190cc Honda Trail 70 Build | TOTAL RESTOMOD

[@CarsandCameras]

Do you want more videos on this project?? If so, HIT THE THUMBS UP! :)

[@shepdgc.og.soldier7732]

No I actually want this project. For sale..? I want this for my son. And grandson. Maybe a contest..? Y’all don’t really need this do you..? Please think about it. I’ll pay or maybe you could have a drawing..?

[@lindsayk41]

Look, it really would be cool to see a two or a 300-mile trip on those CT 70s get your blogging cameras out and show us what it's all about👍

[@captainbusch1072]

When is the raffle tickets ready for sale LOL NOT KIDDING

[@nodiggity7731]

There is no way he'll sell that beast but i have a lot of trail 90's selling where i live Craigslist Seattle,Wa They're EVERY WHERE I LOOK but they are NOT CHEAP $800-4,800

[@VasilyBuilds]

Wow I would so daily this! You killed it man. Definitely go road trippin'

[@johnnie2638]

Oh man! My dad bought me a Honda Trail 70 when I was a kid back in the early 70s. It was my first motorized bike & I rode that little bike all over the woods where we lived in northern Arizona. I loved jumping it and all my friends wanted rides. I was king sh**! It was even that same color in the video. Great memories.

[@99milesaway41]

Guys, I've never been much of a fan of the trail 70. But I gotta be honest, I love how that one turned out, I would totally ride that thing.

[@6Twisted]

I love the 190 engine. It's prone to a few issues but super simple and cheap to work on and mod. With a 212 bore, 4 valve head and advanced timing it puts out 24+hp.

[@GruesomeJeans]

In my years of buying car parts and doing backyard repairs, I've never had a decent bolt on experience. For some reason, everything requires fitment customization. It's a real pain. But, I think you guys have a really good foundation for it. Now it's time to tidy things up and repair stuff.

[@julieanddavidmyers6641]

My 1st motorcycle was a 1970 green CT70...that was 50 yrs ago. It was my first time learning to use a clutch. Brings back good memories.

[@edgarowens565]

All I could see when you were riding it was that seat was off to one side. Bike looks awesome. Love yalls builds.

[@ricardovelchi5760]

I had a maroon CT 70 back in 1983/84 and it looks the same but with a black seat. There's something about those little bikes I just love. They all look fantastic guys.

[@djshnibz]

Definitely do road trip motovlog with Ike to the beach

[@williamstamper442]

Love your content. Ive never owned a chain breaker. As a retired forklift mechanic ive only done lift chains with an angle grinder and a punch. This philosophy transfered to my minibike world im in now. Not a bench grinder but an angle grinder...your bench grind method goes to new levels of burning fingers or chain getting caught between rest and wheel! Try angle grinder method. Use a paint pen to mark which link you want to go bye bye. Also for figuring out gearing for each bike i build i use cheap amazon chain then once i nail gearing then i put the good stuff GoPowerSports gold chain on at that length. My post is too long sorry about that gonna finish video now. Have fun guys!

[@715101]

I find on 420 chain I can just drill a 1/8 hole in some hardwood and just punch it through without grinding... I used to use a grinder but I found I had to use similar force with the punch compared to just punching it without grinding

[@AT_motors]

I've been waiting for this video! Love how it turned out

[@Timmy6216]

I'm not going to lie boys you guys pull CT70s out of thin air and your little part of North Carolina and I'm not that far from you and I can't seem to find them I personally think I'd Rock the hell out of one if I could I only live like 6 miles from my work and that would totally be something I cruise in on keep up the good work boys

[@nicpstg]

Grom killer! Easily the coolest build on the channel.

[@michaelmadden3676]

I had one of these growing up and always had fun never any serious issues and the value keeps going up on those. For good reason!

[@BE_SYNYSTER]

Its really nice to see a super fresh build on the channel. Don't get me wrong, love the awesome projects but this awesome, super clean restomod with all new parts is just so dang cool and its super clean, and it'll be super reliable since the motor looks stock. Love this kind of content!

[@CarsandCameras]

Thank you!

[@frogman8591]

I have loved the 70 mini trail for 50 years.This is how nice they have become. I saw a video from Scandinavia of a DAX meet with about 100 of them, all nicely modified. I had a stock 70 for 10 years and sold it for all my investment ( $300 ).. I didn't have to spend anything on it except gas.

[@Ratkill9000]

Gotta love the lawyer discretion at the beginning of the video. Sucks that KZbinrs need to do this.

[@772tsweet77]

I was just going to comment this. Most of us are adults here. I knew this stuff as a kid. That's what parents are for. Except when we tried to sneak past our parents. Even then they knew.😁

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

@@772tsweet77 And how old were you when they finally told you they knew what you were doing but decided not to say anything? This usually happens in one's late twenties/early thirties.

[@772tsweet77]

@@InsideOfMyOwnMindlate teens. I'm in flyover country where everyone is stupid and we kiss our cousins.

[@patriottowing4973]

Came here just to comment about that ...have to cover their ass from all the rejects in this world ....sad but true

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

@@772tsweet77 Practice makes purfect, right?😗

[@D34Dh3AD]

Beatiful dax! The brake system always goes left on the front! this is to prevent brake power be to much on either side. Also the best way to warm an engine is to let it idle for about 15 to 30 minutes and then go for a drive to about half throttle while sometimes driving a bit faster or slower. This process minus the idling needs to be repeated for 500 kilometers if the cylinder is cast iron and 100 to 200 kilometers if the cylinder is aluminum. I also hear some blowback when you went for a little drive, be sure to check the valves to see if they are tuned correctly. Not only will this increasy the life span of the engine but also the performance and mileage.

[@robintheslavewr1513]

I saw the ball bearing in the steering tube and said ah crap they gonna go everywhere. Love It guys keep it up

[@cyriously_nick2191]

Robin the slave Wr [BŐŐB] first time restoring an old trials bike I thought the bearing was broken apart, I took a hammer and began wailing the races. Balls flew everywhere, spent 2.5 hours looking for all 38 ball bearings 😵

[@robintheslavewr1513]

@@cyriously_nick2191 lol I bet that was fun I've had ball bearing explode on me befor too

[@KingHenryVR4]

My brother an his wife used to go down to Busco alot years ago before they had kids, bunch of our relatives used to also be in to going there, I think that kinda fizzled out for all of them over the years though. He was telling me if I ever get my Honda 250ES going I might enjoy riding it out there.

[@crwmoto6234]

To reduce your swerving and other issues at high speed you should get a steering stabilizer

[@2strokejunkie686]

Was just about to comment but ya beat me to it, would greatly reduce head shake at high speeds👍

[@madmat2001]

I initially read that as swearing... that said, good point.

[@magoxide7777]

Steering dampener. The reality is his suspension is not set up properly for his weight. Possibly to much preload. You shouldn't need a steering dampener on such a small bike doing such low speeds.

[@crwmoto6234]

camdog they are the exact same thing just two different words to describe them

[@adamr9215]

camdog Actually it’s a “steering damper”. A dampener would be an item used to lightly wet items.

[@spaztekwarrior]

I had a CT in 1977. It had that burnt orange colour. It was awesome :) I can still remember the smell and sound of it running.

[@AT_motors]

That speedo setup is so sick

[@505197]

That looks like a fun build. You inspired me to dig out my Honda Helix, air up the tires, and take a 150 mile round trip to Frankfort Ky to visit my cousins. I was gonna take my BMW R1100R, but the Helix is so comfortable, it has a back rest for me, and a nice large windscreen. and it barely sips fuel. My dog enjoys riding my motorcycles also.

[@tortminator3675]

Only the og subscribers know about Ike saying thank you go power sports in practically every video.

[@deborahchesser7375]

Love the little bikes with big power. In the mid 70’s I had an original hot rod mini bike, a Bonanza chassis with a Hodaka 100 2 stroke 5 spd motor. My Dad rode it through the fence to show us how dangerous it was LMAO we couldn’t help him up, we were on the ground rolling.

[@gering46]

I guess the Chinese figure why waste their money printing directions when men don’t read them anyhow lol

[@jeffmeier9284]

Jeff Meier 1 year ago Isaac is not as bad ,but there both clueless with swelling heads and ego's to the point of being a danger to them selves and others.Guys take it from a real pro that has built many world class custom veh. and listen, maybe you can get away with the Micky mouse work on those 3 & 4 wheeled slow off road units you build, but there is zero room for the kind of backyard guesswork and hap hazard sudo wrenching that i see you do when it comes to two wheel Hwy operated bikes.your only dealing with barely 1 inch of rubber touching the pavement that keeps you upright so the cards are already stacked against you so do yourselves and all that care (myself included),hire a good tech person to help , check ,teach and keep you safe with all the work you do ( By the way I am semi retired and available for hire ) because nobody wants to see or find out that you to injured yourselves and or others or worse.stay safe Jeff

[@samanthafox8273]

Those chunky tyres look amazing. Love that profile!

[@tombeach8562]

Is he trying to kick start a tank engine or a little Honda?

[@WorldsBestWatcher]

I thought he sped the video up 10x when trying to kick start it. Looked like a glitch.

[@SoI_Badguy]

High compression engine

[@traxxaskid9200]

Hes trying to start Tomas and his friends with a kick start.

[@KentRoads]

High compression engine and hes kicking it over completely wrong

[@dannyoutlaw8001]

Lol I thought it was me that noticed that ...he kicks everything like that ...id love to see him kick start a old Harley Davidson and it kick back on him the way he jumps on that ...lol

[@bobmanbob3885]

I had a Kawa KDX 175,1980 and my brother a Yam IT 175, 1979 , the sister in law had a pristine 1973 Honda CT 70 K1 Pretty similar to yours, and she was able to follow us mostly everywhere!😂 yes we gave her a break often but still she was able to follow us with this awesome little bike in the woods of northern Québec.

[@NastyMoto]

Let’s gooo, who else had been waiting for this video??

[@blackpooljunk]

buttery fans

[@motocrossin4ever]

I’ve been waiting for this!! Recently bought a CT70 myself and have been trying to decide which engine route I want to go. This has all been so beyond helpful! You guys are great!

[@isaacitllbefine7231]

Thanks

[@aldricracette4813]

Sweet bike and keep them coming I want to do one of those

[@NukeLife87]

Road trip? Tail Of The Dragon is a must. July 2020, I travel a lot for work and miss out on all your meet up's.

[@CarsandCameras]

Tail of the dragon on a trail 70 is a bucket list item for me!!

[@davidsparks4826]

I’ve been waiting since the live that talked about this Trail 70. You guys even read my comment on the Live. Love you guys 🔥💯✌️🙏☝️

[@richardsmith-qy6vl]

I built a really nice ct70 about 5 years ago I had the same front-end with the disc brakes had the 12 inch falcon rims I painted it house of colors candy purple and I had this guy Darryl gunderson from Las veges build me a 108 stroker motor it was really torqueie 3 gear wheelies it ran 62 mph I was going to build a 190 I was on all those ct70 forums on Facebook. I really enjoyed it.

[@Smallbore2wheels]

Yess! I've been waiting for this video since I saw the pics in FB

[@lohanjale4381]

John don't forget to get an oil cooler for it these engines run super hot. I've got the same motor in my pit bike and it shreds! The motors can hit almost 100 with the right gearing. I got my motor on pitster pros website it came with everything needed for a swap from a harness, air filter, oil cooler, throttle and clutch cable ECT... For $641 they aren't to bad on gas either I thought it would eat through gas to also had to grind down the case on mine as well so I got a laugh out of that. Good looking bike otherwise I love it!

[@tkskagen]

That is "One HELL of a Disclaimer"! 🙀

[@BuildingWithZach]

TK Skagen I know did something happen we don’t know about

[@CowboyX1000]

The first time you took the bike out to start it....that noise! I was caught way off guard. What a throaty sound from a small machine!

[@benjaminzahrobsky7281]

In a year or two I can’t wait to bring my build to Busco beach

[@prestongriffin416]

thank you guys for be safe and wearing your helmet. like to see you guys take two of the mini bikes and go on a trail ride in the woods . in joy your videos a lot.decided to get my 1963 honda55 trail out and put in a lifan 125 for trail riding in pacific n.w Washington great job

[@samuellamb9208]

(Company includes instructions) Person: I don’t need that (Company didn’t include instructions) Person: I hate it when companies don’t include instructions

[@Otto-d8h]

I love these old hondas. I just bought a 1970 ct90.

[@JohnMGibby]

Trail 70 looking sweet!

[@madmat2001]

Here's a tip for installing springs, use a shoelace. Tie the lace in a 12" loop, hook the loop over the spring, stick a screwdriver through the loop to use as a handle and pull the spring into place. You may need a second set of hands to get the spring seated depending on how tight it is and if you need one or two hands to stretch it but it works amazingly well. And if worst comes to worst and you trap the lace under the spring, just cut it. The lace, not the spring.

[@mustie1]

looks and sounds great

[@carltonmorrow2409]

Sounds sweet!! Would love to see a 50 plus mile street ride Once she's got a title definitely in my top 5 favorite projects yall’ve Done!!

[@carternevill]

What're you people doing, we need to get John and Ike to a million!!!

[@666mrjimbo]

DONT FUCKING WORRY ITLL BE FINE ! LOL ! 🇺🇸 TRUMP 2020 666 OUT

[@robertmoorej]

Pro tip, Use a coat hanger to pull the springs over the loop on a slip on exhaust. Bend the hanger in half and hook the spring on it and pull . Then unfold the hanger and wiggle it out. 😁

[@mylife-bz4zg]

Had to pause it at the start and give a thumbs up just for seeing a 27 minute video

[@gchsbus]

Years ago, I bought a 155 high output but I put it on a chinese copy of a Honda Chaly. I added a supercharger and had a shop help me tune it. Also changed the gearing so it was a little bit of a dog at the start but she could cruise on the interstate no problem. In my state, at the time, we had motorcycle inspection. The bike was titled as a moped (originally was a 49cc) but I had a friend who was a dealer in another state and I sent him the title and he did his magic and sent me a title in his dealers name with the body change to an motorcycle. So then I changed the title back to me and took it for inspection. Man.... I would get pulled over ALL THE TIME on the interstate by state troopers. Telling me the bik wasn't safe for the highway and that it didn't belong. I would just basically tell them this, "I have a MC endorsement on my license, I am wearing a helmet, the bike insured, the bike is registered as a motorcycle, and it has a valid inspection sticker. I wasn't speeding and I was riding within the flow of traffic. So whats the issue here??". They would get so mad and let me go. A few years later I sold the bike but I still miss it. Four speed manual clutch!

[@robintheslavewr1513]

I know I say this alot guys but I really really miss the rumble of the 670 from the drag rail could you all bring it back I miss it alot.

[@gixxernut8021]

Robin the slave Wr [BŐŐB] pretty sure they bent the frame

[@Fearborne]

@@gixxernut8021 They also blew up the motor.

[@tbah9402]

It needs a new engine and fixed the frame so its probably not going to happen for a year

[@robintheslavewr1513]

@@tbah9402 the frame was to bent too bad the only problem was the motor

[@772tsweet77]

Yeah the frame is bent. The motorb is conflagulated. New rail build? NEW RAIL BUILD!!!! please.

[@codelicious6590]

I wanna see that Zongshen go five hundred+ miles in one trip! I'm anxious to see ol Ike's "built not bought" build as well.

[@2000stang5]

John kick starts that thing like hes trying to start a big block chevy.

[@jmumm422]

HungLikeAHorse #PrO looks like a fish flopping out of water lol.

[@2000stang5]

@@jmumm422 agreed

[@jamesbarker5697]

Idk man john just does alot of weird things like how he shifted the crosscart with right hand instead of left

[@CarsandCameras]

I'm 140 pounds. I need all the help I can get to kick start it.

[@jamesbarker5697]

@@CarsandCameras idk my man no disrespect been watching yall guys. Since 23 something thousand subscribers im just saying some things u do are wtf im 115 pounds and im 23 years old. And i dont even do that kickstarting my friends 450. But i will say that bikes looking good

[@danw1955]

Heh heh, that 190 looks like it belongs in there! Nice pocket rocket! A neighbor of mine had a stock CT70 back in the early 1970's and I was sporting an old 1966 CA100 Super Cub (50cc pushrod engine). We used to tear up the trails around our area on a regular basis.😁

[@TheDr.Magnum]

When you repaint it, see if you can get that Mazda red

[@joeydaniels1615]

This thing is sweet, I've got a 1973 HONDA ST 90. All original with only 400 miles. It's a beaut.

[@teddygonzalez5558]

Frankestein bike!!!

[@brianwelteroth9248]

Wow, I like that bike. Let us know how comfortable it is after a few hours of riding.

[@PyroBanddiitt]

Hey John, greetings from WA state. You, Ike, and Charles have been such a big inspiration to me. watching you 3, fires me up and i get so excited to go work on my projects. keep on doing what your doing👏🏽

[@PyroBanddiitt]

P.S your dad's garage is 🔥

[@GaryLordsWayMinistry]

Wider triple tree would allow you to clear the rotor, and just use a spacer (s) to center the wheel and a longer axle, problem solved. I can tell right now that it needs longer shocks in the back or your going to toast that rear fender on that tire with the extended rear swingarm. I would like to see you complete the TAT on it. LOL.

[@jasonwilliams2852]

My first ever "dirt bike" (or at least thats what I called it) was a 95 ct70. It was still brand new I got it about 2 or 3 years ago it was but back in a storage container by my great uncle and he forgot about it. We pulled it out put a new tank on it bc it was rusted out. When we got it running it had less than 100 miles and since then I have put over 1000. Though the carburetor is still leaking. I have rebuilt it but it still just leaks.

[@drdraws9597]

Where is the hf vtwin chopper? Summer is almost over and no update?

[@1hipcrip771]

That bike is RAD!!! Road Trip Shakedown!

[@deangelolawson6184]

Omg she looks so good

[@stephensano9156]

Great job fellas! The add-on's required custom mods and you rose to it!

[@alexseverance2996]

Awesome work

[@jaybyrd1935]

And this is a good consolation at least I still have my cars and cameras you guys mean alot to me, I love you guys as projects in the way you think.

[@DanTheMan454]

This makes me want to restore my 70's rupp roadster 2 or my 73 mx80.

[@jlucasound]

I never really cared for the CT70's but that would be awesome to see one barreling down the highway at 65. I am here because I care for you, Jon and Isaac. Love your vids. Yes, you guys need a new shop. The C10 is getting closer. That is going to be one of MY highlights. (Had a '65 C20; loved that truck). I also had minibikes, Go Karts and Motorcycles. I love everything that has an internal combustion engine. Even Welder/Generators and compressors for jack hammers. :-)

[@719minimoto5]

Mini bikes are the fun 🤙🤙

[@jeffreymrrs150]

key thing with anything motorcycle oriented is nothing aftermarket ever bolts right on.you always half to bend,cut,shave,etc.bike looks awesome thou.keep up the vids.was curious on why you couldnt use issacs lake house property for riding.seems like alot of property.could make some cool trails out there.

[@jiimmyboy63]

"It'll be fine." -Knowledgeable Person

[@charlesdarwin4780]

That thing is awesome, great job you're gonna have a ton of fun with that little Honda

[@marko-seta97]

After the smoke clears we check the wire connections :)

[@paapaapaapaa1205]

väri väriin ja loput maihin ja savun häivyttyä katotaan liitokset uudelleen

[@blackice8705]

That's a good looking bike. I can't wait to finish some projects, including 2 mini bikes, so I can bring them out to a meetup with you guys.

[@patloughner9551]

Break Evil Knievel's record Grand Canyon jump with it!!!!! LOL!!!

[@lordofbasement]

Cant believe! Finally a vehicle with muffler on carsandcameras. Love it

[@TheDamiensdad]

"For clearancing purposes only." Lol

[@tylergades2276]

A tip for the muffler springs. Use a pice of wire and vice grips. Bend the wire around the hook on the spring and clamp the ends in the vice grips and pull the hook into the hole.

[@brianrosborough9240]

When kick-starting a bike, you need to keep your knee bent. if you straight leg it as he did, if it backfires you re be sorry 4 sure!

[@josephsaucedo8691]

I can tell he never looked in to the main problems with a 190cc like the clutch cable short and how to kick start them and why you should only use electric start he probably would have also did the shift star mod before riding it with a upgrade shift arm and put the oil cooler with electric fan and check the decomp spring. Also upgraded to a hd starter chain and grease it. Just a little tip to help anyone doing a 190cc engine hope this helps you.👍👌✌️💯

[@kartssource5467]

Me likey da bling bling! Poor John, all alone! :-( LOL 10:12 What did Ike drop???

[@hammerT2997]

Saw that too. That face said it all lol

[@Nunya_Bidnez]

Great new disclaimer guys.

[@vernonmarsh]

2" extension means 1" on each side I guess.

[@TerraRoot]

Or 2cm, which is close in chinesium

[@lobmin]

Or it's measured from the beginning of the stock slot, to the end of the extended slot.

[@772tsweet77]

@@TerraRoot I see you are fluent in bumblefuck.

[@CPOKAY2]

John - you ought to billet rod stage II, safety wire it, race shocks and set of slicks and ride it up to VIR then race it on the minigp road course. The ct70 would fit a legit race class Minigp is the shiznit!

[@mr.hankie]

Who dare park their BMW in the cars and camera grand prix

[@dream2sea]

gtaguy23 Isaac LOL.

[@isaacitllbefine7231]

Me

[@mr.hankie]

@@isaacitllbefine7231 I cant believe it. You know what this means right? You need to take your beemer around the grand prix now

[@shawntl]

Nice looking bike

[@sethkrahn3155]

I got a 77 z50 with a 110 modded motor manual clutch an it does 53 mph Btw I’m 13

[@rosstempletonogskater]

Reminds me of when I was a kid...i like the Leather seat and the Bigger engine...Nice project...

[@clickbaitpatrol2375]

5:56 HE HAS AIR PODS

[@EarthSurferUSA]

That Trail 70 was the first motorcycle I ever rode on about 50 years ago. It may still even run. :)

[@danielbozeman6150]

“Be the first to Commet”

[@bobwhite5440]

strong sounding engine with razor-sharp throttle response.

[@MustangBranden]

Go ride the “dragon”

[@TomSheldrake]

Watching this gives me such confidence with mine! I must have a similar front end, can’t seem the get the front wheel centered and the Speedo drive doesn’t appear to have a locator - nice to know it wasn’t just me struggling with the kit!!

[@noahmashaw6676]

He clearly has no clue how to kick start a bike 😂😂

[@garrenmullins154]

Sameeeee😂😂😂😂

[@James06__]

Lolllll

[@themonsterfactory2934]

There is sooooooo much shit Id love to go off about this kid but Im not a fan of internet trash talking BUT this kid is clueless. Hes been almost 100% focusing on the same type of work for 3-5+ years and from the numerous vids Ive watched doesnt seem to learned much of anything... He needs to be thanking Ike everyday that Ikes involved in his daddy supported show. Listen I like the channel and even both the guys but this kid is like so many out there, acts like he knows more than he does and when he doesnt keeps his answers or comments in the gray area. He needs Ike, Ike doesnt need him.... Sorry didnt mean to hijack your post with my long comment. Your the 1st comment Ive actually come across with a less than "suckin this kid off" reply...haha

[@noahmashaw6676]

@@themonsterfactory2934 you're good 😂

[@SportbikerNZ]

Well if @The Monster Factory intended to come across as a toxic internet tard spouting complete rubbish, great job. As for the kickstarting, I was going to criticise him also, until I noticed there was nothing wrong with his kickstarting and the only problem was the typical brain dead recreational criticism by internet 'experts', aka mechanically inept couch potatoes. Then I realised I never had any intention of criticising the fictitious non issue in the first place.

[@perfectcell7995]

Hope to see more of this project once spring comes back

[@iceeeyN00B]

Is there a Lawyer in the family or something? Always so much liability concern. ._.

[@davidmoon2877]

Mutual Assured Destruction Daddy is a Doctor...

[@StefanMArndt]

Look up how much money these youtubers make off of these videos. He doesn't need his Daddy's money.

[@yachtyteam6978]

Stefan Arndt right lol, like he’s using someone else’s money with over 1 mil subs and a fan base like this

[@dustinschings7042]

Nah, they are making PLENTY of money on their own I would day. Notice they don't get complaints for hogging the garage or riding the yard no more? Hahahahaha

[@iceeeyN00B]

Everyone of you missed my point... it was far less cynical. They go above and beyond relative to other KZbinrs in regards to liability. It’s seems like it wouldn’t be far fetched to think there was a lawyer in the family. Just a simple question because it seemed like the answer would have been interesting. Who the fucks cares how much they make if the content is good. I would love to see them buy a shop with a bit of property someday. Chill.

[@watahyahknow]

about the rearfender : if you make a spacer for the front bolt in between the fender and the frame and use a longer bolt that mount the rearfender and force/bend it slightly around the rear / top mount , the fender will be a little more centered over the wheel and you get more space between the rear lip and the tire , might need to redrill the holes to get them centered over the holes in the frame