The PAINFUL Decline of Rick and Morty

I pulled several muscles while editing this. Anyway, Rick and Morty is still one of Adult Swim's most popular and beloved shows. However, in recent years the quality of the storytelling and jokes has faltered dramatically. Here's how Rick and Morty tragically declined.
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[@ronel7836]

Welcome back my g Hope you are doing mentally and physically.

[@lonin8050]

sad. This show used to be so good.

[@CaDeYbOi]

Yeah how could you steal from an alt smh my head

[@dreadknight2439]

This is the first thing I thought of lmao, I love seeing content from both of u so I’ll gladly support

[@shizzleblitz]

just blink twice if hes holding you hostage

[@darkdudironaji]

The hatred for serialization really upsets me. Because they're the perfect show to be semi serialized. You could have your self-contained adventure of the week that isn't related to any of the other adventures. But have the effects of that adventure continue on to future episodes. And reveal small bits about the characters past in each adventure.

[@cursedimageseveryday5559]

To be honest I actually think this so called hatred for serialization is an actuall part of the story not just a gag that writters keeps telling us so we don't demand serious plot. Rick somehow knows he is in a show.

[@iantaakalla8180]

He did say “he hates backstories” in a literary sense but that turned out to hide a tragic backstory so maybe him not wanting serialization could his detached literary-speak for “I don’t want to develop because I feel I am impossible to develop positively?”

[@Mr.encore]

Honestly if there should be a rick and morty rewritten and where I would change is after s2 and if I was the creator I would demand for theme to go full serialization if I knew what would happend and the show dilcene after s2 and just tell theme to suck it up

[@Mr.encore]

And in my s3 rewritten the frist thing I would do is to erase Rick's memories of everything up to this point to get rid of meta hummer and make rick forget that he's in the show and would have made the government alot more threatening than in s3 and 4

[@Mr.encore]

And reveal his backstory a little bit sooner but not all of it just half of Rick's backstory in rewritten s3 and save the rest for rewritten s4 or s5

[@Frustratedartist2]

Finally someone who appreciates the earlier seasons WITHOUT implying that they are the modern equivalent of Shakespeare

[@seanlaffey3633]

They were great when they came out. It was the wackiness of an adult swim show without getting uncomfortable. It was also exciting to see because I had been a fan of Roiland for a few years. I think the “you need to be smart to understand Rick and Morty” crap happened in season 3, when Roiland stopped a lot of his involvement anyway, and the writers seemed to lean into that.

[@beatlefreak67]

​@@seanlaffey3633thank you! I always felt Rick and Morty went from * athf * level of nonsense, to obnoxious*im so deep and clever* vibes, way to quick lol. Like past 2017 they are so full of themselves

[@gargles5270]

@@seanlaffey3633 i just looked into it on know your meme and yep! it was when the third season had just started. which is strange because it feels like that copypasta has always been here atp

[@hospitalgal101]

Yes. R&M has become so pretentious. After watching Community last year, I feel as though Harmon has tendency to start a show with a great idea and great humor, from a relatable standpoint that breaks through to how the viewer thinks, but then if the show gets successful after a couple seasons he starts believing HE is smarter than the audience and seems to have a disdain for them. I just start getting the feeling watching both shows that the writers think they are better than me and incredibly narcissistic

[@noreplyivebeencensoredbyyo5546]

All the writers are now f3m4le thats why🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂😂

[@therrfuin7897]

Harmon needs to just write shorter shows lmfao doesn't seem like he can stick with a show too long without beginning to hate it or the people who watch it

[@hospitalgal101]

@@therrfuin7897 you just hit it exactly. Hating the show or the people who watch them

[@vitaminn3588]

Fix him

[@beatenbykarma]

What do you expect from a dude who gives TED talks on "The Harmon Story Circle" where he word for word quotes Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey without a hint of irony?

[@chuckmangione4747]

I would say after season 3 a lot of peoples interest in the show, mine included, declined significantly. It started to become somewhat cringy, it felt like they were trying too hard to be over the top and witty. It just turned into a mess in my opinion.

[@InfernosReaper]

Come to think of it, wasn't season 4 when they were given a contract for several seasons, likely with stricter deadlines?

[@lemur1129]

Season 3 WAS that, the viewship started declining mid season 3.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202]

@@lemur1129 agreed, season 3 doesn’t compare to the first two save for a few episodes

[@darklordixor]

In season 3 we started to get shit-tier episodes, but it overall the season was saved by some great episodes and probably the best in the series "Ricklantis" by season 4 we got a couple of good and 1 great episode and the rest shit. Each season we got fewer and fewer good quality episodes.

[@JillLulamoon]

Definitely the case for me. I vividly remember the feeling of binging the whole season and growing increasingly irritated. Vindicators 2 my attention vanished completely. Hate that episode. I had food poisoning and wanted to watch something funny, I just was left annoyed and kind of depressed.

[@PFCelis2]

Once they actually stuck to the whole “nothing matters” joke as a real premise for the show, that’s when it stopped being fun to watch for me.

[@Im.Smaher]

They literally did the exact opposite. You don’t watch the show. Dan Harmon’s even directly said that the show goes against that.

[@villain9482]

What the fuck is this take

[@RG-rm6ih]

@@villain9482 Is that all you have to say? What was even the point?

[@imirkksome2476]

@@RG-rm6ih he's saying that his take is shit. if you read what he said then there shouldn't be any further discussion.

[@mistermanners6661]

I just wanna put it out there - Venture Bros. has done almost literally everything Rick and Morty has done and significantly better. It stayed relatively consistently good all throughout the show's run. It never felt too up it's own rectum, it just wanted to tell its story. It's a huge underrated Adult Swim gem that I only found after Rick and Morty's fall.

[@hamchau1468]

You guys keep forgetting Venture Bros is ugly as fuck I hate that art style

[@SSFhighcommandJOHN]

@@hamchau1468 ?? Yeah no it fucking isn't

[@doctoc1334]

thank you for mentioning my favorite show of all time. VB deserved so much more.

[@bau9894]

@@hamchau1468 go figure, you have an anime pfp, of course it looks ugly to you

[@chloek9372]

@@hamchau1468 Rick and Morty's art style is way uglier ...

[@MrEdit-ic7th]

Stuff like this makes me appreciate Gravity Falls even more. Short and sweet with a compact and engaging story with lovable characters from beginning to end.

[@arson764]

Idk. I love gravity falls but sometimes Mabel makes me want to rip my hair out. The show was so short that the writers sacrificed her development for Dippers, because there just wasn’t enough time to let them both grow. I wish it had had three seasons, like Avatar the Last Airbender. Short and sweet but not so short that writers run out of sufficient time for all their characters.

[@hospitalgal101]

Truth

[@Miriam_J_]

@Ratafak Plachta It's the exact opposite though? It's very very clearly written by men. Every girl character is written so meanly and they're all constantly fighting each other. This is far from feminist lmao.

[@chesterparish3794]

Agreed. A near perfect show.

[@zigzoinks5493]

@@Miriam_J_ I wouldn’t necessarily say that. Though, you did perfectly describe Mabel.

[@037productions]

I still enjoy the show, but the pessimism and dark brand of humor for old fast. I’m glad they tried something new in season five with Rick and Morty’s relationship, and I do love the evil morty lore. I think if they continue to do that and find ways to change things up they can keep the show going.

[@arachnidsLor]

rick and morty feels like a metaphor for the last few years. finally something good and fun that makes you optimistic about the state and quality of things. makes you happy. then it just gets bad but you try to hold on to it.then it gets worse and you leave it be. and then it just exists, dead and empty, maybe with flickers of the original joy coming out sometimes. it just feels like this is how ive been experiencing the last decade lmao

[@potateo7504]

I liked season 4, but I definitely think the earlier seasons are better. Season 5 I didn't really like at all.

[@heehee2007]

For me I thought S1 and S2 were great, S3 and S4 were okay but flawed as hell, and S5 was really mid. But yeah this show has declined in the past few years

[@vit124]

@@heehee2007 in my opinion if there werent the last 3 episodes of the 5th season the show would have died for sure honestly lol

[@stevenmark4407]

Season 5 was literally better than season 4. The second half of s4 carried the season as a whole. S5 had more bangers than shitters compared to S4

[@stevenmark4407]

@@vit124 no. Most of s5 minus that incest shit was good. The first two episodes along with the last three were great. The turkey episode was fine ig. Anything that anything to do with the incest baby is ass.

[@vit124]

@@stevenmark4407 i said in my opinion sir, opinions are different and thats it

[@ultrawow65]

TL;DR Let's be honest - This show was designated for a stoned audience. The reason it was so good was that no one in their *clear mind* sought to figure it out. It started as a show to watch while high, not for it's depth or meta-complexity, but for the colorful mind-numbing dream-like experience with some sophisticated poop jokes and an anti-hero character. No one - not even the writers - wanted this show to become serious. But alas, flat out comedy alone does not make a show great. The scarce moments, the sad and insightful, where you could actually see some depth inside the madness - they were what made this show so profound. But depth meant plot and plot required people to get it, but stoned people were not there to get it, but the show's popularity just exploded like a nuclear bomb and new audiences means more success. But how could they appeal to both stoned and clear-minded people? I remember how after season 2 there was a HUGE wave of speculations about what's next, due to how the season ended. The expectations were at peak. I think the writers understood that and felt the great pressure. It's like they knew they had to come up with a delivery of the ages, but it was simply impossible(and still is) to satisfy all of the audiences. The only way found a way to kind-of doing it was to... write something so flat and dumb that it appears to be actually deep and then double down on it as if it was just you(yes, you!) who were too dumb to get it?! In the next few episodes of season 3, they took every messure possible to compile all of the fan-based speculations and theories and conciously contradicted them inside the story, so that ONLY THEY will be ones who bring out the mindblowing twists, ONLY THEY will be the ones to tell the audience where the "actual story" goes. Sure - it was indeed a legendary delivery that no one could predict(I wonder why) - But what it meant was that they had to double down on their own audiences, they had to make everyone look stupid and them look smarter, like they're on another level. But there was also another huge problem - mindblowing twists only work if the show comes to a conclusion of some sort or takes an extreme turn into a completely new environment, otherwise the show might fall into inconsistency if not carefully constructed and synchronized with the older episodes. The combination of an inconsistent world and a show that has to double down on its own audiences again and again just to stay alive, shows how dead it is. Yet again, the writers never wanted it to become so serious, so maybe it had to die in order to become good again?

[@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398]

I feel this. I watched it stoned each time and thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@aletanook]

I can literally feel the writers' stress and tired pressure just by watching season 5.

[@icecreamhero2375]

I hated this show before it was cool. LOL I think it's boring, when I watch the episodes I often ask where's the joke. Rick Turning himself into a kid to hunt Vampires at the school. This is considered boring by usual Rick and Morty standards. Half of him wants to be a kid and half of him wants to be an adult so he fights himself. This is funny because.................I have no idea. I also dislike the dreary tone and how all the characters are angsty all the time. I also think it's just gore=funny.

[@turokokokoko9714]

Nooo i mean stupid fart jokes is about the worst it gets in the first two seasons and violence isn’t even used for laughs more action or shock?. Along with constant jokes being made, meta jokes/pop culture , and then an improvisational tone of roiland made characters which was always my fav part. Like season 5 was straight up trash for the most part but ur criticisms seem hollow

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@turokokokoko9714 I watched like 10 episodes and didn't like a single one I chuckled maybe once. This show just ain't for me.

[@QueenSydon]

You're reading my mind with how I've always felt about this show, holy shit. R&M is like that one shitty friend who just HAS to make some gross, cynical joke during a tense or dramatic scene of a movie. Anything that comes close to opening the way to self reflection is barred with nasty, tryhard humour.

[@theguylivinginyourwalls]

@@icecreamhero2375 Being calm and stating an opinion without being petty or calling names? _In a KZbin comment section?_ What is this sorcery?

[@Lemoncakelover678]

@@theguylivinginyourwalls Yep. I seen them before. They have some unpopular opinion but there pretty cool about it as far as I know

[@basimo5792]

The Thing that Rick and Morty is missing is more of Justin Royland. Of course he still making the voices but the visual jokes, and his random scence of humor mix with the more organized and self refferencial work of Dan Harmond was the thing that made the first seasons pure Gold. Now it feels like he Just go to the studio, do the voices and then leaves to keep working on "Solar Opposites" or other projects. Dan Harmon is a great writer but Rick and Morty Identity came from Justin Royland Randomnes and Dan Harmon ability to take those random ideas and turn them in an entertaining episode.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202]

I’m glad someone mentioned this. Everyone always seems to overlook Roilands contribution to the show and give all the credit to Harmon

[@Henrix1998]

The mirrored clips really hurt my brain

[@KraziShadowbear]

Back then, when I had only heard and seen small bits of this show, I thought it was a nihilistic, edgy adult animation, but when I learn that it was pretty deep and pretty good, I was interested in why. Later on, when random Rick & Morty memes (Obviously the cancerous "Pickle Rick" one especially) spammed the internet, I tried to distance myself from that, cause I noticed that comedy (at least made by the new generation here on the internet) was starting to get ridiculous and nonsensical. I saw many people talk about "Oh! This message about nihilism and the system is SO deep" and such, thinking it was a good show, but now I see that it's just fallen into what I once thought on surface-level to be: A show that's pushed it's message so hard that not even the show itself can make sense or comprehend what it's doing or what "thing" it's trying to do or even organize itself properly. It's all so random and ridiculous.

[@jordangardner2014]

As someone who only just recently got into MGR, I'm loving the memes

[@BrownMan-gg7dx]

@0:40 is funny asf 😂 The combination of the music, the perfect timing of the clip of Morty snapping his fingers to the trumpet player matching with the music and j Jonah Jameson laugh all in that short amount of time is epic

[@tupaclives5848]

The thing that made R and morty a good show imo was the endless possibilities. Anything was possible in the land of Rick and morty. And the funny jokes of course.

[@aredpandahREAL]

There is a universe in Rick and Morty where it has gold comedy writing

[@tupaclives5848]

The funniest shit to me is the improvised moments in the cable episodes. Those were brilliant. Personal Space and fake doors and stealy...and eyehole man.

[@iantaran2843]

Pickle Rick is the episode that made me start to dislike the series. The fact that a writer self inserted herself to be the one person to "own" rick. Is some of the most shameful content I've ever witnessed.

[@Patrick-ud3vu]

I binged watch Rick and Morty for the first time about 3-4 months. All first 3 seasons I laughed in every episode. Seasons 4 & 5 zero laughs and was actually getting annoyed watching the snow. It was such a surreal change in the show!

[@Anonymous_Aussie]

The Virgin Rick and Morty vs. The Chad Xavier: Renegade Angel

[@robbycooper6787]

I either see the show getting better slowly or getting worse next season

[@shaitet]

Season 5 finale was genuinely good unlike the last two. Maybe it will get better, but in the mean time I ain't holding my breath.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

Seasons 1-3 were the real seasons. By season 4 they were slipping. And season 5 only proceeded to go further down the unwanted side of things.

[@commonsense5199]

Yeah I Dropped Rick and Morty after finishing season 3. Seem I didn't miss out much, except I heard the Planetina episode was good. I found peace by watching *Solar Opposites,* did a better job of writing episodic episodes.

[@stephenaspliff3763]

I kinda agree with them hating their fans. They were so cringe when pickle Rick came out and the sauce in McDonald’s lmao

[@thenerveofthatguy]

so real man, me personally at the back of my mind everytime i watch rick and morty is the thought "you're watching millenial humour." and that thought is heavily influenced by the fucking pickle rick joke and the losers alongside it, it's insufferable. pickle rick is cool until unfunny people took over it (btw nothing i say in this comment is aggressive, clearing that up because people never get me and i mean that in an autistic way rather than an edgelord teenage way)

[@pestilenssi8979]

I'm truly disturbed by the amount of incest in this show that I paid no mind until the controversy

[@rivencleftofstars4592]

Rick and Morty is over.

[@fortheloveofgodlaugh2981]

I've never seen a series with such bitter contempt for its' fans

[@Flammewar]

I think they are just annoyed by the obnoxious fans which R&M definitely has.

[@cawsomeaolin]

Everybody gangsta til the commentator’s animated persona crosses their arms

[@clintbeastwood5116]

And just like that, you have Jay more credit than Hasan did.

[@jocool47]

First 2 seasons are supreme, 3rd season was still great. But now it’s not even the same show. Such different vibe

[@FrantiC119]

It is different now, but I don't think season 6 has been bad at all. Season 5 was legitimately bad. Not just "bad for a good show", but actually bad except for maybe the first episode, which wasn't incredible, but decent. A lot of people think South Park waned and then came back, but I think it's dropped significantly in quality as time has gone on. It's just not Simpsons lumbering abomination level bad. I wanted to turn most of the episodes from season 5 off the first time I watched them, didn't rewatch any of them until season 6 thinking I might have misjudged, went back and wanted to vomit trying to watch them again. Season 6 I've already rewatched a couple of episodes because I legitimately enjoyed them that much.

[@MalcolmCooks]

there's a better universe somewhere were rick and morty got cancelled after 2 seasons, and like 5-7 years down the line after constant fan pressure, we get a one-off movie-length special that resolves the season 2 cliffhanger and wraps up the character development shown over the first 2 seasons instead of reversing it.

[@veracityhiphop]

I think the issues with shows in general is they have a time limit so to speak. Rick and Morty had a very wild style of writing that felt very different when it’s first season dropped. After the years and the constant analyzing you pick up on the writing style. It’s not that the writing has gotten worse so to speak, but writing patterns within the confines of the shows universe become easier to spot. A bat shit situation isn’t surprising when you expect bat shit. At a certain point it’s time to put down the pen and let things come to a close. Which might be coming considering they have started showing a back story which they said they would never do. Great works are typically shorter, things like Cowboy Bebop and Breaking Bad come to mind in that regard. Thinking about it, South Park my be the only satirical show that is the outlier. However IMO that’s mainly due to how quick they can produce an episode and be in current events. What animated show has completed an episode from creation to air in roughly 6 days besides them? Anyways my point is animation is hard, and they accomplished a lot with the show. I hope they bring closure with a final season and end on a high note. Things can be around too long, look at the Simpsons and Family Guy.

[@popodood]

Season 6 ep 1 is pretty good. It's more into story now, it's not shockingly hilarious like the first few seasons. I wish I could rewatch the fist 2 seasons of Rick and morty for the first time again.

[@zeecapeta]

Dude that fucking dinosaur episode... wtf was that...

[@topherleon]

honestly LOVE your information but i lasted 9:32 minutes before i couldn't take the loud sounds anymore (thats what my ex said LOL). ur awesome tho, keep up the great work!

[@gregzotter6189]

Between the delays, fucked-up asshole creators and toxic fans, I'm glad I called it quits with this series.

[@hexagone6802]

It feels like Rick and Morty is suffering from “the Steven Universe” problem. Where the creator makes lore drops, and an interesting story: only to fuck it over with not wanting to deliver on what they set up.

[@Winasaurus]

I don't know how writers still haven't picked up the difference between reference humor and just references. One is a joke in and of itself that ALSO references something. The other is JUST a reference. Saying "I'm like inspector gadget" isn't a joke, you have to have seen inspector gadget to even understand the line. "Go go sanchez ski shoes" is a reference to the same thing, but even if you've never seen inspector gadget before, the concept can still be funny. I feel like this is super common knowledge by now, but writers just keep doing it. I guess because all the mouthbreather fans will cheer for the reference even if it isn't funny.

[@SourRobo8364]

I just got sick of how the characters were so mean to each other like they just kept hating each other for no reason.

[@djLagwayEnjoyer]

Basically turned into family guy, like how family guy they would jab eachother but at the end of the day they were a family who still loved eachother. Now it’s just everyone hates everyone and life sucks.

[@CMBGAMER2018TV]

​@@djLagwayEnjoyerin my opinion, the only thing Rick and Morty related that gave me family Guy vibes was the season 7 premiere

[@Kori888_cc]

@@djLagwayEnjoyerimo Family Guy is better because they never took themselves seriously, Rick and Morty tries to make their family relationship plot deep and meaningful

[@G_Matto_shorts]

That's how the society works

[@Gyoubumasatakaoniwa]

@@Kori888_ccthat’s not entirely true, watch some of the earlier seasons, some plots were taken seriously

[@arempy5836]

Rick and Morty was too good, too fast and was given an unbearable amount of expectations to live up too. It grew self conscious, self serious and self loathing. It now oscillates between pandering to watchers and actively antagonizing them, spiteful over how much appealing to them still matters to it. It's a gifted kid burnout.

[@ArchiverUnknown]

sounds like me but without the first sentence.

[@TheScreamingFedora]

Pack it up, this is the best analysis.

[@dhaqabk4022]

@@ArchiverUnknown same buddy, same.

[@tdk97]

This comment pretty much summed it all up beautifully. Makes the hour long video obsolete.

[@DEAD-V1U]

Arempy58@ Hit the #micdrop You nailed it Goddamn!

[@omolon_adaptive_frame3989]

I really liked S1E1's Rick. He looked like he wasn't in control half of the time and that added tension because you wouldn't automatically assume he'd win. The scene when Morty's freaking out and Rick is just standing there with drool coming out of his mouth to me is still the funniest in the show.

[@bandolierboy1908]

For real. This show had a feeling of a 14 year old boy and his grandpa going on scientific adventures to a godlike all knowing grandpa taking the reins on every “adventure” him and morty have.

[@dingdongmus]

Right? Like when their reality all got cronenberged so they had to find another one. Now rick can just magically fix everything

[@gojizard704]

Yea that was untill he started be a nihilistic douchebag to everyone around him

[@helygg8892]

@@dingdongmus yeah he magically fixed it so well he just gave up on how well he fixed it and went to a new universe cuz he was scared of how he totally didnt ruin his reality and have to find a new one

[@pseudoplotinus]

I think it was because Rick was drunk for most of that episode, that's why he behaved so weirdly.

[@tototakto4611]

The sperm episode was easily the worst thing in history of animated shows, truly a disgrace, shame on the creators.

[@dratinibrah]

They could've made it better if the fucking incest baby wasn't created

[@jorgeserna8411]

Either they have a gross episode like that, or a confusing one like the anthology train trying to show how deep/smart they are. I thought it was just me who had to watch it a couple times to get it, but no there's an entire reddit thread about it.

[@discordalternateaccount]

What was wrong with it

[@TRVLEXU]

​@@discordalternateaccountthey literally had a giant incest baby. Morty and Summer canonicaly have a child together-

[@iantaran2843]

Panty & Stockings did it better

[@paulberstler1431]

Gravity Falls completely schools Rick and Morty on how to mix serialized episodes with self contained adventures.

[@chanafool]

@@lxxj1178 I mean he isn’t wrong

[@kaylaisnothere4397]

@@lxxj1178 The show slaps wym

[@nailinthefashion]

Amphibia is up there for me too

[@Drizzit57]

A show so good I’ve never heard of it😂

[@sibernout7717]

@@Drizzit57 how-

[@JustStop]

I am heartbroken

[@deezwaffles6678]

Who?

[@WSendam]

Thats ROugh BUDdy

[@lilo19951995]

*shrimp voice* i am ‘artbroken

[@mcjcave18]

You made an awesome rick and morty video too.

[@katlyndobransky2419]

I read this in the shrimp’s voice

[@hrobbins2000]

I miss the Rick and Morty that were fleshed out in season one. Rick, being smart but not too bright, trying to connect with his grandson, but tripping over himself. It left lots of room for fun scenarios, character development, and actual risk. I hate how the character arcs all just end in "they're a stoic badass" by the end of the episode. Now everyone is "badass and cynical" and there's no charm.

[@InfernosReaper]

All the characters now have 2 modes, "badass cynic" and "flanderized version of their worst traits from previous seasons were" while the series is trying too hard to be edgy and contrarian

[@Jordan-ok4yb]

I just been rewatching seasons 1-3, I hated the fan base at the time but the show was just too good, miss those days. And to be fair, even with all the character arcs in the recent seasons, I feel like if they brought out episodes a little more frequently and with not as long of a break between seasons, the audience wouldn’t hold them accountable for a couple bad episodes, but because we only get like 10 episodes then wait for 2 years, all we can remember is how ass it was 2 years ago and forget about all the great stuff about the show.

[@CJT49]

Wow the counterculture really has shifted from boasting about how smart the show was to complaining about how much worse it’s is compared to its glory days. Show is fine.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@CJT49 it really isn't. Half the latest season was episodes that all ended with me thinking to myself "I can skip those whenever I get around to rewatching the series" Also, pretty sure pointing out that a show's not as good as it used to be isn't "counterculture" or "being contrarian" It's pretty much the norm for shows to decline, especially as the original creative force either gets burned out, spread themselves thin with other projects, gives too much control to new writers, and/or suffers too much studio interference.

[@CJT49]

@@InfernosReaper it's not that you are pointing out it's bad, it's the fact the show started getting very mainstream, and we are seeing an influx of these "show fell off" videos, with some extremely nitpicky and unnecessary complaints. Yes the newest season had some of the worst episodes, but they also had some of their best. They might be inconsistent with how good their episodes are. But I guess it's just easier to say the whole season is bad instead of just a few particular episodes. One could point out just as many problems with the earlier seasons, but I guess it's more about complaining for the sake of bias at this point.

[@Match25]

You can tell the creators hated how successful their show got

[@Margen67]

Owls need HUGS

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

Rick and Morty has put out so much terrible merchandise over the years that's all over the place. It's one of the most consumerism obsessed shows I've ever seen.

[@bertbargo7162]

IM... IM... IM CONSOOOOOOOOOOOMIIIIIINGGGGGG!

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

And its audende defines itself by the show.

[@eatatjoes6751]

It's goddamn ironic that the more merchandise and product placement-ier the show got the worse the quality became. Fuck, the merchandise went from "hey, I could wear/own this in my home," to "I wouldn't want this ten feet near my house." Hell, even the commercials went from "We're a promo commercial," to "DING DING DING HEY LOOK WE'RE PRINGLES AND WE'RE ROBOTS DESIGNED TO SELL CHIPS..." and it just gave me a goddamn migraine after a while.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@eatatjoes6751 Nah. it is almost natural.

[@icecreamhero2375]

What about the Simpsons? I would also say what about SpongeBob but Stephen Hillenburg thought the merchandising was a bit tedious.

[@prtyproductive]

I’m so baffled by the inconsistency of this show. Like how can the same team write that god awful dragon episode or the sperm shit and then turn around and write the Vat of Acid episode.

[@fivestarman1291]

I actually thought the Vat of Acid episode is just as bad as those other two. It's a half-written episode with a manipulative emotional scene fooling you into thinking they're developing Morty's character when it's really just leading up to a flat joke about Rick always being right.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@fivestarman1291 i dont care what you say, that was the best joke about returning to the status quo when jerry hits the button and resets morty's life and morty keeps trying to get back that happiness

[@bretginn1419]

@@fivestarman1291 Honestly, same. Vat of Acid is what made me give up hope for Rick and Morty, because it wants you to think it's being clever, and then nope, status quo.

[@andreafraustoz]

Season 5 was doomed when Mr. Nimbus just there to mock Rick

[@mikemorro140]

@@andreafraustoz I don't think that was the point

[@ziggygunz2447]

I get the feeling that Dan Harmon's ability to self sabotage is on full display with Rick and Morty and is intentionally, whether consciously or subconsciously, trying to drive the show into the ground because he's either tired of doing it or afraid of the success

[@lynnwinters5387]

Idk man, I feel like Dan 100% would leave if he didn’t like wiring the show anymore. It seems like he just let this all get to his head and is blowing it

[@ziggygunz2447]

@@lynnwinters5387 Idk have you ever listened to his podcasts he's not exactly the most confident or least neurotic person in the room lol but I could also see him walking away just for the chaos lol so maybe you're right

[@ArchibaldClumpy]

​@@ziggygunz2447 He's a mix of neurotically insecure and megalomaniac which I think explains some of the tonal inconsistency and the show's relationship to episodic storytelling. The quality inconsistency has a lot to do with Justin being completely checked out and Dan taking less time to hammer out and perfect episodes so they can deliver seasons on time and people can go home at 5.

[@ziggygunz2447]

@@ArchibaldClumpy yeah that sounds about right. Also I can't tell if Justin being forced out and replaced is going to end up being good or bad for the future of the show. It seemed like it had been in a death spiral with occasional opportunities to pull out but now we've got an X-factor to deal with and makes it even harder to predict. Maybe with some luck whoever takes over his voices ends up being a positive force that helps get things back on track but at the moment it's anyone's guess as to what will end up happening moving forward.

[@ArchibaldClumpy]

@@ziggygunz2447 It's a hard thing to say for sure. If it's true that Justin was checked out then it will just be the matter of a new voice actor, but clearly when he wasn't checked out he contributed some really good moments that didn't fit Dan's more regimented approach. The Nintendo DS interlude in the parasite episode is apparently something he had to fight Dan for 😂.

[@nemesisa-type6721]

I think ricks backstory should’ve never been 100% revealed. I found it more interesting to get breadcrumbs and tidbits in dialogue throughout the seasons. Usually the imagination built from ambiguity is better than the actual answers.

[@rejvaik00]

And when it was revealed it should not have been revealed in a 55 second flashback that was a real dumb way of revealing the backstory And they even threw in a 4th wall joke that insulted their audience immediately after the flashback was over

[@knuckle12356]

Wonder if Harmon went back to slamming the sauce... 🤷‍♂️ looking back on his body of work he has historically afforded his audience plenty of faith in their ability to navigate the story without much/any hand holding or pandering. We've all got a certain number of stories in us, I suppose...

[@underwirez]

technically speaking, it's not really 100% revealed. just him losing his wife and daughter and how he reacted to their deaths.

[@Nitzah]

I suppose that’s the risk in dropping a backstory - in the sense that sometimes it’ll ruin a lot of investment and that insatiable feeling of chasing and theorizing many of us get invested in. So once the mystique is gone, unless what you’ve presented can actually stand on its own or have a greater weight or keep the momentum, it’ll feel lesser than by comparison

[@csaw200]

The old Tell Don't Show adage was definitely better for the show. Letting the Fans come to their own conclusions, But now it's Cannon I Guess

[@thejabberwocky9620]

This shows quality is 100% dependent on Harmons mood. This is well documented that whenever he has a political or drug fueled meltdown, he just uses the show to vent. And it creates....well, yeah

[@boyoftrick_9084]

Removing half of the original staff and hiring less experinced just for the sake of diversity could also be a reason of the decline.

[@dorothyscott2536]

Did they really?

[@cospoon7880]

@@dorothyscott2536 yes they did

[@dantederi5062]

Harmon's a dick, who thinks he's above everyone else

[@KaijuDino]

Bruh he literally has a Kiwi Farms thread, at this point he's a full blown celebrity-cow.

[@AnaGarcia-ld5lf]

They could have done a lot of things with this series: explore the idea of Evil Morty and its possible connection to the smartest Rick in the universe, the psychological evolution of the characters, what really happened to Rick's wife... And they decided to focus on the grotesque and easy jokes they sell... Too much untapped potential

[@goawayplease6456]

They could make a whole show of just young rick

[@jamesandrews8698]

Couldnt have said it better. Im surprised he never mentioned the gap between se 3 y 4 thats when they lost me what was it two years or more? Also i wanted toa see evil morty, they teased an arc but didnt have the balls or ability to make it happen. Ty.

[@goawayplease6456]

@@jamesandrews8698 they made an evil morty arc tho

[@frosty_storm]

@@jamesandrews8698evil Morty being ricks original Morty was the best writing the fans ever came up with, then the show just ruined it

[@The_Evilman47]

The problem is that it got flandered, it wasn't just the characters or the comedy EVERYTHING the whole show itself got so flandered it became a shell of its former self. Really great editing btw.

[@LunaMinuna]

Get it guys???? Jerry is a terrible father and a piece of shit. Now laugh as everyone makes fun of him. So funny.

[@jinxthatsme2317]

@@LunaMinuna I hate what they’ve done with Jerry’s character. He used to be a somewhat dimwitted yet good guy that was insecure about his place in the universe. He cared for Morty and Summer’s well-being and hated how much Rick tried to manipulate them into joining him on dangerous misadventures. And he used to be one of the few characters in the show that actually stood up to Rick despite his concerns being drowned out by deaf ears. In the season 2 finale, he was also the one person that managed to get through to Rick which is what caused him to turn himself into the government in order to ensure the safety of Jerry, Beth, Morty, and Summer. Yet season 3 (like the video pointed out) completely ignores this and reverts everyone back to worse versions of their former selves, only with little to no redeeming qualities.

[@rommix0]

You mean flanderized. Every show gets there eventually.

[@_V.Va_]

@@rommix0 Not if the creator is smart enough to know when to stop.

[@_V.Va_]

@@TheStreamThatJakeBuilt No.

[@teeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

It does require a high degree of intelligence to so eloquently capture the deeply woven intricacies of Richard and Mortimer

[@0_opeace766]

Calm down

[@griffin7633]

Eugh

[@cidfacetious3722]

I don’t know what’s worse. The show or the fans

[@cidfacetious3722]

Or Harmon can’t stand that guy

[@jadjason6053]

Ok Richard and Mortimer killed me 😂

[@RogueFox2185]

Rick and Morty was a fun show in the earlier seasons before they lost the plot after S3, nowadays it’s utterly mediocre unless Morty is the one getting actual character development.

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

Which is sad for a show called “Rick AND Morty”

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Well. That happens when things get touched by wokeness. Dan Harmon and his diversity hires ruined it.

[@CombatSportsNerd]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Yeah sure let’s blame all of it on that instead of the fact that most of the writers on this show forgot what made their show good in the first place

[@sidneywade2454]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo ah yes, blaming "wokeness" and "diversity hires" for the main problem with rick and morty's writing despite the real problem being the writers' ego and confusion over whether they want the show to be episodic or serialized. great way to lead into discussion, i'm sure of it. 😑

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@sidneywade2454 Implying wokeness is not the source of those problems.

[@Chickidydow]

The Harmon cycle strikes again: Be clean and focused, make good show, start doing lots of drugs and alcohol, bipolar disorder flares up, become less involved in show, do dumb controversial things, writing staff sucks, makes the show suck, hate self even more, do even more drugs and alcohol, death spiral to rock bottom, start over again with a new show.

[@galaxyghost1340]

Damn, I always felt like Harmons flaws got in the way of his shows, but I didn’t realize it was this bad

[@ciara7172]

This is actually tragic

[@Chickidydow]

@@ciara7172 it might be if Dan Harmon wasn't a disgusting person, inside and out

[@parissinclair6513]

I think comparing season 1's Raising Gazorpazorp (sex robot episode) and season 5's horse semen episode is a really good way to see just how far the show has declined and in what ways. The two episodes have fairly similar concepts and "gross-out" factors regarding pubescent boys, and yet the difference in quality is pretty stark.

[@noreplyivebeencensoredbyyo5546]

f3m4le writers... All the worst rated episodes are written by vv0m3n.

[@taraestelleadelizzi9975]

Genius connection to compare, love it

[@TheReflecter]

The biggest issue with season 5 I noticed is how they make almost every episode into some big theatrical plot. If they just kept it simpler and made more organic episodes like the tiny Rick episode fans would appreciate it more.

[@darklordixor]

Sperm or Mutated Turkeys is not a big theatrical plot; its grasping at straws to fill content in an episode; quality be damned.

[@lawgx9819]

>makes a compelling plot with deep characters >makes fun of people who are invested to the story gee i wonder why people hate this show

[@joshuafischer684]

It's irony poisoning seeping in to everything. "Wow dude you actually CARE about something? What a LOSER." Also, Roiland is a p3do

[@eatatjoes6751]

I think what happened to Rick and Morty is that its own popularity caught the fuck up with it and everyone is spouting that nilhilistic shit now so its impact isn't seen as special anymore and they're absolutely schizophrenic about it. That, and how you feel about Rick and Morty's decline is how I felt regarding the CW's attempt to drag the Powerpuff Girls back from the grave and how I currently feel regarding Hulu's Futurama graverobbing.

[@pitsahat2]

What's that about Futurama? Are they making another season?

[@rexventura4603]

@@pitsahat2 yes… and John DiMaggio may not return due to contract disputes. Edit: Good News Everyone, John’s coming back

[@eatatjoes6751]

@@pitsahat2 They're making another season.

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

@@eatatjoes6751 WHY?! The ending was perfect! It's a perfect loop, it's so bittersweet and amazing, why are they doing that?!

[@mauriceisaac3646]

@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 Take a gue$$.

[@hatchmaster_5745]

Imagine if Goku always had the dragon balls, and just decided to use them arbitrarily depending on the episode. That's how little weight and tension this show has anymore

[@calebgadison167]

Well to be fair, dbs lacks weight and tension.

[@itspienoon7883]

I don't think it's fair to compare the Dragon Ball franchise with tension, it's pretty slow paced compared to Rick and Morty, but at least it works in its favour.

[@A.S._Trunks]

@@calebgadison167 That's the point lol

[@alihorda]

it never had any tension or direction tho. just a fun ride for random bullshit

[@itsahostiletakeover]

Was the show ever intended to have weight or tension? I never felt it from day one but maybe that's just me.

[@ideletemyelf1585]

The entire problem with Rick & Morty is Dan Harmon... what's happened to Rick & Morty is the same thing that happened to literally all the shows Dan Harmon created & more importantly wrote for. He loses interest somewhere around the 3rd season. Period. End of story.

[@skoski-s5g]

It really is a shame how far the shows gone down the deep end. It’s a show that I loved for its humor and unique ideas but for it to become the antithesis of it is sad

[@Goremejy]

A good part of what made the show fail imo is how many episodes simply devolved into “hey you know this cool thing people like? Well I’m going to spend 30 minutes talking down to you about why I think that thing is utterly stupid trash and how this show is so smart”

[@Kenfren]

It's Daria as the entire show, but way worse...

[@shewow8612]

@King Henry V Daria's cynicism wasn't meant to be aspirational. Everyone around her was a counterpoint to her sarcasm and lack of social skills. In fact, her cynicism was regularly cited as a negative quality. At the same time she was smart, empathetic and grew through the series to appreciate those around her as she matured. In other words, she was a teen, and Jane in particular was the softer edge that made the dynamic, and by extension the show, work. Her hating everything wasn't talking down to people for liking those things because she wasn't seen as "better" for not liking the same. That's why even the "bad" characters like the Fashion Club had their positive points sometimes. R&M is the opposite of that. There isn't really any growth, because the more the family is exposed to Rick and his world, the more jaded and condescending they become. They adjust to a universe where they are only out for themselves. Summer might be the best example of that mentality. And it is presented as a good thing in a way because that makes them smarter and more capable, with the ability to live on as each new reality falls without consequence to the core family. It is Daria if Daria's cynical assholishness was celebrated. Only ironically, in a way that pointed to the viewer and sneered.

[@Mrhellslayerz]

I think the story train episode is the perfect example of this. I've never seen an episode shit on the media pushing hard for their agendas, while also standing on a soapbox disguised as a casual rant about whatever the writers hate. Hell, there isn't even an attempt for smart criticism either. Don't bother making a distinction between bad implementation and bad writing, Just make summer and beth shoot crotch lasers and default the bible as the worst written book ever solely based on the fact that you're atheist. Wasn't the title of "Reddit Mod" something we all wanted to avoid?

[@KaijuDino]

I'm not even a Marvel fan but Holy Christ FUCK the Vindicators episode. Literally Harmon just using his self insert to assert a power fantasy.

[@tedtheodore5715]

kinda ironic considering some rick and morty fans are like that

[@SpellCastor]

The sperm episode killed the show for me quicker than any other episode of any other show. I can usually tolerate shock humor but this one in particular made me feel dirty just for watching it. It's a problem facing a lot of adult animation where they try to prove they are for adults by showing the crudest and vilest things and it's never funny.

[@FalseHoodx]

Sounds like you might be to young to be watching this show buddy, nothing wrong with the Sperm episode.

[@the_sky_is_blue_and_so_am_I]

@@FalseHoodx It isn't really good either

[@yourfavpersuasion9385]

@@the_sky_is_blue_and_so_am_I its not but he sounds like hes 14

[@LeoMkII]

You made me think about panty and stocking, that also features crude humor but yet it still works, maybe it's the great music or the Devil Sisters idk

[@AamuAurora]

@@FalseHoodx aren't young teenagers the biggest fans of such topics? Adult shows expand in many different directions since boobs and sperm on the screen aren't embarrassing for a "relatively mature" person. I guess, for "adults", it's much more shocking to see a show that honestly portrays issues of toxic dynamics of people unable to maintain relationships, substance abuse, awkward sex and dysfunctional families; to see our secrets and failures applied on other characters presented from cruelly direct perspective. It's nothing anyone is proud of and everyone keeps it to themselves. People know about reproductive organs since young age - everyone learns at different pace but it doesn't take 18 years for teenager to know about bodily fluids. This kind of humour on TV has shocking value to teenagers since they haven't seen anything like that on Bob the Builder. It takes special talent to write such jokes that work and have some substance behind them. Being disgusted by sperm episode, doesn't mean that a person is too innocent; it's just a preference. Especially, if they sat to watch R&M, not Family Guy. Spermgate is not about creators crossing the line and being too graphic. People are just disappointed in them for loosing touch with the show and see their attempt in primitive absurdity as a failure.

[@mistermack4987]

Dick and Shorty should be commended for mirroring the rise and fall of The Simpsons in less than a third of the time

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

"I turned our show into shit Morty!"

[@williamkim8826]

“I’m shitty Riiiiick!”

[@ryanjones6384]

Cringiest shit I ever saw.

[@bandolierboy1908]

😂😂

[@chiefgarvey11]

I think the 70 episode order also contributed to decline in quality. Before if the ratings were good enough, they'd get renewed one season at a time. Now that they're greenlit until Episode 101 the incentive isn't there because there's no threat of cancellation.

[@ejm1225]

Is it possible for [adult swim] to reverse a renewal for the show's 90 future episodes (70 right now)?

[@YoMamasLlama22]

I can’t imagine what episodes 90-101 are gonna look like

[@sarawawa8984]

The show never had enough heart imo, it shied away so hard from any moment of sincerity or softness and personally I think that was a major weakness

[@chocobun196]

@@darklordixor Dawg what

[@sarawawa8984]

@@darklordixor mustard

[@Jray181818]

The first two seasons had a lot of heart. Everything after made this whole point of saying “nothing matters” which is when things started going downhill and the heart was lost.

[@starguy1o163]

Virgin Rick and Morty: LIFE IS MEANINGLESS Chad Smiling Friends: Life may suck now, but theres hope it can change

[@edyoah9023]

Smiling Friends is the best show 🔥🔥🗣️😁

[@superfzzbigmuff7375]

I really really hope the writers can get it together. I think the show could still be saved, but I’ll always be sad about the letdown that was the squandered potential of the season 2 finale

[@bunnygamer8563]

Sadly writers got changed around which created a lot of issues

[@superfzzbigmuff7375]

Doesn’t mean that the new writers can’t learn

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202]

@@superfzzbigmuff7375 even if you learn someone else’s work it’ll never be the same. That feel of the first two seasons was made by the original writers and show runners, once they left it was never gonna be the same

[@noobplicity9861]

season 6 episode 1 gives me hope

[@LoD619]

@@noobplicity9861 How do you feel now after the 3rd episode?

[@captainbirch2.079]

The main problem is that they seem to hate their fans. First, portraying fans that don't like serialization as Nazis, then mocking fans that like serialization in continuity train. So, who is the show for? Fans of serialized episodes or fans of non serialized episodes?

[@iantaakalla8180]

I guess it’s for fans who can easily shit on both sides?

[@AstralProjectress]

Who knows

[@nicak777alex9]

A big problem with me is that some of the jokes fall flat because the show creators are pretty pedantic and political but not in a funny way. For example, this is their own public opinions btw, they think it's funny how Jerry becomes good at survival because he is homeless, and for them survival in the wilderness is the same as being homeless .... no they weren't joking. Did someone found the feminist jokes in the horse sperm episode funny ? Because I didn't. I pretty much never saw someone dismissing a women's opinion just because they are women. And it's so dumb when some of the most powerful figures in history have been women. Then, in the last episode of seaon five, the creators went on a rant in the credits about how the whole episode was a critique of capitalism and how all the system needs to be left behind ( luckily the episode kind of works without the dumb analogy because the analogy fails completely ). The fun thing is, nothing is stopping anyone from leaving capitalism behind. Anyone can found a city through voluntary work and have a public ownership of the means of production. No one does it because it always fails.

[@Alec0124]

@@nicak777alex9 i could do without the political bias. have had enough. everything is woke crap.

[@jameshall9654]

Reading most of the comments on this video, if they did hate their fans it’s easy to understand why.

[@janitorialjargon2411]

I think that letting the smith family get use to ricks crazy life was part of the down fall also. It was great how the family didnt know how to handle alien invasions and they used what they had to defend themselves from ricks madness. Now they're just used to it. It's to the point where they are fully aware of ricks modifications on the house, they know how to operate his ship, and they're not phased whenever an alien enters the house. I personally liked watching the family not know how to use ricks inventions and cause problems for themselves.

[@InfernosReaper]

At some point, people do adapt to things. The problem is the way the adjustment goes too far into blasé reactions that make everything feel too trivial

[@athrowawayperson9990]

I actually like it way more when others figure it out and become knowledgeable alongside the person in the know.

[@owenleal]

It would not make sense if after 5 seasons the rest of the family did not learn to adjust at all to Rick's behaviour.

[@hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-Mikel.Montalat]

Bad comment.

[@sasukesbussy7101]

Rick and Morty just became the most unlikeable versions of themselves as possible. And their bond became next to nonexistent. It’s like they don’t even like each other anymore. They hardly even had any screentime together in s5. Their bond was the whole bread and butter of the show.

[@JustStop19]

One of the writers, that came in the third season, was a lead writer for she-hulk. That's all you need to know.

[@collinkeyser6827]

No Way.

[@JustStop19]

@@collinkeyser6827 yeah, unfortunately.

[@kiroshow]

It's a shame, really. Rick and Morty had lightning in a bottle and they turned it into a fart in a jar.

[@capertillar4634]

martin?

[@kiroshow]

What? (My name isn't Martin)

[@Mordeczka1234]

@@kiroshow Cyanide & Happiness' Martin, known as "Fart in a jar Martin"

[@kiroshow]

OH

[@FalseHoodx]

Not even close, people are overreacting lmao the show is fine lol

[@blake2521]

Robot chicken’s back hurts for being the only adult swim long running show that has sustained its quality from its run

[@The_Beefcake_Cometh]

There's also south park

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

Robot Chicken is a pretty dumb show in my opinion. Though I think a majority of Adult Swim is super dumb.

[@ProxiProtogen]

@@WeegeeSlayer123 dumb yet fun is better than dumb and suffering

[@SprigPlantar8934]

What about Regular Show? It had 8 seasons and I never seen a person here in KZbin saying that Regular Show has suffered seasonal rot. Edit (01/03/2021): Sorry for my mistake for saying that Regular Show is an Adult Swim show When I made this comment, I just wanted to say a show that had many seasons that has not suffered seasonal rot and i didn't pay attention when the original comment said "Adult Swim show". Sorry for my mistake.

[@mr.mlaststandsite813]

Since robot chicken is a complete joke the show could’ve been canceled late 2000s in but decided to continue on to this very day *god I hate this show*

[@colbykillian]

I know this is unrelated, but I’d like to point out that your editing and your humor has evolved GREATLY since the last time I watched one of your videos. This video is genuinely funny and I enjoyed it :D Unsubscribed.

[@ProGamer-lk9qw]

wait unsubcribed? lmao

[@Majik53]

You sound like a Rudy Ayoub fan.

[@misteruniverse7750]

Lol the editing was annoying to me. To each their own I guess. The video was great though. Homie had some really good points

[@vufushoe]

its just meme references and self deprecation

[@Bassmasterwitacaster]

I'd do me

[@Aaron-xo7px]

I remember seeing Elon tusk and thinking ok it’s over

[@Gafferman]

Why? The show has always been referential

[@sprsw]

its joever

[@xmegami5511]

If you want an Adult Swim show which starts off with episodic writing, moves into a serialized storyline, and keeps up a near consistent high quality of writing, may I suggest The Venture Bros? My only warning is that it's a bit of a slowburn, but besides that it's truly fantastic.

[@eatatjoes6751]

The Venture Bros. was a goddamn great show.

[@hilaryc8648]

Venture Bros was arguably the best show put out by Adult Swim and often imitated. Including, in part, by R&M.

[@EeleyeDD]

Definitely this. Venture bros would be a breath of fresh air for Cartoonshi after this

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Why was the Venture Bros cancelled?

[@elmono6299]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 good news is that they are making an animated feature film that will be a follow-up to season 7.

[@kingbash6466]

I’m not even against poking fun at serialization in cartoons, since I believe a lot of cartoons in the 2010s-2020s have been obsessed with following the template left by GF and SU, but the way Rick & Morty does it comes off as overly bitter and obnoxiously tryhard.

[@josesosa3337]

Examples of rick and morty being bitter at serialization please? Just want to know more.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@josesosa3337 they mean the poking fun at the viewer whenever over arching stories and themes pop up like the story train episode, watch that and you will understand why people think rick and morty hates serialization

[@vallaby2042]

@@josesosa3337 does the line "she wants to serialized" ring a bell?

[@josesosa3337]

@@vallaby2042 I saw this comment as i started watching the video and i wasn't sure if the youtuber was gonna bring it up.

[@frostlord8485]

What GF and SU?

[@dayjubfrr]

I think one of the biggest problems was just they never carried anything between episodes. Once they threw in their required 1 plot sustaining episode a season, they never mentioned any consequences or chances that happened. It just went back to the same dynamic that was just broken minutes before. They also simply didn't think shit through. Many instances showed the writers just forgot what they had previously said.

[@Thesilliestsillyman]

I could be wrong since i haven't watched season 6, but i SWEAR Rick said earlier in the episode where he's interrogated by the galactic federation that he MADE UP THE BACKSTORY PLOT!!!! But now it was actually what happened????? It honestly pissed me off a bit because i personally value story over most things and ive honestly just given up on the show Mostly. Im keeping my rick and morty blanket though. Also just heard the part in the video where he says this same point lol.

[@charley6554]

moral orel ran so rigormortis could crawl across the floor and cry. actually believable family conflicts, really good over arching storyline, psychological nuance and amazing commentary on modern christianity that doesn’t alienate actual christians. not to mention its hilarious. watch moral orel thanks for coming to my ted talk

[@maddymooo]

I've never laughed and cried so much while watching a show. It's great.

[@theclowntoon]

So true watch morel orel

[@heartshapedbox]

i came here looking for this comment. 100%

[@haroldasusus4684]

Even orel’s well intentioned boy commits atrocities schtik is better

[@BFPerry220]

I hated the name and characters in Moral Oral. Shit animation as well. Just my opinion. Have a good time watching it, ill try it again but make it a point to focus on the characters development rather than the flaws.

[@cordyceps7531]

I’m surprised how to this day I can still get so much enjoyment out of the first two seasons, even catching details and jokes I never saw before. I cannot say the same about season’s three to five which have about 5 episodes in total I genuinely love.

[@osickuwu5868]

I’m glad cartoonshi has exposed the people here to a serious problem craids and I hope that his family can recover from the craids

[@ejm1225]

What's craids? Nevermind, found the definition, currently doing the ROFLcopter.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Tbh as much as I get the criticism about the therapist I just fucking love Rick being taken down a pet. It’s absolutely cathartic for me to see this character get played off as a God more often then not get absolutely called out for what he is A small, cynical man who hides being cosmic absurdism to not have to acknowledge his own gaping limitations

[@Verasoul]

Peg. It's "taken down a peg."

[@ItsButterBean1020]

@@Verasoul I know; autocorrect

[@Crashgen]

I agree, people argue it's hand holding for the therapist part but without it the construction of the ending would kind of fall flat on its feet. If anything I liked it because then it showed the characters how to develop and move on but then they just throw it the fuck away and it pissed me off. Rick and Morty had really cool ideas and concepts through season 1 and 2 and now they just throw it the fuck out later on and it's boring.

[@oofiomcscoofio5516]

@@Verasoul this person was trying to share his opinion and made a mistake, and you ignored everything he was saying just to point it out to be a jerk. He didn’t even get mad. Don’t take people like that for granite.

[@margotpreston]

Also, who hides behind, not who hides being.

[@joadarium9605]

Rick and Morty *WAS* good with its first 3 seasons but it just…overstayed it’s welcome and became way too annoyingly nihilistic, cynical, and meta which makes Smiling Friends all the more of a superior fresh breath of air

[@eatatjoes6751]

Richard and Mortimer was good with the first three seasons, yeah, but I'd say watching Odd Taxi is a breath of fresh air.

[@kyleellis1825]

Would have been better if they moved to smaller segments that aren't conected(robot chicken style), switched between radically different Ricks/Morties each episode, or actually followed the plot consistantly.

[@frenchp5435]

@@kyleellis1825 so you're saying it would've been better if every episode was Interdimensional Cable, or if the writers actually gave a shit

[@DEAD-V1U]

FINALLY somebody said it!!!

[@murkywaters5502]

Season 3 was awful, and I'm surprised that it took people longer to realize that the show was declining in quality.

[@terrinils3165]

I believe the creators got spooked by their own fanbase and tried to reign things in, but only ended up watering down and censoring themselves. They sold themselves out.

[@endeavourlewis3994]

With the show establishing Rick's relationship with Beth being abusive and neglectful only for them to essentially reveal that the Rick we follow wasn't responsible for any of it because his real kid died I was so infuriated. It would have been more compelling if Rick did have some responsibility in the death of his wife and kid because it would fit with his self loathing character

[@JarmamStuff]

Rick abandons the whole family except Morty in season 1. Them trying to make it out like we are supposed to care about him and Beth later on always felt tacked on

[@SaraBanartist]

Along with the fact that he's pissy about Jerry marrying Beth when it's revealed that Ricks all over manipulate Jerrys and Beths to fall in love.

[@VigilanteLulu]

Hope your muscles get better after all that hard work. Anyway, it's like EmpLemon said in his Rick & Morty video, the third season (namely a certain pickle-themed episode) just threw away a key component as to what made the first two seasons so compelling, the family dynamics of the Smith family, and instead have Susan Sarandon just outright explaining what people should interpret about the show as well as changing Rick's character motivations, making him an all-powerful god, more powerful than Haruhi goddamn Suzumiya, which isn't nearly as compelling as S1-2! Anyway, amusing and entertaining vid as always!

[@MrSpartan993]

This^

[@sonicdash9652]

Powerful than Haruhi Suzumiya? Yep, we're doomed.

[@tatsuyasuou3368]

“Haruhi godamn Suzumiya” A tasteful comparison.

[@CrimsonNineTail]

Love that you know who Haruhi Suzumiya is.

[@MoosefaceYT]

Something I noticed when watching Season 5 is that the characters reference and mention previous episodes and moments in the series way more than usual, if done at all, so that the show's world gives off the impression that those moments did indeed happen, instead of feeling like Family Guy does where each episode just happens and its world doesn't evolve from that episode, making it more self-contained. The problem in doing is that it clashes the two methods of episodic creation used in Rick & Morty where an episode is either a solo episode dedicated to being "funny goofy Rick & Morty adventure" or "this episode is one of many that when combined will create a serialized story so that our show actually has a plot". In short, Rick & Morty suffers from the TV equivalent of Ludonarrative Dissonance in video games.

[@aredpandahREAL]

Rick and Morty should at least pick where they want to do for the life span of the show BUT they may not even do that

[@Silentshadowking]

Lots of old writers left for Disney

[@Eking-su3tr]

@@Silentshadowking that's an L ngl, so Disney can release yet another trash remake that no one asked for

[@genericname2747]

Rick and Morty is like if you started listening to a rock band. The songs are great! Then, they start making some absolute bangers, and you're all like "Oh man, this band knows exactly what rock fans want to hear!" Then you go to a concert and the band plays your favourite song, but then mocks you for listening to rock instead of classical music.

[@TsuyoiOfFreedom3]

Now I'm wondering...shouldn't all the other Ricks also have resurrected through the same Project Phoenixes? Like...all the ones Rick and Evil Morty have killed on the citadel? All alive, or they should be?

[@thekittynest]

they showed that evil morty apparently redirected all the project phoenix chambers to that citadel blender where they were killed again, so i guess not

[@TsuyoiOfFreedom3]

@@thekittynest Ah. So just the one's that Rick killed in the Citadel in that season then. And Morty killed way more.

[@HK47_115]

Perhaps many of them did. At least before the episode of evil Morty redirecting their programs to blender Chambers. Maybe some of them even had their old Phoenix program destroyed or maybe it was decommissioned for me and. Ended up going through other Phoenix programs in other universe it's just like Rick did in that one episode. I can probably go on and on about the possibilities. Especially in a world with infinite universes.

[@Puddspanker]

@TsuyoiOfFreedom3 and in one episode in like season 3 or 4, can't remember. Rick mentions he axed the Phoenix program. So presumably lots of other Rick's did too. Some didn't and they got blended in season 5

[@ImmaLittlePip]

The age of Reddit and Morty is over The era of Smiling Friends has begun

[@rougecherry3744]

Unfortunatley

[@SSFhighcommandJOHN]

@@rougecherry3744 Absolutely not. Get outta here.

[@SSFhighcommandJOHN]

Based Pip

[@Nerdface.]

No, the era of Morshu has begun.

[@bunniesinatrenchcoat1809]

@@SSFhighcommandJOHN I don’t know I won’t lie, I think smiling friends is a lot like Rick and Morty, but faster paced. I would rather watch Rick and morty though…. Or I would if they did hate their audience :

[@catsareevil101]

I have heard people point out that the show started picking up new writers after season 2, and that some of those writers were given a lot of creative freedom. People not being on the same page could explain a lot of this inconsistency, as well as show they think they only need to throw crap at the wall for writing. Also it only takes one pretentious fool who thinks themselves clever with no leash to make something like "Pickle Rick" or any of the other truly awful episodes. Not sure if it's true but it would explain a lot.

[@sdbzfan1]

Weird thing is take the theropy part out all the pickle rick scenes are fun as hell

[@nyahnyahson523]

One thing I remember very distinctly, when season 3 was being shown off, was that people shat on the new writers for the issues with it. It was toxic, shitty, and a lot petty, but we got a lot of important info out of it. Namely, that most of the material in the show is created in the writer's room collaboratively. This is something that's been emphasized again and again. What I think happened was that, in the jump from season 2 to 3, the perspective of (and size of) the writing room had shifted. It wasn't a small group of writers tossing fun ideas to each other with different perspectives and ideas, it became a larger room filled with people who, while they still all had their own interpretations, now had to prove it to that many more people. I don't think this in of itself is an issue, it can lead to more varied dynamics and situations. What does make it an issue though, is if there's a power imbalance in that. If a showrunner + writer has a small group of writing partners they collab with, there's not much shame in shutting down bad ideas. If a showrunner + writer has a full room of writers, suddenly it becomes harder to tell them no. Regardless of how good a writer is, having that one perspective dominate the discussion can create all sorts of issues, especially in a show like Rick and Morty. And I think we do have evidence to support this. Dan Harmon has gone on plenty of times about his opinions on storytelling, and his preferences towards extreme nihilist comedy over character writing. Do some people enjoy that style of writing? Absolutely, but it's a very hard sell when so much of the show needs a balance, at least as it's been established. (Also, while I do cite Dan Harmon specifically for this, there's a chance many of the other writers very much believe the same, and it's not a power balance issue, but the remaining fault still remains) With that interpretation also comes a slew of new questions, namely "why do some episodes still focus on the character moments, while others mock it." (also, from here on I'm speculating on top of speculations, please take it with a grain of salt the size of Texas) I think that the remaining character moments in Rick and Morty are done by specific writers, trying to bargain their ideas into the show. Whether that be because Dan's vision dominates it, or many of the writer's share the same vision, I think that specific writer or writers want to sneak their own character moments into the show with the concession of "wouldn't it be funny if..." My reasoning for this is that Ricklantis Mixup is in season 3. "Wouldn't it be funny if... a whole episode was dedicated to an artful exploration of a new society of Rick and Morty's, and we had no jokes the entire time." The episode is so unprecedented that I cannot believe for a second it was created unironically. I think that one of the writers' had a genuine passion for the world, presented it, and justified it's existence by its irony. "Wouldn't it be funny if... we made an episode that was genuinely beautiful as standalone art. and then showed that it didn't matter." Every time a character says something of value, or does something of value, I always put it into this context. "Oh, the two Beths both exist and did something in this episode? Imagine how lame it would be if we followed this up unclimactically. That'd definitely show it didn't matter." "What if we teased a resurrected bird person, but we took away all the dramatic stakes from it just to make it less satisfying, gotta make sure it doesn't actually matter in the long term." "What if we changed the entire dynamic of the show, then reverted it super unsatisfyingly, to show it didn't matter?" "Oh, a world where Rick can't use his typical science gadgets? He adapts immediately and becomes a badass science sorcerer, but only if it's the least satisfying way we can do it. Also add horny dragons." (I think the horny dragons were unintentionally unfunny, but I think the rest of the episode's issues were intentional) It sounds almost conspiratorial, I know, but stick with me on this one. The train episode proves this for me. While the episode itself is rather solid, and the comedy is pretty good, the implications of the ending bits are massive. Rick and Morty get zapped for all their "story potential," and the only way they can stop it is by running it into the ground by being obnoxious. They zoom out and Rick makes an over-merchandising joke while being creepy even by his standards. Given that this whole episode was a retry of a "corrupted Hero's Journey" (see The Vindicators), this episode was probably under more scrutiny than any other episode, and thus, is a better reflection of the show's direction as a whole. Yet, the only takeaway there is, for the entire episode, rounds off to "wouldn't it be funny if... nothing mattered?" The train scene by itself was enough to prove this, but the zoom out and weird Rick behavior serves *only* to confirm this. The intentional takeaway of the episode is exactly that nothing matters. The intentional takeaway of the show is that nothing matters. And while it's in the context of humor, it's more like one big anti-joke. It's not a joke, it's a statement. "Wouldn't it be funny if nothing mattered."

[@sdbzfan1]

@@nyahnyahson523 weird thing the whole, wouldn't it be funny if nothing matters, is something I can get behind, Rick and Morty already isn't standard television in that it comes and goes like dead beat dad, so when it comes back I have a few laughs then promptly forget about it, this worked to its favor back in seasons 1 and 2 but come the end of 2 it got popular and I genuinely think the writers do hate that fact given how every time they do something world changing they undermine it the next episode or even the end of the season, I think the main issue with reviewers is both annoyance with fans overhyping the show as better than it is but also feeling like the writers view all their fans as the same annoying people that want things to change, everyone, everyone brings up how much they hate the baby episode and love the rick backstory episode and to me I just saw the baby episode as the writers blowing off some steam, not every episode needs to be a banger not every episode needs to move the story along, people see the whole facist Morty as a substitute for the fans when I just see it as a way to make fun of constraints when making a product people hounding you to things you'd rather do on your own terms Rick and Morty honestly should have stayed niche, it should have never gained more people in the writers room and while people say change is necessary I don't think its out of fear of woke as much as it is something being unrecognizable as it once was

[@Damn.522]

@@nyahnyahson523 how long it take to type this ?

[@bunnyben5607]

Ryan Ridley and Kaufman were literally the only two competent regular writers on the show, and they stopped after the second season. The whirly dirly conspiracy *feels* like it's a season 2 episode trying to break itself out of the trash, it was so close, and that just so happened to be the last time Ridley was a writer.

[@CreationsFlare]

You know, an aspect I used to love about Rick and Morty was that Jerry was a dick, but one you could understand. Everyone always wants to be a Rick, maybe even a Beth or even a Morty. But the vast majority of people would be like Jerry, and that's not SUPPOSED to be a bad thing. When it comes down to it, Jerry generally does have the best interests at heart for his family. His worst moments is when he actually gets recognized and his ego balloons out of control as a result of having too much sips of the fine wine Rick gets drunk off of on an average basis. Rick is not supposed to be replicable, and I felt like that message was that Jerry was a believable response to being an in-law to one of the most insane scientists in the universe. But now he's just kind of a one-note joke. He's inherently pathetic to everything around him, yet nobody can see why having someone who wishes to return to normalcy is inherently a bad thing. He's tacked on as a punching bag who wants to be Rick, when atleast before he used to be a mortal being who had to cope with who's effectively a super-smart demon.

[@midasiscariot]

Most people are not like Jerry. Most people are not morons, but are just confused or depressed and insecure. If anything, most people are like Beth and Morty, and well, also like Rick minus the supposed scientific genius. Because Rick is an "idiot" too.

[@bumibomber]

@@midasiscariot Jerry wasn't a moron before season 3. He was a normal thickheaded person who was in over his head but had the best interests of his family at heart.

[@robjoiner1234]

@@bumibomber ya, then he literally turned gay

[@draco9513]

@@bumibomber are you sure about that?

[@somnodaur8064]

idk, i still hate him for pushing Snowballs head into the pee. Power hungry pos

[@jackskellingtonsora]

I definitely did enjoy when Rick would be outmatched and then desperately start yelling "Run Morty! You have to run!" The point SHOULD be that Rick is a piece of shit and the show should prove that constantly by showing him lose due to him being a piece of shit. The Cronenberg episode was the best example of that. It did that in the earlier seasons. But, that is lacking in the later seasons.

[@MrGrass97]

“I’m not the one who mixed up a bunch of nonsense together” is one of my favorite lines in the show.