CarnivoryCon 2019: L. Amber O’Hearn - “Rethinking RDAs (Recommended Daily Allowances)“

[@patriknn1]

Amazing that we're all being able to watch all these speakers from the Carnivore conference. 👍 Thank you!

[@lisaalbarras3029]

It sure is a gift. With four children, one of which is on the autism spectrum and caring for my disabled mother, that all coupled with my running a small farm means that a Trip to carnivore con. is out of question for me. I greatly appreciate being able to watch all of the presentations here on KZbin.

[@di3486]

I lost 5 years going to nutrition school...I had to self teach my self all over again!

[@pamir2593]

Di :3 thats ehy you go o biochemistry then opt in for a dietitian job instead of studying nutrition to be a dietitian. i think you could very well opt in as a dietitian after studying biochemistry and introducing your councelors the by putting yourself on tests.

[@hnsjackson]

@Sirius White Correct!

[@carrieangel275]

Fascinating stuff! Thankyou, after being brought up vegetarian with the occasional chicken habits stuck, my horrendous mental health led me to alcoholism to try and alleviate my moods and I've wasted so many years, now at 42 I'm on my 4th day of eating stake and eggs and I will continue because I feel an improvement in my mental health already. Depression is a symptom of something lacking and meat was the only thing I hadn't tried due to guilt. No more, I deserve the best if I'm going to be putting that out. Thankyou very much for sharing this, I've suffered too long.

[@HelenEk7]

Thank you for sharing! How are you doing now?

[@zvonimirrebic4480]

I will definitely watch this lecture three more times ! Thanks for posting Amber !

[@4311446]

Third time for me :)

[@nikolazadro2166]

Zvonimire, kako ide carnivore?

[@DavidKD2050]

Extremely helpful. I don’t regret my few years and thousands of hours on Cronometer. It was time well spent learning about the nutritional profile of foods. But I’ve moved on now and this talk was so helpful in bringing together what I was thinking, as scattered and incomplete as those thoughts were.

[@urielwong]

Been marathoning all of Amber's talks. Amazing perspectives and insight!

[@LibertarianJRT]

Great presentation. RDAs are often misrepresented and poorly understood. Simply put, if the environmental factors present at the time of the recommendation are not present at the time of inquiry, than the recommendation is not longer valid.

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

Read in a study many years ago that overloading one or more nutrients will create a deficiency in one or more OTHER nutrients. What she says in this video re-enforces that. Well done.

[@DavidKD2050]

John Doe sadly it’s too late for you MR Doe 😢

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

@@DavidKD2050 Please Elaborate.

[@joannekerr8839]

Thank-you so much - I am loving all these talks from the conference.

[@pedroaguirre258]

i ve come here because of your interview with WhatIveLearned, i am greatly satisfied. Sending love from Argentina

[@NicholasAndre1]

Lucidity in the nutrition community. Who would have thought ;)

[@kenrickfearn1448]

Awesome - great set of videos from this conference ... Ric

[@SchmittsPeter]

Hey, Amber herself ! Great speech.

[@acquiresimplicity]

Amber thank you ! Really like your presentations ! So good and looking forward to seeing more. !

[@kiwikim5163]

Thank you for posting these talks.

[@sallysassa]

What a great lecture, thanks Amber.

[@_next223]

This is an INCREDIBLE talk.

[@nikkiguerlain]

Thx for posting this!

[@AngelaAStantonPhD]

awesome lecture Amber!

[@des5594]

The longevity of persons in Blue Zones might only be because they are in coastal regions with ample access to high iodine foods (seafoods) to meet the increased need due to increased carbohydrate consumption.

[@lunem5783]

Thank you !!!

[@phenogen8125]

Synergy is the key word in all this.

[@kmichalene]

I’ve been watching these conference videos all day and, while many are interesting, yours has been the most compelling to me. I felt I really leaned something as a lay-person. I don’t expect to become a carnivore. Meat preparation has always grossed me out to the degree I can’t then enjoy eating it once it’s cooked hahaha. That being said, I eat eggs, dairy, and different types of meats from time to time. I lean more toward a keto diet relying on eggs and dairy as my protein, though I find it difficult to stay on. I think I would find a meat-only diet impossible. Do carnivore typically have not cravings for sweets or for the texture of bread?

[@dana102083]

The stricter you are in your first 6 months, you'll have less cravings and your body will prefer fats. What's left will be how you deal with stress and emotional pressure that were once treated with carbs. They act like narcotics in your brain. The most important thing is committing and setting boundaries you promised yourself you'll never cross and follow through with it!

[@mirikira8632]

Been on carnivore for 1 year and 6 months. I have PsA and Psoriasis and was fully disabled. I was on over a dozen meds a day, plus injectable meds ( biologic and methotrexate). I can now run. I have fully dropped all my meds. I no longer have inflammation. I don't crave anything else than meat. My reflexes are spot on. I have muscle like crazy. My legs have muscle on top of muscle. I had stage 2 fatty liver cirrhosis with liver scarring and it's gone. 😊 I feel amazing. I don't want to eat anything else.

[@brunon.8962]

For food, trust Evolution/Nature, not crazy scientific ideas constantly contradicting because our minds are not that smart.

[@edjrage7745]

You're just as biased as any other fad diet follower. Your comment goes against the very spirit of the video, which is based on science and not "trust". You can't "trust" evolution without applying science to understand how we evolved. Amber herself mentions in this very video that we still don't know for sure what our ancestors used to eat. I agree, we're not that smart, and your comment is proof.

[@metheiam5714]

@@edjrage7745 That, and it isn't for sure that mankind couldn't evolve to eat differently whether it be through necessity (no fatty meat for everyone; extinction of mega fauna might have been one such thing) or some "self inflicted evolution" like genetic manipulation.

[@TheNaturalhumandiet]

These Are Amazing Presentations, thank you 🥩

[@motomatta1]

Excellent Podcast 👍🙂

[@user-ou3ro4ik9d]

6:30 Iodine, low T3 in low carb dieterd -- making a note

[@MsSilver41]

I just wish Amber could put this more simply in another video , so the average person with no medical training can understand the full extent of what’s being conveyed

[@l.amberohearn450]

Honestly, I don't think medical training helps much. It's a very dense talk, and some of my points were subtle.

[@MsSilver41]

@@l.amberohearn450 thanks Amber , I’ll rewatch a few times and see if I can comprehend better. Bit of brain fog at moment , I have pernicious anaemia and due for injection soon so brain tends to lag .

[@Arthurboid]

Hello,I eat different type of animal protein,( fresh beef meat like beefsteak, eggs,milk), then i eat no veggies or maybe very rarely, but i eat middle quantity of carbs(oats )because i like eat carbs before training...so im not low carbs but mid carb.do i need add vitamine C ? PS: i take supplémentation (Omega 3 caps, Omega 6 GLA,Vitamin D, vitamin k2,magnésium, hydrolysat collagen peptan)

[@kellyanderson3229]

Super interesting!

[@r4ndomboy]

How hard would it be to do the vitamin C test for meat properly? I would chip in.

[@HelmetBlissta]

So many picky comments here about Amber. We have been bombarded with images of skinny teenage models. Life isn’t like that.

[@srdoming84]

L. Amber O'Hearn, do you have any new content?

[@AnnabellaRedwood]

Amber is amazing!!! ❤❤❤🐄🐮

[@littlelo9751]

Can anyone recommend a dr that understands the variations in thyriod needs for someone on low carb/carnivore?

[@4311446]

Where are you based. You can contact Dr Darren Schmidt at Nutritional healing centre, Ann Arbor, Michigan for online consultation. He is the best functional medical Doc out there.

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

One thing that's been bothering me is that I do need vitamin C while eating carnivore. I didn't take any during the first three months and ended up with extreme fatigue, sore and bleeding gums, and excessive bruising. 500 mg of vitamin C turned that around fast. (Stopped getting fresh bruises, but it took forever for the old ones to heal. Like three months) A month ago my new physician had me to a 30 day trial where he took me off all supplements and had me eating raw liver. He wanted to see how I did. Well, I made it only three weeks before my symptoms came back. I reestablished vitamin C three days ago and already I'm feeling much better. Is it because the meat I'm eating isn't fresh enough? I will admit that's true as every single piece of meat I've eaten has been frozen at some point. Possibly more than once.

[@92JacobG]

Yes, eat fresh and barely cooked meat. Also include liver (should be very high quality)

[@andreafalconiero9089]

Many people on carnivore diets report going for months or years without supplemental vitamin C, so it does appear _possible_ to obtain sufficient amounts of the vitamin just from the trace amounts provided in meat (especially raw liver). However -- you're not "many people" -- you're _you._ Therefore, due to bioindividuality (genetics, current health status), you could easily need more of this vitamin than you can get from animal foods. This is particularly true since this water soluble vitamin is easily destroyed by heat, freezing, and simply degradation over time. Therefore, unless you're eating cuts of very fresh raw meat that are relatively high in this vitamin, you could easily get less than what you currently need and develop scurvy. Do you really _want_ to eat lots of fresh, raw liver just to get enough vitamin C? If your vitamin A intake is already high (from egg-yolks), that might not be the best idea! In an interview you had with Carneval that I watched yesterday you reported that you have _scleroderma._ One quote I just looked up about the functions of vitamin C in the human body states: _"Vitamin C is needed for the growth and repair of tissues in all parts of your body. It is used to: Form an important protein used to make skin, tendons, ligaments, and blood vessels. Heal wounds and form scar tissue."_ Therefore, it seems likely to me that anyone recovering from scleroderma might require _vastly_ more Vitamin C each day than someone like Paul Saladino who appears to be in excellent health and only requires enough of the vitamin for maintenance. Please remember that we are *not* vegans! We don't need to rigidly reject any particular foods or supplements for ideological reasons -- it's just *food* not a religion! All we are trying to do is obtain and maintain optimal health. I personally eat a mostly-carnivorous diet, but I don't avoid spices, eat plants on occasion, and take supplemental vitamin C. I don't see anything wrong with that. Ascorbic acid is probably the cheapest and safest vitamin supplement money can buy. The benefits of adequate intake are huge, and it is practically impossible to overdose on this vitamin since any excess is easily and reliably excreted in the urine. Extremely high doses _might_ contribute to the formation of kidney stones, but that theory is currently unproven, and the potential problem is easily avoided simply by doing the obvious thing -- *don't take extremely high doses!* For most people, I'd suggest just taking about 100 mg of ascorbic acid 1-3 times a day (or a daily multivitamin) and not worry about it, rather than living with the constant worry that you might develop scurvy on a carnivore diet. In your case, an even higher dose might be warranted. If you don't want to take a supplement, then fresh lemon and/or lime juice added to water is another good way to get more vitamin C without the sugar. The carnivore police aren't going to hunt you down and crucify you for adding a few lemons to your diet!

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

@@andreafalconiero9089 Please understand that I am taking vitamin C. I know for a fact that I need it. I just couldn't puzzle out why. Your idea makes perfect sense to me. My body isn't a normal body and - even if I were healthy - some people require more and that's all there is to it. Right now the accepted science about scleroderma is that we're not to take vitamin C for fear that it will stimulate the collagen production that's destroying us. But, as far as I know, that's only a theory and not backed up by any hard science. They may be very wrong about that. The other thing that I've come to understand is that collagen is really a generic term for a multitude of different structures. The healthy collagen in young skin isn't the same as the collagen in keloid scars (that scleroderma patients have in abundance) or the collagen around the intestines which is a different structure from the collagen that holds the structure of the heart or that cushions the vertebrae. I'm starting to think that my enemy isn't necessarily collagen, but improper or poor collagen. Thus, denying myself what my body needs to create and maintain healthy collagen probably isn't smart. If my body is crying out for more vitamin C, it gets it. I do accept my reality, I just want to understand it! lol! I think you understand why I'm not dogmatic about 'my way is the only way.' Hell, I'm still trying to figure out what 'my way' really is. :-)

[@andreafalconiero9089]

@@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 Unlike you, I know next to nothing about scleroderma, but it sounds like someone suggested _avoiding_ sources of vitamin C in order to prevent the body from repairing itself by forming scar tissue. This idea seems very unsound -- essentially what is being proposed is that people with scleroderma should _induce_ Vitamin C deficiency (or at least insufficiency) in order to prevent the progression of the _symptoms_ of the disease. While that might work to some degree, it seems like a bad tradeoff! As I understand it, the scar tissue forms as part of the repair process -- even if unsightly, it is an effect that is benign in itself, and indicates that your body's cells are healthy and _capable_ of repairing the damage caused by the immune system attack. I think the only real solution is to fix the underlying problem with the immune system somehow -- get it to stop attacking healthy cells, and the symptoms of scleroderma (scar tissue, etc.) should abate, or at least no longer progress. Hopefully you'll find the solution to that problem in a carnivorous diet.

[@Michael-ei3vy]

One of my plant vices is lemon water. I love freshly squeezed lemon in mineral water.

[@jeffreyadams648]

Great logo

[@HopkajícíKrálíček]

Do you recommend iodine supplements for us vegans? Thanks.

[@HopkajícíKrálíček]

@Sirius White Is there any evidence for that?

[@oaktree2406]

Look at that brain. That's a nice brain.

[@martykendall5111]

rather than moving the nutrient goal posts what if you could focus on getting more of the nutrients you are likely to need more of?

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

vit C is the only real issue at play here

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

@Sirius White you seem unsure

[@martinarnold5239]

All this stuff is great. Problem I have is that all I got from carnivore was constipation.

[@LaneCodeRedCarnivore]

It may not be constipation because meat is thorougly digested and needed. There is nothing left to "come out" 😆

[@robbielynmccrary872]

Why has she gained weight notice stomach, face, and thighs? Definitely gained weight. I ask because how can a person feel confident to practice carnivore long term for weight loss if a person ca gain body fat? Also how can a person teach about carnivore and not walk the walk like Jimmy Moore? No comparison weight wise just if you gain body fat in the stomach area and face, it makes it look like carnivore and Keto fails. I’m doing Keto. Not downing her, just don’t like paradoxes.

[@92JacobG]

Yeah I thought the same. Then, it is possible to mess up your metabolism on the carnivore diet when too little fat is eaten.

[@AnimaLibera]

Robbielyn: Gaining weight on a carnivore diet is easy. Just add fat and/or eat a little more than your body requires (because it tastes so good). Some of us are foodies, and life happens. 😉

[@westonprice6272]

Good weight is not unhealthy, in adipose tissue you store vitamins and other useful things. The quality of fat you put on is just better. It depends on what you want. The thing about carnivore is about feeling great and that you can freely choose if you care and want more or less body fat. If you look a little theres not much difference with keto aside leaving the antinutrients and toxins behind. That's why is better for mood and well being, but regardless to weight loss is almost the same.

[@hubris7389]

I'm not sure of her age but I will suggest that IF she is going through menopause - the hormonal imbalances will contribute greatly to difficulties with weight regulation. Alternatively, even as a carnivore I find myself drawn to have a cheat now and then (rarely, as it can kick you out of ketosis) which can cause immediate bloating and health problems. Further, I'd suggest people go watch Ivor Cummins interviews - he did one with a hormone specialist who's main clientele is women and those going through menopause; one of the things he gets his clients to do is reduce the fat ratio (on a keto diet) while going through hormonal imbalances to maintain weight better.

[@x00p3]

It's alright to put on some weight as long as one doesn't get too carried away. It's ridiculous to think that everyone should have a six pack. I would much rather have a little fat on my belly than look like John McDougall or Michael Greger.

[@goodtexture]

iodine is used in much more than thyroid tissue

[@Michael-cl9mb]

Probably the only controversial nutrient for Carnivory.

[@goodtexture]

@@Michael-cl9mb why?

[@Michael-cl9mb]

@@goodtexture there is very little in AF. From what I understand people "feel good" during beach vacations because the body is craving so bad for it that skin can absorb it from the air. Halogens vaporize easily and the ocean is a heaven of iodine swooshing it in the air. Contrary to inland cows, cows fed near the beach show iodine in their milk!

[@goodtexture]

@@Michael-cl9mb very little iodine in almost Any food. I speculate iodine requirements downregulate on carnivore as well. ok to supplement the #1 nutrient deficiency of all time on both vegan and carnivore perhaps

[@Michael-cl9mb]

@@goodtexture that is true.

[@MrJaaaaake]

Why is there no data for all the Western countries lol

[@johnford5568]

Scientists who know most the complexity and design of living organisms will have to answer when they meet their designer, the sin nature's ability to ignore the Creator is astounding. Romans 1:25 - For they exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

[@Andy-tf2il]

Spot on, John!

[@larawhite5890]

Why do I not see fit lean bodies of female presenters?

[@TheEquinox99]

@Lara a White. I think that all of them used to be heavier and have lost weight. My personal experience is this: I’ve lost 60 plus pounds on paleo then Keto then a mostly carnivore. The last time I was this weight, I was not lumpy and schlumpy looking. This time, i am. I think being at a certain weight, having not been much more than that, has you looking healthy. If you go way up and then down, you don’t go back to the original state. At least I haven’t. Also, In my office, if you look at a group of women all the same weight, you can pretty precisely tell who used to be heavier because they simply do not look as sleek as the others who were never overweight.

[@MrNickdino]

Why does she have a belly? I thought people lose weight on carnivore diet and they say that she is on it for over 10 years.

[@metheiam5714]

Perhaps it is loose skin? Perhaps she isn't on carnivore to get the hot body to show off, but to simply feel better mentally?

[@Vitiaz1975]

If she know so much about human body why she look so unhealthy , she shoud be perfect

[@sadrien]

Maybe decades of suffering from severe auto-immune disease takes a while to recover from...

[@krzysztofmiszczuk2089]

Not every health issues history you can erase. Learn more about her life first, it's a humbling lesson...

[@eddancros]

No offense, I wouldn't take nutrition advice from someone who looks like this. She's not even an MD, she's a data scientist. This is so obviously a scam. I feel bad for people who are so desperate they would pay attention to this.

[@w1975b]

All hail the MD's, because they are God (sarcasm for anyone who can't tell)! Most of them are biased and not even taught how people should be taking care of themselves. They are taught to cut, poison and burn. So if you get a physical injury or actually have an at-the-moment life threatening situation (can't breathe, heart attack, stroke, etc), then yes, go to an MD. For prevention, look elsewhere. There are probably thousands of MD's who look worse than she does, overweight or skin and bones. And many of them are also drug addicts. Why would people be desperate enough to listen to this? Because conventional "medicine" is not working for them.

[@eddancros]

@@w1975b Well if you prefer miracles over science, this is the diet for you.

[@andreafalconiero9089]

@@eddancros The whole lecture she's talking about the _science,_ you clown. Only one in a million doctors would know _any_ of this stuff she's talking about in this lecture. Doctors receive almost _no_ training in nutritional biochemistry, and certainly nothing about how RDAs are established, unless they choose to research the subject themselves.

[@eddancros]

Andrea Falconiero sorry by science I meant double blind placebo trials. Meta analysis and population studies, all of which conclude that meat intake is associated with a host of diseases.

[@andreafalconiero9089]

@@eddancros The _topic_ of this video is RDAs, and how those are established, and what effect differences in diet have on the applicability of RDAs. What does that have to do with the blather you just posted claiming something about how harmful meat is to human health? It's not merely untrue, but more importantly -- completely irrelevant. Clearly, you are just another vegan troll.

[@jamesforrestal403]

Genesis 2.7 And Yehowah Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Let's give our Creator credit where credit is due. Evolution is B.S.

[@Andy-tf2il]

Spot on, Forrest Shalom!