no sleep at night, dizzy at times, it was ridiculous! I know it had to be diet! Little did I know that all the other health issues I had all my life, in addition to this mess listed above, was all due to diet! I went searching online and found the truth of my fibrocystic problem! Found out cruciferous veggies (broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and asparagus) are all cruciferous veggies that block natural iodine absorption found in foods! And if you become depleted in iodine it messes up your thyroid which controls all- even hormones! And all organs need iodine including breasts! They swell if you are deficient! And I read these cruciferous veggies can cause cancer due to lack of iodine in body since they block absorption! Bingo! We are all being told to eat cruciferous veggies, that they can prevent cancer, and to eat lots of it including broccoli!! But in fact they are causing cancer and I truly feel it is causing all the fibrocystic breast cases that have been escalating lately that we are seeing! When I post about this and ladies write back saying they too had fibrocystic breasts, I ask, “do you eat cruciferous veggies, especially broccoli” and they all have said, “YES!” I did more research and found carnivore! I Jumped right in! In 6-8 weeks I lost 45 pounds! My perimenopause reversed! In fact don’t even get PMS symptoms and my cycle is perfectly paced! And so much more reversed that I started writing it down! And yes, my fibrocystic breast masses shrank! I share my progress because I want people to see how carnivore can heal so much and most of these things are commonly healed for many, not just me! I want to help and this is how I do- by sharing. No I am not paid to do this, I just want to help people see and be aware of what carnivore can do! I do update this list as I have been on carnivore (more lion diet version) for 1 year and 5 months now. I feel this has helped so many decide if they should try carnivore. I always say go watch Dr. Baker, Dr. Chaffee, and Dr. Berry- my three most favorite doctors. They are truly amazing! I call them my carnivore doctors! ☺️ * No more perimenopause- completely reversed! *Period cycles all timed perfect with 4 week intervals.And no PMS symptoms, but only the actual menstrual cycle itself! *No more night sweats *No more waking every 2 hours at night! *It used to take me 20 minutes or longer to fall asleep at night when I would first go to bed at night- before carnivore. Now it takes like a minute or less. Haven’t noticed since I am out fast! *No more life long eczema *No more cold hands (may have been Reynold’s disease, never diagnosed.) *No more cold body temp in general! Used to feel like a reptile - only warm in texas sun. (may have been Raynaud’s disease, never diagnosed.) *No more IBS symptoms (gas, bloating, stomach pain, constipation, diarrhea) *No more feeling low energy by 12pm and zombie by 4pm *No more purple looking hands in winter (may have been Raynaud’s disease, never diagnosed.) *No more brain fog *No more arthritis that I felt in hands, knees, and hips- or elbows *used to have sore hips when sleeping on my side. No more! *Lost 45+ pounds from former baby weight and peri menopause weight. *Always had 20/20 vision with slight stigmatism- but in March doctor said my stigmatism is reversing! *Don’t sunburn as easily anymore and tan well. *Wrinkles around eyes seem to be much less. I am 47 and look like I am in early 30’s. *Gums look super healthy. Dentist seems irritated as my teeth are not dirty when cleaning every six months. Think they know they won’t make money off me. *No more sore chest from monthly periods- no swelling feeling of fullness or discomfort that prevented me from sleeping on my stomach. Now I sleep every night on my stomach! *Fibrocystic Breast issues reversing! Almost all gone after 6 years of buildup! *no cravings unless they are for meat *no more angina symptoms before a period- which started about 3 years ago. *No more feeling weak like almost passing out and dizzy around ovulation and periods when walking around. * no more fingers swelling- that started a few years ago- rings kept being tight- is pattern I noticed. One ring I had resized larger and it’s super loose now. Will have to resize smaller. *feel stronger- now lifting barbells not just hands weights. Dr. Baker said since I am 46, and 5’7” at 122lbs- need more resistance training to add more muscle weight. . So bought a 47lb barbell off Amazon and have 90 extra pounds added to it. Will continue to progress with that. *Before carnivore- i had started growing grey hairs in one of my eyebrows, few hairs at a time, but no grey in my blonde hair yet - but assumed it was coming. Now on carnivore I have had no new grey hairs growing in eye brows and still no grey hair in my natural blonde hair. And in the sun it gets super light highlights. * no more body odor! * I used to get a little anxiety with large crowds- like if attending special events- but since on carnivore I don’t get it that much. *I was a bit OCD before carnivore, but so much more relaxed so barely like that. * I was a relaxed person before, but somehow am even more relaxed and never stress about things. *Since I was a young child my sense of smell has been terrible. But not even a month in on carnivore my sense of smell has gone crazy! I smell things even far away! Amazing! *no more allergies! I was allergic to cedar and oak pollens- and mold- but since carnivore I am no longer reacting to those outdoor pollens which is amazing! * I have had no more issues from ear wax build up. Had it twice after having kids and docs would say it was a hormonal problem. Carnivore cured that too! *Veins in my arms look healthier. They were almost invisible before. *Legs no longer hurt on longer road trips or plane rides! *I used to get a popping sounds in my right shoulder when lifting weights. Was probably a pulled ligament. That is now gone! *I have been lactose intolerant since I was a kid, and I feel my nails are a bit stronger than before. They do break if I catch them on things but I feel they are getting stronger on carnivore. *My teeth look more white on carnivore. *My blood pressure has improved on carnivore. 6 years before carnivore up to starting carnivore my blood pressure was increasing. Now on carnivore it is back to normal like when I was younger. Last reading it was 100/75 which is awesome! *i used to get eye twitches in my eye lids, but that is gone. * at times when trying to fall asleep I would close my eyes and at times felt dizzy like falling feeling or spinning. But haven’t has that since I have been on carnivore for 12 months. *the skin on the heals of my feet are no longer cracked and dry! *little leak from sneezing or coughing that ladies get from estrogen dominance is gone on carnivore! Hormones balanced so no more estrogen dominance! *The top inner corner of both my larger toes have felt a little numb for years. Never had it diagnosed. But being 1 year on carnivore I no longer feel that numbness! My nerves have healed in that spot on both toes! Crazy! *My slightly receding gums behind my center bottom front teeth have rebuilt so gums all over are super healthy! I have flossed daily for years, but gums look even healthier! *my skin on my face isn’t as oily as it used to be. *My hair used to be super oily if not washed daily, but carnivore has regulated my hair so I can now go days without having to wash it- doesn’t get oily after one day like before! (Newest update added!) Want to mention if you start to get any allergy symptoms further into carnivore you may have histamine intolerance. Happened to me if I ate smoked meats daily for months straight. Went back to baking my meats and all the symptoms went away! Look into histamine intolerance when starting carnivore to make sure you know symptoms and not to eat smoked aged meats daily like I did if you get symptoms. Eat smoked meats less often. So there you go! ☺️ I hope this helps people on their journey to fins out what works for them! Carnivore is working for everyone that tries. Go watch Dr. Baker, Dr. Chaffee, and Dr. Berry! And go visit Kerry’s channel at Homesteadhow! We love him too! ☺️

[@spirulina3924]

What you listed as "no more.." is normal to not have. Look up John Rose, solid food vacation, John Rose makes videos on KZbin and is over 65 and fit and thriving physically, mentally and emotionally.

[@JennifertxCarnivore]

@@spirulina3924 not normal to have- all due to plant toxins causing human inflammation!

[@rogerweigel7925]

What I learned is that activism is both ugly and intolerant.

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

veganism is an ethical position. if you valued animals a lot like vegans and there were death camps all around you, and you were powerless to do anything about it, you'd get a little crazy as well.

[@rogerweigel7925]

@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 I value my health over the health of animals.

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

@@rogerweigel7925 then you would do some reading on basic nutrition first.

[@snivvelslurderagementai2560]

@@rogerweigel7925 what makes you think you're that special?

[@rogerweigel7925]

@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 I do.

[@pamdowns1302]

7 years a vegan? Try 38 and see how your health is then especially during the Menopause.. I'm 70 this year and have just done 90 days on Carnivore. Feel strong & fit with all aches, pains & migraines gone - as has 18lbs & 10% body fat! More protein and more animal fat is the answer to most health issues..

[@KatsCorner]

Agreed.

[@filipecarvalho853]

So 90 days is more evident than 7 years?

[@StinoStaySmooth]

So apparently theres no difference between carnivory and cannibalism?? These people are soooo astranged from reality and it's pitiful.

[@eveleengray9067]

These vegans are young. Do a follow-up in 5 years and see how they 'feel'!

[@Gymwarrior12]

No, vegans simply look younger. Tash is older than Chaffee I believe.

[@paultishler6013]

I am 5 years in vegan healthiest ever been in my life, your comment is incorrect.

[@sueme1954]

​@@Gymwarrior12young makeup, goober.

[@thelaststylebender1678]

Especially the girl. I can see in her eyes that she knows the vegan logic is dubious.

[@thelaststylebender1678]

@@paultishler6013you’re lying

[@KoppersKitchen]

Maybe we should start with the Websters definition of 'murder': 'the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person'. The we can move to the Webster's definition of 'holocaust': 'a mass slaughter of people'. Then we should learn how to be respectful and how to not interrupt the person who is answering the question that you asked. I am also not very sure what the young lady was even doing there other than to interject 'you didn't answer the question'. The way the vegans consistently referred to cannibalism every time they were caught off guard by valid points says a lot about them. I wish them the best on their journey, and I respect how they choose to eat, but I do not appreciate how disrespectful they were when others were trying to answer a question they asked. Even worse, the way Jack addressed Dr. Chaffee as just 'Chaffee' was disrespectful and rude. Jack's body language when Dr. Chaffee was speaking was very apathetic and dismissive, arms crossed, picking his nails, etc. I sincerely appreciate the hosts of the show who were very respectful to both sides!! @hamstarist

[@torahtrae3412]

But unfortunately, Dr. Chaffee dropped down to below Jack's level of disrespect when he called Tash "Sweetie." How condescending! 🫨

[@crnvr_1]

Good observation regarding definitions. I had the same thought listening to the vegans' language. The use of sensationalist terms hurt their argument in my opinion.

[@Bebe-or9nw]

​@@torahtrae3412honestly would you be able to keep it together with those idiots interrupting and making you look like an idiot every four seconds? I'd have a hard time.

[@tracimiller3702]

It's actually quite entertaining watching two people with all of the "veganism" talking points debate medical doctors about nutrition.

[@GhostCorvid20]

Everybody loves to cherry-pick definitions and ignore the ones that undeniably apply to slicing an animals throat open for something as trivial as a sandwich filling. Murder is often defined as "brutal killing" "unjustified killing" "inhuman or barbarous killing" which you can find in several dictionaries websites within the first page of google search results. Holocaust (when used in the general sense and not referring to a specific holocaust like what happened in ww2) is simply defined as "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale". The slaughtering of trillions of sentient beings annually obviously not only meets the criteria for a holocaust, but easily stands as the largest and longest lasting holocaust in history. There have only been about 120 billion humans to have ever existed, yet we murder that many non-human animals in a matter of a few weeks.

[@rig7102]

It's quite an experience when you feel secondhand embarrassment for someone. That's exactly how I felt for two vegans who, despite being poorly informed, were unwavering in their debate. They kept repeating nonsensical points, which unfortunately did nothing to strengthen their case; it was just disheartening to witness.

[@MammothMorals]

But not the carnivore who kept dodging questions?

[@TLC717]

This debate should have included professionals- doctors, not activists who were unprepared and could only repeat the same things over and over. I also think this was a set up. The vegans didn't have the knowledge that could have made this a more fair debate. They were the perfect choice if you wanted a totally biased debate for carnivore diet to be the better one represented.

[@Magma2035]

​@TLC717 they choose this . They preach veganism on social media , on the streets , and disruptive protests on businesses . No sympathy for this pair of clowns . They lose all credibility by their actions .

[@mhrgall]

totally agree. THe whole thing was just a mess. The Vegans just came across as hostile, reactionary, and hyperbolic....And why even have 2 literal doctors with considerable professional and life experience have a 'debate' with 2 super-young, highly-idealistic folk that are acting like angry teenagers? It WAS really tiresome and cringe-inducing.

[@mhrgall]

@@MammothMorals Who's a 'carnivore' here?

[@jamescrocker1]

After this embarrassment, Vegan boy isn’t getting any action for a long time.

[@maackiaamurensis5703]

Carnivores are calmer in this debate as always.

[@_________9996]

Because they're defending animal abuse with insane broscience that's brainwashing more and more people. 'Carnivore' proselytizers are a walking talking cancer. My mother went carnivore purely based on these bullshit anecdotes, which are probably 75% bots. She's been pale, weak, foggy-brained and her diabetes came back since starting, yet she's somehow convinced that the opposite is true. It's an infuriating upside-down land with these people

[@JH-nb4nn]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Him saying cows kill insects in the grass. HAHAHAHA. Does he know how many insects die in modern agriculture?? What a joke.

[@dobrickgenevo]

Way more plants are used for animal ag than plant ag. The numbers of animals harmed are much fewer in a plant based lifestyle. This is factual

[@JH-nb4nn]

@@dobrickgenevo 1000% wrong.

[@earthpart3]

@@JH-nb4nn how? Where's your proof?

[@tim3207]

@@earthpart3 the fact that you said "proof" shows everyone that you are not able to have this conversation Proof is for maths Science require EVIDENCE you are welcome

[@earthpart3]

@@tim3207 Where's the "evidence", dunce? Science REQUIRES evidence would be the correct statement. I guess you aren't able to have this conversation. Hurp durp.

[@HelloKitty-pu2qq]

Talking to vegan is like talking to rock 🪨😅

[@KoppersKitchen]

Not quite, rocks are respectful and listen! 😉😉🤭

[@sn1per196]

funny the carnivore didnt answer a single question

[@aab-el9bd]

Questions are not arguments

[@Maliksaidawi12]

All human beings are created in God’s image; not even one animal is created in his image.

[@AnneMB955]

When I found Carnivore 17 August , 2023, I was so relieved that I didn’t have to eat another plant. No-one tells me what I can and cannot eat. It’s my body, my life.

[@troykite3838]

That’s because we don’t give the animals a choice, and I’m sure if they did, they would choose not to be killed and eaten. All animals, including humans, do not want to die at a fundamental level. So your comment is quite disturbing if you really break it down and genuinely think about your choices

[@jacklevoska8860]

​@@troykite3838if you gave them the choice, they would likely eat you. Pigs, cows, and chickens certainly would.

[@bperry1825]

well ofc - that's the circle of life. Say that about any animal being eaten in the wild. Childish mindset@@troykite3838

[@rosered3919]

Tash Peterson might have another view in her 40s. Just like so very many of us reformed former vegans. I used to feel the same as her when I was young. No more.

[@Brukner841]

there are no former vegans, only fad hoppers, you have no idea what nutrition is.

[@TheGreaterBenefic]

it is sad, but we all know that this is coming. What is worse is that these types will torture their children with their diet and ideology.

[@earthpart3]

@@TheGreaterBenefic torture them by giving them all the same nutrients? Use your brain.

[@auxiliary4023]

yeah I agree, she's a young useful idiot to the fake food industry.

[@justmegawatt]

I became vegan in my teens and I’m in my 30s now and still vegan, still against animal abuse. My viewpoint on animal harming hasn’t changed.

[@valiantfallmax8814]

the vegans look like they have so much hate in them every time our doctors speak. 😂😂😂 I just hope they don't get sick in the long run.

[@maik123]

They are already sick mate :D

[@sn1per196]

the doctor coudnt even answer a single question

[@Mallchad]

@@maik123 They are already having problems with emotional regulation and rationalization skills, evidently

[@nevinkuser9892]

you already know they will.

[@veganix6757]

The animal abusers speak nonsense and lies and can’t back up their claims with data and science

[@rawanatme9821]

Funny how the carnivore has 20 years on the vegans but looks way healthier, stronger and fitter.