Hello! Another opener guide from me to you, to help expediate the process of learning your Rogue in Cataclysm Classic!
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@studzi78924 ай бұрын
Glad to see you back bro, used to watch you a lot.
@slayttrain70284 ай бұрын
perfect timing for these vids ! gettin stoked for cata
@skar42764 ай бұрын
Good stuff mate! Trying to get into rogue pvp, this is very helpful. Keep em coming
@dcruize3 ай бұрын
Many thanks, I'm an old school rogue who's come back for cata and I've apparently forgotten everything - especially starting with recup already up!
@carloscorpus546319 күн бұрын
Getting back into pvp I would like to see a gear video. at least the basics. this helped me a lot.
@flutta_4 ай бұрын
the king is back! keen to see your cata rogue arc
@AlexisValenzuela-f1t2 ай бұрын
Ty bro, iv been playin stormforge mop and never played cata before, i just didnt know that “recuperate” here was like snd in mop. Nice info for begginin
@OneYoumark4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. There is nothing out atm like this and was hoping there was more
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Happy to help! Goodluck out there.
@Unspoken1854 ай бұрын
Keep it up with Cata videos bro, there’s nothing for rogue pvp out there. Also quick question, wouldn’t it be more dmg to premed then SnD and get the attack speed buff before you open rather than the 13-26 energy from recoup
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Thanks! I don't believe so, the energy might not seem that important but also the healing, if you are taking damage from another target gains huge value. If you can have up both slice/recup and a bleed before the stun it adds a lot of damage though 😉
@Jonasgp1234 ай бұрын
Thank you for these videos! As a PvE rogue for several years relying on Simoize’s content, I appreciate what you teach for PvP. Quick question, what poisons are you running for BG’s/Arena in general?
@ecomkevv4 ай бұрын
Love the guide, keep posting some cata content!
@mantiquilla44384 ай бұрын
Big noob question. Do sub rogues not use backstab as their filler ability. I hate having hemo AND backstab and always wondering if I’m pressing the wrong button
@ZeRoUnload2 ай бұрын
Depends on talents.
@Aether_Aurora4 ай бұрын
One thing I will say, do not evis while dancing. Ambush has crazy crit modifiers in cata and it's an opportunity cost to evis during dance. Even if it "wastes" combo points delaying the evis will do much more burst damage as you gain a whole Ambush worth of damage. This is especially important during smoke bomb burst windows.
@Aether_Aurora4 ай бұрын
It can be alright if you are really low on energy to squeeze one in, but if its going to cost you an ambush, most of the time its not worth it
@W4lkst4r4 ай бұрын
good to see you again!
@nathansmith14304 ай бұрын
Great video. Btw, I have to transfer to horde with friends in Cata, cannot decide with orc vs undead. I understand undead is very good but just wondering if orc stun resist(time reduce) is worth it, since there are heaps of stuns in Cata
@Fnfal20204 ай бұрын
I had the same conundrum choosing between Orc/Blood Elf. The way I see it is UD is only good into Warlocks because Priest fears have a CD you can play around, but instantly loses value against Lock + anything with a stun, which is basically everything because a good team can and will punish you with a stun go while your trinket is on CD for 30 seconds. That can absolutely lose you games. Orc however will have value almost every game, and really cucks other rogues because kidney already shares DR with Cheap Shot now, so adding the 15% reduced duration on top of that can really mess with peoples muscle memory because you're going to slip out of the lockdown sooner than expected. Plus, Blood Fury is basically an extra tailoring enchant on demand that you'll have every other dance. Humans will still do more damage with double DPS trinkets, but up until Dragon Soul when the trinkets get really nutty, Blood Fury is going to be very comparable to having an on-use effect.
@sch0k0chip2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much
@florianriek72532 ай бұрын
U dont use backstab? Why using more then 1 hemo? Backstab deals more dmg or what for same cost. i dont get it.
@Razorblade474 ай бұрын
great videos man was wondering if you're planning on doing a Mutilate guide as well for pvp?
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Mutilate is fun, there's a possibility!
@Razorblade474 ай бұрын
@@Evasionx I remember watching vids when I was a kid of like Merceder doing mutilate and just taking multiple people on 1 by 1 hahaha
@chroma99534 ай бұрын
can't wait for daggers to go for 1.5 mil in classic YAYAYYYyayyayaasy
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
my broke self casually rocking T2 pvp daggers xD
@AzurielMist4 ай бұрын
Daggers are good, but they really pale in comparison to vial of shadows :L Even when they reduced the damage and increased the proc chances it was still significantly more bust.
@boobyslater93903 ай бұрын
@@AzurielMist Nerfed Vial is a shadow of its former self but it's still OP. I think we may even see it nerfed AGAIN in Classic.
@matematie77114 ай бұрын
hey bro,love your vids. what professions i go for as a rogue for arena in cata? big thanks
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Engi/Jc and Engi/Tailoring are both great. Tailoring gives a nice AP proc on cloak. Jc is better gems, I'll swap later if I feel like I'm losing for not having it. I'm Engi/JC currently
@ivanangelov5894 ай бұрын
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@Deezx-d9t4 ай бұрын
I've never played Cata but I noticed you didnt use backstab at all. Is hemo the new backstab or whats the reason?
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Backstab is fine at lvl 85, the improved crit talents arn't reachable until after level 80. Backstab still h its harder than hemo ofc but the damage increase gained from having Find weakness is way more significant than either ability. Offering Both as playstyle options.
@Deezx-d9t4 ай бұрын
@@Evasionx Gotcha. Thanks man. Would love to see some arena games vs the typical meta comps in cata in 2v2 or so :) Following you now !
@johnotanez27463 ай бұрын
are the talents you are using in this build the hemo build talents from your last cata rogue guide?
@monkeyatschool994 ай бұрын
Does wep speed and wep top end matter still? Also u need dagger OH? Or can use any wep OH?
@zachhawkins50054 ай бұрын
ima just be shadowstep ambush until the world ends lol
@sadoki69524 ай бұрын
more cata pvp videos! :)
@ofnazareth93764 ай бұрын
@Evasionx Do you have a cheap shot opener? People keep peeling away from me when the crippling poisoning isn't applying. Then I get my whole opener screwed up with stuns, interrupts etc... Should I use garrote and certain class/specs and cheap shot on others? Thanks
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Precisely! Depending which class you fight, will change how you open. I noticed this as well, (people being able to kite due to slow cripple proc). I wan't to get some more clips and compile this and other common issues, people may be having with the rogue class. ( I am relearning a lot of stuff myself, so I can give updates as I get more practiced with it again). Stay tuned!
@ofnazareth93764 ай бұрын
@@Evasionx look forward to it. Thanks for the response. Subbed!
@Chompiesaurus2 ай бұрын
I also find the garrote opener frustrating as the target often can move away without crippling on them. And I don't always get 5 combo points from garrote and ambush.
@COD-black-ops-24 ай бұрын
You can just garot ambush kidney
@sekuna_4 ай бұрын
what do you think about sword main hand for hemo build?
@svviftghost4 ай бұрын
What do you mean by chain garotte for full? Does that mean dancing and using garrote twice?
@iiRaWDaWG4 ай бұрын
If anyone’s wondering, rogues,ferals,mm hunters are gonna farm you in cata💀💀💀
@Fnfal20204 ай бұрын
Im going horde for cata on my rogue. Can't decide between Blood Elf and Orc for the racials, both seem equally valuable to me, thoughts?
@helloitsme90244 ай бұрын
terrible, undead is the way to go in cata
@Fnfal20204 ай бұрын
@@helloitsme9024 Decided on Orc ultimately. Yea, locks are very prevalent but rogues have always died in stuns they can't get out of and every other team is going to have another rogue on it (Thug, RLS, RMP, Triple DPS) so I'm thinking while less "clutch" than WotF, Orc racial is going to provide consistent value, plus Blood Fury is super cozy to macro into Dance + Engi gloves and just use a proc or battlemaster trinket
@helloitsme90244 ай бұрын
@@Fnfal2020 they needed orc in cata, the bonus you get wil not be as good as before, also casters are good into rouge, thats why you want will of the forsaken
@boobyslater93903 ай бұрын
@@Fnfal2020 I mained Rogue since Vanilla and heavily PVP'd in vanilla/TBC, playing Forsaken. I lost my account and had to restart in WotLK and rolled a Blood Elf Rogue just to check out the starter zone (I'd never really seen it before). Learned about Arcane Torrent and have never been able to go back. I literally can't fathom PVPing without it.
@RagingDamage4 ай бұрын
cheapshot premed hemo pool to full, kidney, dance dump only ambushes and then if u can eviscerate. eviscerate is gonna blow when the pre patch is over.
@GR1MMDJ4 ай бұрын
How much of a disadvantage will I be not rolling human racial? I think I just love undead too much haha
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Approximately 1 trinket slot. Definitely play undead, if you don't enjoy yourself you will quit anyway and what's the point then. I play human for looks myself, I just got extremely lucky. Even in retail it's definitely been night elf for a long time however my main rogue is a human. Just the way it's gonna be. 👍
@GR1MMDJ4 ай бұрын
@@Evasionx great advice thank you 🙏
@terryblack36253 ай бұрын
Are these openers just for the hemo build? Cause when I use the backstab build, I will have just 3 combo points after garrote and dance ambush. In this case, should I go for another ambush before I go for eviscerate?
@Evasionx3 ай бұрын
When using backstab build, I'd go with garrote openers more frequently. This activates sanguinary vain damage increase, then backstab and go for kidney shot to land more stabs. Dance is better thought of as a way to reactivate our find weakness talent. 70% Armor pen is insane.
@terryblack36253 ай бұрын
@@Evasionx Thanks for the answer. So I shouldnt force to have 5 combo points for the kidney shot? When I do garrote and backstab, i probably have 2-3 combo points, then i go for kidney shot cause i want the backstab dmg and dont care for the 1-2 sec more stun?
@Sinistartko4 ай бұрын
when do you use backstab
@joost31724 ай бұрын
why you use this heal thing in opener instead of slice and dice? i dont get it
@kristofferpalo86264 ай бұрын
There is a sub talent that makes it give u 12 energy every 3 sec. Which should be stronger than auto speed
@muzOo4 ай бұрын
we dont press backstab at all?
@monkeyatschool994 ай бұрын
Backstab not used this expans?
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
It is, but not usually by me. Its good in certain comps and its way better at 85 due to talent point restrictions.
@monkeyatschool994 ай бұрын
@@Evasionx i see. So if its not talented for 30% crit, u dont ever use it? Stricly hemo
@stevenbarry88763 ай бұрын
There is no SS ? Just spam hemo?
@Tanner04224 ай бұрын
why no shadow step before dance?
@helloitsme90244 ай бұрын
why will you waste your St in a opener? Its a gap closer. If you do all these openers as he suggested and u wasted you st you really have little left in ur tool if the target suvives. there is a rule to using shadowstep: 1. if you use it as engage you need to be sure that you kill ur target within 10 sec, 2. save it after target use utilities to escape (mage blink example = you shadowstep after him) 3 You just save it.
@braindeadrat80054 ай бұрын
I don't think opening with dance on cata is good. You should just premed recuperate cheapshot hemo backstab kidney backstab
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
I agree, as backstab spec at 85 I'd be doing this lots. Edit: find weakness is kinda awesome 👌
@derekporter664 ай бұрын
Health regen. No no no no
@KoreanGengar4 ай бұрын
So Rupture is useless into the rotation?
@helloitsme90244 ай бұрын
there is no rotation on sub, those openers are for new player basicly, you wont even get to that point you garrote--> dance-->ambush evisc--> cheap shot, your energy is low, and if you failed to kill the target you are in trouble bec yo used everything. Rupture can be good vs more tanky opponents and stealther (bec they cant stealth with bleed effects)
@sohsuh76254 ай бұрын
Do you use Daggers with this spec?
@Evasionx4 ай бұрын
Yup, better poison things.
@HuMaOne694 ай бұрын
kidney and cheap shot sharing DR feels terrible
@flankman93854 ай бұрын
Yeah being able to burn down a fully geared caster without them ever getting the chance to respond sucks, I hope you’re able to get over it
@dayoftherope16904 ай бұрын
@@flankman9385you mean the casters that a one button rotation that does half your hp a cast
@iiRaWDaWG4 ай бұрын
@@flankman9385laughs in frost mage
@RoveRomania3 ай бұрын
Ofc they share DR they are both stuns! What are you talking about
@HuMaOne693 ай бұрын
@@RoveRomania they never shared DR in vanilla/tbc and wotlk, so stfu if you know nothing about rogue pls
@hvdiv174 ай бұрын
In this one shot macro you can have premed and recupe and if you pool your energy a for a sec after kidney and get the Eviscerate off. #showtooltip Garrote /castsequence reset=15 Premeditation,Recuperate,Garrote,Shadow Dance,Ambush,Kidney Shot,Ambush,Ambush,Eviscerate