Catholic Book Reviews | Divine Worship: Daily Worship

[@albertsmyth9616]

Good review, thank you. I’ve recently started using this and as an Anglican convert (of 42 years ago) I’ve rediscovered the Coverdale psalms which I grew up with and loved, as an Englishman, but missed as a Catholic. The frontispiece is from the extremely rare Wilton Diptych commissioned by King Richard II so is quintessentially English which is most appropriate for this Office book. Most importantly, I particularly love the classic 17th century english of the prayers; it’s so timelessly beautiful.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Glad you enjoy this book so much! The Coverdale Psalter is certainly something the Catholics and Orthodox have come to enjoy as well!

[@g.p.ryecroft]

Awesome review of an awesome book! I also have fallen in love with Divine Worship and have made it a part of my day. My four-volume Liturgy of the Hours is already growing dusty. Among the many great features that drew me to this volume was that it contains all 150 Psalms and they are all read on a monthly cycle. You are right that the offices do require considerable flipping, and it is short on ribbons. I have a few bookmarks stuck in mine as well. The Walsingham priests have created seven or so short videos, posted here on KZbin, on how to use the book, which is what got me rolling with it a month ago. It takes me about 30-40 minutes to do justice to the morning and evening prayers. It's a ton of reading! But all of it good. I did notice that big chunks of Ezekiel are missing from the lessons this month, so it may not be the complete Bible or at least not OT. And yeah, the Canterbury Cross on my copy is wearing off like yours--proof that it is well used! PS: I am a fellow American, but I pray the one-line prayers for the Queen on pp. 381 and 423 and sometimes the longer Collects as well. That made Queen Elizabeth's death a real blow as I had developed a daily connection to her. Fr. Mark Goring posted a nice video demonstrating convincingly she was a Christian, so I continue to pray for the repose of her soul.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

You need to know how much time you have in order to prayer it. One little draw back. But when you do have that time it is one of the more fulfilling offices in print

[@djohn9737]

Thanks for the link to the Catholic Truth Society. Since the British pound has taken a beating lately, the book today with delivery cost $83.11 versus $102 twelve months ago.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

The USD, the Pound and the Euro are all basically 1:1 its amazing!

[@Defender_of_Faith]

I ordered from Amazon $121 June 30. Just looked today July 4. $170 on Amazon!!

[@AmericanShia786]

Well done review. I know a prayer book is primarily for praying, but other books don't have a problem with the gold stamping rubbing off, so it is a flaw that might be corrected in a future printing. Of course, like you, I'd still buy this prayer book.

[@AngloLee]

It's my hope, I'm in RCIA, that the Ordinariate will grow in America do I can go to those churches. I'm a devoted Anglo Catholic and love the Anglican church and it's gifts of the prayer books.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

You can certainly pray from this books I pray a parish is established near you

[@NigelLucasMcBain]

Go on you for doing this. You perhaps forgot that the hymn at Evensong and the versicles go before the Magnificat. Also the replacement for "The Lord be with you., etc" is "V. O Lord, hear our prayer. R. And let our cry come unto thee." Also, Morning Prayer is the combination of Mattins & Lauds, and Evensong is the combination of Vespers and Compline. The Compline provided is of the character of personal prayer and you will notice that the Nunc can be omitted at it. God bless.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Thanks for the additional info!

[@darrenpurcell2703]

Just received mine today!!!! My Anglican Bee lady on the way!!!

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

God bless!

[@theclamchristian]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Hallelujah... 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Amen... 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Praise The LORD... Hallelujah... Hosanna Hallelujah... Amen... 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@whiggles9203]

1:30 The Canterbury cross

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

The word slipped by mind! Thank you!

[@dubarnik]

Excellent review. It's important to me that you so thoughtfully introduce and review spiritual texts that I might otherwise never come across. This Breviary looks very interesting, but having finally gained some expertise with the four volume Liturgy of the Hours, I think it's best that I pass. But still, I thank you for your soft spoken spirituality.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Those words are so kind! Thank you!

[@jackdillon4467]

This is now my favorite Breviary. I have the 1928 proposed BCP coming today and I would love to see a review on it!

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I will do one for tomorrow. Just caused you asked!

[@jackdillon4467]

@@ConvincedCatholicism Thanks!

[@timmanwell2538]

Great review. Thank you so much. Here's a NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK question for you... Is there any such thing, maybe now out of print, as a Missal that follows the old pre-Vatican II Sunday lectionary of 1yr readings, (but here's the important part) but that has the scripture readings in RSV???? I have a couple old St. Joseph Missals that are 1yr, but of course the readings are in approved Douay-Rheims version. As I say, I'm sure it's a needle in a haystack, and in fact, perhaps no one ever produced one. Thanks!!

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I would guess that that does not exist

[@helena_augusta]

You had me at CTS. Quick question... the Psalms... would they by any chance be the 1963 Grail version? This sounds similar to the Anthologion from Ignatius Orthodox Press. Thank you for the review!

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I am fairly certain they are coverdale

[@Argelkuttan]

Excellent and informative review. How long does a morning or evening prayer take with the readings?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

It depends on how many opening prayers and collects you use. I would say 15-20 mins each

[@elizabethguzman1777]

Can you share more details on why you prefer that version versus the American?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

The two things that really stand out are the American versions overwhelming number of errata and the lack if the lectionary readings included.

[@martiniron3376]

How does it differ from the Anglican Breviary or 1962 Roman Breviary? Also what calendar does this breviary follow?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

This is totally different from the Anglican Breviary and the 1962 Roman Breviary. This is based off of 1662 Book of Common Prayer. It has a thirty day psalter that goes through the psalms in order. The calendar has the pre-Vatican II days for Sundays.

[@tusolusdominus]

Hi, I have some more questions regarding this book. I only pray Morning/Evening and Compline (due to time) and I realized I was missing out on over 60 psalms each month's cycle. I don't really have time to do any other hours to make this up. I also see that the lessons go through much of scripture and I want to read more of the bible. Would you suggest this office since it works well with just morning and evening prayer users. I'm strongly considering it but my only draw backs are 1. Idk if as an American I should use the NA edition despite its drawbacks 2. I am not apart of the ordinariate but this is just a office I'd use to help my spiritual life, however I want to pray liturgically still. I love the Daily Office but I'm hesitant to purchase it due to the last 2 reasons

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Hi, definitely valid questions. 1.) Americans can easily use this book. The prayers for the royal family are optional even within Britain. 2.) as a lay person it doesn’t matter which breviary you use. It’s Catholic. The majority of people who use this office are not technically part of the Personal Ordinariate. It is as liturgical as a layperson can get and is equal LOTH and the Monastic Diurnal

[@tusolusdominus]

@@ConvincedCatholicism Thank you so much for this and your patience with answering my questions. I keep hearing conflicting things about what's liturgical/what's not and etc. I'm starting not to care more and more lol. Also I noticed the versicle prays for the king (which I'm not against since my family comes from a commonwealth nation) but would you substitute this with the president's name?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

@@tusolusdominus “O God Save the State” “Endue thy Ministers with Righteousness”

[@tusolusdominus]

@@ConvincedCatholicism Thanks! Also I see in a preview of the book that it says approved for use for the personal ordinariates and this is people's reasons for why it isn't the same as LOTH. What would you say to this? Edit: It does not say approved for only them. The language just says it's used in this group but it doesn't exclude people. "The Divine Office for use in the personal ordinariates" it is silent on other people using it but saying it's the standard for that church.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

@@tusolusdominus the way I see it, it is the same way a Roman Catholic can attend the Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy. The sacrament is valid. The Sunday obligation is fulfilled. The two liturgies are totally different and yet they are in communion. Your salvation is not dependent on what or how you pray to the Holy Trinity. Pray what you feel is best pleasing to the Lord

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

Hey brother let me ask a question The hymn for Easter in this breviary at least is Haec Dies if I recall. Is that contained in one section of this book or do you have to kind of put it together yourself by just finding the correct Psalms that it's based on? I purchased this brieviary based partially on your review and I love it to death. I can get through morning prayer and evening prayer in about 15 to 20 minutes and I enjoy that very terribly but I'm still learning of course

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I am not sure as I don’t usually use the hymn. In any case psalms 148-150 are for Easter Sunday

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

@@ConvincedCatholicism Well either way may God bless you I love the channel I love to hear people talking about things they are knowledgeable about and I love the book reviews. God bless and have a great Easter a big beautiful Easter. Eat two pieces of pie one for yourself and one for Jesus.

[@inquisition5928]

Since you mentioned the Anglican Office Book towards the end, which of the two would you recommend more? I’m quite partial to both, but far prefer the AOB even if it means I have to adapt the pre-55 Calender to the modern usage haha

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I change my mind just about everyday. I like the lectionary readings attached to DW:DO but I like the prime terce sext and none of the AOB.

[@austinrucker3853]

@@ConvincedCatholicism what is the difference in the Lessor hours?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

@@austinrucker3853 The lesser hours are psalm 118 broken up throughout the day

[@martiniron3376]

Which edition, CE or NA, would be more appealing to a traditional catholic following 1962 Calendar and Latin Mass.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Both are essentially the same. The biggest difference is the NA uses the gradual psalms for the prime terce sext and none. The Sundays are essentially the same as the Latin Mass calender (Trinity tide, Pre Lent etc.)

[@martiniron3376]

@@ConvincedCatholicism thanks. Ill go with the CE then as it is a very beautiful book. The NA is hardback and bulky.

[@justinreany1514]

The NA 1st edition had numerous topological and calendar errors. They have since released a 2nd edition for twice the price. Get the Commonwealth Edition IMO.

[@SpiritofAloha11]

Anglican Breviary or DW:DO? What do you think?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

They are so different! DW:DO is much more authentic to the Anglican Patrimony. AB is more accessible to Catholics as a whole it being a translation of the Brevarium Romanum.

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

Why is the LOTH a 4 volume set but this breviary is one big beautiful book?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

It has to do with how many different prayers there are as well as the layout. The Office of Readings takes up a lot of the 4 books

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

@@ConvincedCatholicism I understand. I have had two four volume sets. One of them the large print version. I have Christian prayer. Two or three different versions of the little office. Shorter Christian prayer too. And also The Angelus press divine office abridged version for the laity. I guess I'm like you I'm going to end up having every version eventually. I also was a subscriber for several months to the word on fire liturgy of the hours subscription booklets. I go back and forth with things. When I get the four volume set I think well this is just too much for me I don't have enough time in the day to do all of this. And then when I get a short breviary I inevitably think I wish there was just a little bit more to pray each day lol I like this divine worship book in your video because it's one volume but has everything. And a beautiful translation is a huge plus. I thought Christian prayer was sometimes frustratingly laid out and a bit annoying to use but still give it high marks because of what it accomplished.

[@richlopez5896]

That's the Canterbury Cross on the front

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Thanks

[@mb9484]

Has there been a new edition printed, now that King Charles is the sovereign?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Probably not yet

[@tusolusdominus]

Hi, if a Catholic prays this who isn’t in the Ordinariate, are they cutting themselves off from the liturgical life or are they still in communion like with Christian prayer or LOTH? I think I’d like to get this but I want to be apart of the churches prayer still. I don’t specifically go to one liturgy, I go to different rites and forms of mass but I want to still be in the liturgical life of the church.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

There is no such thing as “in communion” with LOTH. Especially if you are a lay person with no obligation to pray the office. You attend different rites of the Church already. Those are still in communion.

[@tusolusdominus]

@@ConvincedCatholicismokay great, so if I used this I’d still be apart of the church’s prayer. Thank you!

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

@@tusolusdominus yes

[@tusolusdominus]

@@ConvincedCatholicism I attend both Novus Ordo and TLM, sort of looking for a more traditional office. You've reviewed both the Monastic Diurnal and the Divine Worship Daily Office. In my situation, which one would you say would work better? I felt that the DWDO was more connected to the new calendar, while the Diurnal seems better if you only attend TLM.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I would recommend the MD if you attend the Latin Mass more often

[@tusolusdominus]

Do you prefer this over the Christian Prayer LOTH? What are the differences?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I prefer this aesthic over that of LOTH/Christian Prayer. There are a ton of differences. In this you go through all 150 psalms in a 30 day period and the bible in the whole year. LOTH has most of the psalms and they are arranged thematically

[@justinreany1514]

I used to pray the LotH for years. Switched over to the 1928 BCP years ago. I would argue that although this is Anglican in its patrimony it has more of a traditional Catholic feel to it than the LotH does. I also wanted to go through the entire psalter each month which you do with any of the Books of Common Prayer. The CTS volume here is amazing in that it has the entire lectionary included. It is rather complex and a lot of flipping back-n-forth. But the language is sooooooooo more dignified and elevated! Linguistic gold. The LotH employs common conveesational street English. Hard to raise the mind and soul to God with common everyday parlance.

[@tusolusdominus]

@@justinreany1514 Thank you for this comment I just saw this. I'm considering getting this office due to the helpful psalm cycle and the lessons. Also, I'm aware Catholic Truth Society sells one, is it unique or are all commenwealth offices the same?

[@kingpatriarch224]

Do you prefer Divine Worship or the Anglican Office Book?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Divine Worship for two main reasons. First of all, it is a Catholic publication. Second, it has the full lectionary already printed in the order it is supposed to be read. Even if/when the second edition of the AOB comes out with the full KJV it still will not be in the proper order of reading

[@kingpatriarch224]

@@ConvincedCatholicism Thank you!

[@lakshanudara7806]

Can a Roman Rite priest fulfill his obligation by praying this breviary?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

I would not know the technicalities but the Anglican Ordinariate is a part of the Roman Rite. It is approved by the Holy See so I would imagine a priest can get permission from their bishop to pray it if they are obligated to pray LOTH

[@richlopez5896]

Yes

[@romainbontems462]

Actually no. They would fulfill it if they were to celebrate it with others as guests, but only occasionnally. The obligation is fulfilled only if they are clergy incardinate in one of the Ordinaries.

[@PeteV80]

Extremely interesting.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

This book is an answer to a lot of peoples prayers.

[@noohohno8293]

How did I get here from Simpsons clips???

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

You would think Presbylutheran prayerbooks would be more relevant!

[@noohohno8293]

@@ConvincedCatholicism im smoking weed right now

[@jacobticer1643]

Is this available in hardback?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

No, however the USA version (which is slightly different and doesn’t have the lectionary bible) is hardback

[@darrenpurcell2703]

How did you get this? From CTS?

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Yes. I think it is also available on amazon. But I would get it from CTS directly

[@darrenpurcell2703]

@Convinced Catholicism Yeah, I did. Looks to be a little over 110 dollars. I gotta stop watching your videos. Lol. Just also bought Mundelein Psalter. I have LOTH, but only use them a bit. I tend to like the Latin vulgate better

[@jcastano]

Not "Two Kings" [sic], it's *Second* Kings.

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

Yes, I don’t know why I said that

[@tz7245]

Wow 167$ 😭

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

For that price you essentially get a whole divine office and most of the Bible. I think it is £65 pounds before all that shipping and processing but I think the price is worth it for what your get

[@darrenpurcell2703]

Breviary

[@jackdillon4467]

Yikes 200 dollars on Amazon!

[@ConvincedCatholicism]

It is much cheaper on the Catholic Truth Society Page