1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 vs 1970 Oldsmobile F85 W 31 | STOCK DRAG RACE

1969 1/2 Dodge Super Bee A12 drag racing 1970 Oldsmobile F85 W31. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 with a 440 6-Pack V8, automatic transmission, and 4.10 rear gears. The other is a 1970 Olds F85 W-31 with a 350 V8, automatic transmission, and 3.91 rear gears.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website for the rules of this drag racing class: www.psmcdr.com
Disclaimer: The Cars And Zebras KZbin channel is a news channel bringing results/news of drag racing with added history of automobiles. All footage/pictures used were either captured by the Cars And Zebras channel, or used for critique purposes under Fair Use.

[@donaldhollums3278]

Dr. Olds would have been proud of the impressive runs made by the F-85.

[@gary9426]

This has to be one of the closest races I've seen on this channel...I bet the Mopar driver was sweating a little bit there at the end, lol ...the W-31's were awesome! Awesome race..Thanks C&Z!

[@mattrodgers4878]

The W-31 is the Mopar 340 of its day. Always running just a little out it’s league!!!

[@danhoyland142]

Dude, hats off to Oldsmobile. The a12 gave them 90 more cubes and three carbs and the olds still was able to win the second race with a mere 350 small block with a single 4 barrel. Those 308 cams sounds nasty btw.

[@justinadams1360]

Very impressive olds. To get that little 350 to run that good is crazy. It had mph on the 440 every run. Meaning its making a little more horsepower but spotting some torque because of its size. Both awsome cars and unbelievably fast being in pure stock class.

[@chevyblue10]

Or because its 100 lbs lighter...

[@ghostrt1608]

@@chevyblue10...exactly

[@kellynestegard5208]

Horsepower/lb wins drag races. Gears are the difference in this race.

[@kennethray6408]

That 350 olds definitely held its head high.

[@brianmaynard7320]

Great races!! A lot closer than I thought it would be but that Olds sure put up a good fight!! Thank you C&Z. And thank you drivers!!!

[@Bruno4499-b8c]

Oh it was a quick one,I bought a 69 F-85 W-31 , only difference was I had a 4Speed Hurst,& positraction. They forgot to mention that my 350(W-31 engines) were All factory blueprinted , these cars had slicks i believe as on Crap street tires of the day and I had the newest Polyglass red stripes,best was low 13's,mid to high 13 usually. Into 12 easily on slicks and headers opened up. I miss that car so much, got married traded on a 1971 TOYOTA,probably a first

[@CarefulWithThatAxeEugene]

That Olds held his own against that Mopar! 👍

[@charlesdalton985]

Two of my favorite muscles cars in a match up. 400 6 BBL and a Ram Rod Olds 350. I agree, A12 was a great package, especially for the money. Thank you as always ~ Chuck.

[@unclebob7937]

Thought this would be no contest.. That 350 had the 440 sweating tho. Great race Zebra man!

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

I'm quite impressed with the F85 especially since it has a 90 CID disadvantage....

[@superbird6bbl]

It was a 100 lbs. lighter which is usually good for a 10th. Great running car though.

[@treaverbombard3398]

And more torque

[@ericinMN1970]

Those races were WAAAY closer than I expected them to be!

[@bruceallen6016]

That little 350 Olds is a monster taking on an A12 440 the way it did.

[@deweybrock7746]

That Olds did just what it was designed to do, piss off a bee nest.

[@wymple09]

When you consider the 90 cube engine difference, the Olds really comes off as the winner here. The Mopar was supposed to win, and by a good bit. Mad respect for the Olds.

[@larryw5429]

That W31 car was a lighting rod from god ESHH what a monster!

[@shawnbauman5463]

Tight racing. No losers in this one.

[@clover831]

That Oldsmobile was a wolf in sheep's clothing. 🚀🚀

[@dirtbike9003]

Sick racing gents...!!! Props to that olds for running so quick!

[@johnwesley9000]

Two of my favorite cars. Olds small block fast as hell.

[@louiskats5116]

Goodday C & Z, This is a race of the BB God vs the SB God. My 2 absolutely favorite muscle cars. I owns a Mopar but I so so desire a Oldsmobile W 31, & the beauty about them no one knows about them. Wolf in Sheep Clothes. This is how rare W31 are. I have been following Mecum Auction for a decade & not 1 & I mean not 1 W31 ever crossed the block. I wanted the Super Bee to win 1 race, then the W31 to win 1 & then who ever wins best of luck. Happy with the time the W31 pulled gave the Bee a run for its money. By the way I am Australia's biggest Oldsmobile fan too. Great race, you have absolutely nailed it love your work. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

[@danhoyland142]

I go on market place and craiglist everyday here in the states and I have only scene TWO W31 cars for sale. They are hard to find, especially not in a project state. Fortunately since everyone wants a w30 with the 455 the w31 in good shape is only in the 30s and is a great deal that was overlooked

[@louiskats5116]

@@danhoyland142 Totally agree Dan, 1970 W30 were so cheap 5 plus years ago but now they are all fetching over the $ 150,000 easy & as they should. Just love to get my hands on a 1968 W31 just a pocket rocket. The cost to import it into Australia what ever you buy it for in the states, double it & add an extra 20 % & that is what it will cost you. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers Louis 👍

[@adamtrombino106]

I'm a Mopar guy, but that Olds moves! No doubt about it!

[@brucebryan3710]

From a Mopar guy... much respect to the olds.... had to have some power adders?... great video

[@brucebryan4081]

You stole my name. LOL

[@jameskester7745]

Think this is pure stock, he said the rules on other videos, but can't remember but one, and it was you can go up one compression ratio, oh and tune the carb was another, there's a few more

[@scottgeorge50]

The olds made a good showing!

[@jimmyboy131]

That 350 is a monster! I always liked those Olds muscle cars but this surprised me. It reminds me of the little 4-banger that could, the 1990 Olds HO Quad4, 5-speed, that I used to drive. It was a small engine but it was a little beast and sounded like one when it revved.

[@mmcnew1]

I’m a Mopar guy from back in this era. But I love it when the Old’s and Buick brands kick butt. Because here, although the Old’s lost 2 out of 3, he had higher mph in all three races. He probably would’a won all three had he cut better lights.

[@dukedavis8950]

Wow that was some awesome cloes racing I've always been a fan of 70-72 sport coupe olds gave that beautiful super bee 🐝 hell. Great video as always and I do like your comments 😀

[@jamesmeidinger7435]

Awesome race! That Olds held its own against the 6 pack 440! Love it.

[@themackguyverchannel7713]

The same 440 with a 850 single put out more HP than a six pack on the Dyno on nicks garage channel

[@charleshenshaw9099]

These 2 are are so close, which one got off the line first got the win.

[@wattsmichaele]

Woohoo!!!…a new episode!! Thanks

[@lobotomyboy666]

This might be your best race yet. Both drivers and cars turned in fantastic performances.

[@mrkemblegilstrap]

im a little choked up. man, that was some great racing! im really impressed with both cars. of course the oldsmobile. what a showing. that olds pissed off that bee and he came back for blood. thats the cars. these drivers are absolutely fantastic. back in my day, i did a bit of racing. i am double impressed with these guys because, i know how hard it is to race on stock tires. the 2 races that i lost in my bee, were the 2 times i tried racing on stock tires. those 2 old geezers(then), out drove me. they were in street tires as well. i spun. they left. it would be super interesting to throw slicks on these cars to see what they could really do. im guessing maybe knock a second off of each ones time?

[@danmyers9372]

No, not that much the way these guys set them up.

[@chevyblue10]

Ever own a 440? Do you know how hard it is to keep that monster from spinning? Yes. Hell yes. Slicks would make a world of difference for that MOPAR.

[@chevyblue10]

That A 12 driver was doing one helluva job, feathering that pedal.

[@mrkemblegilstrap]

@@chevyblue10 440? No, sir, I wish! best I ever had was a 413 w/4.89s in a A12 bee body. I was never able to find out what happened to its original engine. I had a lot of traction problems with that. one definite advantage these guys have with street tires is that they're on a drag strip. have you ever walked around the start line on a hot day? that area has sooo much stick-em and melted tires you had better have your shoes laced up tight or you're leaving them stuck to the track. fortunately, I had slicks for the bee. the only other car I took to the track did have street tires. it was a Challenger, 340 auto with 4.30s and headers. that thing had no low end. a little tire spin would have really helped it out. best I got out of that one was a high 14 at 97mph. it needed a smaller converter bad. the good old days, sigh...

[@mrkemblegilstrap]

@@chevyblue10 fantastic drivers. no way in h I could do that. I bet with slicks, some of these 4 speed cars would be getting the front tires in the air. imagine reving up to 6 grand and just slipping your foot off of the clutch pedal. in my day, there was a '69 Barracuda with a hot 340, 4 speed and slicks. we used to race on the edge of town by the airport. my brother used to work for a land surveying company and we got him to measure a perfect 1,320 starting on a small concrete bridge. so, you had a few car lengths of concrete launch pad then the rest was asphalt. anyways, the Barracuda got 3, 6 grand launches, lifted the front tires a few inches each time, before the u joints said bye bye. oh, another time(at band camp) a '40 Ford dropped his front u-joints at the end of the quarter and pole vaulted himself into the ditch on the side of the road. he was ok, the car was destroyed. it left a wicked gouge in the road that was there for many years. when we first started a serious street race scene. like dummies we would all drive in a big long procession out to one of our 3 spots. naturally the cops caught on to that and would swarm us. we finally got smart and had everybody break up into 2s and 3s and sneak out of town. another place we had was a concrete road. great traction. we never measured that one. the finish was just considered to be the 3rd ginormous power pole. another one was by the naval air station. we got some of the groupies to measure that one with a 100 foot extension cord, lol. that place was the worst, tho. all asphalt and a box canyon. when the cops showed, we were definitely caught. cars used to line up on both sides of the road, start to finish. it was awesome. we were pretty stupid and lucky that nobody ever got hurt. that Ford was the only casualty in many years.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

I'll give the 350 Olds a lot of credit..

[@jamesblair9614]

No argument from me, the A12 was a certified killer, and largely because every last one built came with the 4:10 Dana with Sure-grip. If you ever came up against one, you knew there was no chance it was going to be a poorly optioned dog.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

Good ole Dr Oldsmobile!!

[@TrueBlueMotorsport]

Don't forget that ALL W-machines were factory blueprint and balanced! How did Olds do so and keep the price down? Logistics! Olds put out a notice through their division to put aside any/all engine components (as they came in from foundries/suppliers) that had PERFECT weight/dimension specs; specifically for the W-motors.

[@shawnturbeville994]

Why would anyone have bought the 455 Olds? I've never seen any of them run as good as this 350. Two seconds faster than it ran back in the day? This car is making over 400hp easy!

[@686Snub_NoDash]

Definitely makes over 400 ft lbs of torque which is why it's so strong. Olds 350 is a monster when built right !

[@timmotel5804]

Great Race. Great Cars. So Close Thank You. I loved this

[@garrisonnichols807]

This was an awesome matchup 👍

[@racerx7319]

OLDS ROCKET 🚀 FOR THE WIN .✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

[@matthewvarnam4302]

That was a very good race I'm a Chevy fan but I honestly thought the Super Bee with walk off and leave the olds. It looked like to me it pretty much came down to reaction time. Thanks for the video that was a awesome race.

[@Lockemeister]

Man that was close. Doesn't get more awesome than this!

[@455Olds88]

Those W-31 350s are so damn wicked! What's the true output of them?? Stock/factory form

[@686Snub_NoDash]

I saw a W31 350 rebuilt to stock specifications tested on the dyno. It made 360 hp + 410 ft pounds. That's 40 more hp + 50 more pounds of torque than they were rated !

[@larrybone4349]

The A 12 car's are some of my very favorite muscle cars. Because they only came with a 440 SIX PACK That's all ....my favorite muscle car engine!

[@SpontaneousSubstance.]

If you want to hear that cam (308) auto (328) stick in 68 ramrods and some w30s close up I Got a few of them 308 and 328 cams idling on my channel, ones on a rallye 350 stick car the other on a post coupe 70 442 and one in my 70 W30. As you can see I’m an Oldsmobile and Mopar fanatic and lover, sadly races like this eat me alive lol and I can’t choose one over the other but love them both. I’ve had w31s and a Stick with 3.91s that would beat my 442 big blocks even w25 ram air cars always. They just spun/revved so quick (mere moments) with the massive 4.057 bore and under 3.5” stroke I think 3.385 if I recall. I will add that my 340 (4.04 bore with a little 3.31 stroke) dusters especially my 4 speed car is insanely quick and revs to 6000 in mere moments also prob revs quicker then the olds 350 and has a better oiling system and can sustain 6000-6500 stock consistently. Would love to see a comparably worked 340 Duster or Demon go up against the w31 with same suspension and chassis setup and i suspect massaged internals as my 31s never broke into 12s on bias or even radials, Mid 13s on bias but never 12s same with my duster 340s. I would go with the 340 being they weigh a click over 3000-3200 and the w31 3500-3800 even with the factory sound majority of deadening delete and under coating delete/mist. Regardless awesome races and lots of effort and prep by both drivers/owners.

[@ericfaley9019]

Wow close race each time. Both monsters!

[@iconofsin5886]

I have not been this rock hard since the Buick GSX video.

[@tonyaxeman4381]

Both are great cars. A co worker had a super bee stick shift and going to 3rd gear he snapped off the lug bolts on one rear wheel . Mopar wicked .

[@sr71blackbirddr]

Both great cars but that W31 was impressive giving that much displacement

[@elmerwilliamson1970]

There was one of these (SuperBee) on the cover of “HotRod” magazine my senior year in high school. I used to go to the school library and read the magazine the day it came every month. I wanted a Coronet SuperBee so bad, but had to be satisfied with my 56 Buick Century 2 door hardtop!

[@dodgesportsman772]

WOW!!! BEST RACE EVER!!!

[@mannyr.2756]

Love it keep it coming!....

[@hutchinson54]

It all boiled down to who got the better jump off the line. Kind of hard to believe with the difference in power numbers that these two cars were very evenly matched. Great race for all three races.

[@BladeRunner25463c]

Good Race!

[@radioguy1620]

Better double the prices if you count inflation today !

[@raphaelhernandez4088]

I'm a mopar guy but if that old's caught you napping you were done!. Need to see a 340 against a w31.

[@warrenjansen7096]

Wayyyy closer than the specs would suggest!

[@jefferymaxfield7826]

Never would have thought that f85 could have stayed with that Mopar. I had a 1968 f85 w/rocket 350 4 speed. Did not know rear gear but I could burn rubber slamming 2nd and even scratch in 3rd. My dads best buddy saw me racing a 65 mustang and that was the end of my f85. Hell i only paid 800 for and this was in 74. Tune it up and burnt those old polyester tires off. Lol sure wish i had that car now! Of a million others say same thing.

[@1967davethewave]

I think the A12 was a great value but the original Hemi Roadrunner was a heck a value too.

[@68dart]

Awesome , 440 + 6 =Win Thanks C&Z 😀

[@swatbwana]

The w 31 was the best gm small block

[@archiebunker6059]

Not your father's Oldsmobile, he was right on that big cubed Mopar tail, both cars won in the right lane,

[@matthewvarnam4302]

I do have one question you said the Chevy 350 heads came with Big Block valves if so then what size were they????

[@morecowbell69]

Olds 350. Nothing in common with a Chevy 350 but the cubic inches.

[@chevyblue10]

In my small mind, this is a race between my built little Rocket 350 Olds and my stock '67 Chrysler 440. Closer to being even than I would have thought.

[@rickbeltzsr6716]

Awesome match up! I'd be interested in seeing the hot Studebakers racing the hemi Darts or Cudas. ❤

[@charlieandhudsonspal1312]

What’s the difference between hardtop and sport coupe?

[@rajanrairealty8979]

Underrated. Hemis did close to 500 600 tuned up and opened up

[@keiththompson7280]

W-31 ,way to go! Go back to the drawing broad 440 six pack ha ha.

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

You Damn Right, Mopar Don't Go Far !!!

[@tommycook9620]

🚀 FTW

[@danielhemple8649]

I guess the olds 350 is badder then w30 455?

[@ghostrt1608]

All the wins came from the right lane and I honestly feel like that was a better lane to run, as far as getting the best traction

[@rajanrairealty8979]

Pl bought the 442 or base

[@steveyancy8842]

These are stock????

[@harveyschindler9554]

I did not think it would be that close. It seemed like the far lane was the winner.

[@kennethcohagen3539]

I’d love to put that W31 in a Olds Omega! That would have been a quick car.

[@burtvincent1278]

How did the Olds do so well???

[@jasonkrause6778]

That OLDS had an impressive trap speed and E.T

[@heinzbaron9129]

Both of those drivers were top notch. The Dodge had one slightly off pass, otherwise the groupings were very very tight.

[@silvernail6]

There were 3 versions of the 350 in ‘70……w-31 325 h.p., 310 hp w/auto and 310 hp (claimed, some said way more) with the 4-speed

[@TheJMan1K]

What were the best “budget” muscle cars of the 60s?

[@brucebryan4081]

My guess is Dusters and Demons.

[@morecowbell69]

Road Runner. It was built specifically to fit that description.

[@mikemiller659]

I have driven a few different Olds Cutlass's & SX's & a 70 442. I have Never seen that odd looking steering wheel that the F85 has.

[@MitchZero9]

Fuck yeah. That is all.

[@lelomiliken7598]

Stiff.... competition 💥💥💥.

[@themackguyverchannel7713]

The right lane was better.

[@jimmeyer7632]

DON'T REALLY THINK IT WAS A FAIR MATCH .... WHY NOT AN OLDS WITH A 455 ????? .... BUT YES THAT OLDS SMALL IS VERY IMPRESSIVE !!!! SUPPOSEDLY THE BOSS 351 WAS THE FASTEST MUSTANG. ... AND THE Z/28'S PERFORMANCE WAS LEGENDARY

[@clyde5491]

Lol,that 440 six pack just did beat that 350 Olds.

[@jasonmenard1073]

It blows my mind that the A12 Super B is a full second faster than it was in 1970 when the magazine tested it and look at that w31 oldsmobileis running 12.60 at 109mph thats nearly. Can anyone tell me why the cars are running times like that...

[@geraldlafleur7776]

Read the rules for pure stock. They are allowed some modifications. If the W31 was taking advantage of all of them and the A12 wasn’t it can make a big difference.

[@TomJones-ug4bg]

Why must you degrade this awesome video with the will smith jackass slap?

[@brucebryan4081]

Just like a Chrysler 340 and a Chevy 396, the Olds 350 can punch above it's weight.

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

Yeah exactly like the 71 Boss 351, would take out All Those 350,s, 340,s, 396,s, and along with Many 383 Mopars, it was a Big Block Killer.

[@brucebryan4081]

@@badass6.0powerstroke10 Wish I had 1. I did have a 429 SCJ/ 1970 Torino with a 3.90 rear end

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

@@brucebryan4081 Very nice, Those 429 CJ and SCJ,s run Very Good. The 70 Torino Cobra actually one of my favorites.

[@brucebryan4081]

@@badass6.0powerstroke10 Mine ran good. Family friend worked at Ford in Advance Engine enginering. He knew how to tweak it.

[@jasonrussell9906]

Looks like the right lane was the better lane

[@bobo44donemilking51]

Where is the guy on his bike 🤣

[@derekfirt5306]

That was close

[@tylermartin2631]

The super bee made my pants tighter

[@saleh_hemi]

Hard racing

[@dougwilliams44]

Try an A12 Foadrunner next time..

[@thegreenerthemeaner]

That Olds flat embarrassed the Mopar, no matter who turned the win light on. Evidently there's loads more potential in that little 350. The A12 had about everything over that Olds.

[@OldSchool-ot9rp]

For every ounce of hp/torque out of the modified Olds, you can get 1-1/2 out of the 440... How, exactly, is the modified Olds gonna beat the modified 440???

[@daltonmann4916]

left lane curse for the olds or it might have beat the mopar.

[@DL-dj9mn]

I think something is wrong with your inflation calculator

[@CarsAndZebras]

I don’t think you understand inflation

[@mickeymighty1866]

Someone trade my 68 roadrunner for a super bee 🐝 😩

[@joshuacohn2004]

Door handle to door handle!!!