Casual Girlfriend of Samuel Bankman-Fried Rapidly Turns on Him | Caroline Ellison Case Analysis

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[@HtPt]

2 Little kids owned the biggest candy store and they eat it all , end of story .

[@johngibson2884]

That's the best analogy yet

[@cd2888]

You left out the part about a bunch of weird nerd sex.

[@HtPt]

@@cd2888 yes Candy 2.0

[@Claytone-Records]

Nicknamed Hoover and Eureka.

[@rachelgooden9981]

😂

[@davidwilliamson8502]

How someone could go from “112 years in prison” to serving no jail time, simply for cooperating, is beyond me.

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

Maybe because 112 years was never considered just and is used only a scare tactic all by design.

[@phillawrence5148]

One of the more hateful "justice" systems on the planet. An utter disgrace.

[@dopecat4012]

Jews rarely see prison time.

[@spinfish1434]

She will do 5 years and he will do 15-20..

[@yakojjy]

When they say "facing 112 years", that's basically if she was found guilty of all charges and given the maximum sentence for each crime. Keep in mind that most of which have a minimum of no jail time.

[@SandyRiverBlue]

Four years out of college and they made her a CEO. If you didn't know that this was suspicious, now you know.

[@Bustermachine]

ANYONE becoming a CEO of anything more complex than their startup taco stand business before their mid 30s is suspicious as heck. A small startup providing some novel/niche/unique service on a small scale. Sure, I might believe that, a multi billion dollar investment fun, hell no! XD

[@anthonystone2089]

This is what happens when people think they are smarter then they really are.

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

And mistake knowledge for wisdom.

[@thepunisher2988]

and when stupid people think they can get rich quick

[@Waverlyduli]

The difference between 'then' versus 'than' in a sentence like this is a totally different outcome. Which did you actually intend, 'then' or 'than'?

[@Hollylivengood]

@@thepunisher2988 They did. That money is still there. She's convicted, but she fully cooperated admitted to everything, and through her partner under the bus. Probably won't serve time, or maybe a year or two. Come out and al those millions will be in whatever holding company she hid them in. That's...genius.

[@anthonystone2089]

@pyropulse7932 These people though they could take the depositors money and use it to make trades and investments without any one finding out. If they where good traders they would have remained solvent and no one would have to know that they did.

[@jreds79]

I originally thought this woman was 12.

[@Menstral]

12 ...and 64 at the same time, similar to the faces of children in medieval paintings. The juxtaposition of her 13yo skin and youthful body, but then she has elderly facial features. (your nose and ears grow your entire life, and she has a larger nose and ears)

[@whydoineedahandle406]

That would add some charges to SBF.

[@witheredserenity3183]

Probably why he went for her

[@paulheydarian1281]

@Aries GosserOW 😏😂🤣 Maybe Sam should've converted and become a Catholic priest.

[@testboga5991]

Mentally - yes

[@PoorRick]

I was convinced Dr Grande recorded a years worth of videos ahead of time to provide this kind of content, but now I’m convinced he’s an alien

[@PoorRick]

Keep up the great work 👊

[@serif392]

👊👊

[@pennylane176]

I think Dr Grande should do a video about HIS videos.

[@jamaaldavis6243]

@@pennylane176 This is a great idea

[@gailkelly4651]

Poor Rick....did you ever think that maybe you are an alien.,👽

[@fullmetal_neet2288]

The shame of this story is that people like Caroline won’t face the proper consequences for stealing all the money that they did.

[@johnlittle2406]

Pity that people believe in Crypto nonsense ,,I invest my money in Magic Beans ,Its a much safer bet to be sure ,,

[@SirenaSpades]

If Caroline is half as smart about money as she should be, money is hidden elsewhere.

[@abseiduk]

@@SirenaSpades There's at least 1000 people behind them... $8 billion was not spent by two t-shirt wearing spotty faced kids for sure.

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

Yes, it's likely she won't serve a day. But get caught with an ounce of weed in the wrong location and she could do 10 years.,

[@mjanny6330]

@Chester Wilberforce walking into a government building with the wrong political opinion and you'll go to jail in the US too. And unlike the weed story, you don't need a bunch of other crimes to go with it.

[@andreasrau2161]

Good morning, Dr. Grande! I think it is sufficient to say that Caroline got to the judge first, pleaded guilty to everything and will probably turn state's evidence on Samuel and, in return, won't go to jail. She played the odds and won. It is also clear that they were a pair of con artists, no matter how they wanted to dress things up.

[@sebsebski2829]

I feel like Sam was emotionally invested in her. That's why he wasn't first.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

This is how women roll, zero loyalty and don't give the slightest shit about doing what's right, first and foremost in their mind is, "What benefits ME? I'm doing that!" They'll hang with a guy that is knowingly destroying people, enjoy all the benefits, and then play the babe-in-the-woods routine when busted, "I felt coerced, I was afraid to leave, blah blah blah..." All too often, the judicial system follows the old stereotype that chicks don't lie or commit crimes, it's always the guy who is the ringleader and did all the wrongdoing.

[@chainman1]

Additionally, it’s also likely that she maintains access to a number of cold storage wallets

[@flaccidego4291]

Damian Williams, lead prosecutor for the southern district of New York, has said they will seek significant prison time for all defendants. So SBF is looking at least 30 years & the cooperators (rats) are looking at about 4 years which is what would be reasonable for cooperating participants in this case. They will in no way walk free. There were cooperating defendants who plead guilty in the Enron scandal & they all went to prison, all be it for less time because of their cooperation. Pleading guilty is not a get out of free jail card, otherwise all participants in a criminal scheme who just spill the beans about a fraudulent company will never pay for their crimes. Whoever is speculating that these admitted criminals will receive no prison time for their participation in what Mr Williams called "The greatest financial fraud in history" doesn't understand what they are talking about here in these types of financial fraud cases. 40 years ago, nearly everyone would walk free in a case of financial fraud but now the tables have really turned & now a white collar financial fraud criminal will do much more time than an armed robber & that's because these white collar unarmed robbers are perpetrating this robbery every single day over many years. So not only will the 2 rats receive "significant prison sentences" but according to Mr Williams, there will be many more indictments coming.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

@@flaccidego4291 I hope so, that needs to happen.

[@markcarey67]

On the ACDS (Ambient Cacti and Dry Sarcasm) scale I would say Dr Grande is in the 99% percentile although I am not diagnosing anyone here...

[@crystalairgood9845]

Underrated comment!

[@Violexie-wb7op]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nonofinn7136]

I tend to agree.

[@laurastuart3814]

Is Todd Grande Mexican?

[@rebeccacarraway480]

SPOT ON!!

[@kgfes]

I wonder why she looks like a high-school nerd yet she is almost 30 years old. She and SBF looked so eccentric yet somehow believable to investors

[@charsback]

She had a lot of oral experience..

[@audralynn7454]

The youthful, nerdy look is enticing to young investors, bitcoin has a lot of young investors. Perhaps that's why.

[@nimeryaspawnbrd1049]

That's something I don't get... Maybe it's me, I'm in my 40s so my openness to experiences peaked 2 decades ago 😜, but I'd rather have someone (way) less eccentric than a stoned college kid handling my money...

[@NicE-jq3wv]

“Eccentric” is an interesting way of describing

[@KarlMarxFanClub]

Eccentric simply means you’re a social weirdo.

[@tollpatschny3346]

She looks like the girl in class who reminds the teacher to assign homework

[@NeverFinishAnythi]

The fact that Caroline might not spend any time in prison is BS

[@monkeytimestamps4915]

Why are her ears so low on her head

[@petec223]

how you delivered the "bankman will be freed" line with a straight face is beyond me hahaha

[@abseiduk]

They were just 'fall guys'... there's probably at least 1000 people involved.

[@curseoftheegglady]

Oh good, someone else heard him say that, not just me 🤣

[@lawrencefeldman7744]

I saw the edit after that line!

[@2packrm781]

Man, I don't know if it was a burn, a write off, a gaslight, the pun, or the best punchline (ever), but it was the best thing to hear him say it in the most hilarious way 😆😂🤣

[@greenfacere210]

Your voice is so relaxing, and your videos are a part of my bedtime routine. Thank you, Dr. Grande

[@alena5484]

Lol same here

[@gailkelly4651]

Yes he has a very soothing voice.🕊️

[@mrjames8050]

@@alena5484 Literally the last thing I do before I go to bed!

[@4elizabeth]

Sadly, same lol

[@MoonWomanStudios]

That voice got me through bed rest with my high risk pregnancy

[@NaaSippingMocha]

'No telling when the Bank-man will be Freed' - the word play alone gives me Pure Joy ❤️❤️❤️ Happy New year Dr Grande ♥️

[@monicaingram2970]

What collar crime seems to pay big. They will never, ever serve one day in jail.

[@silentype3008]

Reminds me of “Bernie made off with your money and he’s not coming back,”

[@welcometosemeticpalestine]

I cannot imagine destroying peoples lives by stealing all of their money. They did the opposite of altruism.

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

A character from one of A. Sapkowsky's "The Witcher" books named Zoltan once said (paraphrasing) "I am almost pathological altruist I couldn't help myself but do good in the world since I was a child. However at some point in time I noticed the world is too big and Im just one person so the good I do divided all over the world practically disappears and nobody feels it. So I started doing good to a much smaller group of people meaning myself and closest friends and boy do we feel the effects of altruism now."

[@Koozomec]

Hi, Zoltan and Jaskier's duo :D I've visited Bouillon, nice medieval city.

[@Torgo1969]

Subsidiarity FTW. Charity begins at home.

[@rosomak8244]

Szpakowski.

[@monkeytimestamps4915]

“...boy do we feel the effects of altruism now.” This last line kills me. Being completely unfamiliar with The Witcher, I think got a clear picture of what you were trying to paraphrase so thanks.

[@whydoineedahandle406]

Next question, who let a 9 year old run a company?

[@samgoff5289]

I am wondering how people can be so stupid to give money to these people...

[@rockroll3983]

a 12 year old of coarse

[@joaoportesantava1412]

Hahaha

[@iliketacos6067]

hahah bro good one bro. yea his balls havent even dropped yet hahahahhahaha

[@vixxxenfoxxx3660]

She looks so old yet so much like a kid at the same time...with a sprinkle of troll in there somewhere.

[@kayokay470]

I read an article talking about how Caroline wrote harem fanfiction of herself and SBF on Tumblr. She wrote that her ideal man would have the power to crumble world economies... Sounds like they're just crazy nerds who got way too much power and money.

[@JeffCaplan313]

💯 Now imagine what the folks with REAL power must think about the world, if these two thought that and did so well, so young.

[@MrLlk14]

She wrote about systemic exploitation and "to be a good person is to burn the system to the ground...even if it requires a substantial decrease in the global standards of living". She was a Socialist. So she was in a win-win situation. Her wealth - some were allegedly stolen from FTX/Alameda - helped her fund effective altruism (which in reality funds Left wing causes). And when her risky bets helped sink the company, she destroyed the wealth of many and helped put a dent in the system, but not quite destroy it.

[@elleblue07]

@@MrLlk14 A downside to Caroline and SBF's philosophy is that plenty of ordinary people invested with them.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

@pyropulse well Putin is currently trying that but unfortunately for him, he sucks at it.

[@Adiscretefirm]

They certainly caused some people's worlds to crumble.

[@TheDramacist]

"How boring it is not to be high on drugs." Amen

[@dopecat4012]

Enjoy your drug use, in your 30s you will be so numb towards everything you will beg for death.

[@Big_Tex]

I’m so old I remember when “effective altruism” was just called “Philanthropy” and people have been doing it since the dawn of civilization

[@KarlMarxFanClub]

Philanthropy is a scam that rich people play on the naive.

They're not the same

[@chapel5006]

EA is way stupider and also a scam.

[@chapel5006]

@@cht2162 "Effective altruism" is not altruism. EA is a justification for hoarding wealth under the idea that people who are best able to earn money should do so to whatever extent they can, because people who are able to make lots of money are best equipped to figure out the best way to donate it or the best use of those resources. It's how you get Elon Musk trying to stop AI instead of feeding hungry people. It's all a giant scam. Altruism is just a normal moral philosophy, EA is not really altruistic anyway, it's at best utilitarian.

[@hiimjustin8826]

Ok CHT2 now explain effective altruist.

[@tmcurly]

“The Bankman will ever be Freed.” 😹😹🙊 Professor Todd Grande ~ 2023 ☝🏽🙈

[@hellomyfriends9740]

That's Doc to you sir lol

[@corumuk67]

Considering the very real and potentially devastating losses experienced by retail traders, it would be very disappointing if she didn't serve at least 10 years, and a lot more for SBF.

[@roginutah]

If there are no consequences, the crimes will continue.

[@albertgrant1017]

Even though she assisted the Prosecution the seriousness of her crimes means she should serve some time in prison, !

[@denome3725]

I have found this channel recently when looking into the FTX situation out of curiosity and i have to say that i am extremely happy with the finding. The natural way of explaining combined with the calm voice and the highly intellectual experience makes this whole content to be unbelievably soothing. I have never thought that i am going to enjoy the analysis about FTX so much. Thank you.

[@XanderShiller]

It's impressive how 1 can simultaneously look 12 and 68yo?

[@Davilla888]

Nailed it!

[@barneyronnie]

Master of disguise .... and disgust.

[@mjanny6330]

A diet of pharmaceutical drugs, energy drinks and all night gaming sessions.

[@LivingLifeOutWest]

😲😲😲😲😲😲😳😳😳😳😳😂😂

[@mc26collum]

These two are extra despicable, cause they could've put their talent to a good use and still be successful. They had a choice and chose evil.

[@shitmandood]

She got duped into the get rich quick scheme

[@susiex6669]

@@shitmandood She didnt get duped. She knew what she was doing.

[@Cody-pc7nh]

Their talent was lying and scamming.. tf you mean

[@alisharay8462]

Sometimes, people that are extremely smart never fail and thus, always believe they have extra time to fix things. Arrogance, essentially, they think they're better than others because of their intelligence

[@brianb7869]

Don't start trouble. Don't start evil.

[@alostbard]

One of the greatest fallacies of our society is believing that being smart is equivalent to being a good person, when in fact it is usually the opposite. All of the greatest examples of human suffering were orchestrated by what were widely considered to be the smartest of us all.

[@mcdibbern9919]

The expression “ too clever for their own good” comes to mind.

[@JimmyClabots]

It’s good to see Caroline was making good use of those math skills LMAO. Doc throws in these great one liner punches all without cracking a smile 😀

[@DMalltheway]

What math skills?

[@orionxtc1119]

Goes to show a maths ability does not equate to honesty or real smarts

[@bababoeythehorsemen8462]

@@orionxtc1119 it mean she is hypoctric because she likes altrueism but she just doing the opposite thing

[@silversobe]

Meth skills

[@tonysplace9255]

She was the office whore for everybody. It was all dudes except for her living in that house lol They were tearin it up! lmao

[@gregkamer3754]

There's an old Arab proverb "The first camel to the trough drinks the sweetest water" . Caroline won the race.

[@cecilyerker]

I mean, she does look like a camel 🐪 🐫

[@jessepitt]

Yup, everyone else drank camel shit.

[@Catlily5]

To prison?

[@supercoolyguy]

@@Catlily5 🎃 Muhahahaa 🎃

[@swisstrader]

She won nothing in her life. Except a couple HS math competitions 😂

[@chazegeyer7151]

What’s amazing is this man destroyed many everyday people not just the rich and yet his family was able to come up with extraordinary bail.

[@susansandler8429]

Damn, you are brilliant! Your analysis is multi-layered and nuanced. And yet, you are able to explain complex ideas in human speak. What a gift! Lots to think about.

[@bariizlam638]

despicable woman! i really dislike people who squanders other people's money and us it to enjoy a lavish lifestyle while lying to the investors about their money! pathetic... i hope she gets jail time!

[@SF-eo6xf]

She won't go to jail.

[@ruthlessreid9172]

Women are treated like children in court especially when testifying against men.

[@hiimjustin8826]

Unfortunately for SBF she got to the authorities first. The doe-eyed act will likely serve her well.

[@michaelstollairetbarceo3287]

It's historically proven women tend to get less time for financial related crimes. I'd be surprised if she got 10 years, which is already very low.

[@PungiFungi]

@@michaelstollairetbarceo3287 the Theranos case proved it. The bleach blonde fembot got 11 years while the short scary brown man gets 13.

[@tod3msn]

My take is that both Caroline and Samuel were bright well connected and motivated young people who talked a good game but when push came to shove they collapsed under the weight of their own malarkey. In other words, they had too much too soon and dazzled everyone with their intelligence but lacked competence in the field of their endeavor. They remind me of the “Peter Principle” that people rise to the level of their incompetence.

[@thewkovacs316]

motivated to make money and rip people off

[@PoorRick]

And my take is that you don’t know what an oxford comma is 😂

[@grimslade0]

Well, I sure hope they don't get tried as adults! Those silly, "young", 30 year old scamps.

[@rtos]

Despite all that talk about altruism they both had no moral compass...

[@tod3msn]

@@PoorRicksome style guides recommend the Oxford comma and some don’t but what you don’t know is being gracious to others and not needing to appear pompous.😅

[@ninalower9]

Their appreciation for art, was not for beauty, it’s because that’s the best way to launder the money stolen from their customers!!

[@mjanny6330]

That's all the art industry is about.

[@contentperfection]

I love your channel. Your thorough analysis on each subject is eye opening, and your voice has a soothing quality.

[@scasey1960]

Makes you question the parenting skills of Ivy League professors.

[@albertgrant1017]

Well stated !

[@audralynn7454]

What I learned from this video is that I practice ineffective altruism. All I do is help people, and I really enjoy helping people, but I never seem to get rich. In fact, quite the opposite, as I seem to be giving everyone my time and/or money. So, I help them, but never seem to be able to do or make enough to help more than a few people at a time. Thank you Dr. Grande.

[@richard8242]

There was a lot of talk about math in this video. So if some of the people you help go on to help other people, and some of them carry on the work.. etc. Thank You for your Good And Faithful work

[@hiimjustin8826]

I believe this effect is known as "being lonely up on my cross"

[@stefanforrer2573]

and i learned that my initial assessment of effective altruism was correct.... it's just another "hey look at me, i'm saving the world! now give me your money!" scam

[@Violexie-wb7op]

Same. Teacher here, especially felt the 'never seem to get rich' part lol

[@nmartin5551]

@@hiimjustin8826oooh! Great shot whether or not it’s true.

[@CorporateNPC]

I think it's naive to say that these guys are geniuses. They're just a couple of smug rich kids who happened to have the right scam at the right time. A genius wouldn't be caught in such an obvious scheme.

[@sunnycatc6491]

I agree; also the definition of "genius" is fluid. I've known people with computer-type brains, and that's usually the extent of their personality. I'm curious about the source of that study that shows "geniuses" appreciate beauty, etc. People with new money buy what they think they should, i.e. art, property etc.

[@EpicMathTime]

He's speaking technically, not colloquially complimenting them.. they are geniuses in the literal, textbook, technical definition.

[@CorporateNPC]

@@EpicMathTime disagree. Einstein and Tesla are geniuses in the "literal" sense. These are two normal kids who had parents rich enough to get them the best education in the country.

[@dasmuss6174]

@@sunnycatc6491 gender fluid?

[@sunnycatc6491]

@@CorporateNPC Seems to me their parents were more connected than rich. They're all intelligent, but that's no excuse for major fraud and thievery.

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

Buying art can be a way to show off or to appear in positive light. Not just a way to appreciate art. Especially if the art just so happens to be quite expensive.

[@mjanny6330]

It's also a great way to launder money.

[@kmrapanmedia3176]

​@@mjanny6330 I wS going to make exactly that comment

[@darrincase1013]

Dr. Grande's insight as always is thought provoking, witty and concise. Without being pretentious. A soothing, almost intoxicating voice. A confident self assurance. And very handsome. As usual Dr. Grande delivers the full package.

[@louisfriend7388]

At least she still has her looks.

[@Big_Tex]

I mean, not GOOD looks …

[@mungodegrijalva822]

And her seductive smile & super sexy glasses! I like her (to go to jail).

[@NicE-jq3wv]

😂

[@stonesmcgee1666]

🤣🤣🤣

[@thebushbunker]

Her ers are low huh

[@Oneofcorporalemmastwomoms]

The bank man won’t be freed. You never disappoint Dr.Grande!!

[@Z.November]

I just hope that girl has a good therapist because it would take a very strong person to read the comments about her looks especially and come out okay.

[@batacumba]

lol I feel you but nobody would’ve come for her looks like they are if she hadn’t defrauded and stole a shitton of money from people. Guess that’s her cross to bear, don’t be ugly and commit crimes unless you want your ugliness to be discussed ad infinitum. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@monicaingram2970]

I agree.

[@mjanny6330]

I don't, she earned it.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Maybe she can get on that again some prescription drugs...

[@taratownsend6408]

Looks? What looks?

[@EdugeBDroN]

When anxiety gets in my way I come here to listen. Dr. Grande's speech, tone & pace seem to soothe it away. I wonder if that is natural or part of his training ....it reminds me of my sister reading me stories when I was a child...fascinating

[@orls9068]

​@@BonusHole Maybe he just got better at presenting, trained himself to convey his message better, I used to be bad at presentations I got better over time, trained myself to talk a bit slower and not rush through and not let nerves get to me

[@oldwelshlady6584]

@@BonusHole he's always sounded like this!!!?? What are you on about?

[@Cec9e13]

So many KZbin presenters speak very quickly in an effort to make a longer video fit an algorithm-friendly length. I hate that. I wish everyone stuck to this speed, it is so much easier to focus, comprehend, and enjoy.

[@Milkugh]

I do the same !

[@annemariestones3984]

I get anxious before work so find myself drawn to these videos before I go. It must be to do with the voice as don't think it's the subject matters!

[@goofusmaximus1482]

Does Dr. Grande use a food dehydrator? Or does his sense of humor do the job even better?

[@a.jlondon9039]

A lot of FTX investors didn't know they were investing in crypto. Many pension funds invested in FTX and the people paying into those pensions had no idea where their money was going.

[@abnormalmissionary3983]

I think John Ray said it very well about the FTX group. FTX Group’s collapse appears to stem from the absolute concentration of control in the hands of a very small group of grossly inexperienced and unsophisticated individuals who failed to implement virtually any of the systems or controls that are necessary for a company that is entrusted with other people’s money or assets. John Ray. This is simple embezzlement. FTX didn’t fail. The money didn’t disappear. They spend it on themselves and believed their political connections would protect them.

[@jnaiden2519]

I worked non profit for 10 years. I saw so many people like this who think money is the answer but have never actually done anything. They talk a big game but ultimately are only out for self aggrandizement and their own social promotion

[@adamb2216]

His woodland elf has turned on him

[@HDtothe8]

This deadpan style of humour gets me every time! I'd be listening intently for one moment and burst out laughing the next!! Bravo Dr. Grande👏👏😄

[@andrewryanwasright]

“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it” H. L. Mencken

[@swisstrader]

How did this woman go from a junior trader at Jane St to managing billions of dollars at age 28? Completely nuts

[@jamesmcdougal2]

the v

[@monicaingram2970]

White privilege.

[@mjanny6330]

"Family connections"

[@jamesmcdougal2]

@@monicaingram2970 I dont think they consider themselves white. Look at the last name. You may be intellectually challenged

[@tylere.8436]

Favors... 😏

[@maddieadams75]

😂 “Caroline trying to collect the whole set of conspiracies related to financial crimes”. 😂 😂😂😂

[@aymanabdellatief1572]

Both Caroline and SBF look like characters out of some Sci Fi fantasy. SBF looks like a hobbit from Lord of the Rings and Caroline looks like something out of Harry Potter.

[@Benjaminleo815]

She looks like Dobbie

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

*In case you ever wondered what happened to the red sweatshirt girl from Hills Have Eyes..*

[@terrenlee4616]

That dude had all that money & this woman was his "casual girlfriend" 🙄🤦🏻🤣

[@lincbond442]

Interesting how those who claim to be the most altruistic turn out being the most corrupt.

[@lnc-to4ku]

They both could have had such promising futures with those brains but instead made terrible choices deceiving many people. Very interesting video, Dr. Grande!

[@samgoff5289]

They both seem stupid af to me...

[@hiimjustin8826]

It's great they struck out on their own instead of working for a paycheck. Just needed to stop short of committing any crimes whoops

[@Jimmy911ism]

How did they deceive people? How exactly did they do this? I'm seeing only business mistakes, with the girl pleading guilty to get a light sentence. I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering how they've broken the law.

[@hiimjustin8826]

@@Jimmy911ism There's a lot of really good explanations on this from people like Legal Eagle or Patrick Boyle if you're interested. In summary: FTX loaned customer funds to Alameda research (a "separate" company" which it wasn't supposed to do. There was other stuff, but if you really want to understand the whole picture and why that was so bad, there are a ton of summaries out there.

[@dt9327]

Let's just said their math is off.

[@GeorgideMarne]

Being in the Top 500 in a math contest does not mean they were geniuses. 500 ?? Get real... they presented themselves as geniuses, that's another story.. 2 crooks.

[@BucketHeadianHagg]

Wow! I actually gasped when I jumped into this upload and saw how nice Dr Grande looks today! Dr Todd in the studio making magic with his nicely groomed hair and strawberries and cream button up shirt, while Mrs Grande is somewhere in the other part of the house improving on their investments and being a good friend and helpmate. Life is so good when you allow it to be 🥰

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

When I can’t sleep and get a Grande notification, I do flips down the hallway 🤣

[@LaniLanilei]

Lol

[@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202]

OH MY GOD.. WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER FACE?!

[@MC-qb1jg]

Caroline should also be held accountable for her part in stealing money from investors. Regardless of whether her telling the truth. That's just the right thing to do.

[@lisasaims3007]

I find it extremely interesting as there’s no mention of the benefactors in this video! Tells a lot

[@dissidentfairy4264]

I feel that a person can be a collector of art and beauty and into magical and be technically open to experience but still have the wisdom to be cautious and retain their integrity, and like a good game of chess make all the right moves.

[@cecilyerker]

That’s openness to experience with high conscientiousness.

[@rebeccacarraway480]

Buuuuuut she wasn’t…🤷🏻‍♀️

[@mykelc205]

Look who God give dem greed n glutinous nature to.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@@mykelc205 Huh?

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

I agree. I'd love to know what values were instilled in her by her math nerd parents, if any. Sometimes really bright kids have the path smoothed for them and feel like they don't operate by the same rules as us folks,.

[@nickmandleberg]

"Effective Altruism" another modern day self absorbed meaningless term 🙄

[@cinnamon--girl]

Thanks, Dr. Grande. I always appreciate your insights. Best to you for the new year.

[@MrJmanrey]

“There’s no telling when the Bankman will be fried.” Good one. Got a chuckle out of that one.

[@lawrencee1113]

Hopefully, when I become a Billionaire, or Multi Millionaire, I will be able to get a Gal like Caroline!

[@Catlily5]

So she can rob you?

[@Catlily5]

@@lawrencee1113 If you say so. She'd still rob you.

[@curtiskretzer8898]

You better layer those accounts w/pre nuptial agreements, multiple firewalls & passwords.

[@taratownsend6408]

🤣🤣🤣

[@AxelordSMIJES]

Love the new studio and, of course, the content. Keep up the awesome work, Doc! Wanted to add - When Dr G said "Drug use is also associated with being high in openness to experience", that ever-so-slight pause between the words 'high' and 'in openness' got me. I thought he was about to drop the ultimate wordplay on us lol 😆

[@hydropeppers]

Dr. G is quick with the word, YT always giving the nice gem channels!

[@SaltyCwgrl]

6:51 "The Bank Man may never be freed". 🤣 Good one Doc.... your dry quick humor always makes me smile".

[@TheGregcawthorne]

"They were somehow special" - One of Dr Grandes ultimate takedowns.

[@Tcoldsteel]

Hypocrites gonna hypocrite.

[@I_Love_my_adblock4408]

🙋🏾‍♂️ The girl looks like she's twelve. 😳

[@peteredwards338]

Greta syndrome ?

[@cathybenadaro]

I was thinking 8.

[@lincbond442]

She looks like that girl in grade school with the annoying habit of picking her nose.

[@48mastadon]

So a scheme involving the trading of imaginary money turned out to be a scam? Never would have seen that coming.

[@Nancie6290]

Exactly ! Let’s get back to the basics people . Gold , silver , oil . And actual commodities that are real not imaginary . Just fast talkers .

[@Aashka_The_Mystic]

It disturbs me that they were both into effective altruism yet scammed so many people out of their money. Either that was a facade they were trying to maintain in order to look like good people, or they became corrupted by money and greed.

[@keysaysassah]

I know it’s illogical but I’ve always had some anger towards people like them. I grew up so poor with poor parents, well really just one parent who wanted to be in my life and I always looked at people who had educated, well-off parents, in a stable home with a decent chance at life as somehow better than me. I felt excited for what they could achieve but I now see that some of them just throw away all they are given 😭 why?! It’s frustrating to me 😂

[@GSP-76]

I'd rather be an honest poor person than a rich scumbag thief...these people live tortured lives... nothing to be jealous of.

[@grammiesspirit2667]

🌹

[@Jimmy911ism]

What exactly did they do? How have they defrauded investors?

[@alienautopsy9326]

It is a big mystery

[@JeffCaplan313]

Eat the rich.

[@abiudjoseph6136]

Their grandiosity led them to believe they were somehow special, like the Chrisleys.

[@artawhirler]

The reason "openness to experience" drops off after our 20's is because we remember some of the things we were open to in our 20's.

[@emilycorwith1119]

lol

[@donalddepew9605]

What she and her cronies did was terrible, but if I were in her shoes, I'd be singing like a bird to the Feds also. You nailed it!

[@ant_life_4ever]

It’s like the cast of Big Bang Theory went rogue lol😂

[@trax72]

Funny how someone that's supposedly so good at math couldn't calculate the risk of getting caught.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Had the the crypto bubble continue, their leveraged investment would pay off and they would be cherished as geniuses and everyone would most likely overlook some accounting irregularities...

[@heisensaul5538]

how is it possible she looks like shes both 12 and 40 at the same time?

[@fivespeed3026]

Steal a car and spend years in jail. Steal a billion dollars and stab your partner in the back and walk free. Nice.

[@mjanny6330]

Lol no. Steal a car and you get a suspended sentence at worst. Unless you've been committing crimes all your life. I love how people always forget these things called prior convictions when they mention long sentences.

[@fivespeed3026]

@@mjanny6330 People who steal cars generally are criminals with multiple arrests, so no I didn’t forget anything. In fact, I doubt there are very many car thieves with clean records.

[@jessicantina]

How many takes did you need to say "There's no telling when the Bankman will ever be Freed" without breaking?

[@HolldollMcG]

I'll always chaff at the fact that murders, rapist, and child abusers continually get less prison time than people who commit financial crimes.

[@mjanny6330]

Like who?

[@mattyburrito3819]

I love your content and your humor Dr. Grande. been a long time listener.

[@michaelaurban4120]

They were so smart, that they were (gasp!) DUMB . . . imagine that!

[@JustineBrownsBookshelf]

Steer clear of people who tell you their first priority is to “change the world”.

[@roadrunner9622]

One important element of Effective Altruism, is the idea that you spend your productive years amassing as much money as you can, and THEN you give it to charity. This may explain the contradiction that they were blowing enormous sums on luxury, while claiming to be altruistic. "We can always give later!"

[@WileyCylas]

I have dyscalculia/numerical issues. She would either be my worst enemy or best friend

[@rebeccacarraway480]

Sounds interesting. Gonna have to Google it.

[@Shawn-ik9zd]

Me too but fore some reason I can pretty much guesstimate most basic math equations I think of numbers like a 6th grader , but give me crazy numbers with money and I can add that up , as a child I would come up with the right answers but then the teacher would complain because I found a way to get the answer with a formula that they said was incorrect, it's nice to know I'm not alone....

[@jazzfeline5970]

@Omnipotent Mama Every self-proclaimed "empath" I've met are nothing of the sort, and tend to be emotionally unstable and pretentious.

[@babblingalong7689]

I just have issues in general.

[@rebeccacarraway480]

@@jazzfeline5970 HA! Omg 😱 🤣

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

This was a very interesting analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤

[@pitdicted]

The smirk on SBF's face says it all. So sick of these types screwing over everyone else. Put him open population once he goes to prison.

[@roxannestahl2596]

I think she is more devious than he is and needs to serve time, too! He made attempts to try to “fix” his mistakes (although very badly). She, on the other hand, throws him under the bus to avoid punishment. I bet once court documents come out, most of the issues were probably HER idea.

[@PeteC62]

Fix his mistakes, or cover his crimes? My feeling is that he was desperately trying to keep FTX going long enough to get some more capital to plug the holes that he and his co-criminals had created with the misappropriation of customers' funds. Like all Ponzi-type schemes, though, it was doomed to fail anyway.

[@ev25zv]

Lol. He didn't do anything to fix anything. He was bullshitting and you fell for it. All of them were trying to save their own asses. She chose the game theory optimal solution and will get a 90% shorter sentence.

[@fury5500]

You are only saying that because she was a woman. All she was really guilty of was working a job she wasn't qualified for, sbf is the true fraud in this.

[@ev25zv]

@@fury5500 Roxanne is probably crushing on SBF and thus putting aside reality. Don't know what your deal is because Caroline was definitely complicit in the fraud.

[@lizawake614]

Took a little bit to warm up to Dr. Grande. Appreciate his analysis and dry sense of humor.

[@lizawake614]

@@stephenabbott7259 I have been watching the news ones as well and I can tell.

[@sooty3000]

Just listen to how he delivers each burn. Such ferocity adorned with truth.

[@claudinejames7731]

For two incredibly intelligent, well educated people they sure made a lot of mistakes. Thanks Dr. Grande for this intriging story!

[@mjanny6330]

Everything went according to plan. It just wasn't there plan.

[@Seeker12x12]

When you want to change the world but the world needs you to change yourself.

[@bthomson]

For some reason this comment made me read it several times! Work on yourself before you try to help others? Smart move!

[@SirenaSpades]

Except they never did what they promised.

[@martyal]

“She may not spend any time in prison.” There may be some people who want her out on the street so she’s accessible.

[@Katkiwi25]

Money-making talent will always find a way out of prison

[@tinamartina1801]

@@Katkiwi25 not always, sometimes others do that for them

[@SirenaSpades]

@@Katkiwi25 She never made money.

[@goneprivate2714]

@The BootyBandit Madoff avoided the hitman from the mob by staying in lockup

[@ivagreen11]

Wait a second... If SBF has to go to jail, Caroline also should... I think all of them knew what they were doing...