How to buy a Discovery 4 - Common problems, cost of parts, test drive tips (XS spec)

[@oarabileramogale3472]

New cars in South Africa are craaaazy expensive these days. please make more videos like this reviewing used cars and giving advice on what to lookout for. This was great!

[@veedeekay5610]

This has the "ReDriven" KZbin channel vibes, but I like it since its more SA focussed. And of course, Ciro

[@lindanameson2514]

😂😂 💯 my sentiments, exactly!

[@moagimpshe8814]

Love the change and mostly I think they'll be able to be more accurate - have found redriven to easily subject to conjecture from people only complaining online

[@muzinkosi668]

Brilliant car, i have a 2011 SDV6 HSE, that i bought in 2013 @ 65000km, currently on 255000km. Air compressor packed up 3 yrs ago, bought a replacement one from Land Rover parts for africa for R8000, had my indie replace it and i was out the door for R11000 all in. Electronic break packed up at about 120000km got it fixed an no problem, learnt my lesson not to go play in mud, it’s the electronic motor that packs up just above the top of the spare wheel, get it serviced or cleaned every third or so service. Oil changes religiously done every 10000km. Drives like a dream and i have no plans of parting ways with it. I take it off-road and on hunting trips no worries. It’s a brilliant car and worth keeping for a very long time, 13 years and still counting no issues. They are just brilliant. did my cambelt at 150000km, will do it again at 300000km.

[@Carscoza]

This is great info. Thanks for sharing.

[@WesleyRobb]

It is nice to hear from people who have actually owned a vehicle for a long time. Too much hearsay out there.

[@darnellengelbrecht4400]

Great comment, this sums it up pretty nicely. I own a 2010 TDV6 SE, had the compressor for the air suspension replaced last year (owned the car since 2020), bought at 147000km. The catastrophic engine failure happened before I bought the car. It’s an awesome family car, running costs are reasonable but a wee bit more expensive than my 1998 105 Land Cruiser, which isn’t nearly as comfortable. Agree with Muzi, I too am in no rush to get rid of mine.

[@darnellengelbrecht4400]

Forgot to add, it is value for money and the fuel economy is reasonable (compared to my Land Cruiser I mean…). In summary I would buy another Disco 4 if I had the choice

[@muzinkosi668]

@@darnellengelbrecht4400 Nice one Darnelle, funny I also own a Land Cruiser 2017, 4.5d vx 200 series aka “The TANK”, I enjoy them both, but the Disco is a lot more user friendly every where, narrow enough for bush tracks, not too heavy for daily driving, and more fuel efficient than the TANK. Also way better ergonomics and inforteinment lay out and usability for a 2011 disco compared to a 2017 top of the range Toyota. They are just brilliant finish and klaar 😂

[@khulekilemsimanga997]

Always good to hear about actual costs. Not the usual internet fearmongering where someone will have you believe that every JLR product will wake up at night and eat the yoghurt in your fridge out of sheer spite.

[@Empie1904]

They say you go into the bush with a Land rover and come out the bush with a Landcruiser

[@tendailuwo6718]

I have a Disco 4 V8. Amazing car. Not as unreliable as people say although occasionally repairs can be pricey. Love it and don’t see myself replacing it any time soon.

[@stevejones1318]

Thanks Ciro. Relevant tips on used cars is exactly what we need when new cars are so unaffordable. You must be dong well to have a C63, Disco, Mx5(?) and whatever else.

[@KatlegoMac]

This video is a stuff of legends! Great work for the South African market. 🇿🇦🔥🔥🔥

[@tdjohn12432000]

Just bought a 2013 LR4 HSE with only 57,000 miles. I too got under the car and looked for any leaks, or physical damage. None found. I had also purchased a scanner and checked for any codes. All clear, so I think I found a winner.

[@adriaanserrao2016]

When it comes to doing everything and driving long distance nothing comes close to this car to me. Drove one from Melkbosstrand 1200km into the northern cape the one day and back the other day. Unbelievable comfortable, smooth, great sound system, decent fuel consumption for something so huge. The sdv6 and 8 speed are much better than the 6 speed.

[@mikecoleman2521]

I've had an XS since 2013 - fantastic all round vehicle. I didn't want air suspension / sunroof / 7 seats ( and the reduced packing space) so went for the XS. As it turns out it's the best Disco 4 IMO. A few points - For off road use factory suspension is too low (185 mm clearance) so you'll need a 50mm lift on the coil springs to improve ground clearance. If the parking brake gets stuck you can release it by removing the cupholder - quite simple. Change the oil & filter every 10-12000km rather than the 26000km as recommended by LR. Enjoy

[@CiroDeSiena]

Thanks so much for this. I'm not much of an offroader, might do a bit of dune driving here at Atlantis but mostly the odd gravel road. I love how practical the car is. I plan to service every 10,000km indeed. So nice to hear a good Disco story. Wishing you many more happy miles

[@Ventoux10]

Had a 2012 S from new. Absolutely loved it … except when the turbo went at 37k … and again when it went at 75k. Traded it in just before the maintenance plan finished.

[@vuyilefalita]

I've always liked the Discovery4 HSE,out of all the Discovery models.But i've been sceptical about ever owning one because of hearing about air-suspension issues and how expensive it is to maintain.I had no idea that the XS was a much better option.Thanks alot for this much needed information Ciro,much appreciated.

[@TR4zest]

If you are at all handy, the air suspension system is very simple. Each corner has an airbag and a lift sensor. Changing those out is as taxing as a brake service. The compressor is a bit more involved, but rusted bolts are the hardest issue. Nothing beats that limousine ride.

[@brendanbouwer6102]

E39 in the background looks neat!

[@xolilejansen1540]

Was looking at it as well.

[@clintalexander6350]

I recently bought a 2015 LR4 HSE HD package and loving it . Rigging it out to be my Overlanding vehicle.

[@GerardMonni]

My third Discovery , got to be best allrounder in the 4x4 field !

[@Ngunirovers7481]

Great Review Great choice in car. The disco 4 is superb, we run a fleet of defender game viewers as well as cruiser bakkies. One would think when choosing a car for transferring guests we would have chosen Land Cruiser prados or 200 series. But even after replacing an engine, the used disco is cheaper to buy and run than the equivalent Land Cruiser. However we changed the fleet over to V8’s and now don’t worry about snapped cranks, or cracked manifolds, or failed turbos, or limp modes. Only fuel bills. When we had the diesels we had two 2015 snap cranks, word on the street is that because the XS has only one turbo and less power it snaps fewer cranks🤷🏼‍♂️ the disco 4 is not the best at anything, but it is very good at everything, making it a great all rounder.

[@WesleyRobb]

I recently bought a 2013 SE and I absolutely love it. Great car and great video!

[@anathisonqishe8610]

I have always admired the disco 4, and I ready and watched so many issues with engine failure and honestly that chanced m away from it. Body wise I like the way it looks, but I ended up with L322 3.6tdv8, after it's older Td6 with BMW setup. Thank you for the XS information.

[@keithmatthias4348]

Great review Ciro. They are great vehicles when they are running OK with no issues. Very comfortable on the open road as well as offroad😅. But the lack of trust in them is an issue and why I would probably not buy another LR product. Agree with comments of others that similar videos of secondhand purchases of other brands are done. But my 2 cents worth of my experiences with one. I bought a Disco 4 SE new in February 2015. From the start the dashboard rattled badly and despite many attempts the selling dealer was never able to fix. LR are well known for poor assembly as well as being one of the most expensive in SA regarding workshop costs. At 32 000 kms the brake servo and master cylinder had to be replaced as brakes were binding. Relieved that it occurred close to home and not on a trip which would have needed a flatbed. Battery replaced after 3 years. The Maintenance Plan expired when I had done 82 000 kms. Low mileage owing to personal health circumstances notwithstanding trips to Lesotho and annually to Timbavati. However as I feared the dreaded crank snap (estimates were 1 in 19 vehicles snapped cranks. Car Magazine published about this ), took an extended 2 year plan from the selling dealer. Max that you could get and thank goodness I did. In that period the rear diff, a turbo, air pump and suspension valves needed replacing. Fortunately no crank snap though. I sold the vehicle immediately after the expiry of the extended plan with 106 312 kms on the clock. Very low for its age but the nature of repairs in its last 2 years were an indication for me of a lot more to follow. I hope I was wrong and whoever did buy from WeBuyCars has not faced huge costs. A good KZbin site to see how complex these cars are is LR Time.

[@Mothercityguy]

I drove a V8 disc 4 black one. Didnt own it but awesome drive was extremely happy.

[@phiritonathato5477]

Great review of the Disco 4. You should do more videos on popular 2nd hand buys in the market. 1 car I would love for you to review is the Range Rover L322 the TDV8 models, I believe its also a great buy and has so much spec on offer just the number of quirks and running costs that people dont know about and that should be put out there for anyone looking to buy a L322 Range Rover.

[@pantoffelslippers]

Second that!

[@anathisonqishe8610]

With the three versions of L322, The 1st diesel version with BMW is basically preface X5 1999...2003, that major suffers with gearbox issues as major problem, injectors leaking and suspension issues, with 9yrs of ownership.... 3.6tvd V8, it's by far the best vs it's predecessor with more interesting setup with ZF 6hp26. So far it been a good girl, apart from the oil sweat from engine oil cooler and front air suspension shocks. 2011 up it was very limited and very few of them in SA before they start with L405. They came with 8speed with modified 3.6 to 4.4 SDV8. I believe they came as limited additions as they are not easy to find, as I hardly see them on sale.

[@Saida561]

😲Man that is exactly my spec that one has definitely had a soft life its perfect for off-road driving its got decent power. Its the car I wanted my wife to get but I failed to convince her she didn't like the looks of it and bought the Tiggo 4 pro instead...….disappointed specially on long trips I'd rather drive my old BMW 6 cylinder but she's happy with it that's what matters.

[@jcvantasties]

Excellent video team! More of these please, for all the "old greats". Please do a similar video on the Freelander 2

[@StudioADcomics]

Would definitely like to see more videos like this , especially with brands known for issues , such as Renault , Fiat etc

[@double-n]

Great video! The Disco 4's are some of the most underrated cars on the market. But the air suspension is really not such a big issue. If the car is well maintained they rarely have an issue. I had all 4 air shocks replaced at a Land Rover specialist in Centurion for around R33k including labour, with OE parts. The car had around 220,000km at that point. I dare you to find another luxury SUV where replacing all 4 shocks will cost less than that. The Disco is a really heavy car and the shocks on the XS will also probably have be replaced at that mileage, and I don't expect it to be that much cheaper. As for the compressor, there's a filter on the air intake. Just keep that clean and it will probably last the lifetime of the car.

[@dudududu4719]

I owned an lr4 2014 trust me it’s the best looking car but! It’s the worst mechanic ever made

[@BubblesTheCat1]

33k for shocks😳

[@pantoffelslippers]

I think he meant shocks loosely. I.e. the discovery is a heavy car and after that mileage, the springs and shocks will be replaced and probably cost R30k too..

[@Stura_tv]

Did you get the shock changed or the air suspension changed?

[@double-n]

@@pantoffelslippers Yes exactly :)

[@brandonduplessis4022]

Please do more of these types of videos. It helps a lot when buying a second hand older vehicle.

[@JacquesRza]

Yeah nice one - enjoy Ciro! That unpredictable crank failure is a horror story too big for me. Easy to find a flatbed in our metro areas, but not so easy in the middle of Chobe - been there, got the t-shirt...

[@komododragontrades]

these typeS of vids ARE GENIUS , NEED MORE🔥🔥🔥, I WANTED TO SPEND MY WHOLE WEEKKENDS watching these but i found only a few😭😭😭

[@blackbeardadventures7374]

It's more like just close your eyes and take it home. Too beautiful to leave alone in some cold, lonely dealership's garage. ❤

[@colinhoward74]

In the day , LR dealers were stupidly telling their customers of the xs that their cars would be void of any warrantee because the air suspension had been tampered with , I myself heard it at 3 different dealerships , 2 in the sandton area and one in PTA , all at different times of the year !

[@Bjm365]

I truly like this episode, hope you can do more "common problems" from time to time for popular cars 🙏🏾😁

[@pandelanisephaladi2442]

Very helpful. I Should have seen this video before I bought it. Barely 7 months and the car is showing me flames 😰

[@TradeWithTheCEO]

I almost bought a Land Rover Discovery 4 S last week 2014 that looks exactly like Chiros cause of this video, damn you Chiro!

[@inky5168]

2009 D4 (LR4) HSE TDV6, 150k covered at time of purchase. Next to zero service history available. 12k miles and later still going strong. It's my third L319 (Discovery 3/4). All three bought cheap effectively without history. The first had covered 230k miles at the time of purchase. I'd covered 30k in it. Part exchanged it for another HSE Discovery 3. Covered nearly 100k miles in it. Now I've the current D4. Service history is nice but not essential providing you have knowledge and are prepared. Climate, geography, history and previous owners play a part in the vehicles wellbeing. It is possible to tell if a vehicle has been looked after without service history, which usually means it's been serviced fairly often. If there's no record of engine changes and the vehicle is at 150k+ miles covered then it's possible that you have a lump that's not prone to the dreaded crank issue. However it's worth changing the belts and oil pump (especially with a 2.7 TDV6 as their oil pump can cause major issues) if there's no record of change if the vehicle has covered 80k+ miles. None of my L319's have cost more than £6k. In fact they've all cost under £5k barring the current black D4 HSE. Obviously prices will vary pending location, condition, service history, milage etc. If you have a good L319 you'll find that it to be the very best all-rounder available. They're a superb machine

[@momaine4604]

I hope you guys more videos of this calibre with different cars.

[@RhythmAndRibs]

Love the new video approach with quotes for parts, superb🎉

[@danieljohn64]

The Disco 5 is a world away from the Disco 4 and more like a replacement for the Freelander. The Disco 4 is a big, boxy and utilitarian workhorse (with creature comforts), and the new Defender 110 is its closest replacement in my opinion.

[@D0zer122]

I’m even happy with my Freelander 2 SD4 XS (L359) MY2015 of which I believe only 36 where sold in SA. Now that I know the XS Disco 4 has no air suspension…not bad. Thanks! On the EGR- sure our law doesn’t prohibit tampering with an emissions control? Unless the mapping would take care of the combustion temperatures to reduce NOx emissions

[@ijacobs333]

so on the suspension side, i refurbished my own compressor ( had the hitachi one) for around R2k, a good independent mechanic does most of that work at a fraction of a price of the dealer, had full cambelt service done, with intakes for R8k that said, i regret selling mine, it was such an amazing vehicle

[@JamNandas]

Hi @jacobs333, kindly hook me up with the mechanic. I own Disco4 & it needs some attention on the gearbox,so i need advice.Please

[@ijacobs333]

@@JamNandas if you based in gauteng, east rand area, you in luck, look up Landy Icon, speak to Erick

[@ricoco123]

Awesome work guys!

[@Siyabonga158]

Awesome video, Ciro! I have sent this to a mate of mine that owns a Disco 4. Hopefully he’ll learn a thing or two 🙏🏾

[@edneyharadoeb2102]

Timing belts replacement both front and rear we do it while the body is still on

[@1thousand.islands]

The best looking Discovery generation

[@andreolivier9208]

This is very informative and we need more much more of this please! Something like Redriven in Australia!!!!!

[@0sh3n]

Fantastic review. Thank you!

[@marcjcapetown]

These sorts of videos are very useful. It would have been great if you could have gone through the different engines and their respective weaknesses. SDV6 vs TDV6 etc. But I guess there's always ReDriven for the thorough analysis.

[@philippienaar2065]

Great advice Ciro. Thank you

[@copperfalcon1]

Thank you so much for this video Ciro 👌 I’m in the market for an SUV, between a disco 4, Touareg or XC90 and this code helps a lot 🎉

[@ricoco123]

this was a great review!

[@ktakura]

Ahhh man! You gave away my hack!! (XS). Plus your model looks hella close to one I almost bought a year ago. Got a hunvh these are set to be future classics and will start appaciating or holding their used values quite well. Mostly cause the present shape went full 'private school' and had a sex change.

[@rob3518]

Please . Really !!!!! . I considered a disco back in 2014 vs a LC200 . Just loved the look , the prestige, the heritage of the Disco……. But……. Nearly 11 years later and what have I to regret buying the LC200….. nothing, no regrets, just rock up , service, drive and enjoy. Literally no issues, job done .

[@EugenyKiselyov]

So beautiful car. Thanks

[@bokeerfamily-ox3yb]

Great review u should do a video on all ur cars u own and the problems u had

[@skywill1000]

Good info Could you do A Evoque petrol and diesel models maintenance and break downs?

[@KangoV]

WTAF? The body does not need to be lifted. Ive just had belts changed, front and rear for £700, parts and labour. I just bought a new compressor for £195. Front air struts for £280 for the pair and £320 for both rears. Easy to fit.

[@neilbotha3527]

Great video. Be great to hear your feedback as you go and add the km

[@leboganglamola4512]

Hey Ciro please do the same video for older jeep wranglers

[@AslamBhorat]

What is a Discovery without air suspension? A Toyota! But seriously, I am onto my 3rd Discovery 4. Have had some of the issues you discussed but I wouldn't sell my current Disco just yet. It is a superbly refined vehicle with excellent on and off-road handling. Looked at a Discovery 5, a new Defender and even a Land Cruiser 200. None of them appeal to me in the way the Disco 4 does. I have decided that even if the crank shaft breaks, I would gladly pay the roughly R200k for a new engine so that I can have it back on the road again.

[@rohangolianth9474]

Thanks bro you saved me a lot of money

[@erloduncan7446]

Thanks boet. Good vid! Much appreciated.

[@seanfenwick]

There is a fault in the crank design on the diesels and bearmach has a complete crank upgrade which means the engine suddenly becomes quite reliable.

[@bombardierboerboels]

Do you have any details on this company thx

[@raymondmalan487]

This Vehicle looks Neat... From a Dealership Service Dept. Perspective...it plain Rubbish Unreliable and Crazy to Fix. Glad you Enjoy yours. I will go the Land Cuiser Route. Great Vid !! ✌

[@pitsomlangeni3348]

Please do a video on the Volvo XC40. I’m eyeing one with 95k 2019 model, manual.

[@funos-h9q]

The Volvo xc40 doesn't come in Manual

[@pitsomlangeni3348]

It does. When the XC40 T3 came out, it had a manual gearbox.

[@funos-h9q]

@@pitsomlangeni3348 I searched everywhere but I can't find the manual one, maybe someone out there has it.

[@rohangolianth9474]

Can you please do a kia soul diesel dct please

[@gerhardtlanders]

V8 petrol is the way to go

[@sivuyilekamjoli9725]

I love the content. Volvo XC60 and Pajero Sport please

[@NakkiranSunassee]

Seeing that you are now a landy owner, why don't you join The Cape Land Rover Club? There's a Fun Drive at Ou Trekpad on Sunday 26th, which would be perfect for putting your D4 through its paces 😁

[@Glynnc11]

enjoyed the video - keep it coming....

[@louikamanga7303]

hold on how's a cam belt a body off job? I can understand a high-pressure belt which by now we know it can be changed without lifting the body with some maneuvering & 20k rands to change a timing belt! that's madness, at that price you'll have to include an oil pump, water pump tensioner, and pulleys oh & a thermostat ... its Ludacris!

[@somilalandu7295]

Great car proper gentleman’s vehicle 🙏

[@justvidsandpics3757]

Please do a review on the new ford territory

[@mochox]

A real world video! Thanks Ciro. Now we need a video on the M5 in the background please!!!😂

[@cedricjacobs4917]

Finally geez thank you meneer for that info

[@keabua]

Getting a Discovery 4 without air suspension makes no sense to me. The air suspension is part of what makes this car so brilliant off-road. Repairing air suspension is no longer as expensive as it used to be.

[@Gilbertr14]

The rpm’s fluctuate on low speed cruise is a sign the crank is going…

[@AlouisGuy]

This is a very nice car but it needs someone who can afford it on service

[@riaanmocke3364]

Great video thanks 👌👌

[@adecruiser9600]

You dont need body off for cam belt on ford lion engine - chat with your mech. again. Nice power, awesome zf 8hp and comfy air susp. Sucks money with regular use (handbrake etc.) but might be worth it. Needs to be scrapped soon though as crank will snap any moment after 160k km - end of design life.

[@trevorzim]

We greatly appreciate

[@alexberry5118]

I have a XS discovery 4 it has air suspension and heated seats

[@dwmaphosa8756]

Nice review

[@cgo30]

My 2013 se with fsh lasted a week before the engine blew. R170 to replace. Walk away guys

[@vuyaniman9440]

Even new cars are risky these days. . Worst part dealers are not very helpful once the car is yours. . I had to put up with limp mode on a 2 year old 2021 VW Tiguan, every time I went over 5000rpm. VW SA alleged that I used dirty fuel so they couldn’t help me..

[@satayathembo4541]

Great video

[@YusufPetersenCPT]

Nothings more expensive than a cheap Landrover this is definitely one of those you get and hardly drive just for them holidays.

[@simonvallantine6121]

Had my 2011 for 14 years now..Only replaced the air compressor in that time..Regular service and using 10w40 dfp oil and NOT 10w30 like is recommended...My landy runs much smoother and on my last service there was no sign of any metal wear in the oil filter or oil...Anyone still running 10w30 is sitting on a time bomb..

[@simmpessor5541]

I'll stick the Fortuner and be happy to give a lift to the Land rover guy to work.

[@mvubu6823]

Former Disco 3 and Disco 4 owner here. They are the best, most practical cars ever built. BUT - THEY BREAK - A LOT. They are getting to the age where the risk / reward is not worth it. Do oil changes at 10,000 not 26000 like the stupid owners manual suggests.

[@markbooysen9412]

Dude, I can't believe you didn't even mention the VW Touareg as an option for a potential buy if you didn't go LR.

[@Stura_tv]

one of the best cars I ever owned, had 3 discos and always said I would never buy one out of warrantee

[@johanlewis9836]

Yes off course you won't, I wonder why..now I remember, it's because it's crap, unreliable, expensive pieces of 💩 to keep on the road. 😂😂

[@Stura_tv]

@@johanlewis9836 As a landy fan I would like to argue but its hard to validate it really. For me it was one of the best cars I ever owned, never had any issues from day one. All did over 100K before selling and they all retained their value quite well. but still I would battle to buy one out of warrantee, but the XS is a great option and the air suspension is what causes a lot of the big issues

[@kabouscoetzee8853]

@@johanlewis9836 have you driven one...?

[@DarkHorse0577]

Cool video

[@mikelaurie3850]

Landrover, taking you places, leaving you there.

[@bombardierboerboels]

Does the sound of a snapping crank help 😂

[@Youngclassicsclub]

All the other stuff is small. If you own this car, you will have a crank failure/ bearing knock that happens at any mileage its not maintenance based It's a roulette some people are very to get to 200k km before it happens. He also does mention the cost of this risk. Once you do, the engine costs R230,000 at the moment. It can't be repaired like other engines. Many have tried and will fraud try to repair it at your cost it fails again by 5000km. Ive got receipts. Phone landy specialist to ask about this before making our mistake have receipts to show above. Less likely on the V8 petrol.

[@hughmarcus1]

It’s very much maintenance related. The original maintenance schedule is far too long. If the oil is changed every 5000 miles instead of the 15,000 in the schedule, the risk of crank failure is much lower

[@howardnyika966]

is the engine on this SUV the one modified for the Ranger V6?

[@adecruiser9600]

Yes - and the crank will also snap anytime after 160k km

[@howardnyika966]

@@adecruiser9600 i also hear that the engine is very difficult to service

[@hughmarcus1]

It is a Ford designed engine.

[@hughmarcus1]

@@adecruiser9600the biggest problem is that the original service intervals are far too long. On vehicles with a DPF regens can lead to oil dilution all of which can lead to premature engine failure.

[@Under_Construction100]

Not me holding my teeth when the repair costs were mentioned as if I was gonna buy a Disco 4 😬😬😬

[@mandlamncube2234]

my favourite 4x4x far

[@siyabongadlamini7852]

Great video as always but ,I would rather stick with german or japanese makes

[@robertjohnston3658]

And the German cars don’t have issues! Ha ha ha They are worse!

[@Youngclassicsclub]

The year thing he mentions is nonsense it happens up to the disco 5s if the engine wasnt replaced by factory warranty dont bother buying one. That XS is nonsense. Younbuy these for the airsuspension If you find one with engine done it will be the best car you ever drive!

[@andyhill8312]

Sorry but the body doesn't need to come off the change the cam belt!