Fuel Economy Battle Doug's Ford GT vs Kennan's BMW E39 M5

[@matthewelliott2213]

"I am NOT putting 87 octane in this automobile!" Kennan stands up to his boss! We've found the breaking point...

[@xsleep1]

Like 1.4gal of 87 octane is going to make a huge difference in a nearly full tank.

[@GFkilla17]

I am NOT drinking merlot.

[@hellocar123]

also he said “dont touch me” hehee

[@borisp9499]

For hypermiling purposes 87 would probably be just fine.

[@armadillolover99]

@@borisp9499 With a high compression engine (not to mention that this was after he already finished the challenge) that probably would not be the case. For most cars you’re right, but BMW engines especially the ones in M cars are built and tuned with high compression in mind, they will run less efficiently with lower octane fuel.

[@campanmarius5241]

"Just got passed by a Bolt EUV...probably driving to the Chevy dealer to return it" . I laughed so hard. Thanks Doug :)))

[@ericcindycrowder7482]

I laughed too, and I own a Bolt EV.

[@dillonh321]

@@ericcindycrowder7482 I’m sorry to hear that.

[@Clooger-]

@@ericcindycrowder7482 The first step is acceptance

[@abecks8093]

That was a great line!

[@williebillie925]

Something only Doug could say

[@SanderCokart]

They forgot to draft behind trucks!

[@hellocar123]

like the z8 was. i wonder if he was hypermiling 🤔

[@AMS611]

Idk how much you can feel the difference in cars like those but in my FJ pulling a load the difference the aero makes behind a truck is insane

[@pvisequaltonrt]

@@AMS611not much but driving behind a brick is still better than cutting through the air yourself. When you’re hypermiling every ml of fuel counts😂

[@jthrelf]

Risk rock chips? Helllll no

[@davinlaroche3029]

They weren't rolling fast enough to keep up!

[@wideshadyy]

I watch these videos EXCLUSIVELY to watch Doug correctly predict everything that Kennan will do and say. You can really tell they've been friends for years

[@Orcawhale1]

Which is ironic, because his known Filipo far longer.

[@freshnugget2099]

Kennan has the single worst driving position i have ever seen in that bmw. Poor man, his knees are done for in the smallest of accidents

[@Treveljan]

Just was about to say that. The way he reaches for the shifter looks way to uncomfortable, the steering wheel is just to close and to low... I know that he feels ok like this (obviously), but I woud bear about 10 miles like this.

[@Axelstudio_]

This is the first game where Doug is not completey confident in his ability to win. Kennan must be so happy.

[@TruettD]

And Doug still won

[@bdoginit]

And he still dominated

[@andrewbaskett8581]

Kennan's what at the end was great and so genuine - hahaha

[@jmoney7289]

Doug is quite possibly the best most competent hypermiler/milei, they're ever was. Disciplined, wise beyond his years, I wouldnt want to take him on

[@andrewbaskett8581]

@@jmoney7289 I assumed Kennan had him until he said he was doing 70mph.

[@Ttimmy]

70 mph while attempting an mpg challenge is crazy

[@mikeschembri8870]

I was thinking the same thing. In the fast lane, trying to save gas?

[@bwofficial1776]

It depends what the car is geared for. Given that many performance cars are geared long for top speed, 70MPH might be a sweet spot for the engine.

[@cozza819]

Yep don't understand any of this

[@cozza819]

​@@bwofficial177660 will always use marginally less.

[@YeeSoest]

The speed isn't even the point. The revs are. The sweet spot for all engines I've had was between Doug's 1200 and MAYBE 1900. Basically as low as it gets without vibration 😅When I drove his Diesel, anything above 2k and my dad would yell at me😅

[@SupercarRanch]

Kennan: *Sees car in person*: "I would lose my mind seeing that car in person" 😅

[@thomasjohannesen1003]

😂😂😂

[@joshuacampbell7710]

This was a fun format. Since Doug drives across the US yearly, do Kennanball Run.

[@n.v.knovak3285]

I'm sold based on the pun alone😂....

[@batmayn]

kennanball run LOLOL

[@E38Bimmer35]

1:45 that “funny guy that wears two t-shirts” line was way to well delivered 😂

[@devongee1776]

Doug: ahahahahah... He's gonna run no A.C. We're gonna do that, too.

[@johnfarris5439]

Kennan content is great! Getting a little James May to Doug's Clarkson.

[@WhinedUp2004]

So true. Even down to being extremely clinical about everything but then having a James May moment of going 70 the whole time. Feel like they both struggle with the execution. Very much reminded me of the 'as you can see I've done this properly' that James May often said, only to just somehow miss massive shortcomings.

[@4DDB]

Yeah idk how calculated these personas are but I fucking love it. They very well could be the first group to finally recapture some top gear magic.

[@arkhsm]

@@4DDB There's only one (technically three), Clarkson, May, Hammond, the GOAT's of all time. Once that's accepted, then we can simply engage in who's best of the rest, and many others are awesome, but will never match the GOAT's

[@ItsMillerThyme]

Kennan the type of guy to say things like “topographically” or “pedantic”

[@yungrichnbroke5199]

Nerds rule 🤓

[@tomtjchiang4744]

I didn't even know "constitution" could be used how he used it lol.

[@dflan9543]

He had to negotiate the hills

[@hellocar123]

those are normal words pal

[@timurturgan6205]

@@tomtjchiang4744this is what seating 2 inches away from the steering wheel does to you

[@bryceeckman3159]

Kennan buying the BMW flip phone that came with the E39 is cool...buying the first aid kit that was supposed to come with the E39 is insane. Lol

[@Bdude1111]

I bought the first aid kit for my e92 and the safety vest you are supposed to wear if you need to change your tire 😅🤣

[@computiNATEor]

I know he also bought a reproduction of the little blue BMW-branded cloth that came in the tool kit

[@GermanCarGuyMN]

@@Bdude1111 I bought the first aid kit for my Dad's Mercedes ML320, I still have it after the car was totaled

[@thomaslibonati]

Makes sense to me, I’d do the same.

[@edmurth]

All his stats and he’s cheerfully changing gears at 2,500 rpm on an economy drive in a torquy V8 lol. So we’ve established Kennan was just totally unaware of the concept of fuel light roulette. And I love the “I wasn’t going to slow down traffic” when Doug asked how fast he was going. Kennan, when you’re driving like everyone else around you that’s just called driving, when you’re barely over idle and driving like the granny who can barely see over the steering wheel then and only then are they hyper-miles. 🤣

[@pinkace]

Whoever is editing these videos.... give that person a freaking RAISE. Brilliant editing in every way. Fantastic work. Kept the topics in line, kept the timing in line. Great job!

[@sjbarr]

"Kennan's Annoying Tech" is a great and apt chapter name! 😄

[@dbeckMSP]

Never thought Kennan was gonna be a guy who pays for a vanity license plate to tell everyone what his car is right next to the badge that tells everyone what his car is. Based on all the plates I see around my area, Kennan is ready for a Porsche!

[@computiNATEor]

Pretty sure he wants a Boxster Spyder or similar for his next car.

[@mikepascariello4935]

Kennan look wildly uncomfortable driving, push that seat back a little bud

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

More Carspotting videos please!

[@Xadius]

Yes

[@RDEnduro]

Tunes wont nesc. affect fuel economy. Sometimes they even make it better off stoichiometric cruising especially on forced induction cars because they will be tuned safe and fuel heavy by factory.. Fun vid, i want to flip every switch on the Ford GT dash.

[@pengc6538]

Energy required to counteract air resistance is a cube relation: So 70^3 / 50^3 =2.74. Kennan was using like 3x the energy to go that extra 20mph faster.

[@maxtp948]

Not quite. This only applies for the air resistance part of the total resistance. Rolling resistance is a big fraction of the resistance at these low speeds and it only has a square relation. Other resistances only have square relations as well like drive train losses. So averaged out he probably used 1,5x - 2x

[@pengc6538]

@@maxtp948sorry I mean he was using a lot more energy just for the air resistance component. But at highway speeds it’s definitely the predominant component. Either way the point is the 20mph difference is a big difference in gas mileage.

[@themindgarage8938]

True, but as someone else pointed out rolling resistance is a big factor, engines are very inefficient at lower throttle levels (iirc the ideal is something around 1500rpm and 80% throttle for most engines) and by travelling further, you "dilute" the effect of the city traffic which is probably the worst mpg part of the journey

[@theseer4155]

shhhh 🤫

[@SuperPhelix]

@@themindgarage8938 Engines are efficient at low rpm and high load, which means low rpm and a slightly depressed accelerator pedal in all cars with an ECU. We no longer have direct control over the throttle. But I'm sure you already know all of this

[@Druggid]

I love this new content so much. Doug is fully embracing being a KZbinr, and he's built a great team around him. I love the content for the sake of having fun.

[@the_enigma24]

27:31 “don’t touch me” is crazy

[@GregVT]

Kennan sits close to the steering wheel. Like Grandmother close!

[@DaBaltimoron]

Doug goes 50, Kenan goes...70?!?

[@cozza819]

Kenan isn't the smartest you must know that by now

[@lolickypeepee23xdd6]

i mean its not about that its about the rpm, lets say doug had another gear and went 60 instead but at 1200 rpm the engine would be working exactly as hard but net even better mileage. kennans issue wasnt going 70 it was thinking 2500 was a good idea for maximizing range when you really want the engine working as little as possible at the highest speed it can at that low rpm

[@comeberza]

​@@lolickypeepee23xdd6that is not true. Travelling and higher speeds ALWAYS requires more energy. This effect can only be countered by some weird aerodynamic desing that had poor low speed performance or by having the engine running more efficiently which won't happen if the rpm stay the same because engines are the most efficient at max torque rpm, so in the case you describe, traveling 1200 in 6th would probably make the car less efficient

[@lolickypeepee23xdd6]

@@comeberza higher speeds do need it but the energy is from the engine and theres a certain line between rpm and max speed before one starts to outweigh the other, and realistically in a lot of cars will be close to max efficiency doing low rpm in the highest gear. people in corvettes can get over 30 mpg from massive 6.0 V8s by just chilling in the highest gear. i mean like low rpm 3rd gear for instance is gonna be less efficient than 4th at the same as the engines working the same to achieve a higher speed, so the logic applies until a certain maximum which is realistically varies depending on the engine/weight/drag

[@justwideman]

Mr. Shorts vs. Little Ohio Cardigan Man. Super relatable cars for the rest of us.

[@Affalterbach1967]

23:42. Daddy Doug tracks his staff. Aside, this may be the best-edited Doug video in ten years.

[@mostcertainlyno]

They’ve mentioned that all 3 of them share their location with each other. It was in the video where they find the most expensive cars

[@chadsmo]

Kennan looks like he sits needlessly close to the wheel, I’m sure the seat goes back further

[@bengarfinkel16]

‘There is a procedure, I have followed it’ PUT THAT ON A T SHIRT

[@albrechtjohnj]

I always say there are two kinds of people, those that are competitive and those who lie and say they're not. But Doug takes competitiveness to another level.

[@jamesengland7461]

Then you're saying EVERYONE is competitive when clearly many people have no interest in competing.

[@albrechtjohnj]

@@jamesengland7461 One shouldn't generalize but, yes.

[@mysterjd34]

Judging how much fuel you "used" by how much fuel the station allowed you to pump is not a good way to measure mpg haha. Especially if you're not doing it how Kennan did it.

[@guhbe385]

Yeah I agree, results probably are decently accurate though still. Going 70mph vs 50mph in two cars with the same rating very doubtful the 70mph has a chance.

[@xsleep1]

@@guhbe385 Yeah, and talking about Doug always "driving fast" and then driving 70 during a hyper-mile test. Filling up the tires in't going to make that much difference.

[@zurnar1000]

I mean what did you want them to do though. They aren't going to spend a bunch of money on equipment for a video, so this is a good enough approach for a fun video. I don't think it would have made the difference anyhow.

[@dillonh321]

They should have used the same pump.

[@BabyJesus66]

Not hard, gas can. ​@@zurnar1000

[@cabbagekitten]

I thought this was a hypermileing challenge.

[@WhinedUp2004]

Suppose it was more a Hypermileaging rather than hypermileing

[@petermgruhn]

As soon as they said forty minutes I knew they weren't serious.

[@hreeman]

I don’t know if Doug is a good ‘Jeremy’ or not, but Kenna is masterful as the ‘James May’ of the bunch. Effortlessly so

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

James May would know better than to drive 70mph in a hypermiling challenge

[@MichaelDavis-e9o]

Surprisingly very fun to watch. Thanks guys.

[@LawrenceMarkFearon]

3:33 Doug's the type of guy to hypermile from the most expensive Chevron in the city instead of Shell on Adam's with more mpg for less money. That $6.09/gallon is crazy when there's Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium for $5.34 two blocks away. But Keenans the type of guy to hypermile at 70 and wonder why he lost lol.

[@johnschauder]

The way he drives with he knees jammed up against the dash looks so uncomfortable. Move the seat back!!

[@EatSleepEmpire]

Kennan is the type of guy that doesn’t go over the speed limit during a drag race.

[@ChaseKongoogleplus]

I'm so glad Top Gear is back. Jeremy has really lost some weight and James looks so much younger with short hair.

[@Vicstruction]

More interesting stuff like this!!

[@einpercy825]

As a student with not a lot of money I always hypermile and achieve around 6 liters/100km or 39 MPG in my Saab 9-3 2.0t Sportcombi and that's a 200 hp turbo car. On the highway I can get it down all the way to 4.5 liters/100km or 52 MPG which is actually crazy to think of. Brilliant car but when I'm done with uni, I'm gonna stop that I think. Hypermiling can be fun tho. Great video as always guys!

[@fitshamer]

This reminds me of old school Doug videos. Please keep making fun challenge based car videos. It reminds me of Top Gear. So much more interesting than rambling about quirks and features.

[@qwerty123942]

Weird that Kennan seeing a z8 is sort of like Doug seeing an f150

[@snakeeyes9246]

This stuff is important considering how expensive petrol and diesel are these days.

[@Randelawe]

Wuts a petrol?

[@snakeeyes9246]

​@@Randelaweit's short for petroleum, which is gasoline.

[@NickM-qi4sq]

I’m loving these videos! The chemistry between the guys is great. You can really tell they’re best friends

[@christiandulaney1638]

Kennan!!! You were "on" today! You had me cracking up during the intro with your "well thought out" reasons for winning, as well as your Doug impression. This put a smile on my face for an early Sunday morning

[@NathanMannin]

I hypermiled my W204 C63 and managed 32.2mpg and covered 400 miles with 7 litres to spare, V8’s can be surprisingly frugal when you need them to be! 😉😉😉

[@lolickypeepee23xdd6]

As Jezza said "its not just about the car, its how you drive" and keeping revs at basically idle means the engine isnt doing shit while you are near highway speeds, im surprised a guy as pedantic as kennan didnt think of that, 2500 rpm? seriously?

[@eliaswilson7911]

This brings me back to one of my favorite Doug videos, hypermiling the Honda clarity.

[@nc7169]

I love these challenge videos they’re creating

[@JuanNunez2023]

The most surprising result for these competitions so far.

[@carefreeclubhouse1714]

Most people don't realize that software enhancement doesn't only give you more performance, BUT if driven under normal means it WILL give you better gas mileage.

[@AmosDohms]

This is great! Keep up the good work. Quite the finish too.

[@Dr.Bob85]

Love how Kennan, who’s always careful and logical, has his headrest in the “break neck in case of accident” position… Please change, we really like having him on the channel ✅

[@TheBigFatTater]

As an urban planner, may I direct your complaints to Caltrans.

[@LIamaLlama554]

Just me or do both of these guys sit really close to the wheel?

[@MildonLanhorn]

Doug being about 6'3" and having his seat so far forward in the GT is killing me

[@goaliejay1]

Nice touch to begin and end at the "Extra Mile"!

[@alex2ghsisj]

I love this content I cant believe I was sleeping on the cars and bids channel

[@alexbernier6154]

Why are they both sitting so far forward? It looks ridiculously cramped and uncomfortable. Do they enjoy smashing their knees around every bump and corner? Put your seat back and bring the wheel out to you

[@bendent7413]

Can’t move the seat much on a ford gt, champ. Also he’s like 6’4

[@alexbernier6154]

@@bendent7413 ok there, chief. Jeremy Clarkson is the same height or taller and he isn't eating the steering wheel when he drives one. Also, Kennan is average height in a 5 series. Care to explain that one?

[@thirdhandmotors4540]

An impressive result from both of you, even though Kennan went 70 the whole time! I love hypermiling, and it's pretty amazing how you can get so much higher MPG just by changing your driving habits. I actually just released a video on my channel about this very topic! I was able to squeeze over 40 MPG out of my 2001 Integra LS, using driving habits alone. Would love to see a redo!

[@lgunderso2117]

Gotta have more miles to truly compare- the gas pump error percentage is crazy high with this few miles.

[@StephenCornelius]

A tune isn't necisarily make you get worse gas mileage. The factory tune is usually on the rich side for safety. But a tune will run more lean which makes more HP.

[@TheKatWeasel]

I have to say that Engineering Explained do a very detailed and precise video on the use of AC vs Open windows and how that effects fuel economy. However, I also hate hypermiling so AC is on all year in the UK and I don’t think about what I’m using despite the cost🤷🏼‍♂️

[@bk_goatkim679]

I love these vlog type of stuff please do this more

[@jacek2246]

love the montage, waiting for more in cars videos

[@sombojoe]

Hmm, The most I’ve gotten in my Ford Maverick pickup is 50mpg.

[@Unknowndrakard]

Kennan's m5 : *woah woah you can't just come around the corner and confuse my electronics like that now i'm giving you a shit ton of lights*

[@mattlloyd1848]

Finally! The test I’ve been yearning for!

[@sganzerlag]

The secrets to getting absurdly good fuel economy are basically two: drive fairly slowly and do everything you can to avoid using the brakes.

[@blindfoldedmissile]

The internet needs more 04 GT videos frankly honestly.

[@jakebean8855]

Old school Top Gear vibes. Loved it.

[@davidl546]

This was fun to watch. Years ago, when fuel was better, got 37 mpg from my 97 Prelude. Shifting at 3k rpms and staying under 60 mph. That was so boring....

[@mmahtnart8986]

When you feel you can do the "California Slide" thru stop signs.

[@FLIXXE]

"Johnson you have be caught stealung paperclips again, you are fired" *flips phone*

[@thebeddoctor4273]

I'm surprised non of them got behind another car on the expressway and actually hyper-miled the car. all they did was drive conservatively.

[@zorrito74]

I think the EPA established a correction factor taking down the fuel economy numbers between the these 2 vehicles. In cycle test, the test drivers do squeeze it down. I am not surprised.

[@Savagegloryphot]

Around the city, I have to really work to get 10 mpg in the E39 M5. It’s only possible to break 10mpg if I can squeeze in some highway miles.

[@chaimshamza5850]

I wonder if Philipo has a similar issue that doug has to calculating during hypyer mileing when doing short runs in economy cars?

[@KGiustOD]

Was Kennan sitting that close to the wheel/dash when when he rear ended another car?

[@thomaslibonati]

I forgot how much I loved e39 M5s until I started watching the C&B channel 😅

[@jasonkupke6768]

Kennan with the Motorola Timeport! 😂 Had that phone when it was new! The upgraded StarTac with 3 color screen! Cool to see the Z8 also!

[@walthefl]

Figured out that it makes a great difference to use cruise control

[@calmendola4195]

Would love to see a video about Kennans watch enthusiasm.

[@sjbarr]

I swear that Doug's seat inches closer to the wheel as the drive goes on.

[@LEGITLEGEND4]

Loved this video!

[@joelcrookston]

Reminds me of the Top Gear where an M3 keeping up with a Prius on the track returned better fuel economy doing it

[@brvss__]

Doug is the type of guy to tell the editor to put “Big Dawg” as his position in Cars & Bids

[@jackgreenstalk777]

This was way to fun to watch! 🎉

[@BigWhiteDynamite]

You should do more carspotting Doug.

[@jthrelf]

Love that the gas station is named "The Extra Mile"

[@Hellndegenerates]

I've got a stage 2 Ford Focus mk3.5 2.0 st diesel with 241hp and 531nm Just manged 80.5 mpg over 200 miles

[@kovu159]

Doug: how dare people avoid California taxes, if you don’t like the law vote to change it. Also Doug: I’m cheating on my smog tests with an ECU tuner.

[@ItsMillerThyme]

For how much crap Doug gives VW, he is basically VW

[@1993MAZDAMIATA]

Smog tests on cars that are over 15 are stupid. My 03 jeep needed to be driven with a death wobble to reset the ecu after having a dead battery. They don't check for wobbles or tire wear or even measure the emissions. They drive on top of a grainy camera and plug into your obd2 port and see if any codes are there. Thank god its almost 21 so I can get an exemption. That thing will not pass for long. All due respect. If my cat is dead on a 3000 car I'm not paying 2000 to fix it. I rather drive around with no inspection and pay the fines. But you never get pulled over for that. I got pulled over once and they did not even mention it.

[@audioisgood]

A lot of the m5 performance is in the rear diff gearing. It’s optimized for torque on acceleration.

[@operatorsx]

This was entertaining but you guys should do a "real" hyper-miling challenge and this time include Filippo. By real I mean rent 3 of the same car, start at the same time and all take the same route to the same destination. Let's see who the real lightfoot is 😅 (Bonus science points for swapping cars with one another and going back to the start, just in case one car somehow has an edge)

[@Mikey20TR]

Kennan obviously never heard of whiplash....

[@cconnon1912]

The fuel economy numbers that you were quoted are with the AC off. That’s all all numbers were done if I remember correctly. In something like Jeep Wrangler it’s over 5 mpg difference. 😅😅😅 The energy used to overcome the wind at 50 or 70 is a giant difference. If they could have gone 30 without stopping and starting, it would’ve done even better technique prove to be superior. 😅

[@matthewjswider]

Doug not knowing you can pull that vapor barrier back with your hand and pump at full speed is hilarious to me. Like, he didn’t even try. Just live by the rules.

[@bimbettocavallo]

Doug & Kennan trying to be Jezza & Captain Slow

[@ThatOneAgarAgarioThePro]

CAR SPOOTING NEXT dougy I know you see this Kennan ;)