Castle Super Beast Clips: Anime Isn't For Poor People

[@Eddman368]

almost as absurd as when youtubers like Kenny Lauderdale get his videos taken down for copyright, Kenny-"hey kenny here and this anime has been a piece of lost media for years here's a bunch a clips that my community and friends managed to restore from moldy decaying vhs Tapes" Rights holder- remove this piece of media that we can't reproduce or sell, because you're affecting our sales.

[@Abdega]

Kenny- The… the sales that were impossible for you to have because even *YOU* didn’t have copies of anymore and someone had to do an act of archeology to actually find any shred of the media left? Rights holder- yeah

[@omgitshim]

There is no known evidence of this film's existence except for the copy the rights holders sent to KZbin for content ID

[@tylergregoire1763]

Sometimes, you want to watch something dead and gone, something you can’t get legally. Sometimes there’s an OVA or old flick that’s been scrubbed from history. And sometimes, there’s a particular version of a program you want to see. In times like those, the streaming sites available have a tendency to fail, and the only recourse of many people is to begin pirating. It’s not uncommon, we’ve all done it.

[@1337w334b00]

The worst is when you can still technically get it, if you enjoy outrageous second-hand prices or dumb work-arounds. Like how the NGE Platinum boxset goes for hundreds and this was "Just the way it is" for over a decade. Or how you CAN get Gurren Lagann in English on Blu-ray, if you have a region-free Blu-ray player or live in the UK. Piracy is a service problem and anime is the worst service I have seen in all of entertainment media.

[@RayShadow278]

Hell, if you want to watch any of the Super Robot Wars animated series you HAVE to pirate it since it's not available anywhere

[@danielyoung6778]

My chief interests are almost entirely arthouse, international and cult film's so streaming sites are literally worthless to me at this point. My watch later list of free movies on KZbin is more exciting than most streaming services entire (mostly) shallow catalogue honestly. I'd pay but no streaming service offers what I'm looking for bar Mubi and they only have 30 film's at any time and criterion isn't in Ireland for some reason.

[@SuperNuclearHamster]

@@1337w334b00 Wait the NGE Platinum Box Set goes for hundreds?! Damn I have one of those sitting in my closet.

[@lindholmaren]

Evangelion/JoJo OVA/JoJo Phantom Blood movie (completely gone)/Your name./Steins;Gate/Katanagatari/Eureka Seven/Hellsing Some of these can be gotten through Amazon prime video, would be super cool if Amazon prime was usable in my country Some of these I own blu rays of because I happen to love them, some I can't actually find anywhere. The only reason I own any of them is because I pirated them and loved them enough to want to support the ones who made them. The people with the "Just don't live in country X/be poor LOOOOOOOOOL 4Head" deserve to be shot

[@SuperNuclearHamster]

"I want to give you my money for your product" "We refuse to take your money for our product" "Ok I'll pirate it then" "WTF YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT US"

[@Horatio787]

I hate that what you're saying isn't hyperbole.

[@FunkBastid]

Just buy the $900 dvd set from 2003 that’s been out of print since 2003 I don’t see the problem

[@NeutralL12]

Even worse, smoothbrains actually defend this

[@moyluna1589]

@@FunkBastid Easy counter. "The money does not go to the creator's, only the seller."

[@lnfreeman]

I'll be king of the pirates. I'm gonna be king!

[@PS1-Hagrid]

The anime industry is like watching a farmer spending the season breaking his back to cultivate the land and grow his crop. Then he burns a quarter of the crop for no reason and 80% of what he actually does harvest he crates up and buries where no one can find it and wonders why no one's buying them.

[@thomasdeguzman1149]

That's not a bad analogy

[@Jackboy019]

This is like the inverse of the story of an Irish King letting thieves steal potatoes to make it a more popular food.

[@Horatio787]

@@Jackboy019 Just read up on that and it is a wild story.

[@StanNotSoSaint]

Well. Japanese business practices.

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

That's just Capitalism man

[@neroneroren6788]

Every time the piracy topic comes up I remember that South Park episode where they pirate some music, and they try to guilt trip the kids by saying things like "Because of your downloads, this celebrity has to wait one more day to have a giant pool".

[@Gojiro7]

I find it extra hilarious that Yhatzee Crowshaw from Zero Punctuation also pulls that same gag, but with Game Development.....he acts like people in the professional game industry are rich as fuck and live in the lap of over indulgent luxury when thats from true even of most companies CEO's XD

[@mrrdirty6198]

Friendly reminder that there is no legal way to watch Hajime no Ippo.

[@thomasdeguzman1149]

Which is sad cos it's one of the best sports anime out there

[@AlexAndriy1995]

Great show

[@Whatevsman27]

Destiny's Way s’how I went and did it

[@TheNottakenaccount]

@John Library yu yu hakusho and I think Kenshin are both on HULU

[@TobiStarGaming]

Yeah i was about to say I watched YuYu like 2month ago on hulu.

[@RayShadow278]

Gundaminfo, a good way to officially show support for Gundam here in the west, on KZbin, has 99% of the channel's content *blocked out* for a very large number of countries, but I guess "I'm just not supposed to watch it" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Fun fact, if we just accepted not watching stuff not available in our regions, anime would have NEVER gotten as big as it has become. Japanese game devs wouldn't have gotten access to stuff like Ultima and D&D meaning a lot of the modern media entertainment we take for granted today WOULD SIMPLY NOT EXIST

[@ginger-ham4800]

Sunrise & Bamco: The West doesn't like Gundam Also Sunrise & Bamco: Blocks and dripfeeds 99% of all Gundam content outside of Japan

[@acedetective7280]

I just want to see 0079 and Zeta but Sunrise says naw.

[@wohdinhel]

FUCKING *P R E A C H* . I am so beyond exhausted of the zero-brain-cell piracy discourse. Piracy would go away if license holders did not give everyone a million reasons to pirate.

[@KingCam20]

I'd also like to point out that the Blu-Ray releases of both the Original Gundam, and Zeta Gundam, are sold at roughly $100 dollars each. Which is frankly mind boggling. I wouldn't mind supporting those series if they were actually sold at a reasonable price.

[@MrBBnumber9]

Yes, exactly! GIVE ME ZETA YOU COWARDS!

[@DragoonBoom]

I swear to god rich people only ever eat out and haven't ever cooked for themselves and think that fridges are used to store snacks and beverages. It's the only thing that makes sense

[@tornesaurio]

It's not for poor people. BUT IT'S FOR SALTY SEA PEOPLE! YAHARR!!

[@Rio..o7..]

AVAST!

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Yar har figgity dee Being a pirate is alright for me Do what you want because a pirate is free You are a pirate

[@ZeOHKay]

ARRRGGG!!

[@ichimaru96]

"sea people" oh...oh no *speeds away on my bronze age chariot*

[@LightningZerker]

@@ImmaLittlePip We got us a map (A map!) To lead us to a hidden box That's all locked up with locks (with locks!) And buried deep away We'll dig up the box (The box!) We know its full of precious booty Burst open the locks And then we say hooray!

[@RubyRoks]

The idea of "This isn't available in your region" in the age of THE FUCKING INTERNET is baffling to me. I get it in countries like China or North Korea or various parts of the Middle East where government control of the internet and media as a whole is actually a thing, but in just about every other developed part of the world that has access to a more free and open internet, it seems like arbitrary bullshit limitations that could legitimately make a studio less money because their product has a smaller audience. There's no reason aside from translation that i shouldn't be able to watch content from all over the world as it airs in North America. Moreover, While you might make less money from viewers in, say, Argentina or Brazil, you'll get access to dedicated fans who'll appreciate the content more and spread the word, making up for the per viewer loss in viewing mass (theoretically) Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

[@theotherjared9824]

It's the repercussions of giving third parties distribution rights in certain regions. So muchnred tape has built up that it's no longer worth the effort for any party involved. It's why self-distribution is much more common as of recent, so this never happens again.

[@phantomgoblin5540]

Alot of that dumb BS is really the fault of the distributors and those who own the rights in said regions they have (depending on the laws in what region) a near infinite greedy strangle hold on a IP. We even have that in America like how Anything Power Rangers related is STILL owned by like one dude and you can't do anything with PR without his say so, the fact that there are STILL so many IP's region locked or just up to fans to translate or even sometimes straight up distribute is BEYOND ridiculous

[@Jimbo55151]

Ok the refrigerator thing Pat said was a joke but I have had people I know get genuinely infuriated when they learn poor people have things like cell phones and modern TVs.

[@JameboHayabusa]

That wasn't a joke. I forget which news publication said it, but I'm guessing Pat paraphrased the reporter.

[@solrabbit4135]

It was Fox News but I forgot which of those asshats said it.

[@djackson4605]

For me the connection is when someone is upset about their poverty, but has an iphone or $100 shoes. The person is oblivious of what they already have, because they're so focused on what they don't. A lot of our people in the U.S. do this. They desire, even expect more because... others have those things?

[@JameboHayabusa]

@@solrabbit4135 of course it was Fox news. I don't know why I didn't immediately assume that lmao.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@djackson4605 Phones in first world countries are not a luxury unless it's for a child going to elementary school.

[@InReserveProductions]

Garth Brooks is most famous in my country for cancelling a whole block of tour dates because the company that runs the stadium wouldn't let him add more dates (since it was like the highest selling and most demanded concert at the time). This is because there's a limit to the amount of days they can put on music since it's in a residential area...despite breaking this rule for One Direction. So long story short he's most famous for being a fucking baller.

[@trevingrayek1671]

I’m not going to pretend to feel bad that a website that tried to con it’s users into buying a premium membership for pirated anime and also banned anybody who used ad block to try and save from its malware is gone but I would love to see more legal options served to areas that don’t get them right now

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Pretty much the point here is "fuck KissAnime, but we already have better pirate sites anyway."

[@mukamasa]

@@UltimaKeyMaster which are? Seriusly kissanime is the only siete I knew

[@Raldavar]

@Unstoppable Plays! Whoosh for missing sarcasm.

[@SideswipePrime606]

Same. Screw Kissanime, they were a bunch of scumbags anyway.

[@lennonyowell1897]

I don't think people feel bad for kissanime. I think people feel bad for people who depended on it.

[@0rriAndroid]

You'll put more money into the anime industry by buying a couple figures from an official seller than you would with a lifetime subscription to Crunchyroll or Funnimation.

[@ew275x]

Well the money is pocketed by the production committee but the industry makes most of it's Moolah on overseas licensing.

[@ricardomilos10]

remember when they use their money to fund high profile western feminist calarts show "high guardian spice"

[@theprofesionalist7927]

@@ricardomilos10 I remember; I also remember how immediately after that the company started tanking and Warner media was starting to think about getting rid of them to cut costs. It's almost as if you should make sure that you have enough money stored away for your big ambitious "we're so progressive" projects in case they tank, since going woke equals going broke.

[@Max501]

@@ricardomilos10 No, because it never released to the public yet. XD

[@JoelBurger]

When are people going to stop perpetuating this myth, that the vast majority of the money from figure sales makes it anywhere near the actual animators?

[@carpetsnowraiser5568]

reminder that MONSTER, one of the best shows of all time, is on literally no streaming service and only the first 15 episodes are legally purchasable.

[@VanTesla]

I wish the dam rights holders would re-release it on Blu-ray... Not holding my breath on that any time soon. I'm going to be introducing my best friend to it soon. Likely after we finish up the current anime we are on. Got him into the OG Gundam series up to Unicorn, but purposely skipped ZZ.

[@BobtheX]

Piracy is a service problem.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@Sidney J. Duffy and sometimes I pirate because Crunchyroll is a terrible service and sometimes the pirate sites have better video players and in high quality too with all episodes both subbed and dubbed

[@oluwahefner4194]

Well most times yea. I do it because I'm a cheap bastard and if i can get something for free i will. Admittedly i would support the media if i truly want to

[@AlejandroTecman]

it is, and then steam solved it for videogames, why cruncy roll is failing so hard on this, I mean, every popular game on steam is being pirated somewhere, yet people are making money whit the games, why crunchy roll is failing so hard existing this model already

[@trevingrayek1671]

I know that legal streaming options are super limited in places like India, who are also disproportionately affected by the closing of kissanime and that’s some grade-A crap. Their version of Netflix does have an anime category but I don’t think that’s enough.

[@AngelRodriguez-gg6rc]

@Sidney J. Duffy the only studio I know of that you can fund directly is Studio Trigger who set up a Patreon

[@Flare3500]

You know what , rarely this happens but I'm shocked and glad that Pat is on the pro-poor stance , he was very reasonable in this discussion and the 99% of poor people having Refrigerators god damn made laugh real good, I remember that shit show of a news

[@jasonwalker4003]

this struck a nerve for him. makes sense that someone whose life and career is defined by media would avidly support the open and accessible distribution of said media

[@alexc6088]

@@jasonwalker4003 He did also say he was poor at one point too so he clearly empathizes with other people who are poor.

[@LiveAnotherDaveActually]

If memory serves right, Pat is very often the vocal defender of the little guy.

[@LieseFury]

@@LiveAnotherDaveActually :^)

[@mikecampos1193]

He knows how to speak his mind on this.

[@adamruiz3683]

It's fitting that Woolie brings up musical theatre cuz the theatre world has been fitting a similar battle for years. People keep asking for recordings of performances to be made so people can watch a play without having to go to the theatre, and the theatre businesses keep saying 'No, that would take away the ~experience~ of the stage.'

[@ultimatehamsandwich734]

I hate how history rhymes so much

[@StanNotSoSaint]

Well at least you can have an argument about live show vs digital recording. Anime always _IS_ a digital recording, it's the same expirience regardless.

[@bluefighter4612]

@@StanNotSoSaint yeah it is much different to see a live show in person than watching a video but a vast majority of people will not be able to or want to go to a theater, if you can deliver your material to a vast audience there is no reason to not do a recording since you will have a higher chance of attracting more people to your live shows and if they are worried about losing the people that do go out of their way to watch live shows I seriously doubt it, those kind of enthusiast will always go to see it live.

[@StanNotSoSaint]

@@bluefighter4612 I am not against that logic. I just meant that anime has even less reason to not be distributed.

[@globox123456789]

I remember when I imported the full Bluray set, all 64 episodes of FMA Brotherhood from the UK for 60 bucks because it wasn't available in my country. Then, 2 years later they released the show here piecemeal in like a dozen volumes for 40 bucks each. It's completely insane, man.

[@thomasdeguzman1149]

And then Netflix bought the rights to have it on its subscription platform. That being said I think Blu-Ray copies show more uncensored scenes than streaming services (gore, nudity etc.) which is an upside to Blu-Ray copies

[@Dasaltwarrior]

Reminder that the moment Funi lost the distribution rights, FMA instantly went from 30-50 bucks a season to 200. Like FUCK HOW ARE YOU THIS FUCKING STUBBORN

[@-THE_META]

Honestly. Pat and Woolie realizing they are old was the best part of this, I want a compilation.

[@francescolombardi3438]

Kissanime: Change the industry My final message good bye

[@swagtasticpanda]

god, it's so depressing that this was a legitimate statement from one of the forum admins.

[@francescolombardi3438]

@@swagtasticpanda i mean, Kissanime had its problems but the industry itself has way more

[@swagtasticpanda]

@@francescolombardi3438 oh for sure I'm not blind to how messed up the anime scene that trigger studios has opened a patreon to service some of it's production. crunchyroll and other streaming platforms are by and large a symptom of the anime industry being as expensive and laborious as it is.

[@Abdega]

Kissanime was Chocolate Milk Gorilla the entire time?!

[@swagtasticpanda]

@@Abdega *always has been*

[@twoclearbullets]

It's been 20 years, beast wars still isn't available legally in the UK outside of a few VHS tapes

[@shadikal12345]

Transformers Beast Wars?

[@Bleeperblopper497]

@@shadikal12345 obviously

[@shadikal12345]

@@Bleeperblopper497 Was wondering whether or not there was another show with Beast Wars in the title. Speaking of, god I love that Transformers series.

[@raiserzero2]

shadikal12345 there actually is a Japanese-made Beast Wars 2 anime. Optimus Primal is a Lion in that one.

[@SG-bp4lg]

Pat is going from high quality streams during the podcast to communicating via a tin can on a string from inside of a submarine to not having video at all. Soon he will just be an IRC chat talking to woolie.

[@BloodEyesDragon]

Reminder that Symphogear's popularity in the west is 100% thanks to piracy, and that we didn't get english sub blu-rays for SEASON ONE until this year, EIGHT YEARS AFTER SEASON ONE'S CONCLUSION. (edited for spelling)

[@RayShadow278]

Man Symphogear got robbed, so glad it's finally getting the attention it deserves here in the west

[@castform57]

And not to mention, when we finally did get more or less official release in the form of CR, the subs are mediocre at best. Piracy in the form of commie or yamete provided us a much better version. That show is never going to get a dub version either, because music is impossible to alter in it.

[@matthewlugo2417]

Is that show good? I like the concept but idk if it nails story or execution

[@RavenCloak13]

Rosencruez Not to mention after the series ENDED.

[@RavenCloak13]

castform5 They didn’t change the singers for Zombieland Saga so they could just do that.

[@muhammadfaizmohdnasiruddin2889]

Remember when we used to watch Part 1 of 3 of Naruto on KZbin or MySpace? I remember...

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Dude all anime in 3 parts with fan subs and in 360p quality Those were the times I do miss seeing that blue fox running

[@muhammadfaizmohdnasiruddin2889]

@@ImmaLittlePip 480p was considered HD and a privilege.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@muhammadfaizmohdnasiruddin2889 Oh I'm talking earlier when 240p was standard and 360p was high quality

[@muhammadfaizmohdnasiruddin2889]

@@ImmaLittlePip oh yeah. 240p and 360p were the only option for a while. I remember watching Sergeant Keroro on a KZbin channel that had its entire channel decorated in the show's icon (back when you could actually change the channels background).

[@ColdSoulAssassin]

That is legit how I watched the entirety of Soul Eater on KZbin a decade ago.

[@TheLordMagmar]

Netflix straight up bases it’s initial pricing in a country based on the amount of piracy that country generates. Specifically they lower the price of their subscription in higher piracy countries.

[@amaizeing.dumbass5123]

How much costs Netflix in your country? Here in Mexico is almost 7 US dollars at month for 2 devices

[@DaSquareful]

That sounds like some bullshit to just fix the price at whatever they think they can make people pay.

[@FrancisYorkMorganFBI]

The game industry does the samething. Zach and i bought a ton of games for next to nothing. Thanks to our trusty VPN and of course old mother russia

[@TheJiminatorHS]

I know poland did this like 15 years ago. I bought like 7 new pc games for the price of 1

[@RavenCloak13]

RJoans Except the part when Netflix first started and go it’s stride... it tanked piracy so much that it made the companies licensing it to Netflix and seeing the money Netflix made thought “...Hey why don’t we start our own streaming service?” and piracy shot RIGHT BACK UP AND EVEN HIGHER NOW cause all these streaming sites is like old cable bills and they destroyed the system that made Netflix actually good. Everything was in one place, for the cheap, everyone (companies and consumers alike) were using it and Netflix stayed afloat by skimming just a little off the top and everything was good but they fucked up the system and now we have current Netflix. A shadow of its former self.

[@en4135]

This problem is easily explained by the streaming service war, when it was just Netflix piracy dropped fairly significantly but the moment it split and spawned a bunch of streaming services we all went back to the old ways.

[@Xeno426]

"Hold up, I gotta pee" is the perfect ending statement. :D But yeah, Woolie is 100% right. You can find interviews with Gabe Newell about when they moved Steam into Russia, being told "you can't do that, everything is just pirated." They succeeded because they offered a better service at a fair price compared to piracy.

[@Abdega]

On the one hand good job Gabe, On the other, I’m tired of getting messages and “friend requests” of people from there saying “friend, please click this link to go to this site” that is totally going to be running a script to try and steal my account

[@jasonwhigham335]

"Anime isn't for poor people" more like anime isn't for anyone

[@flammableghost]

Anime companies are cutting out the middleman. Gundam info is a yt channel owned by bandai and has complete gundam series on it. They added the Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 movie trilogy last month with like 7 different subtitle options. A bunch of companies are teaming up make a channel and puts lot of anime on it soon. Animelog iirc. But then again, owning is better than renting. Arrr.

[@GELTONZ]

Don't forget the TMS Channel! You can marathon Monster Rancher straight from the source!

[@slifer875]

Do they have subtitles? and if they don't, are they planning on implementing them?

[@flammableghost]

@@slifer875 they got subtitles

[@slifer875]

@@flammableghost thanks, will check them out.

[@MrBBnumber9]

Which is cool but a lot of stuff rotates on and off. In my case, I want to watch Zeta Gundam but I either have to wait for it to get uploaded, but the insane priced DVD’s or pirate it. I wish sunrise at least had a thing where they go “hey, you can be patient and wait for it to get on our KZbin channel or pay for our service and get to watch all of them.”

[@Abdega]

We would all know who Garth Brooks is if Araki named a 「stand」 after him

[@matthewlugo2417]

Wait he did?

[@iller3]

I hate this

[@Abdega]

@@matthewlugo2417 No. If he did, chat wouldn’t be asking “Who?” When Garth Brooks was mentioned

[@Abdega]

@@iller3 We all hate it because it’s true

[@zgSH4DOW]

Over the years, piracy has only become MORE morally upstanding Whether it's the support of authoritarian regimes, antagonistic customer treatment, or oppressive work environments, they give us more and more reason to gank their shit

[@albertzinger7132]

@@pw5975 They don't really make it for a non-Japanese audience. All of a gaijin anime consumption is a mere afterthought.

[@alanthieris4447]

Wait, Crunchy is done? But they didn't even release High Guardian Spice yet!

[@galacticcorgi1258]

Damn bro you didn't have to end them right then and there

[@muhammadfaizmohdnasiruddin2889]

Oh yeah, that magical schoolgirl Steven Universe look-a-like. I only remember that because Crunchyroll said it would be an original anime by the company itself. Though the trailer didn't talk much about it, just that the staff behind it is very diverse or whatever.

[@SteveJonesGamingGWO]

... Hahaha

[@xsoultillerx]

whatever happened to that? did they just quietly scuttle it due to the pushback?

[@SteveJonesGamingGWO]

@@xsoultillerx it was delayed into 2020 and last time it appeared was advertisijg for Crunchy Roll "originals" (aka shows they helped produced but not actually make )

[@Rikuo86]

There's a lot of reasons why people pirate anime to begin with, but the core problem is how the anime industry views anime as a product and not a service. It comes from the same place as to why JP Devs don't want to implement rollback despite how much people clearly ask for it. It's not a problem for their target audience and business model so they do not care. The anime industry made blu-rays so expensive they effectively priced out swathes of people who would prefer to buy them. To give you an example: Aniplex USA uses the same format Aniplex JP uses; $50 for 4 GODDAMN EPISODES. It used to cost $220 to own all 12 episodes of Madoka Magica if you wanted the limited edition and $150 for just the regular bluray. In contrast, Funimation tries to keep the prices of 12 episodes to roughly $50 with special and limited editions bumping up to $60+ and has regular sales. Full series/seasons usually don't exceed $70 and don't stay that high for long. No matter what problems you have with whatever dubbing/licensing company, that is WAY better a deal and far more reasonable given the content you get. The aniplex situation is the defacto in Japan, hence why the measure of a shows success there ISN'T in just blu-ray sales, it's in merchandise. So if you can exploit your home market into buying hyperinflated blu-rays and merchandise and make top dollar doing it, why WOULD you care about providing your products, let alone comprehensive services to grant access to them, to an international audience for *potentially* less of a return and increased production cost? I'm surprised Crunchyroll even lasted this long given that Daisuki was shut down immediately after getting bought by Bandai Namco. But then again, they're owned by AT&T. I don't support piracy because it doesn't solve the problem, it's just a workaround for the user, but holy shit do I not blame anyone who does because this industry is fucking fucked.

[@SideswipePrime606]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@RavenCloak13]

Rikuo86 Well yeah, they make more money off merch... the anime is an ADVERTISEMENT and nothing else. Rarely is anime the main product. Japanese anime studios actually complain when the Japanese audience imports the DVD’s/Blue-rays from overseas cause it cost way less similar to how American jobs were sent to China and shit cause the government made it hard for businesses to make a profit and actually pay it’s workers. The only things made in America now are important things for safety.

[@Rikuo86]

@@RavenCloak13 Companies outsource to other countries explicitly because it's cheaper than to do so in their home country. It rarely has anything to do with government ordinances toward business practices (especially within the last 40 years as companies have only gotten *more* tax breaks and rebates) and everything to do with them being able to save more money which almost always goes to the upper echelon of the company. Financial data and analysis has shown consistently that corporations often do not pay their workers more even when they do ask for tax breaks to do just that; *while* they are financial flourishing. But that's a slightly different discussion. Anime being an accessory to a different source product isn't inherently bad. The problem is the Anime Industry tried to apply the business model of taking any semi-popular work-> make anime/drama cd/other adaptation tie-in -> Make merch -> ???? -> profit to nearly every anime they could get a license for to absolutely disastrous results. You will only ever make enough money to break even and fund the next production if you succeed and they often did not; leading to multiple studios bankrupting themselves. This even takes it's toil on creators as they split from companies to form there own, only for the production costs to bite them in the ass. So they fall into the same pattern that their former company did: adapt some semi-popular IP's in hope something, anything becomes a hit so they can actually make their passion projects. It's like a car that only gets shittier the more you drive it, but the only way to drive it is for it to be in as shitty a state as possible and you can't afford a new car.

[@RavenCloak13]

Rikuo86 Well no, a lot of studios KNOW that lot of this shit isn’t going to be smash hit and they live on the very logic that it’s fine to do it like this so long as we can stay afloat but they do hope they get a smash hit. Your example of that business model also doesn’t make sense. They made products and the advertisement (the anime) for the main product which is the manga/LN and are just hoping that they sell. That’s the point. That South Park meme only works when you don’t see a clear way you can make profits off the work. This stuff has been going on for over 40 years, they have a good sense of what is probably going to sell and make orders for an appropriate amount of merch that won’t break them. Animation in general also just cost a fuck ton of money is another problem. Making manga, some small merch and hell making games is even easier to do then making animation. Even with the fact anime pioneered a lot of animation short cuts for broadcast anime and in modern times save the reworked animation that has more detail in the models and just better animation in general for the Blue-rays to drum up sales along with uncensoring stuff to give it more value it still takes a lot to make the anime, tons of cut backs and we know a lot of these animators are paid little and work fucked amount of hours. It’s not really like a shitty car cause well... you can scrap the car parts and make more money off the different parts. You can’t do that with animation. Well you can but that would be dipping into the microtransaction territory of selling you piece by piece... which they sort of do with the DVD’s that come in small packs that only include a couple of episodes and expected you to pay multiple 40-70$ box sets.

[@RavenCloak13]

Rikuo86 Hell, Japans finally getting better at using 3D models to help draw over them for action scenes will massively lower the work hours and cost of animation. It is getting better but it’s the start and these big businesses were always going to make themselves the main profiters and the main thing that actually is the problem with self publishing is people never spend enough time to save money and research/learn from the past creators in how they can make anime as an ad and how to best profit off their IP.

[@jscandyhell6846]

Pat's analogy hit hard. I always wanted to watch wrestling as a kid, but pay-per-view meant the most hyped-up moments were locked behind a paywall. I actually have a mental block when it comes to wrestling, because even if it were accessible now, there's a voice in my head telling me "it's not *for* you"

[@tristanflores6262]

Friendly reminder that 60-70 usd for 12 episodes with no bonus features is dumb and they dont deserve my money

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Shout out to Uniquenameosaurus

[@Mekasoundwave]

They hated him because he told them the truth.

[@DoctorCVC]

Piracy is just like any other illicit industry: if you make the official route more convenient or cost-effective than the illicit route, people will stop engaging in the illicit industry.

[@xsoultillerx]

i remember a band doing a "pay what you want" format with one of their albums and people still pirated it even though they could've potentially got it for free without piracy. I'm not saying that you're wrong but it's a little naive to think that people wouldn't pirate without a moral highground.

[@randomfox12245]

@@xsoultillerx no ones saying piracy will be ELIMINATED. But it can and has been EFFECTIVELY mitigated as a financially impactful occurence in many other industries such as music.

[@slayertakim1]

@@pw5975 Not exactly. The issue isnt the band getting their money it is the poor guys who spend 20 hour days with audio mixing, graphic design, etc. Media industries punishes those people far more so that everyone will be mad at the people who just didnt buy it legally because now I am struggling with my rent.

[@DarkPlague20]

so you're saying if people just get married they wouldn't have to rent prostitutes?!

[@UMAdvocate]

Anyone out there still pirating music? 😒

[@steelblake]

"Art is not for the pleb" some anime VA in California/LA

[@Darklover15]

Pat’s breakdown over Garth Brooks lmao

[@DinsRune]

"We'd rather nobody consume our product then people get it for free."

[@moyluna1589]

I got into a spat on Twitter talking about how there is no legal way to watch Urusei Yatsura. To watch it I need to spend over $300, and that's just for about 3/4 of the original series not including movies or OVAs. When I shared this info I was told to either, try to find it in a different country, write to Crunchyroll, or just not watch it.

[@NeutralL12]

These people cant be reasoned with. They're so far into corporate slave culture its insane. They'd probably think all libraries should be burned down for allowing sharing of books and that slavery was ok because it was legal

[@606hunter1]

Urusei Yatsura is awesome. Bought the blu ray movie they released and one of the manga Omnibuses but it's incredibly sad that they refuse to release the actual show

[@Azmodeus87]

How little of it you can reasonably acquire is almost more bonkers then Eva's thing. It's also among one of the quintessential Anime, for several reasons (Takahashi history, Va debuts, animation big names etc.) and of it's 190+ episodes, several OVA's and movies, only the 1st 2 movies are readily available. Imagine if the only parts of DBZ you could easily get, was Dead zone & Worlds strongest.

[@Abdega]

12:40 “And the [Friggin] thing starts at episode 261” Now the thing with Mother’s Basement is starting to make sense…

[@schneeproductions7264]

What's the thing with mother's basement

[@luccagiovani]

What thing? :o

[@primexon]

@@schneeproductions7264 check Uniquenameosaurus he did a couple of videos about this and mother's basement i think hes referring to that

[@mrrdirty6198]

@@schneeproductions7264 Mother's Basement's most recent video is about why it's okay to skip parts in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, and it has mixed reception.

[@Abdega]

@@schneeproductions7264 He made a couple videos saying it was okay to skip parts in Jojo (and anime in general) Many were baffled because why would one just start in the middle of a series that they have no clue about? Now, personally, I didn’t really care if he suggested skipping parts or not, but when you look at how he has been sponsored by Crunchyroll, how he tends to praise Crunchyroll a lot in his videos, how Crunchyroll will just have random seasons that you can’t start at the beginning of, and how Geoff is being vehement about how it’s okay to skip parts a pattern begins to emerge…

[@zztzgza]

Piracy is a service problem. AnimeCo's: Stop pirating our anime and buy them for outrageous prices! Customers: Make your anime available in our area! AnimeCo's: Nooo!!! Why do you hate us!?!?!😭

[@wolfen9113]

This is exactly when we need to see shirtless pat in his underwear ranting on the couch, this is the exact time we need the visual pat, right now

[@DerRitter7]

Let us please consider the bizarre fact that Kamen Rider Dragon Knight, an American adaptation of the Japanese tokusatsu show Kamen Rider Ryuki, is available for purchase in DVD/blu-ray form... in Japan but not in America. And the actor who plays Dragon Knight's lead character actually acknowledged this, and told fans to pirate the show if they want to.

[@ReRoute25]

Pirate format is just the ideal format the pompous streaming sites wish they can be.

[@LieseFury]

if there was a paid service that let me quickly download hd mkv files with whatever subtitles i want i'd at least try it.

[@rockdragon3]

crunchyroll once played 6 ads in a row before allowing the initial episode i was trying to watch to load, my internet hiccuped for a milisecond about 5 minutes in and i got an endless buffering loop, i refreshed the page and it played 4 more ads before failing to load the video entirely and telling me to refresh again... i just laugh everytime i hear their name now.

[@KogashiwaKai]

Remember when the only way to watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes was only via piracy from the laserdisc rips? And while it did eventually come to a streaming platform in an official form. The only way to get a localized physical copy is a box set thats almost $1k? fun times...although admitingly everyone who likes LOGH totally interally goes "I would totally buy the box set if it wasnt for money" Also how do people not atleast recognize the name Garth Brooks!?

[@danielyoung6778]

I just watched it on KZbin. Only got two seasons in before I had other shit to do but that's still an impressive amount because I don't think I've ever watched a season of anime ever.

[@russellarcher5181]

I watched the sh^t on TV, that show stayed with you

[@2la84me]

Because people either dont listen to country music or dont care simply.

[@NireFuster]

IMAGINE the amount of shows, movies, animations, VIDEOGAMES, that would've completely just flopped on their region but absolutely killed it on other regions, or very important or weird stuff that due to piracy was archived in the internet for ever for everybody to enjoy, example, emulators and obscure ROMs of games. Imagine how much of that would be lost, entirely, just because "durr piracy bad" or the stupid "it's not for your region to see" bullshit

[@NeutralL12]

And there's tons of dipshits that argue for that. They have literally 0 reason to argue for that and likely dont even know themselves why they're shilling for a cold corporation

[@mannythelazyguy6529]

like one piece at the start

[@TrueEnding]

I didnt realise Pat and Woolie used to listen to country music. Just imagining Woolie and Pat in a cowboy uniform standing infront of stable for a country cd cover makes my day.

[@russellarcher5181]

Woolie is crazy for Johnny Cash

[@galacticcorgi1258]

Cowboy pat and woolie would be funny as shit

[@russellarcher5181]

up until 25 yrs ago, Canada was mostly Country music, tv, radio, with some rock; 30 somethings like those RT crew would remember that

[@galacticcorgi1258]

People say don't pirate anime? Funny i can't hear you over fly me to the moon playing on my other tab cause im watching the original sub for the show on a illegal website

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

Or the dub.

[@galacticcorgi1258]

@@TheTrueRandomGamer yeah or the dub

[@tailedgates9]

Trying to find the original american airing of DBZ is like trying to find a needle in a haystack, but the needle is underground......

[@galacticcorgi1258]

@@tailedgates9 damn is it that bad?

[@tailedgates9]

@@galacticcorgi1258 Unless someone video taped the old episodes, I have NO idea where to find them....

[@joewall8210]

They took trigun off Netflix. I had to wait for months before they put it back on.

[@felphero]

Man I remember once upon a time watching the entirety of Ranma 1/2 right here on youtube

[@Ultimaniacx4]

Pat's camera finally gave up on capturing his girth.

[@Coconut-219]

"90 percent of poor people have refrigerators" - Capitalists somewhere in the world trying to invent a subscription service for refrigerators: *" QUICK WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN! "*

[@SteveJonesGamingGWO]

As a batman beyond fan, I thought pat was saying they really had perfected the system of introducing drugs via slap on patch. I didn't even realize that he was making a joke about slappers, Jesus man I am old as well

[@HellecticMojo]

schway

[@SteveJonesGamingGWO]

@@HellecticMojo "it's scharbage"

[@junaidazam12]

I completely agree with Grandpa Pat on this issue. And Grandpa Woolie sure says some funny things when he's cranky.

[@blazikeaton7478]

Person: I want to give you my money Company: El No Person: *pirates* Company: *surprised pikachu face*

[@randomfox12245]

The argument against piracy is always "well the people who made it lost a sale" But for folks who live in the philipeans for example, if they pirate the show... Then you didn't lose a sale. Because you're not selling it to them. There is no financial difference between them pirating or not pirating the show because you're not offering it to them either way. So what exactly is the argument against piracy in that case?

[@StanNotSoSaint]

head in the ass

[@josephjoestar382]

Wasn't it proven that piracy actually helps sales

[@MrNaleIt]

the funniest part of using garth for this example is he's one of those artists who go "do not put my music on youtube because piracy"

[@rrenkrieg7988]

my 20tb anime archive has now been justified

[@VanTesla]

Make sure to have a back up for said back up😅

[@Eifion]

I would also like to remind everyone here that doesn't know already that originally CrunchyRoll started OUT AS A PIRACY WEBSITE!

[@Azmodeus87]

As did Funimation. Anime in the west has, as far as i know, always started with piracy.

[@yochlel2642]

It feels almost unnatural to hear a take from Pat that isn't absolute garbage on the podcast, especially when it comes to anime.

[@theguyinthecorner605]

That Batman Beyond frame trap was magical, man. Pat couldn't tell up from down.

[@yochlel2642]

For a split second there, Pat showed real human emotion

[@genogamma13]

"Wanna use our taxi service? Show us you own a horse!"

[@samzilla567]

Shout out to Pat for calling out the VA's. It's hard to really give a shit about "supporting" these shows through crunchyroll and Funimation when everyone working there is an asshole.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

there are only 2 kinds of people in this world; assholes, and people who hide it well.

[@Abyss3223]

Gogoanime: Still here bro and still better.

[@Akaritomi]

Funimation and Crunchyroll are currently shitting the bed and soon both are gonna go under. All hail Anilog...

[@GIZMONDO987]

Isn't Anilog currently Japan-only?

[@Akaritomi]

@@GIZMONDO987 nope

[@lucidlullaby894]

I saw I guy go “these newer generations don’t know how to pirate shit, they default to streaming” and like _No one talks about_ how _to pirate media without loading up your computer with viruses,_ and up till now everything I’ve wanted to watch has been on youtube, but now that Funimation has lost the rights to *Everything* I cant do that anymore

[@Maxim0M1]

I agree with whoever said that. In a way it's good that pirating is "difficult" so the public eye mostly stays away from it.

[@ew275x]

I mean you just download torrents from sites, it's not hard

[@Maxim0M1]

@@ew275x I think people have a hard time figuring out which torrent sites are legit (there are quite a few scam ones that come up while doing a Google search). Compound that to the fact that people don't know that they have to install a torrent client, and that people who have never done this sort of stuff before probably don't even run an adblocker, making even "legit" torrent sites annoying and spyware infested. Their mindset is completely different from those that are used to this.

[@LieseFury]

use peerblock

[@LieseFury]

@@Maxim0M1 nyaa is the only one you need. if you're a weirdo and you need blu-ray rips for some reason there's also baka-bt

[@ethantaylor9613]

Comrade Pat at it again with the quality anti-corporate takes!

[@jakobtrangsrud8264]

The discussion of piracy was brought up and contested a year or two ago. It’s just coming up again. The youtuber Uniquenameosaurus has a couple good videos on it and how to support creators.

[@bluefoxtv1566]

Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. -Gabe Newell

[@bizophone]

"Canadian Experience in Media" had me laughing. I totally get it.

[@wohdinhel]

the solution to all of this, of course, is to use nyaa like a real adult

[@q306005]

That part about Garth Brooks fucked me up. But then again I live in Kentucky where you are required by law to listen to at least one Garth Brooks song by the time you're 3 years old.

[@q306005]

Seriously, I know children who say Garth Brooks is their favotite artist. And it disgusts me.

[@machine1685]

11:11 Another instance of this that I know of is the Shonen Jump app. For, like, $2/month you get access to a pretty large selection of shonen jump's library of manga. Granted the app is far from perfect and has its issues, but for what I need it to do it does fine.

[@wolvezbane261]

But even the app doesn't have the complete collections of some series. Tokyo Ghoul re was incomplete last time I checked. And before that I spent years on free manga sites. Its not different

[@machine1685]

@@wolvezbane261 I said that the app isn't perfect. Demon Slayer is missing some chapters, too. But the app is constantly being updated to add those missing chapters.

[@mannythelazyguy6529]

there is another problem, what if i like other manga than shonen jump, thats why i love manga dex or manga see, i just go to new and let jesus take the wheel, i have seen some bangers thanks to that

[@machine1685]

@@mannythelazyguy6529 That's something other publishers need to get on. For me personally, I have to pirate the manga for Medaka Box since Jump never released an official translation of it.

[@deanbernthal1630]

20:42 the dust weeze on woolies face is chefs kiss

[@hibiki8473]

Also let's not forget if the only legal way is out of print VHS's or dvd's the company gets 0 money only Amazon/ebay and the person your buying it from

[@meriokingston]

In highschool, I discovered the flash cart for the Nintendo DS. I would have never played some of my favorite games without piracy, it's a double edged blade.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Ironically for Funimation, I never would've known about that Jump Superstars game for DS without a cousin having one of those.

[@harlannguyen4048]

I wouldn't be able to play Digimon World DS and all 3 Megaman Star Force games without them.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@harlannguyen4048 People in the West couldn't experience being disappointed by Rockman EXE Operate Shooting Star either!

[@2la84me]

Same but to be fair i wouldve never played those games in a official capacity anyway unless they got rereleased.......LIKE TWEWY and ACE ATTORNEY WHICH I HAVE BOUGHT SEVERAL TIMES OVER. So if Nintendo ever let more of their cool shit out of the vault then people would buy it.

[@pachychon]

Imagine paying for anime from the western distributers and believing that you are contributing to the industry in any way besides lining western pockets. Just torrent and buy merch or blurays from japan for the series you want to support when you have money.

[@randomfox12245]

You are actively contributing more to an animation studio by buying a big tiddy anime figure than by paying for a subscription to crunchyroll. And 90% of that figures buying price goes into the pocket of the figure producer instead of the studio.

[@pachychon]

Figures specifically, depend on if the series is an adaptation of a manga or ln, if so then the rights holder would be the mangaka or author first. They'd have royalties. If its an anime original, then the studio would have those depending if they were on the production commitee. Third party distributors and the manufacturing companies take the lion's share of the cut. The thing with figures though, is that noone buying them has been guilted or tricked into believing they are supporting the industry. Like you see with crunchyroll and other streaming companies that buy licenses. Hell most western folks that buy figures get them second-hand. Most money made from merch is either through CD sales or items sold by the studio themselves. Not third parties.

[@satorukuroshiro]

As an American, that whole thing with things being unavailable also happens here, it just has less of a hit because of VPNs. Hell, I have to go to Canada on a VPN if I want to watch A Quiet Place on Netflix.

[@LoreDrake]

More companies should be like Tsuburaya. They started a KZbin channel so Ultraman can be easily accessed globally, and it's doing incredible

[@Comkill117]

I didn’t know that, but that’s actually awesome and as someone who’s like to watch Ultraman but didn’t know where to look to watch it thanks for commenting about this.

[@LoreDrake]

@@Comkill117 No prob. Just know, not 100% everything is subbed. As for the new airing season, episodes are only available for 2 weeks before getting region locked

[@falloutsearies]

I remember talking to a Viz media rep when they told me that they don't look too fondly of fan translations I remember saying to myself self "I understand but I physically cant Buy Ippo's manga or the new Kinnikuman."

[@thebiggeridiot]

i felt physically hurt when woolie said ''batman what?''...i grew up on that good shit :'(

[@TheShockVox]

WelshFool it was just a bit, don’t worry. Hell, Woolie was the one who CONVINCED Pat to watch Batman Beyond, because Pat thought it would be horrible. Surprise surprise, it was great, and Pat liked it.

[@thebiggeridiot]

@@TheShockVox Okay good XD man batman beyond was badass, that intro is still stuck in my head

[@Animedingo]

I love how the go to dinosaur to call someone old with is the stegosaurus. It's the most awkward of dinosaurs

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

Stegosaurus rules tho! now Compies, those are some doofy dinos.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Maybe I don't want to spend my money on a service I can get for free somewhere else. I don't know why this is such a big ordeal for other people. Sometimes what I want to watch isn't available.

[@woodgatejack]

I find it baffling as to why some American films still don't get a screening here in the UK until months after their US release. Growing up in the 80's (yes, I'm old) I frequently had to wait about three to six months for the newest films to come out over here. This was due to the limited number of film reels produced. We literally had to wait until the Americans had finished with them, at which point we'd get these scratched-up, skippy, second-hand movies at the theatres. Nowadays, in this time of digital medium, that isn't the case, so why are we still waiting for films (and shows?)

[@TheCallofdutyghost]

Games like Snatcher and Policenauts are only available through piracy.

[@NeutralL12]

"BuT uR nOt EnTitLeD tO PlaY iT jUsT bEcaUsE it ExiStS"

[@NeutralL12]

@DontHaveTo ListenToMe nah fuck those people who actually say that

[@NeutralL12]

@DontHaveTo ListenToMe any piracy thread on twitter

[@NeutralL12]

@DontHaveTo ListenToMe big correct

[@kenzotoda5278]

Important to mention that when a pirate site has a better or equally usable service as the official thing then it really isn't the user's fault

[@solrabbit4135]

I’m pro pirate if media is not available in your region but KissAnime sucks due to that site being a virus ridden mess and they actually do rob anime companies revenue. While Funi and Crunchyrool barely give the industry a return but they at least give something to the industry. I always say just use torrent sites over KissAnime.

[@TeamTowers1]

I'm not gonna defend Crucnhyroll, but I'm with you on using Torrent sites over Kissanime

[@SuperNuclearHamster]

Praise the cat site!

[@ew275x]

I mean Crunchyroll/Funimation have been part of production committees for anime and you can see the CR/Funi members in the credits of some anime.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

I'm pretty sure basically no one is using the KissAnime news to go "oh noooooooooooo not Kiss!" but to use it as a springboard for the piracy discussion. And to be honest, good. There are better pirate sites for anime.

[@thomasdeguzman1149]

@@ew275x the only anime that I liked that Crunchyroll produced was Tower of God

[@Jermaine2099]

Growing up, I didn't have cable or internet (early 2000s) but anime was still available on basic tv after school or on weekends. Imagine the people living like that in 2020. Anime REALLY isn't for poor people

[@punishedbung4902]

We need someone to unite the Tribes of Streaming.

[@SonikkuXenoHearts3587]

♫YOU ARE A PIRATE♫

[@pocenha]

Don't forget when companies screw clients on purpose. Now days, at least here, you can't buy music records anymore. It's all digital now, and record labels seen to be very happy with that. Last year, Whitesnake fans had to pay hundreds of bucks on the limited release of "Flesh & Blood" (only 5 thousand copies). I'm not pro piracy, but I'm also not very eager to give the little, hard earned money I have, to million/billion dollar companies that threat clients from developing country like shit.

[@ajshiro3957]

Man, Woolie mentioning that Garf Brooks, which I never heard of, and that reaction of the crowd, reminds me of when I mentioned Metroids to my sister. She's a generation behind me.

[@greenhillmario]

The only VA that had a reasonable take on this topic was Kaiji Tang

[@solrabbit4135]

Kaiji is a GOAT

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

HONK. ...Okay, he was doing that for like two days.

[@59hawks]

20:10 if it makes you guys feel better I was playing the ducktales theme 3 years ago to my cross country team to annoy them, and they had no idea what ducktales was until I told them.

[@andrewsannar5328]

My wife loves Blood+, but she had to pirate it to watch it since the series had a limited physical release and DVDs of that show go for upwards of $600. Gimme a break.

[@grahamcarpenter691]

She should have time traveled back to the mid 2000s and watched it on adult swim!

[@titansloyalist4066]

I am from a 3rd world country. I wouldn't have become a Gundam fan and started importing gunpla if it wasn't for piracy, because Gundam is just something that people don't even realize fucking exists around here. Being proud of having a service that actively puts every single barrier imaginable to access your service is the dumbest shit, and people should stop defending it because they are dumb. There is also the fact that a lot of the companies that are "legit" today started out doing shady shit. I do not have a single problem if people pirate stuff, let people pirate. People who disagree with this notion always end up looking like bootlickers that have a mindset from 50 years ago.