Carrying concealed in a business with a posted no carry sign?

In this video Michael and Derek discuss the consequences of carrying a gun in a business with a posted no carry sign. Also touch on getting your CHL license in a neighboring county and reciprocity law.
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[@timothywilson8172]

I live in California, it's probably a Illegal for me to be watching this video.

[@mr.potato7440]

Timothy Wilson it is you're under arrest now bitch.. put em up!

[@TotallyPitted]

Timothy Wilson it's illegal to even speak of concealed carry.

[@rabbitdrink]

Timothy Wilson we've already lost our rights here. What's this second amendment I keep hearing about?

[@juancortez7091]

what can we do or is Commifornia now too shit beyond repair? Im going to turn 18 soon but I live in cali, should I just move to a different state or is there hope to fix this liberal shithole?

[@megamaniac76]

Juan, there is no hope, you should move

[@taofledermaus]

If the business notices you have gun, you aren't concealing very well in the first place.

[@jacobriddle7230]

TAOFLEDERMAUS agreed

[@jfbeam]

Indeed. One can violate the law and carry anyway, or stay legal and take their business elsewhere. (obviously, they should opt for the latter)

[@revengeoftheseth]

Better to have a .22 than nothing. Why not carry a .38 in a pocket holster with cargo pants?

[@jlogan2228]

TAOFLEDERMAUS exactly. Ive carried many times into a theater especially after all these theatre shootings and never had a problem. Mainly bc i make absolute sure that if im carrying, its going to be as discrete as physically possibly

[@JohnLloydScharf]

If you knowingly walk onto property where a firearm is prohibited with your firearm in Oregon, it is criminal trespass, up to a year in prison and $6,250 fine. ORS 164.265¹ Criminal trespass while in possession of a firearm If you carry on my property I will know if your firearm weighs over 16 oz. Entry onto my property with a firearm without my permission will not meet your needs over time and may not be made right in your lifetime.

[@JohnDoe-on6ru]

Criminal: Hmmm, this looks like a great place to rob! Oh crap no guns allowed, well off to another place...

[@fins7195]

I have always stated that ignorance and not intending to break a law is no excuse. Except only after a full FBI investigation and the director says there "was no intent"... Have to love double standards...

[@apothecaryjohn]

fins 71 Intent to violate a law? Or intent to undergo an act which violates a law?

[@alejandrogonzales7022]

Hahaha.... "full investigation"

[@danielweston9188]

Not all laws require Intent. The ones that do- do so for a reason.

[@rooted5976]

"...at this point what difference does it make"

[@flyoverkid55]

I live in Ohio and I choose to ignore the signs. This is my choice and I'm not advocating for others to do so. My method of concealment was carefully chosen and I'm confident that my firearm will not become exposed unless I present it. The last thing I ever want to say to another friend or family member is " If only I'd had my firearm none of this would have happened ".

[@sambyrd9874]

Kevin M same I live in Cleveland and I carry anywhere that doesn't have metal detectors

[@RemoteViewr1]

Kevin M Preach it brother. I'd like to believe that 99% os us conceal well, but wont risk going unarmed and putting family at risk of a violent actor's behavior.

[@JimmyGunXD556]

Sam Byrd Me too!!! Go Cavs!!!!

[@biocybernaught3512]

I'm in Ohio as well. I'll avoid a posted business if it's something like a gas station and I can go across the street to another, but if the business is the only one of it's kind for 40 miles then I'm going in while carrying.

[@tone3560]

Well if anything does happen then this statement will be used in court against you.

[@danielerickson7649]

As an officer in Texas...this is a law I will not enforce. Our law does not say SHALL arrest, and I don't agree with a business deciding to make its customers/ employees LESS safe!

[@Mikpm57]

God bless Nevada. We can carry even when there’s a “no guns” sign posted.

[@lonewanderer3603]

If you are carrying correctly and are not using your gun criminally, nobody should ever know. If situation arises where you need to shoot, do you care? I carry everywhere I go. Period.

[@MrGunny2009]

Amen. Everyday, everywhere, except when I use an airline, which I avoid whenever possible. If the gun is properly concealed, the issue never comes up for discussion anyway. If you must use it, you will still not care that you are breaking someone's rule.

[@TheBenrollo]

LoneWanderer360 still illegal. Doesn't matter.

[@Lipitorforall]

My life is more precious than the law

[@bluecollarnobody4217]

LoneWanderer360 right there with you brother

[@kevlar6836]

LoneWanderer360 I have one for when I take a crap in my own house & bought a stainless steel one for in the shower.

[@jasonparsons2579]

"... shall not be infringed." Anything repugnant to the Constitution notwithstanding. Unconstitutional law can be ignored with impunity.

[@explosivebest3703]

Who defines unconstitutional? I'm happy to say the American constitution sucks

[@lokiprepper]

@@explosivebest3703 Then move somewhere where universal human rights aren’t confirmed by a legally binding constitution. Let me know how it is.

[@explosivebest3703]

@@lokiprepper I can because New Zealand doesn't have that kind of constitution yet human rights are guaranteed. The biggest issue I have with the US constitution is the gun rights, it's like a legal reason to shoot someone unprovoked. Is it any wonder mass shootings are ridiculously high there.

[@lokiprepper]

@@explosivebest3703 As a US citizen, I can say with confidence that it’s a people problem, not a gun problem. Didn’t you guys just have a mass stabbing recently? By the way, if you shoot someone unprovoked, you will go to prison for life if it was intentional. I have a permit to carry a handgun at all times, and they strongly emphasize to never use your gun unless there is absolutely no other option. The statement you made regarding the second amendment allowing us to shoot anyone unprovoked is pure hyperbole.

[@explosivebest3703]

@@lokiprepper it was a mass shooting 2 years ago but the difference is that it was completely unprecedented. It's like the normal state of affairs in the US. Besides it is a gun problem with an element involving people though I don't understand how you lot don't see it for what it is. Our government made immediate changes to legislation after the mass shooting within weeks to further mitigate against that. New Zealand is anc always will be a safer place to live than America. Why are so arrogant to think that because of your constitution, you're the only country in the world that affords human rights and freedoms. That is just arrogant and ignorant.

[@SuperUncleRyan]

If a business doesn't want you to carry concealed, DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH THEM! Let everyone you know that they shouldn't go there either because only criminals are safe there. A huge part of standing up for your rights is not helping people who would deny you your rights.

[@LMike2004]

A "No Carry" sign. Wow, that should turn away any scary criminals.

[@Krytern]

Glad I don't live in America where we don't get mass shootings due to retarded gun laws.

[@Colin_Tel]

Krytern UK Glad I don't live in the UK where I can get arrested for possessing a screwdriver

[@Krytern]

Colin Mishima - I'd rather get arrested for having a screwdriver then have my children shot in a school. Lets not even get started on the organutan Americans have as president.

[@bongwaterbaptist]

Your children are more likely to get hit by a car than your children getting shot

[@SonGoku-yp1uj]

@Pennsylvania Mike i was about to lay some facts and stats on the matter but you got it covered bother. Oh, let them know it's spelled orangutan. At least our orangutan has balls. Trump 2020🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@jugifu]

I ALWAYS have my gun at the movies. It is a "fish in a barrel" situation and I would rather not see the movie than sit through it without my pistol. Common sense: Keep it concealed and if you have to use it they can give me whatever charges they want to, better than being dead.

[@KyleWilliamsMusic1]

Is it better than being dead though?

[@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305]

99.99% of the stores that have no gun policies in Virginia, like AMC movie theatre and subway and safeway and chipotle and so forth.. Ive never seen a no gun sign on the doors. Which means i can carry a gun in there all i want, despite them having policies online stating no guns. Reason is because in VA the store has to have a no gun sign.. if they dont, their policy means jack shit.. Only if the manager asks me to remove the gun from the premisis do i have to listen. Otherwise if no one says anything i can go in all i want.

[@user-do2ev2hr7h]

Or you could just not go see the movie (or see it at a different theater without that rule) and not have to worry about either. This seems like wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

[@nonyabiz9487]

Just because there is a situation where a firearm is presented in a public place dosent mean you have to use your firearm too. You would have to be very careful on what actions you do. I would say even more so than any law enforcement. I hate to say it but the best course of action may be to just leave the area as quickly as possible. Its not a cowardly thing to do its a "Im not protected by my laws in this country well enough to do anything" situation.

[@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305]

@@nonyabiz9487 problem with the usa. Is we have states.. each state is different... In virginia for example. If i feel like ny life is in danger from someone who is charging me with a weapon. Or if im being attacked. I have the right to shoot to kill. In other states though you have to try to run away or de escalate the situation.. But the problem with that is.. how are you to de escalate someone wanting to physically hurt or kill you.. in those situations you may only have seconds to react.. which is why i like the laws in Virginia.. shoot first ask questions later. Now in Virginia IF YOU started the argument. Or joined it from someone else.. and you had your gun on you.. then you can get in trouble because the one with a deadly weapon on you starting or joining in ob a argument. In ny opiniin there are just way too many laws in this country.. and states to know all of them.

[@59BigWalt]

Are we to believe that since they have posted a"No Carry" sign that the business now have the responsibility of keeping us safe??

[@ericfredrickson5517]

Can they be financially and possibly criminally liable for failure to keep their patrons safe, because is not the sign a tacit and implied assurance that they accept responsibility for their customers safety?

[@StephenKershaw1]

you have no say in the matter... when you enter private property with a firearm, you have now become a criminal .... and you will be put down like a rabid dog and nothing you can do about it btch boy

[@magicrobharv]

Great video. I love the phrase "Criminal Protection Zone."

[@saved03]

Me personally I would love to see private business owners or managers charged with negligent homicide if a gun was brought into their business and a person or people were murdered. While the business had a gun free zone sign posted. With rights comes responsibilities. If you choose to exercise your right to have your business a gun free zone. Then you have the responsibilities to ensure that a gun will not make it pass the entrance. Having armed security along with metal detectors at entrances. You are not required by law to have this level of security when posting. However if you neglect to do so and a shooting accrues inside your business. You are responsible for their death as being negligent. It is not murder but rather manslaughter. I think you will see less businesses post crap like no guns allowed.

[@Miller98k]

saved03 Good points

[@jakejohanson6562]

saved03 So true!!

[@merendell]

I agree. Those signs basically amount to "Easy target here" markers for the criminals. If a business wants to put those up they should be liable for any damage or injury caused due to them creating a risky environment and not taking prudent precautions, aka armed security to look after the now disarmed public.

[@johny8145]

Merendel idk it's hard to agree with that IMO only because that's kinda like placing it towards the narrative that a gun killed somebody and it reinforces in a false-positive type of way of people that say the gun killed ______. You've heard the famous "guns don't kill people I kill people" which is kinda why I wouldn't agree with the business being held responsible cuz it focuses the root of the crime being because of a gun instead of focusing it on the actions of an individual

[@saved03]

+John y Well a business is held liable if a person is injured in their store for faulty shelving as an example. The shelf is not what caused the injury but rather the business failure to fix the shelf. It has to do with responsibility. If a business forces me to be unarmed. Now my safety is the responsibility of the business owner and or manager.

[@100fredkrueger]

Here in Oklahoma we passed a law a few years ago to protect us carriers from getting charged with trespassing if we carried past a sign. Now the signs really don’t mean squat. If I am caught carrying past a sign the business can ask me to leave and if I refuse and they call the police I will be asked to leave and if I refuse the most that can happen is I could get a $200 ticket. I carry past every single sign I see unless it’s the places I can’t like the court house and such. So glad we passed this law. Now we are still covered under the self defense act if we carry past a sign and shoot someone lawfully. And we have all the castle doctrine here as well as our stand your ground law. The people that put up no guns signs are just fools. Thankfully we at least have one business in the town I live that is a pharmacy and he has a please carry sign!! I guarantee his place will never be robbed!

[@itscork]

I don't give a crap. A little plastic sign isn't going to prevent me from protecting myself.

[@esimoson]

itscork what needs to happen are major law suits when someone gets shot they need to sue for millions I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers out there to take this on. enough law suits and they will stop the bullshit.

[@beccazam2959]

itscork You'll think different when they have stripped you of your right, for violating the law. And if you can't respect someone else's right, to not have armed people in their place of buisness. Then you shouldn't be carrying a firearm. As you have no respect for others around you.

[@itscork]

Becca Zam Nope, I can say with absolute certainty that I will NEVER feel different about this particular issue. Criminals don't follow laws and therefore if one decides to try and kill myself or a family member, I absolutely will do everything within my power to prevent it. Don't really care about your feelings. Judge me all you want.

[@holycanoliotis]

"Criminals don't follow laws and neither do I..." smart.

[@beccazam2959]

itscork Well you won't be doing your family any good when your sitting in jail. Or are stripped of your rights. For violating the law, and treading on the rights of others. I live in a state were those signs don't cary the weight of law, as they do in Ohio, and some other states. But you still have to leave if asked to. Or face criminal trespass charges. To me it isn't worth the risks. So I avoid businesses that put up these signs. I feel if they don't trust their law abiding customers, and respect their right to feel secure. That business doesn't deserve my dollars. Reading some of your opinions, and the way they are expressed. Makes me wonder if you're in the 1% of legal gun owners who carry regularly. The 1% that ends up with a crimal felony conviction for a firearm related offence. In the end, what you chose to do is your choice. I don't need to judge you. As I said. I expect one day a real judge will be doing that.

[@augsburg74aya]

I carry anyway I refuse to be a helpless target, I was robbed at knife point in the state of Virginia and I was not armed and I have never felt so vulnerable and helpless in my entire life

[@trevorvick3281]

Where at? I live in richmond

[@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305]

Yea, i had a punk one time start a argument with me, and before i knew he started charging walking quickly with a knife in his hand concealing it with his fingers.. it was a small pocket knife but still a knife. The moment i put my hand in my pockets to reach for my phone he stopped and backed off, he thought i was pulling a gun out. I didnt own any guns then, but i do now. And just the simple motion of me reaching made him stop.. imagine if i actually had a gun.. I wouldnt even have to pull it out.. just reaching makes people think.. Im in northern VA btw, and in virginia stores have to have a sign saying no guns allowed.. If they dont then you can walk in there open carry or conceal carry, it doesnt matter, state law even states that store policy means nothing if there is no sign. ONLY time you have to remove the gun from the premesis is if a manager asks.. otherwise they cant do anything if there is no sign

[@jeremyjeremy8795]

Sheriff should be impeached for refusing to do his sworn duty

[@Rabbit_Trix]

Jesus Jones I agree, same thing for marriage licenses. Just do your job and keep your opinions to yourself, they don't matter because they aren't law.

[@brooksh.6028]

Just like the one in parkland.

[@CPTdrawer22]

Krytern UK - Despite your disdain for American lives and the cursing apparently intended to underscore that disdain, let me point out that people in danger from threats shown to be likely have died with a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) clutched to their bosom. This while waiting for written permission to purchase a firearm lawfully, after which, of course, they would have had to wait for arbitrary permission to carry a sidearm, if that permission would ever have been given. The "slight delay" you scorn as if irrelevant has cost the lives of law-abiding Americans. But then you might say, "It's only Americans. Who cares?" Good point, as you obviously don't. You probably aren't even grateful for the intervention of NRA members who donated their personally owned firearms, that your armed forces might have *some* weapons to stave off Nazi invasion following y'all's disaster at Dunkirk (American spelling of the French locale). Chances are, you wouldn't be writing in English here were it not for the unselfishness of American firearms owners, yet you would disarm those very same people who, but for the 2d Amendment to our Constitution of the United States of America, wouldn't have had the weapons to give y'all so altruistically. That's ok; we're Americans, and we're accustomed to the ingratitude received when assisting others who really aren't worthy of the assistance. No biggee! Tell ya what: Take a bullseye of your choosing downrange; I'll hold one of any size you wish. You throw whatever you can find at me; I'll put rounds into the bullseye you're holding. Let's see who survives. That will end this discussion in which you rely on illogic. Fair enough? Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

[@ralphmtsu]

Go to Warren County. One of the most Republican counties in the country.

[@coloradosquibnic7697]

Jesus Jones he/she will be up for re election, make sure this kind of behavior is well known throughout the county,,get a new sheriff in town

[@Dylan9664]

I found this channel by chance and as soon as you starting naming off places I was familiar with I was enthralled. Good to know that I'm a stones spitting distance from you; I'm from Bexley. Glad to see you guys do what you do.

[@rudder727]

Every state is different. In Tennessee you can carry in a private business with a no gun sign. If they see you have a gun and ask you to leave, if you don't then you will get a trespass charge. That's it. However, if you do not carry in a private business with a no carry sign, and you are injured and a gun could have prevented that... the business can be held liable for your injuries.

[@jester65jn]

Darn I wish I would have read your post before I posted but anyway well said Rudder727 same in KY

[@DigitalHaze65536]

Pennsylvania is the same.

[@TheRealSimpleSimon]

Colorado is: "If asked to leave and you don't -> trespass", NOT a firearms offense. I would love to see someone sue a CPZ business for damages if you do decide to disarm and something happens. There's no law here either way.

[@TheRealSimpleSimon]

Hey asshat - maybe you should learn ENGLISH. And the difference between "trespass" and "firearms offense".

[@Krytern]

TheRealSimpleSimon - If someone tells you to get off their property and you refuse you are trespassing. This is very simple to understand do you need a dictionary?

[@blorph1]

They could also post a sign saying 'You must wear pink underwear or none at all'. Would have exactly the same effect on red blooded American males. BTW, it's very satisfying to be carrying where shop owners post 'No guns allowed' signs.

[@Kushbitty]

Another proud buckeye carrier here - Extremely grateful for the content you guys provide; thank you! I live in probably the most liberal area of Ohio (Yellow Springs), but have a great relationship with my local LEO's as well as law offices. I commend you for the content you put out, and hope you continue producing for as long as possible! Take care guys 👊

[@nimbly1693]

I love you guys! If you see a sign, leave and write them a letter saying they have lost your business. I have done this a lot.

[@william629]

@ 2:33, so there doesn't have to be intent in order to be charged with a crime?! James Comey had me thinking otherwise with Hillary Clinton!! SARCASM!!!

[@rmyukon]

2nd Amendment says that KFC and Taco Bell can't tell me I can't have a concealed weapon in their store. That's ridiculous. When I have a concealed carry permit, I should be able to carry anywhere, at any time in the state that I have that license.

[@michag4337]

No the 2nd doesn't. It says the government can't infringe, it doesn't say anything about a private individual. It's the "My house my rules" statute you hear thrown around with social media. The government can't say you can't carry in KFC, however the owner of KFC can, and the government will enforce that, the same way you would enforce someone entering your home with gun who you didn't want to be there. It's private property that you are aloud to enter under specific rules, if you break those rules you are now trespassing. Same as free speech. The government can arrest you for saying fuck my boss, but that doesn't mean your boss can't fire you. The bill of rights are rights that THE GOVERNMENT can't infringe upon, not private individuals.

[@garyomalley4521]

Conceal carry “permit”😀😀😀 “shall not be infringed” hmmmm.

[@madmaxer525]

Thanks for answering my question. love the content you guys put out.

[@jimmytwotimes4328]

Jus about to take my range test fri. So this channel seems very helpful

It varies from state to state. Know the laws of the state you live in.

[@blwngt1598]

Walter Strong That is absolutely correct & the only way to go about it!

[@markallemand5738]

Walter Strong. That's Why I love Texas. Only signs that matter are 30.06, 30.07, and 51%. All other signs (so far) are just suggestions.

[@Spushed]

Mark Allemand please clarify your comment

[@jamesregan2181]

Spushed Texas law is very specific about the wording and sizes of no go allowed signs. If a posted sign is not as large as the law specifies and is not worded exactly right then it is not legally enforceable.

[@sean6077]

where i live, Alabama, the AG said last year that "no guns allowed" signs must be taken down as they are in violation of the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution and Article 1, Section 26, of the State of Alabama Constitution.

[@traeucity6087]

Why is that a County Clerk gets lambasted and jailed for refusing to sign gay marriage licenses, for religious reasons; but Sheriffs can refuse to process concealed carry requests and NFA letters, for personal or political reasons?

[@OrDuneStudios]

Time to start worshiping balistics

[@jello1847]

God bless you for all of your videos! really appreciate it brother!

[@richlessig4596]

I'm a new subscriber I appreciate all of the info I will recommend your chanel to all my friends thank you for what you do.

[@nicklausbooks1593]

Outta sight outta mind.

[@HIMcules2112]

what can be done in Illinois where as soon as concealed carry was passed the police basically went to every business and leaned on them to post no gun signs?

[@michaelchesny656]

Thanks for posting this.

[@icebergo6]

wow, I can't believe how many people are objecting to your thorough description of the LAW as if their personal opinion would have weight in court. great vid, thanks

[@TexasGTO]

I'll risk a little jail time for my life time. Which do you think is more important?

[@williamrobinson6059]

TexasGTO "Law abiding gun owner"

[@prmachinegunner]

William Robinson while normally I'm all for following laws. But one could morally argue that not all laws have good intentions and they do change constantly. Slavery and discrimination were laws. Does that mean they were morally correct? I think not. Heck even in the army i have a duty to disobey certain orders if they are deemed wrong. Even though you swear to follow all orders of those appointed above you. It's a predicament i guess. Best course of action would be to try and get the law changed

[@AndrewSmith-cn3el]

It's better to be judged by twelve then cared by six

[@cravenjooooooooooooo]

D DEY Well then I guess you never crossed a road or drive a car as although the "odds" of a fetal acsedent are low you are still gambilting with you life.

[@bartvanriel6767]

Chances of your gun saving your life that day are very slim compared to getting busted

[@unclejack123]

How come an individual(business owner)/municipality(city or county) or a State can make a law, that supersedes the Constitution of the United States, and you guys haven't taken it all the way to the Supreme Court of the Land?.......... JRW

[@andrewrowzee5411]

unclejack123 I agree.

[@rogermurph101]

unclejack123 a business owner has every right to not allow you to carry a weapon on their property/in their building, etc. Constitutional rights are in place to prevent the government from violating our freedoms.

[@andrewrowzee5411]

rogermurph101 Because criminals follow laws and listen to people in the 1st place right?

[@rogermurph101]

Andrew Rowzee what the hell does that mean? Criminal behavior has absolutely nothing to do with owners of private property (business owners) not allowing guns on their property.

[@MrBogfrog]

Because it's their property. They don't have to let you on their property in the first place. "My roof, my rules". Should a church be forced to allow free speech and let anyone off the street speak to the congregation on Sunday morning? Now, as far as local governments go, you are absolutely right. But private citizens can do whatever they want with their own property.

[@mikebeasley2942]

I'm in Alabama and you guys keep me well informed.

[@michaelbowman7558]

I noticed a sign in the entrance of a business in Ohio yesterday that represents a major policy change here. It stated (and I paraphrase) that persons may not carry in the business unless authorized by Ohio Revised Code. Ohio's concealed carry laws are part of the Ohio Revised Code (ORC), so am I correct in the belief that this allows me, as a licensed concealed carrier, to carry and the only restriction applies to people carrying a firearm illegally, without a license. If so, this is a refreshing change to not criminalize legal gunowners. Kudos to the Ohio legislators who have seen the light and "Thank you!"

[@tonylwright]

I would much rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[@MarkGamingTV]

My question is, if I walk into a store with my concealed weapon and for example an active shooter situation comes up, and I have to use my weapon. Will I be criminally charged for saving the lives of others?

[@Phoenix-ox2jr]

If the owners are dicks, perhaps. If people actually followed the law then there would be no active shooters.

[@Lipitorforall]

In that situation, they'd prolly let it slide. But if they desired to they could probably still get you for it...albeit, youd actually be ALIVE and prosecutable.

[@robosborn2211]

No one knows I have it. No harm done. Its not like I whip it out and point the laser during a movie at the theatre. The best gun is one no one knows you have. An armed society is a polite society. No one has ever tried to invade Switzerland

[@TheRealSimpleSimon]

Depends: Are your local LEOs #badgedthugs, or actual Peace Officers?

[@ralphmtsu]

Depending on the state, owners have little say on if you will be charged. It is all up to the prosecutors.

[@brotherheed00]

Came across this randomly. Cool info. Keep it up. Ccw from WA.

[@joshuashaw9384]

As far as I know in Georgia "no carry" signs are unenforceable

[@bobperu1]

Lets say your in a movie theater and you just ignore the sign as your carrying ccw and someone comes in and starts shooting patrons to movie and you pull out your gun and drop them and make them stop shooting people are you gonna face charges?

[@Darin-USMCB--]

Louis Bonasera In a liberal state, probably.

[@JohnDoe-on6ru]

But that's impossible. A person couldn't just come in and start shooting people. There's a "No guns allowed" sign.

[@epickett63]

@Semper Fi - Does *anyone* have a link to where that happened? Where a CCW ignored a 'no guns' sign, and was able to stop a bad guy with a gun? If it hasn't yet, the first such case will definitely be a media circus...

[@evandesmond8718]

epickett63 nah, media wouldn't cover it. Doesn't fit their liberal narrative that good guys with guns do a hell of a lot more good against evil people than a posted sign on a window.

[@redtra236]

Depends. In California for example ignoring the sign is not a criminal offense if you can legally carry otherwise(now getting the permit in Cali is kind of hard). Same here in Missouri. Some more strict states like Ohio and Texas this is not the case.

[@gerrymatheson4020]

I know many disagree with me and judging from your comment about private property I'm guessing you do too...but my opinion is that any gun free zone is unconstitutional and should not exist, including any private property that is open to the public for business. If it's your private property and you don't want me bringing my gun over for dinner that's fine...that's your prerogative and right, but if you are a business open to the public you should not be able to strip me of my 2nd amendment right and discriminate against me forcing me to have to choose between disarming and patronizing you or finding another business to meet my needs. I'm not asking you to invest yourself in my event or bake my special cake or decorate or do the flowers for my wedding. If you are open to the public you need to respect a constitutional right like this one. Just like you couldn't say you won't allow blacks or handicapped into your place of business and you're required to make certain accommodations for handicap access, it's not exclusively your private property to do as you wish. There are certain expectations and requirements to be open to the public for business. One of those should certainly be respecting peoples 2nd amendment rights.

[@heathjones7002]

Gerry Matheson absolutely correct!

[@countrysamurai]

You need to read the Founders thoughts on how sacrosanct private property is. As much as I hate the practice and disagree with it...government has absolutely no legal right to force anyone who owns a private business to allow gun carriers into their business. If they can...then it is no longer private property and we only own it at the behest of the government. Remember the sign..."We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." Liberty is not supposed to make us comfortable, you don't like it...take your business elsewhere or set up your own shop. How can we expect people to respect our right to bear arms if we refuse to accept their right to conduct business with whom they choose? And I am sorry...that means everyone. The free market will determine who stays in business and who dies on the vine. The idiot country singer Toby Keith had a restaurant in Virginia and had signs posted...no guns allowed. The gun owners raised so much hell and cut his business to nothing...I understand the restaurant relented and lifted the gun ban. After that...I would still never go back. His business deserved to die but by using the free market...not government intervention which is the last thing we need. Gun laws are an example of this...right? Our dollars are way more powerful than idiotic laws.

[@gerrymatheson4020]

I'm all for limiting government meddling in people's businesses. But when it comes to an inalienable, constitutional right a business open to the public should not be able to infringe on that right in any way. If you hire non-family and/or are open to the public I would think there should be the expectation that you respect and honor that right, period. The "right to refuse service to anyone" is not in the context of inalienable rights. No shoes, no shirt, no service is not infringing on any right. When you open your doors to the public there are certain expectations and requirements. For example, providing adequate accessibility to all persons, including handicapped. Your private business is not allowed to ignore or sidestep that. It certainly should not be able to ignore the 2nd amendment. If your buddy and his wife, or your Uncle Bernie don't want you bringing your gun into their home when you come over for dinner that's their prerogative... that truely is their private property and you are a guest. As a customer of a business I am free to boycot them and take my business elsewhere, but I should not be forced to do that, to have to make the choice to go elsewhere, or deal with the inconvenience of finding another similar business. Free market system or not, when it's a constitutional right a customer should not be forced to go elsewhere. To me, baking a cake, or creating specific decorations or flower arrangements, or hosting an event at your venue, is a much more personal investment and involvement than just having someone come into your store and buy something off the shelf or browse. You should be free to decline something that takes active, personal investment of yourself and your emotional energy and creativity. You wouldn't and couldn't force an artist or sculptor to paint or sculpt something they did not want to invest themselves in. A very different issue than banning a customer from your store because of their race or color or sexual preference, or their choice to carry.

[@pehenry]

Gerry, I think you're wrong. I think a private business on private property should be able to restrict their clients on any categories they wish. If they don't want guns in their store, that's their business. You are squarely in the "I'll force you to bake my cake range". Just take your business elsewhere.

[@gerrymatheson4020]

Walking into your store with my gun on is very different than demanding that you bake a cake for me...or demanding that you sculpt me in the nude or do a painting of my wife, or videotape our orgy...if you were a baker, or a sculptor, or a painter, or a videographer. Asking someone to invest themselves into something is very different than walking in to their store to buy something. Excluding a cc from coming into your store is more comparable to saying a gay can't come in, or a black or a jew.

[@tyclark8162]

Thank you both for the valuable knowledge shared. Most of us have questions pertaining to CCW/CPLs ect, an mine own is this question. I know many good business owners n common day shoppers, that carry, an one day I forgot about my carry weapon IWB n pocket rocket 60yrs in age.

[@judsonkr]

First trip to your channel. Keep up the good work. Liked and subscribed.

[@homefront3162]

If I post a no Liberal sign can I have a liberal arrested?

[@TheSheepDogPatriot1776]

Quit negotiating with your rights, YOU DO NOT NEED A PERMISSION SLIP FROM ANYONE TO CARRY UNDER YOUR SHIRT. The 2nd AMENDMENT IS YOUR PERMIT. You want to argue with me than I will cite Title 18 Sect 241 & 242. I will also cite that NO RIGHT CAN BE CONVERTED INTO A CRIME!! No state may convert a secured liberty into a privilege, and issue a license and fee for it." MURDOCK v. PENNSYLVANIA, 319 U.S. 105 and "If the state does convert a right into a privilege and issue a license and charge a fee for it, you can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity." SHUTTLESWORTH V. BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, 373 U.S. 262 Also No governing body has the AUTHORITY to put stipulations on your Constitutional rights unless you allow them to! You've just been red pilled!!

[@romansten9]

TheSheepDogPatriot1776 I agree EXCEPT "the 2nd Amendment is your permit." sounds good but its a dangerous lie. We dont need a permission slip from the government. it was a right BEFORE the amendment existed. The 2nd Amendment doesn't give anyone rights, it helps guarantee the right that lives on without it. Its a birthright. Stop adding permission slips by using that incorrect phrase.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

TheSheepDogPatriot1776 good luck with that

[@johnwpierce3]

TheSheepDogPatriot1776 You sound like Carl Miller

[@TheSheepDogPatriot1776]

Who?

[@TheSheepDogPatriot1776]

I'm sure they are out there but I do not care what these kangaroo courts decide. Freedoms are taken not given. And will die before I usurp my rights.

[@extremerc76]

As a law abiding gun owner, I don’t see what’s so difficult about this... no gun zone means you can’t bring your gun on the property... that being said my gun goes where I go, you don’t want my gun at your place of business, I’ll happily patronize a business that does.

[@jeffstahrify]

and thanks for making this channel brother

[@SgtBooker44]

It may cost you your CCW/CCL if you go into a posted business.

[@onarampagetwentyfourseven2700]

the posting below shows the ignorance of people and the 2nd amendment. it does not give you the right to carry a gun onto private property when it is posted. the person who owns the property has the right to tell another person that if they wish to enter the property then they cannot have a firearm. I am very pro gun and for concealed carry. But to qoute the 2nd amendment in every gun converstation is not necessary. maybe these gun lawyers should present what the 2nd amendment really gives a citizen the right to and when it is not relavent.

[@knelson3145]

matthew conway it's not the same as someone's house. it's a business open to the public. they can't tell me what I can have in my pocket any more than they can tell a black person they aren't allowed because they're black.

[@onarampagetwentyfourseven2700]

K Nelson private property is private property. public property would be a state or federally owned piece of property. You know like parks, streets , us forestry land. Wal-Mart, your grocery store those are private property. they may allow the general public to enter their property. listen to the lawyers.

[@knelson3145]

matthew conway I'm not a lawyer so I'll shut up. It just seems like if they can force a business to make a cake for a gay couple and serve everyone regardless of race or religion, it seems the same rules would apply to someone who's legally carrying and breaking no laws.

[@zacharylicata679]

matthew conway where I grew up every body carried everywhere but when entering private property (not the street ,your truck or your own land) it was required to clearly state "I'm armed " and if requested u give up your gun , leave it in the truck , etc But god help somebody who snuck a gun into a house ,shop etc without permission , best way I ever saw to get both barrels or be banned for life from all homes& business in town

[@clanceyrussell8773]

Zachary Licata I was just at a state park that was clearly posted no guns at the lodge I rented a room at. that's not a private business it's obvious the state was infringing the 2nd amendment

[@gregorypatrickday]

Fantastic printer you have there, Sir.

[@williamhampton776]

Very helpful information.

[@grumpyoldfart7302]

Why would anyone want to go to Ohio anyway?

[@brandonadams9203]

I work in a place with a bank and it was robbed by a guy who just walked in and said "Give me the money in your drawer." He then calmly walked out as they called the cops. No one was hurt but apparently its just that easy! If he is never caught then he just walked away with free money. If I was there I would have pulled my g19 on him and said "If you move I will shoot. Every pull out your phones and record this. I want the cops to know I told him exactly what I was going to do if he moved." If he moves before the cops get there? No more criminal. If he doesn't? Then he goes to jail. Hopefully he thinks about life and becomes a member of this capitalist system with democracy on the side.

[@youbigdummy4866]

Brandon Adams Do you think shooting him would have been considered justified?

[@craigthomas6474]

Chad Bell b

[@somewhatinformed716]

Will Diehl a robber with a gun in a bank poses no threat to concealed carrier's... they should keep their guns holstered and start praying that the robber doesn't put holes in them...... your logic makes me laugh

[@dhorne7527]

Why get yourself involved like that. Unless he is reaching and headed in your direction, I think you should mind your business, save yourself the legal proceedings.

[@jlogan2228]

And if you accidentally shot him during the heat of an adrenaline rush???? If he slipped and you took it as aggression? Im with you on defendibg yourself but the whole if he moves ill shoot mentality is a great way to get yoyrself several years ib prison

[@joe2598]

Great video! Please post a video about the legal ramifications behind use of force.

[@NathanVanGilder]

Going to a neighboring County to submit your applications is a good idea in a number of circumstances. Cuyahoga stated a 6 month wait just to submit the application, and another 6-9 months to process it and issue the CHL. Called the Geauga Sheriff's Office and was told I could submit on any day they're accepting applications. Went on a Monday, I think it was. And got called two days later to come pick up my license. Awesome turn around time in the more rural, gun friendly Counties!

[@Killthemessengers239]

great video very Informative. thank you

[@joe2598]

I live in Colorado, and it can be touchy understanding the difference between fighting and self defense.

[@curtishickerson2646]

I struggled with the decision to carry or not in businesses which have “No Gun” signs for a while after getting my CCL. It only took one look at my wife and thinking of what I would feel of something were to happen to her or anyone I love because I listened to a sign over what common sense told me for me to make my decision.

[@StephenKershaw1]

if i catch you in my business with a firearm... both you and your wife have come to an end and nothing you can do about it

[@arizonadroner5164]

I live in AZ and you will never know if I have my weapon on me (which I always do) until some gets stupid and then everyone will be glad there is a responsible well trained CCW owner in the place. I will handle a misdemeanor charge everyday all day to protect myself and others in a "CPZ" !!

[@TheSlipKnotJoey1]

Just found your channel. Love the videos. New sub!

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

I live in Chicago, and if you actually read all the places you CAN'T carry it pretty much just leaves your home and place of business. Good thing I don't carry a Beretta M92.

[@bulldawg2764]

A couple of years back my wife and I visited the R&R Hall of Fame in Cleveland, our hotel was right downtown and within walking distance of the venue and restaurants.. I was not about to be walking around Cleveland unprotected (Ohio is a reciprocal state to my Michigan CPL) so I carried my firearm with me everywhere we went.. It was only as we were leaving the hall of fame that I noticed the "no carry" sign clearly posted by the EXIT DOORS not the ENTRANCE DOORS.. I take great care to make sure my concealed weapon is exactly that, concealed, even if I had seen the sign before entering I still would have made the choice to carry into the business, the safety of my wife and myself was more important to me than that sign....

[@EtzEchad]

In Minnesota, they have to ask you to leave and you refuse before it’s a violation. I ignore the signs there

[@greywolfarmory7336]

Just an FYI for Florida. We don't have strict liability laws on posted signs. However if you are asked to leave because you have been detected carrying a firearm, regardless if a sign is posted or not, you must leave immediately or you could be facing an armed trespass charge which is a felony.

[@fullwhackparamotoring2420]

Here in Florida a no gun sign has no power of law, however if an employee ask you to leave because you have a gun and you refuse you can then be charged with trespassing. If you properly conceal though this will never be a problem.

[@jdesa9637]

Same in Michigan.

[@rydeen450]

That's great to hear about Union County, it's my home turf.

[@raegruder4626]

Great video's thank you.

[@papiparsons9045]

Sorry I'm late to ur site, love the content. I've always wondered if I'm injured in a store that has this posted during a robbery can I sue them since I had to leave my weapon in my car?

[@guitaoist]

here in Texas the sign has to be VERY specific as to how it is written, "no guns" is not a legal sign. it must have the 30.06 vocabulary. then again, id rather go home alive with a criminal charge than in a body bag "legally"

[@davidtcpa1]

The same rule applies in NC, too, I believe

[@tyclark8162]

I sure wish we had a down to earth law firm like your two here in northern Michigan. If I ever run into these gun phobia businesses, I leave immediately n tell everyone I know who not to shop with. I guarantee you business owners out there, that if you post a sign, you've already lost thousands of dollars of lost business.

[@UncleDonDon]

This is key...... The store owner must see your firearm. If you carry in and he says, "hey you got a gun?" Just walk out. 1. Conceal better from now on. 2. If the cops come. Get a lawyer, go to jury trial and make the store owner describe your firearm and prove it was a gun he saw.

[@garrettstephens91]

I wish that they had a channel like this for Idaho

[@gtracer6629]

Good video I'm in Ohio temporarily so this vid is interesting. So glad my home is in Florida. No gun signs have no legal standing on their own. If discovered, all they can do is ask you to leave. If you leave quietly, no harm, no foul. If you put up a fuss, you can be charged with tresspass...

[@joeashbubemma]

If I had a business, I'd have a sign that read "Criminals beware, we welcome CFL".

[@absolutetuber]

CPZ....never heard that before and i love it!! lol

[@PaulHigby]

In MN it's different - it has to be conspicuously posted, but if you carry into a private establishment where it's posted, it isn't a crime, but if the establishment's agent asks you to leave, you must leave or you can be charged with a misdemeanor. If you can show you have a permit to carry at the time you're asked to leave, charge will be dropped and this cannot be used to confiscate your permit to carry or your weapon. There are some exceptions: you MAY NOT carry into government buildings including Post Office and Federal, State or local government buildings; and you may not carry into schools -- unless you have something in writing from the principal saying you may carry in the school.

[@upinarms79]

This is why I like living in the state I do. In my state, NO GUN signs aren't worth the paper they're printed on, however, if the property owner notices that you are carrying a firearm, they're completely free the tell you to either leave your gun in your vehicle or leave the property immediately with threat of being charged with trespassing if you refuse to comply. i personally think it should be like that everywhere because it doesn't infringe on your right to carry but still leaves the power to decide who is allowed on the property in a case-by-case scenario to the owner.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

I spoke with a Judge here in Sheridan , WY about this very subject and he told me that if you didn't see the sign and you walked into a business with a no-firearms sign , all they could do at that point is ask you to leave ( it is not an arrestable offense ) , that you weren't in violation of the law . If they asked you to leave and you didn't , then you were in violation and could face charges .

[@jameshogan2473]

If you live in OH and want your CHP same day, go to Stark county. I drove there (because my county has a 1-3 week process time) waited an hour in line, talked to a lady for 10 minutes and they printed me one on the spot. Im sure there are a lot of other counties that do that, but I and a few of my co-workers have had great experiences with them.

[@csofo11]

In Ohio, a law was passed in 2017 that states that permit holders could be forced to leave a gun-free zone under the law, however, they would not be committing a crime simply by entering the premise while armed. However, if you refuse to leave they can be charged a misdemeanor punishable by 30 days in prison and $250 fine. Ohio House Bill 233 passed on 7/6/17

[@opticalbeast4947]

Whats stupid is that the 2nd amendment says "To NOT be infringed"

[@taxin2476]

Great content, i just subscribed . Question, i live in Palm Beach Florida do you recommend an attorney who is cut from your cloth? Thank you

[@fxfe2069072]

I live in Fort Worth and a local Liquor and Beer store was bought out and changed management. They posted the 30.06 sign on the front door and let's just say it didn't work out for them. You could drive by that store on a Saturday night and there would be two cars in the parking lot. That sign didn't last a month.

[@johnwilson9303]

Derek, is this still the case in Ohio? This was posted 4 years ago. Is this information still up to date? Thanx for all you do.

[@Trump145]

I'm in St Louis but thanks for the info and I do go into businesses with my weapon on but I carry a 380 and no one would know it not unless I said something or my shirt came up which it won't because it's big enough to cover the weapon

[@johnmacri7440]

Concealed is the key. They will thank you if that happens and you save lives

[@saoirse5308]

Wow Michael and Derek great timing. I have been pondering the Idea of trying to get a bill introduced here in Colorado. I want to standardize the sign and sign placement for buildings that do not allow firearms. If the goal is to keep firearms out, then let's make ONE sign that must be within X distance of every entrance (including service entrances) There are only a few in the town where I live, but having to stop and read 35 signs on the doors & windows of a store is getting old. I would like to hear your thoughts on the down side of my Idea. One I can think of is stirring the pot, if the bill gets media attention will the other side make a push to get the signs up in MORE places. Thought?

[@adb2506]

That mad max guy asked, "if you forgot you were carrying?" If you forget you're carrying, you're doing something wrong.

[@robertsalyers1351]

Great information I just ran across this and I happen to live in Ohio. My question is. My ccw license expired on January so I've been carry open...would I be breaking the law if I were to carry concealed? I am going to renew in a couple of weeks

[@SonoranAstro]

in arizona they have to have an state issued sign, they also must provide you with a place to store your firearm.

[@Goose_368]

I remember hearing about something changing this law of carrying in a business with a no gun sign this year. Is it still the same or has it changed in 2017 or have they been working on it in Ohio.

[@vladapostol5950]

Subbed! Cool talk.

[@johnpublic976]

Your Video reminded me of an Incident of my forgetfulness. I carry daily since I received my CDW. Running errands one day I walked into my local bank not realizing that I was carrying concealed. Once in the bank, I realized that I forgot to leave my Pistol in the Car as I usually do. Then, I started wondering if they had metal detectors and if the silent alarm had gone off in my honor! Or, if the bank was robbed just then, would the robbers take my gun or shoot me thinking I was private bank security, on an on. I easily completed my teller transaction and walked out. I would have guessed that All Banks would have Prohibited the use of Firearms. Your thoughts on Carrying in your local bank as a Citizen? Thumbs Way Up, New Subscriber!

[@spacetrucker2952]

Cpz, that a very accurate way of putting it.