Casual Gamer Buys Framework Laptop

I decided to test out the gaming performance of my Framework Laptop. A lot of the complaints I've seen is that it doesn't come with a dedicated GPU. However, the way it is now is good enough for me :)
Time Stamps:
00:00 Buy The Right RAM
00:51 What I Mean By Casual Gaming
01:24 The Importance Of PPI
02:02 Resolution Scaling
03:06 Back To Crysis
04:51 What About Doom (2016)?

[@Darenz-cg9zg]

Once we get a framework laptop with a gpu it'll be perfect, they have great CPUs in them but no good option for gamers.

[@trevordp]

The usb c ports are thunderbolt so you can use an egpu.

[@BitsOfInterest]

The point I'm trying to make in the video is that you can lower resolution and quality settings without really being able to tell the difference. You can get playable framerates on 900p medium settings on integrated graphics. PS The same laptop with a dGPU would be $500-$1000 more expensive...

[@Darenz-cg9zg]

@@trevordp you could, but when was the last time you saw someone carrying an e gpu with them? They're just inconvenient. Maybe an expansion card that was made to cover the bottom of the laptop partially to fit a GPU could work.

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

@@Darenz-cg9zg There is possibility to get iGPU by having 15+inch screen because it will have space for that. Before that we can just wait for AMD 6000 gen CPU with RDNA 2 GPU, which should be twice faster GPU which is here

[@potatoshooter7773]

tbh its gonna improve framework said that if there business hits the goal they set there going to add ryzen platform and a graphics chip

[@BrianAnother]

You can add custom 3:2 resolutions in the intel display tool. They will then show up in games and other things. This is great for games that don't have separate render and display resolution handling.

[@BitsOfInterest]

I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but they removed that from the Intel Graphics Command Center. I want to keep the laptop at native and select a custom resolution in game. I ended up using a custom tool that I found on the Framework forums called CRU to make it work. community.frame.work/t/solution-to-issues-with-resolution-3-2-in-games/12743/7

[@MrGamelover23]

Does this work come Linux too?

[@approachingcalamity9403]

That Vulkan API will run on a microwaved potato. What a great API.

[@BitsOfInterest]

I hope you're not saying these CPUs are potatoes, but indeed Vulkan is pretty great, lol

[@approachingcalamity9403]

@@BitsOfInterest I'm saying that even if they were potatoes, you'd never know it with Vulkan. 👍 Great vid and awesome laptops

[@D.rhmdt0]

Got my eye on framework for a while. I mainly play games on console and only play games on laptop when travelling, mostly low poly indie games too. Wonder how it runs triple A sports games like fifa or nba2k tho, would be nice to play a quick game while waiting for my next lecture.

[@BitsOfInterest]

If you search "Intel Iris Xe Gaming" you'll get an idea. First result for me shows FIFA running around 55 FPS at 1080p low. Just be mindful that gaming typically drains your battery in an hour or so, at least it did for me with Crysis and Doom. I did not mess with any power settings so maybe you can do better.

[@v3.124]

great video!

[@BitsOfInterest]

Thanks! 👍

[@EmpireJester]

You can also do external GPUs but I hope in the future they'll do AMD CPUs and GPU that are upgradable.

[@BitsOfInterest]

The AMD mobile CPUs with RDNA2 are very nice and if the RDNA3 rumors are true, they'll double performance. That would make dedicated graphics almost unnecessary luxury items especially at the lower end :) I don't think we'll see dedicated graphics in the current configuration because the cooling solution isn't designed for it. The current design is for 28W CPUs and when you look at gaming laptops the CPU + GPU use 150W+...

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

My framework is nearly a year old and I am loving it. Haven't gamed on it yet, just casual use and personal programming. But I fully intend to buy a Framework exclusively for gaming, once my current Lenovo POS completely dies. I would rather suffer lower framerates than ever give one of those PC companies money again

[@BitsOfInterest]

If you play games that are a few years old 900p Medium will work with most games without looking like garbage. Next generation of integrated graphics is going to get close to low end GPUs likely so maybe next year you can upgrade the CPU/main board for even better performance.

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

@@BitsOfInterest beautiful. And i play old or non graphical games anyway like Skyrim and Factorio

[@BitsOfInterest]

Factorio runs at native resolution 60 FPS no problem even on my same Framework laptop from last year. I don't have Skyrim, but it's pretty old so it should also run at native resolution 60 FPS at High settings. Feel free to just try it without spending extra money ;)

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

@@BitsOfInterest thank you for checking for me, you're the best

[@stroodlepup]

how would monster hunter world?

[@Spearmint22425]

Awesome, I wanted a good indicator for if I can run fallout NV and destiny 2 on this thing, 48 FPS is good enough for me, and I probably won’t have it on ultra settings

[@BitsOfInterest]

Thanks! Good to hear it was helpful to someone ;) After I did the testing I found out that the Steam version of Crysis has some kind of frame limiter (in my case 48 FPS), that's why the FPS didn't go up while I was rendering only half the pixels. As a casual gamer I didn't feel like using some command line trickery to remove it and retest everything, LOL :p I don't play either of those games you mention, but Fallout NV is so old that you should be able to get 60 FPS on high settings on relatively high resolutions based on what I saw in Crysis. Destiny 2 is a lot more modern so I'd expect it to behave more like Doom 2016. To get to 60 FPS you'll likely have to scale down your resolution and lower your settings to Medium or High. Maybe you can find some benchmarks that have both (Edit: both Doom and Destiny 2) on the same GPU to confirm if that's true.

[@DiamonC]

You can also plug in a eGPU later

[@Spearmint22425]

@@DiamonC true true

[@Spearmint22425]

As an update project wingman plays just fine, but destiny did need a bit of tweaking to get better graphics

[@BARCH-wp5vl]

Great content

[@BitsOfInterest]

Thanks! 👍

[@LinuxPlayer9]

Wonder what it does without anti aliasing, but great video anyway

[@dkracingfan2503]

The new framework 16 has a upgradable gpu now!

[@BitsOfInterest]

I saw that too. It's coming late this year, no prices or specs yet. My guess based on similar laptops is that it will start around $1500, not $1000 for the one in this video. It's just my opinion but I think dGPUs are stupid in laptops. If you use it on battery it lasts 30 minutes. If you plug it in to game use a desktop. That's just me. PS 900p Medium rules 😉

[@iincidious]

nice vid

[@BitsOfInterest]

Cheers! 😁

[@PillayAllRounders]

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[@BitsOfInterest]

Dankie dat jy gekyk het 😁

[@robbys929]

What CPU do you have?

[@BitsOfInterest]

i5-1135G7. I made another video where I go through all the parts I chose and why: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooCrhoicr5lsn5o

[@robbys929]

@@BitsOfInterest thx

[@aionceres7086]

You probably dont get more than 48 fps because there is a setting in the intel grafics stuff which, when activated, limits the fps to 60 or 48. Usually this is selected automatically sooooo.... I think your crisis measurement might be flawed in that regard

[@BitsOfInterest]

Correct, I found that setting after publishing the video when I was adding custom resolutions. At the time it didn't make sense to me because other games weren't limited to 48 fps...

[@swift7169]

I would love to know how well Cities Skylines would play on it

[@BitsOfInterest]

I have that game, what would you want to know? What causes it to struggle, big maps? Zooming in?

[@BitsOfInterest]

Ok, I haven't played in years, but found an old save game with 30k population. The game defaulted to 1600*900 with quality set to high. It runs 30 fps zoomed out and 15 fps minimum when zoomed in staring down a boulevard with a busy metro station. I tried higher resolutions but it wouldn't hit 30 fps unless I lower the quality settings. Shadows are a pretty big deal in making the game look good, so I'm not changing those. If you're ok with medium shadows, textures and details you can do 30 fps on 1920*1080.

[@bendybam9630]

low fps is completely playable for that game, however you should invest in at least 32gb of ram if you want it to be playable once you have a larger city with a larger population

[@swift7169]

@@bendybam9630 awesome thanks i do plan on getting 64 gb of ram so that should help

[@maxtornogood]

It's a good sign that a Framework Laptop can indeed, run Crysis!

[@mrnobody.4069]

Hay at least it can game may not be the best machine for the job but it can do it but it's also upgradable so who knows what may come in the future. 30 and 40 FPS in my opinion is plenty on a machine like that but it did more with pretty decent graphics in terms of the settings and FPS which means it outperformed my expectations!

[@BitsOfInterest]

If you tweak a few settings you can get 60 fps on it, like you can get with most lower end hardware. You can't really tell the difference in resolution and quality most of the time.

[@mrnobody.4069]

@@BitsOfInterest indeed it is very possible to get quite a bit out of what some people would consider pathetic hardware Iris XE graphics I've seen (not experienced) can be decent once you got your settings optimized, on the Framework some people do complain about overheating but any average Joe could just 3D print a new body with more vents and their own modifications just poke holes in the case!

[@SnickterP]

Beam NG run?

[@BitsOfInterest]

Sorry, I don't have BeamNG. Hopefully someone that reads this does.

[@TheKillerman3333]

minecraft?

[@BitsOfInterest]

Sorry, I don't have that, but I'm sure it will run on anything. I mean, if it can do Crysis and Doom, that shouldn't be a problem.

[@TheKillerman3333]

@@BitsOfInterest minecraft can run on anything, normally, but nothing haz been able to contain it. you are able to crash server racks using minecraft. Even on a 3080 you can go from 180fpz dovn to 30. Thiz iz vhy i am azking for minecraft to be the bench mark.

[@weixinyuan3727]

Or just use egpu. Shrug.

[@BitsOfInterest]

If you already have one, sure, use it. The point of the video is to show you don't need one to game on this laptop (or similar ones for that matter) with decent frames...