Catholicism Isn't a Cult... But I Have Serious Concerns

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[@MikeWinger]

Here’s what’s next. A Roman Catholic apologist named Trent Horn has done over 8 hours of video content to refute me on what I’ve said about to Roman Catholicism. On Monday I’m going to be responding to his claims. Here’s a link to the video where you can watch live. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnqkh5WZoJ5mpsU

[@Jmart8624]

I love your channel and am grateful for your diligence. I tend to believe Catholicism is a cult based on my understanding of what a cult is but nevertheless, thank you for this video and I look forward to seeing your next video.

[@user-lh5li8ll7i]

Why not just debate him like he has asked? Pints with Aquinas has even offered to host it.

[@TheOnlyAnglicanintheroom]

You should deffo debate him. Not a fan of this responding to claims and the back and forth stuff etc. anyone can quote scripture to prove a point. Actually talk through why they believe it etc. that’s more interesting

[@springflowerblosomnorris9721]

Sola scriptura is SEALED by the sabbath (REST). Do we choose to REST in scriptures? OR..... We choose to ADD to the scriptures. To claim to do both is HYPOCRISY.

[@GratiaPrima_]

As a Baptist to Catholic convert, interested to hear.

[@PintsWithAquinas]

Hey Mike, would love to have you and Trent on my show to debate whatever aspect of Catholicism you'd like. Let me know if you're interested.

[@JennaGuizar]

Yes please!!

[@calebp6114]

That would be interesting! On salvation, perhaps?

[@MissMariaBennet]

Wow. Mike Winger and Pints with Aquinas are my favourite channels on YT. And still, I don't think it's a good idea - don't want either side to loose internet points.

[@noahfletcher3019]

I used to love debates but I've slowly come to realise how pointless they are. They're just for ego stroking and gotchas. People pretend to be cordial but they're really just trying to destroy their opposition. Nobody really listens to eachother and its the same topics over and over again. Mike Winger is just going to say whatever some other protestant you've brought on has said. There's nothing new he's going to give you so the only reason you want to debate him is because you just have a bone to pick. There's no benefit in repeating yourselves but with a different person. I'm bored of KZbin debates and many people are echoing the same opinion as me.

[@noahfletcher3019]

@@rocketattack4819 I have slowly come to this conclusion myself. Whenever I see a new KZbin debate I can't help but role my eyes.

[@othername6345]

When a Catholic said that no early Church Father believed in Grace by Faith alone, I decided to research and read up about it and realized what that person claimed wasn't true. I feel a lot of Catholics think that "if only you'd read more ancient texts, Protestants wouldn't be so ignorant", but if you do read it, it doesn't say what they so confidently claimed.

[@billystorrs6054]

You didn't even cite a source. You just said, "I researched."

[@maryssaann]

Going through trying to get my very Catholic family to accept that I no longer can believe in being Catholic. I have been very respectful in sharing why and my reasoning behind it. My father is still trying to tell me to come back or I’m doing a disservice to my children and am a bad mother for not “coming home”. It never felt like home. Just gave me a hollow, anxious heavy feeling like I was never good enough and guilted into still believing. Please pray for my husband and I and our children. I very much believe in God and have been working hard on my relationship with Jesus. That’s all I want for my children and they are taking interest into following my footsteps. I can’t really ask for more. Just guidance on how to deal with family who doesn’t like my decision.

[@bornagainsaint6923]

I know exactly how you feel. I was born into this religion as most Mexican Americans are born into this mess. Like you, went through the motions, rituals, and traditions and could never fill that emptiness in my heart and continued in my sinful lifestyle, now I know why, never heard the Real Gospel of Jesus Christ, repent and believe and you'll be Born Again of God's Holy Spirit a new creation in Christ. It's funny how I'm typing this my eldery mother is praying the rosary, I've explained the gospel to her and my relatives, but to no avail. All we can do is pray for them and ask God Almighty to take off the Blinders. On my wife's side its dealing with Mormons another horrific cult, it's a battle. Stay strong and Never stop praying for your loved ones. Peace. Ex Catholics for Jesus Christ.

[@briannaleano9337]

Praying for you and your family as you go through this. It is not easy. My husband left Catholicism a few years back and it was difficult with his side of the family. We still get comments from his family. We read our bible, we know that Gods word is our source of truth and we can rest in that knowing we are putting our faith in Jesus and not basing our faith on trying to please others or from pressure from family members. Knowing the word and knowing what you base your beliefs in are so important. Also praying to God for discernment. I can say now my Husband has never been more on fire for the Lord than he is now. And our family is changed for the better because of it.

[@briannaleano9337]

All you can do is pray for your Catholic family members that there hearts would soften and they may hear truth. God can only change their hearts all you can do is be a light to them 💕 stand in confidence that you are following God and Gods word

[@logiboy123]

Keep reading your bible. God will reveal himself to you more and more each day. God bless!

[@jocypare6019]

Sometimes there is Catholics that are actually Christian but they don’t know it because of all the rituals and prayers. And stuff. But I know a few that are like the Pharisee. And it’s hard.

[@litamactal3807]

Plz pray for me I am so messed up

[@petalblossom96]

What's up Rolf? 🙏🏾

[@michaal105]

Will pray Rolf. Anything in specific?

[@CharlieKraken]

I shall do so, my brother in Christ.

[@lkae4]

We're all really messed up. Even Mike and Allen. That's why we need the Gospel. Repent, throw your sin in the trash and find a strong church pastor and elders.

[@CharlieKraken]

@@lkae4 Well said.

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

You can't earn the gift of Grace. It is freely given.

[@USA-qu2nw]

AMEN

[@lonelyberg1808]

Contrary to what Mike said in this video, the Catholic Church has made a distinction between the verbs earn and merit. Like many Catholics, I invite you to watch trent horn's rebuttal video on this video from Mike, he showed this distinction with examples. Jimmy Akin also showed this distinction on the protestant channel "Gospel Simplicity", the video is called "What is the role of MERIT in Salvation? (w/ Jimmy Akin)"

[@theresagrimshaw1285]

Excellent presentation. Former Catholic here. It's so simple yet my family and rabid catholics won't see the error of adding works to their salvation. It's a slap in the face to what Christ did on the cross and that's only one doctrine that blatently goes against Scripture. Catholicism teaches the Bible isn't the only thing to determine doctrine. They rely on what their former leaders have said is truth. So many other things but like i said they won't listen.

[@isrberlinerin4063]

You are right , i was led to wittness to catholics for 2 years now and those religious demons have such a hold on them they call the biblical truth Hate . I just about heard it all and it is really so sad , because their eternal souls are in grave peril . I am glad you made out of that Roman Cult . God bless you ........

[@shellahightower5584]

Yeah ok heretic, read James

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

I was led to a Bible by the Lord and l opened the Bible and read the Gospel of John. I was saved..."born again" after hearing the Word of truth, the Gospel of my salvation exactly like Ephesians 1:13-14 says. I trusted and believed. Just like Paul did not command Gentiles to become Jews and under go circumcision...We Are not required to become Catholic. My Authority is the Holy Spirit inspired Scripture....not the church Father's...that can not agree with one another...nor did the Holy Spirit add them to the inspired scripture. 📜 Shouldn't a man or woman be able to pick up a Bible...hear the good news of Jesus Christ and come to faith? Satan is a liar... Ecumenism is not in the Bible. The Pope is saying all religions can come together. He has been speaking falsely for some time. As Jesus and Paul said..."Let no man deceive you." The Bible clearly says that Salvation is by Faith alone without works and if you add works...you've fallen from Grace. Galatians 1:8... Let them be accursed...🔥🔥🔥

[@user-hq6cw3ul4o]

Can I ask something? How do you know if you are not adding things to your salvation? For example: I give to the poor. Am I adding that into my salvation?

[@Peter_McKenna587]

Nope​@@user-hq6cw3ul4o

[@Peter_McKenna587]

​@@user-hq6cw3ul4oyou are building up treasure in heaven not earning your salvation. You are just doing what you ought to be doing.

[@OctagonalSquare]

@@user-hq6cw3ul4odid you do it because you think you have to to be saved? If no, then you didn’t add it to your salvation. If yes, then you added it to your salvation, which is heretical.

[@user-hq6cw3ul4o]

@@OctagonalSquare Thank you so much for answering. Actually it is difficult for me to differenciate the reason why I am doing it. God Bless 🙏

[@formergoat9257]

"Paying for your sins in purgatory" shouldn't just "freak you out", it should be abominable to you as I'm sure it is to God. It is spitting in the face of Jesus.

[@Vigula]

Of course, cause it's not true - purgatory is not a punishment in the church's teaching. A complete distortion of the facts. But that's what you get when people make it up and decide they are the authority, thousands of denominations, all interpreting the Bible in different ways and then claiming their teachings are not of their own making. So sad. God bless, A

[@ErraticFaith]

As a preface I never take the laughable stupidity of D.Wood and any of his associates all that seriously. Also I don't watch Mike's material. It isn't of interest and so I won't comment either way. This is for several reasons, chief of which isn't any problem with their intellect itself or experience and reasoning skills. Rather, that it applies absolute opinions to chaos. And that will never accurately represent anything. As a non-christian who has lived in many of the places that you are hopefully fortunate to have never seen; I have regard for the Catholics. Why? Because of course, they were the Knights that for a thousand years kept our lands free. They fought and died, so that my people didn't. They did so because of their traditions and convictions. Readily forgotten by many in their judgement seat it seems. Without their Catholicism and belief in works of faith and divine retribution; we would all be dead. To the last man, woman or child. Anyone who believes, might almost say that God was with them in those days. Because they were EXTREMELY outnumbered. With unwavering bravery. They saved people they didn't know, in a land that wasn't their own and with beliefs they didn't share. You won't hear many of those stories today. Not in pathetic America and its neo-fascist 'call everyone a bigot an cancel them when you don't agree' culture. How would you like it if I blamed you for Afghanistan as a whole group. Instead of branding Brandon and his crones with the crime? I thought not. History says that Catholics combined the Bible. They went around painstakingly to assemble a cannon. With fair critique from all over Christendom. They defended the faith for over a thousand years before any people left. And they left because of the lies of one or two people, who wanted to conveniently remove books they didn't like. Who did your Jesus Christ leave in charge? Ah right. The first Popes. And you wonder why so many of us who don't care either way have such little respect for you? You spit on your own. Just as you spit on those you left behind in the ME. Hell, you even got your own soldiers killed. Protestantism is just some convenient fraud. That benefitted the agenda. The same thing you accuse them of. If your God exists, I am going to laugh hard when he blasts you off the earth and reforms the Church. It would be fracking HILARIOUS. To see you put in your place. I am no expert, as you've gathered. But you all bashing each other is just stupid and insulting. Time to grow up.

[@carstontoedter1333]

Really? I'm spitting in the face of Jesus by taking him seriously when he says that there is a sin which cannot be forgiven in this life "OR THE NEXT"?

[@Vigula]

@@carstontoedter1333 What a fantastic reply. Very astute. Hadn't picked up on the logical consequence of what you quote Jesus as saying, but there it is in black and white. There must therefore sins which are taken away or burnt off from our souls as St Paul puts it (perhaps by the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ which burns with love and mercy) so that we can enter heaven after we have left this life in a state of grace.

[@carstontoedter1333]

@@Vigula appreciate the support! Thank Karlo Broussard for showing me that nugget of logic.

[@NoOneToNoOne89]

The pray to Mary and ask men to pronounce the required amount of repetitious prayers required for forgiveness of their sin. None of that is biblical. None of it.

[@Ulice90]

Oh please stfu with with that protestant propaganda nonsense. Oh they pray to mary and saints. Oh they call oriest father although you shouldnt call anyone father, oh they dismissed the second command of the ten commendments. Show me where scripture alone is mentioned in the bible ? Bible is true because the bible says so or ? Everyone can interprete the bible isn't it ? Because ylur teacher is the holy spirirt ? Strange how the holy spirit teaches thousands of different denominations

[@heymichaelc]

@@Ulice90 answer the point in context, specifically in scripture where are the examples?

[@Ulice90]

@@heymichaelc hail mary prayer comes from the gospel of Luke 1:28, 41-42...priests have the authority to absolve sins from the gospel of John 20:22-23...we seek intercessions from Mary and the saints as can be seen Luke 16 (rich man speaking to abraham) and these prayers are brought to God as seen in Revelation 5...Read your bible !!!

[@heymichaelc]

@@Ulice90 So demonic are your answers, where to begin? First, we are given permission to pray “for” one another, not “to” one another as if they had some special deification on our behalf. 2. The rich man in the parable “saw” Lazarus from a distance, obviously anyone within sight given the circumstances could carry a conversation. 3. Absolutely not, do “priest” have the authority to forgive or retain sins. We know that individual repentance from wickedness constitutes any forgiveness. All our works will be judged in the end. The authority given (John 20:23) in this passage was not the ability for one to have authority themselves to forgive individual sins, but to establish discipline in all the churches according to God’s Word for which one might be pardon or not. Believers living in unrepentant sin were to be expelled from the church and later received back if repentance was evident. 4. Revelation 5 . . . LOL, so deceived. Finally, Jesus never gave anyone the pre-eminence, nor Papistic authority of any man to forgive sins as in authority for which the Roman Catholic claims of remitting sin and of pronouncing pardon. We know that God is the only one who can forgive sin. Continue to isolate and splice scriptures out of their context and find yourself cursed/damned to hell while promoting a false gospel.

[@colin1818]

@@heymichaelc - I’m impressed with your response, but remember this is the guy that initially responded with “stfu” to those that challenged his pre-determined view. I’m going to go out on a limb and say he’s not a well-intentioned debater that is simply seeking truth.

[@noahfletcher3019]

There's a lot of Catholic hate in the comments. This is not the way a Christian should behave.

[@TheOnlyAnglicanintheroom]

Im not a Catholic but I am deeply embarrassed by some of my Protestant brothers and sisters comments on here. A lot of them have never read into what Catholics really believe instead they just absorb what their pastor tells them

[@noahfletcher3019]

@Bible scanned. No corrupt files. They're not lies, they're merely developmental. There's nothing wrong with believing that the bread and wine literally become Jesus' body and blood. There's nothing wrong with baptising an infant, there's nothing wrong with denying sola scriptura, it's not like they deny the scriptures. They hold the bible in high regard and see it as sacred, they just think its okay to include other traditions. Remember that not all Catholics subscribe to the bad practices of the historic Catholic Church. Many Catholics are ordinary followers of Jesus just like you. I'm not denying that there are issues with Catholic theology with regard to scripture but i think you're polarising more than need be. Most of our differences are exaggerated.

[@lonelyberg1808]

Yeah unfortunatly, it doesn't smell good

[@TonyT-jn9vf]

Seems like Mike is okay with that, as most of what he does is bear false witness against Catholicism in this video.

[@CPATuttle]

Mike lied about the Catholic Church that Jesus started left and right. There’s a reason he didn’t have a Catholic come and explain it. Or go on another channel to talk about this

[@vtaylor21]

What the?!?!? Which Catholics do you talk to that says purgatory is a character change and happens in an instant?!?! I believe the is a gross misrepresentation. I seriously doubt that any Catholic says this, not even the one that doesn't know anything.

[@101driveranimal9]

Mike from what I noticed you like to preach to the choir a lot, I've heard a lot of Catholics that would like to engage you and have a discussion but you seem to be ignoring all of them, that kind of sounds cowardly almost like you're afraid in some way to be corrected. A sign of true confidence in the doctrines that you hold to and especially when you criticize other faiths or Christian traditions you need to step up to the game by engaging the ones you criticize.

[@watchgoose]

His job is to teach, not have hot debates with unbelievers.

[@stevesalvant80]

@@watchgoose say louder for those In the back

[@CPATuttle]

Yeah I notice he doesn’t talk with a Catholic on his channel or anyone else’s

[@crimson6172]

@@watchgoose His incorrect Prot teachings are easily debunked by any Catholic or Orthodox apologists.

[@CptDawner]

@@crimson6172 What like council of Trent? Who didn’t even actually address what was said in this video? Come on man open your eyes.

[@MrFrankqu58]

purgatory is not in the Bible! Hebrews 9:26-28!

[@johnflorio3052]

Look in Matthew 12:32.

[@sarahlawrence599]

@@johnflorio3052 what does that verse have to do with purgatory? if you reject or speak against God, you will go to hell.

[@johnflorio3052]

@Sarah: That’s right with respect to the first part of Matthew 12:32 - but look at the last part about “in this world or in the next.” This means sins can be forgiven even after your heart stops; Jesus’ death on the cross is even more powerful than we realize. Now look at 1 John 5:16-17 and you’ll see not all sins lead to death. Mortal sin will, as you correctly stated, send us to hell but venial sin will not - but it still must be forgiven.

[@sarahlawrence599]

@@johnflorio3052 I think you're reading into that Matthew verse farther than you should. Can you give me any other example of scripture where it tells us that our sins can be forgiven after physical death? As for the 1 John verse, it says "there is A sin leading to death." This is in reference to blasphemy. God forgives all of our sins when we call upon Him for his grace and help, but the one sin He cannot forgive is blasphemy because we are actively rejecting him. All people are sinners but we are given life by the mercy of God, but God cannot give mercy to the one who rejects Him because they have not accepted Him. Does this make sense?

[@colin1818]

@@johnflorio3052 - That verse literally has nothing to do with "Purgatory".

[@mlokole254]

I was raised Catholic but left church more than 25yrs ago. My family is still Catholic and I have been using what I have learnt from Pt. Mike to get them out. I was surprised to learnt that they do not even know what they believe. I mentioned purgatory and my mom in all her 70yrs in the church did not know about it. Separating them from Mary will need a chain saw! Thankfully, I have it....prayer!

[@henrybayard6574]

Can you please tell me how do you get born again?? What's your definition??

[@mariagorettij2308]

😅😅separating them from Mary needs a chain saw....

[@mariagorettij2308]

@Margot Cavanaugh I am a catholic my neighbour also a Catholic was illiterate could not read the Bible but loved Jesus so much. As a pastor whom I care to listen to once said you will be surprised when so many denominations you were told were NOT BORN again will be actually enjoying the company of the Lord Jesus in eternity.

[@dizzybee4875]

Tell them that they refer to Mary as “The Queen of Heaven” This title comes from the goddess Astarte(also known as Inanna, Ishtar, Athena, depicted in the Statue of Liberty) the Queen of Heaven is the goddess of war, politics, fertility and children, she wears a gown, helmet & carries a shield and a spear, her symbol is the crescent 🌙 and the ⭐️ which incidentally is also used by Islam. The headpieces of the pope & bishops resembles a fish head which represents the god Dagon and the pope also wear a crown resembling a pine cone. These are but a few of the pagan symbols infiltrated into the Catholic Church, they have many many symbols that are also occultic representing secret orders. Look up the Lavender Mafia and the Black Pope. Father Malachi Martin wrote much about these things .🙏🏽👼🏼🕊

[@Slurpee_Burger]

@@henrybayard6574 for Christians, simple faith in Christ. Understand how you fall short, your need for Jesus Christ, and the fact that God sacrificed the perfect blood of Jesus to make right and cover all the sins of those who claim his “pardon” and God’s good authority in your life as a mere sinner.

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

If you add anything to the plan of salvation, salvation is not possible. You must put your trust in Christ, and Christ alone in order to be saved. He paid for your sins in full. You owe nothing. Catholics will pay for some of their sins in purgatory. This makes themselves co-redeemer with Christ. They actually call Mary the co-redemptrix. They trust in Mary for part of their salvation. They trust in "the keys of heaven" that are given to the Pope. And this is just the tip of a massive iceberg. It doesn't matter of your view of Christ is correct if you get EVERYTHING else wrong.

[@terryhenderson3424]

I agree 💯

[@johnflorio3052]

@Timothy Lane: None of that is correct; you didn’t state a single fact about the Catholic Church - but I’m not upset with you. There are many misconceptions promulgated about the Catholic Church and I’ve heard ALL of them. I can’t blame you if all you’ve ever heard is misinformation so let’s clear things up. Firstly, we Catholics believe we are saved by grace alone. Faith and works - not works of the law - are responses to Christ’s grace. We believe Jesus is the only way to heaven (John 14:6, Acts 4:12) and He is truly God and truly man. Why don’t you rely on Catholic sources and find out what we really teach? You might be surprised! We do not worship Mary, we do not worship statues, and we do not believe in replacement theology. We worship God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - alone and we reject all forms of idolatry. God never said not to make religious art; He said not to worship such things. For example, God commanded the construction of the Ark of the Covenant. It was not worshiped. Our Lord can’t break His own commandment! We take John 6 and 1 Corinthians 11:24-27 literally: The Real Presence! You should too. Jesus had to restate this teaching several times in John 6 and even so some of His disciples deserted Him. Don’t be one of those former disciples.

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@@johnflorio3052 , I do rely on Catholic sources. Does it matter what the Catholic church actually believes if the layman believe what I stated? I witness to Catholics all the time. I've only talked to two that didn't believe what I said (except several Catholics that don't believe anything the Catholic church teaches). Can you explain the massive disparity between what the church claims to teach and what the laity actually believes?

[@johnflorio3052]

@Timothy: I can try! First, are the Catholics you meet ones who rarely - or never - go to Mass, dissidents to the faith, or ones like me who go to Mass at least once per week and study the daily Mass Bible readings during the week whether we go or not? The first two groups I mentioned, those who rarely attend Mass and the dissidents, are respectively uninformed and misinformed. Those of us who go at least weekly are those who can defend the faith well. Now, to your question, the Church teaching hasn’t changed in ~2000 years. However, some teachers are better than others and this extends to modern priests and bishops. In my case I’ve been spoiled rotten by superb catechesis - teaching - by some outstanding priests. These men are Bible experts. Also, it takes much study away from Mass to learn the entirely of the faith; covering two millennia of salvation history isn’t easy. There are many outstanding Catholic teachers on KZbin and I recommend Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Marcus Grodi, Fr. Mitch Pacwa, Fr. Mark Goring, and the late Archbishop Fulton Sheen.

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@@johnflorio3052 , Well, of the ones I can think of off the top of my head, four who didn't believe everything the church teaches went to mass regularly. Two who believe everything (including Atheists will be in Heaven) went to mass regularly. And one who believes nothing at all went to mass regularly (he was Italian, it's just what they do). I had long term conversations with all of these. Two from the first group converted to Protestantism. And the one who believes nothing from the RCC is also a protestant now. I have talked to several who would fall into your "dissident" category. But those conversations don't usually last very long. So I can't recall how many there have been. But I admit, it's probably more than the other groups. The rest have been quick conversations, an hour or so. I can't recall their attendance levels, or if I even asked.

[@Christian_Maoist.]

Pastor Mike, when you take shots at the Holy Apostolic Church of Rome, but then decline whenever Catholic Apologists invite you to speak to them, it leaves a negative image that isn't very genuine.

[@ravikeller9626]

The standard evangelical definition of a cult is, "Any religious group that claims to be Christian, yet denies one or more of the essential doctrines thereof." I feel like most Christians would agree that the doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone is about as essential as it gets and Catholicism vehemently denies that. So on that basis alone, wouldn't we be correct in calling Roman Catholicism a cult? Another mark of a cult is that they add something to the Bible. In some cases it's entirely extra books like the Book of Mormon, or in other cases it's the supposed "infallible" interpretations of the Bible like what's claimed for the Watchtower magazines by Jehovah's Witnesses. But in Catholicism, they have added both. They added uninspired books to the Old Testament called the apocrypha and they've added their own supposed infallible traditions as well. All of which are said to be equal in authority as Scripture and in actual practice, end up trumping Scripture. (For proof: anytime you find a verse in the Bible that contradicts what Catholic Tradition says, the Tradition wins) Yet a third mark of a cult is that there's almost always some supreme leader that exercises complete authority over the doctrine and practice of the entire Church and can make absolutely-binding alterations as needed/desired. Mormons have their "Living Prophet", JW's have their current "Governing Body", etc. Obviously Catholics have this type of person too, whom they refer to as the Pope. Fourth, almost every cult will try to step in between you and Jesus in some way. In other words, they'll say something to the effect of, "You can't just go off and have your own relationship with God- you have to go through us first." And the Catholic Church has literally made a career saying that. If you want Christ in Catholicism, you have to attend Mass and you can't get Mass anywhere else. And finally, related to the second point, most cults will subtly (or sometimes not so subtly) discourage their members from reading the Bible independently. Catholic websites to this day will still sometimes talk about how dangerous it is for Catholics to attend Protestant Bible study groups or any other group that encourages them to read the Bible by themselves. Consequently, nearly every Catholic I've ever met has been woefully ignorant of the Bible. And I'm not just talking about Protestant convictions- I'm talking about basic stories. Eg. Moses, Noah, Joshua, etc. And it's not surprising. They're told they can't understand the Bible on their own, so why would they read it on their own? A huge mark of a cult. I think the only reason Catholicism gets a "pass" here is because they believe in the Trinity and they've been around a lot longer than the others. But in my opinion, that's not enough to avoid earning the title, "cult". We should call a spade a spade. An old cult is still a cult, even if a billion people follow it. Cheers.

[@TheFreedomDefender]

I agree with you wholeheartedly though I'm careful about calling it a cult because a cult is a cult from its very inception. Roman Catholicism for me isn't a cult person as much as it is an apostate church practicing an apostate Christianity. At one time the church at Rome was orthodox, but thats hundreds of years ago now. When a church that was once solid goes apostate there will still be lingering elements of orthodoxy which accounts for all of the things that are biblically true in the RCC. But for everything the RCC teaches that is biblical now they have some other doctrine that contradicts, and even blasphemes that doctrinal stance.

[@ravikeller9626]

@@TheFreedomDefender Fair point Rob. I suppose if Roman Catholicism started last year, there’d be no question about it. But since it was orthodox once upon a time, maybe we need a more nuanced term for it. I appreciate your input.

[@TheFreedomDefender]

@@ravikeller9626 its a hard stance to take. One of the reasons why I'm careful to not call it a cult because I do believe there are possibly hundreds of genuine born again believers who identify as catholic, but are nominal catholics at best. They are in most cases ignorant of what official catholic doctrine is on things, or will just say they don't believe tge things that are blatantly heretical and unbiblical. At that point its better to steer the conversation to the anathemas of the church versus the anathema of scripture and call them to come out of that system. The catholic church is a very ripe harvest field, believers just have to first recognize that and abandon this mere Christianity ecumenism.

[@isrberlinerin4063]

@ravikeller I gladly read your excellent true expose' the definition of a cult its the best i ever read . I agree with everything and i have been saying the same for a long time . I also researched the real history of the Roman Catholic Church (Cult) and it is horrific what i found out how corrupt and evil that Cult really is . A former Catholic Priest told me that the RCC is Satan's Masterpiece and i agree . S succeeded to deceive the Nations and the people in those Nations 1 billion catholics worldwide and of course including all the other false religious Cults . So thank you and God bless you .........

[@shellahightower5584]

Please read Church History and James

[@Civil_Luke]

I’ve seen 2 TikToks today that list you in a long list of trusted theologians. I’ve subscribed to you for about a year now but I never commented. I just wanted to jump on here and encourage you and Thankyou for being a voice of truth in this lost world. God Bless you and your family. -Luke

[@jacobwoods6153]

Pints with Aquinas openly invited you to debate on his channel. I know us Catholics would love to see you debate one of our guys. :)

[@Jerome616]

One year later… crickets. If you aren’t willing to defend your s as use of the argument, then you are not truly on the side of truth. Mikes needs to search for The Truth, not hide behind His Truth.

[@PreciousBloodOfJesus7777]

In my opinion he's a freemason and not a follower of Jesus. A deceiver. I don't like calling anyone that but the truth is the truth.

[@Peter_McKenna587]

​@@PreciousBloodOfJesus7777 who's a mason?

[@GarciaonlyJesus]

I am here because David Wood recommend it to us, ready to learn from you my brother!!!

[@htebazileeilsel2293]

Idk about that, the Pope is essentially a cult leader, I think Paul and Peter would have STRONG words against Catholicism. Catholicism is the doctrine of Balaam The Pope recently told a young boy that his deceased father(who was atheist) was in heaven because he was a "good person", pretty much every Catholic has wildly unbiblical beliefs and you can usually get to it by fishing around.

[@quenniegraceabrahan9424]

This is a very sad reality to be honest. Most of Catholicism beliefs, aren't biblical.

[@USA-qu2nw]

The Catholics are the Pharisees from the Bible

[@laxinthe303]

Peter was the founder of Catholocism. So I think he would have some words for the heretics in these comments.

[@jumpingmoose5554]

@@laxinthe303 you're disrespecting peter by lying like that

[@htebazileeilsel2293]

@@laxinthe303 That's not true at all. When Christ said "on this rock I build my church" He was speaking about the profession of faith that Peter made about Him being the Son of God. You have to really twist Scripture and add to it to get that Peter "founded Catholicism" or was "the first pope". All of the writings of Paul and even Peter (and what Jesus taught) totally destroy false Catholic doctrine. Catholicism is Christian flavored paganism.

[@julianthetroglodyte1109]

I love seeing Allen Parr in these videos just nod his head the entire time

[@Yamchas-corpse]

I chuckled about that

[@jboxy]

HAHAHAH

[@floridaman318]

Seems like all he can do is that and parrot back exactly what Mike jst said.

[@Yamchas-corpse]

@@floridaman318 nothing wrong with that. Mike said a lot.

[@sandomingue]

@@floridaman318 Many collab vids of Allen and Mike have been of Allen talking a lot more

[@brandonvonbo9708]

Mary being sinless seems to be the biggest issue to me. In 2Tim 2:18-26, we see Paul scolding those that say the resurrection is past as devils, how much more so someone claiming a human lived a sinless life other than Christ.

[@JD-xz1mx]

Its only the most obvious of the large underlying issue of idolatry. I've found Catholics more prone to every kind of idolatry, from the church, to their version of saints, to civil authority figures, to simply experts in a given field.

[@johnflorio3052]

If you’re full of grace (Luke 1:28) you’re free of sin.

[@felixcharles9773]

@@johnflorio3052 I have some questions about the sinless of Mary. If she had been there in John 8:7, would Mary have been able to stone that prostitute? Would she have been morally justified in doing so? What do you make of Romans 6:14? If Mary were always under sin, why did she live according to Jewish Law? Wouldn’t the law be useless to someone without sin? Isn’t Christ’s sacrifice necessarily superfluous to someone who is already full of God’s grace? Hopefully these don’t come across as argumentative, I’ve just never heard satisfying answers from any of my Catholic friends so was curious what your take was.

[@johnflorio3052]

@Felix Charles: There is nowhere in the entire eighth chapter of St. John’s gospel where Mary is mentioned. I have no idea what you’re talking about. There is nothing in all of Sacred Scripture indicating Mary threw anything at anyone. God made Adam and Eve without original sin, right? They contracted that condition in the garden by means of disobedience. To give birth to sinless Jesus, Mary also had to be free of original sin so she was saved from original sin at the moment of her conception; she even rejoices over this in Luke 1:46-48. All of Our Lord’s humanity came from Mary. Think about that for a minute. She conceived by the power of the spirit but all of His human substance came from her. Note this well: We call Mary “Mother of God” to emphasize the divinity of Christ.

[@nicood5691]

@@johnflorio3052 Felix is asking a hypothetical question. Since you believe Mary was completely sinless, if she was there when people tried to stone a prostitute (John 8:1-7), would she be able to stone her ?

[@Serquss]

Catholicism has been around for 2000 years and currently has over one billion believers; therefore, given the history and scope of the faith, it's no small thing to be critical of Catholicism. Given the billions of souls at stake, it's incredibly disappointing that Mike won't even have a conversation with a Catholic apologist to assert and clarify his points.

[@3leon306]

he'd prefer to slander and peddle caricature from the safety of carefully controlled videos

[@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419]

Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. So yes

[@leannewheeler5351]

​​​@@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419this is a gross misappropriation of the verse. People who are earnestly striving for Christ, you don't have the authority to condemn them to damnation. Also for 1500+ years before the reformation, all those of Western and Eastern catholicism went to hell?

[@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419]

@@leannewheeler5351 you misunderstood my comment I’ll explain the original comment was talking about a large number of souls being at stake and I agree, also I used that verse in the right way go read it in context Also I didn’t claim to have authority but Jesus does and I quoted him Also the Catholic Church isn’t the same as it was in *33AD just study the early Catholic Church even the eastern church agrees with the Protestants plus the synod right know shows that The Rome always adds or takes away traditions that they claimed was there Like the dogmas they added in the past 150 years to now And no the church wasn’t lost for 1500 years and yes Catholics are Christian

[@leannewheeler5351]

@@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419 Thank you for being patient with me. I'm sorry, I did misunderstand.

[@ritajames7797]

What I don't quite understand is, if Christians believe Jesus paid for their sins when they beieve in Him, why do Catholics believe they need to pay for their own sins in purgatory? Where does Jesus fit into the Catholic view of Christianity?

[@CPATuttle]

Purgatory is Latin for purification. Judaism before Christ had always believed in purification after death, during Christ, and Judaism today still believes in purification after death. It’s always been part of religion since Judaism

[@jimbotalerico2592]

The Angel Gabriel said, "Hail Mary, full of Grace." If you are full of something (grace) their is no room for anything else. Mary is not worshiped, she is adored. Almost all Protestant Church fathers believed in her perpetual virginity(Calvin wouldn't take a clear stance), even Martin Luther himself. What were some of Christ's last words as he gave up his spirit. "Behold, your mother." Why would he say this if it wasn't important?? She is the new Eve, our Spiritual Mother. Has anyone looked into 10,000 people witnessing the Miracles at Fatima as the Sun danced? Revelation...the woman clothed in the Sun. As Eve was taken from Adam and brought sin into the world...Christ was taken from Mary to defeat it. Everything she did and said was in perfect obedience to God The Father. What a perfect role model. Christ performed his first miracle at Her request, even though "his time had not yet come." Praying for the dead? Read Maccabbes But in all sincerity, there is way too much division and misunderstanding between Catholics and Protestants. Never, I believe, has there been a more important time for CHRISTIANS, of all denominations to be United as the Body of Christ. Some of the strongest Christians I know are Protestant and there is much to gain from one another. May the Peace and Love of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, be with all of you and your families, now and forever, Amen.

[@beulahnisly2982]

I certainly agree with your last sentence, but I never heard of perpetual virginity. We know that Mary had other sons and daughters by Joseph. I'm sure that my forefathers who broke with the Catholic church in Switzerland didn't teach that.

[@KayElayempea]

@@beulahnisly2982 Jesus's brothers and sisters could be step brothers and step brothers, I do not think it ever says in the bible that Jesus's brothers are Mary and Joseph's biological children together. In other words the Bible does not comment for or against Mary's virginity for the rest of her life after Jesus's birth. I do not think it is something that Protestants should argue over. There are other things that matter more.

[@arcguardian]

@@KayElayempea u still can't make a case for perpetual virginity on that info either. If ur assuming either way, if shouldn't be taught either way.

[@beulahnisly2982]

@@blakeromano2431 No, definitely not Zwingli. I remember seeing a monument of Zwingli in Zurich with his sword and we said "He used the sword and perished by the sword. No, our heroes from Zurich were Conrad Grebel and Felix Manz who debated Zwingli. Felix Manz died for his faith - he was drowned in the Limmat River. Many of the Anabaptists fled to Southern Germany and the Alcase region of France before immigrating to America.

[@beulahnisly2982]

@@blakeromano2431 I haven't read my history for a while but there was also a Georg Blaurock - these guys had been with Zwingli, but broke with him. It was the reformed church that hunted down my ancestors. They went from being the debaters to being "the quiet in the land" in Southern Germany. They were I think the first to separate church and state. Thanks!

[@lyricberlin]

All Catholics are Christian but not all Christians are Catholic. What is important is that we know Jesus was the Son of God and he died for our sins. Raised southern Baptist and I mean the hardcore yelling how awful I was every Sunday. Went to Mass with my aunt that babysat me one time and couldn't believe how peaceful it was. How everyone participated and didn't just sit there while a man red faced ran back and forth across the stage yelling at you about how you are worthless and will burn in Hell. I was 10 tho and my parents especially my mom went nuts when I told them I wanted to be Catholic. She made my aunt tell me you had to be born Catholic. It wasn't until I was grown a lady told me about RCIA classes. I couldn't get to them soon enough. Proud Catholic for decades now. Read my Bible and pray daily. Catholicism saved me as a Christian. If I had stayed in that Church, when I grew up I would have never stayed Christian. Makes me sad when people say Catholics aren't Christian because we very much are.

[@bb-od9ku]

Catholics aren't suppose to read the bible though growing up as one nobody told us to and we had no real understanding or relationship with him

[@bb-od9ku]

I quit believing until I started again and went to a Baptist church an it was peaceful to me lol I don't know the answers but it's funny how things are backwards for us

[@willbell9642]

I haven’t been plugged in lately, I’m glad to be back hearing truth.

[@n_l_o]

Isn't any religion that believes in a false gospel or salvation by any means other than through Christ alone a cult by definition?

[@naturematt4340]

Next video: calvinism isn't a cult... but I have serious concerns

[@arcguardian]

Lol this comment is underrated.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

How is Catholicism a cult? Explain that to me, you wicked heretic.

[@Roger-il8iw]

He has already made Calvinism look ridiculous in numerous videos

[@JP-hr3xq]

It's been done. But then you also have to hear the other side presented by a Calvinist apologist before you make up your mind.

[@theduke6174]

Mike wasn't addressing the blatant heretic doctrines of the Roman Catholic church, too soft, too hesitant for no reason, but Allan didn't hold back! That's what we need.

[@AmayaRenee01]

I’m so thankful to God that there are biblical teachers like this explaining certain things more in depth. I have learned so much and I’m extremely grateful for people like this! Thank you 🙏🏽

[@samuelthygerson6009]

So you take their word as fact? Do you go an read everything they gave, read the Book of Mormon, instead of them saying 1 without context disowns one of the Bible? That is blindly following someone, and that is very dangerous, it was from these videos that I felt facts, yet not everything was godly.

[@AmayaRenee01]

@@samuelthygerson6009 I do not take their word as fact. But, I’ve watched enough of their content to know that everything they’re saying aligns with scripture. I’m not ‘blindly’ following anybody. Jesus is the only way 🙏🏽

[@samuelthygerson6009]

@@AmayaRenee01 Jesus said that we all need our own testimonies, so have a solid testimony yourself from reading the Book of Mormon and ask God in the name of Christ if it is NOT true.

[@AmayaRenee01]

@@samuelthygerson6009 No Thankyou. The Book of Mormon does not align with the fundamental teachings of Jesus, and Christianity. Jesus is the only way.

[@samuelthygerson6009]

@@AmayaRenee01 So the Book of Mormon does not say we need to obey the 10 commandments, that we need to love our neighbor, that it is meant to bring joy to everyone, that it is ANOTHER testimony of Jesus Christ? All those things are in the Book of Mormon, also it gives a detailed record of the early Americas, so if anything, read it to know about history, not Christ. The Bible is true, I have no doubt, and countless hours of me studying what the Bible and Book of Mormon teaches together I found hundreds of areas where they matched, from 2nd Nephi quoting Isaiah, to 3rd Nephi when Christ came to the Americas, and taught His gospel, I found similarities with the New Testament there. Do not take my word for it, for I cannot tell you it is true, yet the scriptures say it is by faith that we know all things.

[@ParadeTheGospel]

Different Gospel.

[@spacecoastz4026]

I was born and raised Catholic. Almost never read the Bible. Went to church and thought I was "doing" what I needed to do. Then...I retired and decided to study the Bible. God showed me the truth and I'll never go back to Catholicism. I've never been closer to God than I am today.... In all my years in church, I don't think I ever heard a sermon about the Gospel, about Grace, about faith alone, etc. The church never led me to Christ...but Scripture did.

[@arcguardian]

Glory to God. Thanks for sharing, brother in Christ.

[@berns4146]

Catholicism isn't a cult? Anyone who would make the claim that Catholicism isn't a cult either has zero understanding of Catholic doctrine or they have no knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ...or both. I was born into Catholicism and was saved by the grace of God as a thirty year old married father of three. I've studied the doctrines and traditions of the Catholic church and can say without any reservation that it has no chance of being mistaken for the truth.

[@draugami]

Perhaps it should be called The Roman Galatian Church, as you pointed out. But seriously, when a church seriously departs from Scriptural teaching (even if they profess reverence for Scripture), I would have serious reservations calling it an orthodox church. (I was originally RC.)

[@CharlieKraken]

Please pray for my mom's side of the family, my mom is the only non-Catholic on her side, and I worry that the various unbiblical teachings of the Catholic church, especially from the current Pope, will confuse their faith and lead them further astray from God.

[@Heaveniswaitingforyou]

I will pray for them! ♥️🙏Please pray for my husband and his family. My husband is starting to see through the teachings of Catholicism! His whole family in Poland are all very much Catholic as it’s intertwined with culture and their church/state.

[@emilyf5596]

@@Heaveniswaitingforyou Prayers to you from the UK! My father's side of our family is also Polish RC. I have this year broken off to simply Christian.

[@CharlieKraken]

@@Heaveniswaitingforyou I will pray for them as well then! Stay strong!

[@CPATuttle]

Dr. Brant Pitre is great! i recommend search his videos

[@CPATuttle]

Mike you should have a Catholic come on to discuss what the Catholic Church believes. It only makes sense, right?

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

All Catholics believe different things. But overall it is corrupted. Just watch end time productions on the vatican.

[@CPATuttle]

@@tiredoftheworld4834 you want me to watch a video created by a Protestant on the Catholic Church?

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@CPATuttle if you want truth you would watch it even if you don’t agree. Just know the pope and the Vatican is not in your interests

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@CPATuttle and he never said he was Protestant. I grew up “non denominational” and I think that that qualifies me as a Protestant in your eyes. But you would be very arrogant if you denied even listing to what I have to say because you see me as your sworn enemy. I’m trying to tell you the truth from even the mouth of the popes and not my mouth

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

My whole other family members are Catholic. My cousin is even Catholic and dabbles in the occult and the new age. I wonder why, if he has read all the Catholic scriptures, that he is getting into things that are forbidden in the Christian faith and Judaism.

[@freakylocz14]

I'm an Evangelical Catholic, and I don't believe that works save us at all. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. . Jesus, I trust in You! ✝️

[@the.imprint]

It is a cult behind closed doors snd it is pagan related in many ways.

[@mariagorettij2308]

The doors of the Catholic Church are more open than any denomination I have seen. there are no closed doors.

[@dartheli7400]

@@mariagorettij2308 Assuming you‘re catholic, it‘s funny how you only objected to the closed doors. So you agree that it‘s a cult and pagan in many ways?

[@dartheli7400]

@@dontask3528 If spirit filled catholics exist, then despite their teachings. But you‘re not catholic, if you don‘t hold to catholic doctrine. Therefore, spirit filled catholics technically don‘t exist.

[@juadwhite1391]

@Chelsi -Anna May Allah lead you to his path ❤

[@driller7714]

So is Christmas, so is Easter, so is the trinity doctrine, so is the cross. Pagan idolatry. Protestants calling Catholics pagan are the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy.

[@kimbers1238]

Being raised as a catholic I can say u don't have to go back near as far to remember NOT being encouraged to read ur bible. Obviously no longer catholic

[@Kanjiro.D]

Were in the bible did it say you should read your Bible

[@sarapujols350]

Exactly! It’s amazing how good Catholics are at manipulating and gaslighting us into not reading the Bible. Thankfully, most Catholics don’t know what they believe and are saved despite that religion.

[@Kanjiro.D]

@@sarapujols350 question what were normal people reading before the CATHOLIC put together our Bible

[@dellaswanson9837]

@@Kanjiro.D Im sorry to say but that's an ignorant question. God wants us to read and study and even meditate from His word night and day

[@johnyang1420]

You walked away from your salvation then. You can come back home.

[@gurucarcar]

Get serious and chat with an expert like Bishop Barron. Western thought/Christianity would have not flourished if it wasn't for the Catholic Church.

[@cjohnson2159]

Thank you, Mike for being sooo thorough and respectful in your explanations when talking about other religions. I learn so much with your videos

[@johnyang1420]

Google “Which church did Jesus start?” Catholic!!!!

[@judyswiderski2682]

Who wrote that? An unbias Catholic?

[@TonyT-jn9vf]

Just so you know, Mike is deliberately slandering and bearing false witness against the Catholic faith. He clearly has little respect for what Catholics believe if he thinks that we are "fuzzy" on if Jesus paid the price for our sins.

[@tonypreston7278]

@@johnyang1420 not everything on Google is true lol

[@tonypreston7278]

@Brian Farley all you have to do is look at the councils. You’re taking his word for it when you could literally go and see for yourself.

[@melroycorrea7720]

Its a mistake for Mike to say that Catholics deny Jesus is both sufficient and necessary for salvation. But we believe that faith is justifiably seen in good works.

[@samuelrosenbalm]

Except for the easy believism heretics, we protestants believe the exact same thing. Good works are not the root of salvation, but they are the necessary fruit, and where good works are absent, such a person is not saved. The Bible is absolutely clear that we have been saved unto good works. I have other disagreements with the Catholic church. But I think it's disingenuous to attack Catholics for believing in works salvation when we ourselves also affirm the need for works.

[@brando3342]

I don’t believe Allan made a good account of the Catholic objection to sola scriptura. They will tell you that someone had to compile the canon of the Bible in the first place and that was the Church and the church fathers. Therefore, the person who says “I justify my beliefs by scripture alone” has actually already conceded that sola scriptura is contradictory. If you accept the canonized Bible, then you accept the authority of the word of the church fathers apart from the direct word of the Bible. Nowhere in scripture does it say which books are to be canonized and our understanding of scripture itself is relegated to the canon. This is a knockdown argument for strict sola scriptura as far as I can tell, and so I prefer “Prima Scriptura”, which is to say “scripture first”. Scripture is the PRIME authority, before all others.

[@caiqueportolira]

Good take

[@arcguardian]

K what other authorities are there? Scripture itself is from God. No one is obeying authors in the Bible, we obey the Holy Spirit. Since God doesn't change, His word doesn't change either. The instruction to not add to or subtract from The Word is also established in the Bible.

[@User_Happy35]

If we believe that the Holy scripture is inspired and God breathed, it has no other source but God. Just because the Catholic church helped to compile it does not mean that they are source of the canon. These books were already recognized as holy scripture even before they were compiled by the RCC.

[@brando3342]

@@User_Happy35 Yes, but I think you’re not appreciating the point. The New Testament was not recognized as a specific set of books before the church compiled them and part of sola scriptura is that one cannot go outside the canon specified. The Jews had the Tenach, but it was not combined with the New Testament books and letters until the church did so. If we say that the Holy Spirit guided the writing of the scripture and that’s why we follow it, that same logic has to be applied to those who compiled the books, that they were also lead by the Holy Spirit to do so. That’s just being consistent. If we do that, then we are back to square one of my argument, because scripture doesn’t specify any specific person being led by the Holy Spirit to compile any specific books.

[@rem7794]

I have never heard Catholics use such derogatory terms against other Christians (or other people by the way) as many of you use against us; that make me think that something is so wrong...

[@ErraticFaith]

Because this really happened. Let me present you with a scenario. A man came stumbling into a village. Broken, bleeding and near the end of his life. Please save us he declared. Remarking on a nearby battle. Bloody and cruel. Nobody put themselves aside to help. Nobody believed in getting involved. Aside from the Catholic Knights who attended to his care and massed themselves before charging into that fight. They defeated that adversary. People who were raping and brutalizing unarmed people. With no regard to their own safety. Faith. Without action. Means nothing. They said. All those centuries later. Lets just say that there a group of people still out there who remember those times. You think them Christians? Perhaps Pagans or Atheists? No. They would be Muslims. Later, people who would become better known in the days of Colonel Lawrence and the modern era. Yet for what wasn't much shy of thousands of years. They remembered. Is it Godly to run your mouth. To criticize. Or is it that some in the world must raise their banners. And when they fight. They remember all those they cared for, spent time with and died beside. They call them Traditions. Our Catholic friends have many. None of which are anything the Protestants claim them to be. Sad no? That Christians biggest enemy is their own civil war. Something that had both camps killing each other like animals. Pathetic. But that is all Christians and their religion are now. A pitiful broken shell of a noble group that was. Oh and to be clear, whilst I am not Christian - I am a student of history to a point. Mainly major battles and engagements. So if you are going to pull the 'what the crusaders did' line; I know. I know what was done right and what was wrong. Saladin knew and respected the good. Even when he didn't agree with the beliefs themselves. So I am aware that many who called themselves christian commited crimes and let the side down. That was the nature of the world back then. No modern tools. No phones and easy life. But they weren't Christian. Thats why the oft called them heretics. Everyone is smart enough to understand that not every police officer is corrupt. Some are very good and care a lot about true belief. So did many Knights. And they protected Christendom for over a thousand years, whilst everyone else did nothing. Try and remember that. Your do nothing Protestantism is a hilarious joke if you think yourselves fit to criticize them.

[@teacup3133]

I stated a similar comment because I'm sick of Protestant misinterpretation of Catholicism and the constant ill-informed criticisms. I like Winger very much but he doesn't. get it about Catholicism.

[@adjustedbrass7551]

I have seen it multiple times.

[@missmegan3694]

What "derogatory" terms? He sounded very respectful to me.

[@NotDanValentine]

Usually Catholics are really guarded in conversations about faith. When I start conversations about Jesus the top 3 rejections are: "I'm Jewish" "I believe in science" or "I'm Catholic".

[@brucebarber4104]

I'm a Catholic who refuses to argue with heretics per the advice St. Paul gave to St. Titus wherein he says they are perverted and sinful and they stand self-condemned. Titus 3:9-11

[@MossEYE-]

It’s only heretical if it goes against scripture. Not if it goes against what a man that was never supposed to have papal supremacy interpreted. You do realize the Pope wasn’t a thing until around 1200-1500 right? He is just a Bishop of Rome that he and the king wanted more power over its people for the crusades

[@OctagonalSquare]

@@brucebarber4104then you must not ever debate other Catholics.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@OctagonalSquare, I debate Catholics all the time. We have lively discussions.

[@roxleyldc]

Quiet down, Alan!

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

Hey Mike, invite dr Pitre Brant to explain to you about catholicism because you are very biased and don't know anything about our faith

[@IAmisMaster]

Protestant here...initial justification and final justification is Biblical. Jesus will judge each human being according to his works (Matthew 16:27) (Romans 2:6-11).

[@USA-qu2nw]

The Bible also says your good works are like filthy rags. Jesus said it is finished and I believe Him. You have to read the whole council of God's word!

[@IAmisMaster]

@@USA-qu2nw Show me in the Bible where it says that.

[@USA-qu2nw]

@@IAmisMaster Isaiah 64:6

[@IAmisMaster]

@@USA-qu2nw There is no reason to interpret that prophetic word from Isaiah as being about all people at all times, when the context is only all Israelites at that moment in time, when God was about to judge them through Babylon for being wicked. The Bible also says we have become the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21), so how can God’s righteousness in us be filthy rags? The Bible also calls the righteous acts of those who live by faith as blameless and justifying (Zechariah and Elizabeth righteous for obeying God’s commands (Luke 1:6)) (Abraham and Rahab in James 2:20-26)

[@TheOnlyAnglicanintheroom]

I use to find these types of conversations interesting but the more I learn the more I find it uninteresting to hear 2 Protestants discuss the issues with Catholicism. Speak to Catholics (genuine ones) and discuss actually points of agreement and disagreement that is interesting. As a Protestant I think we can learn so much from our Catholic brothers and sisters. Protestantism has many flaws that Catholicism handles well and vice versa

[@henrybayard6574]

I doubt you'll see that.

[@mezmurplace9296]

I think the problem is they are not honest, just like when you confront Muslims with what’s on their scriptures, they deny. You know what they do, but they deny or at least try to justify. There are so many former Catholics, they tell you what they used to do.

[@USA-qu2nw]

They are not our brothers and sisters. It's a false religion. They pray to Mary and that's an abomination

[@TheRhapsodyEternal]

Amen! I'm Catholic and my in-laws are Baptist (FIL is a preacher!). We have some great conversations. The CC has been around for centuries and there are some things we get right and others we don't. That's why it's so important to have these discussions. We are meant to help and love each other. Not go at each others throats dues to dogmatic disputes. WE (all Christians) are the body of Christ and should not be divided amongst ourselves. (PS, we don't pray to Mary. Common misconception. 😁)

[@henrybayard6574]

@@USA-qu2nw What's false about??

[@jediv9492]

@fantasia55 *You are talking about latter deviations. Not the Earliest Christianity. Earliest Christianity from Jesus, APostles and NT Church said nothing of Romanct Mass (sacrificing Jesus on the altar back to God). Neither Romanct transubstantiation (elements transforms into Jesus). Neither Roman ct "praying and receiving prayers from Romanct canonised saints". Neither Primacy of Rome or Romanct man made doctrine of papacy.* you said Early Christianity was very Catholic - all about the Mass and the Communion of Saints and the authority of bishops.

[@dougitoonsdesigns]

How can the most idolatrous, Prideful pagan and apostate denomination on the planet not be called a cult? Is it to big? Too powerful? The title of your video and your reluctance to call it out as much as you do other non-evangelical denominations corrodes and undermines your apologetic credentials Mike and Allan

[@michaeltiza232]

What evil being would want you to think that you can't do what the Bible says? How helpless we would be if we had to get on a waiting list for a certain church to do an exorcism, or go to a building to have our sins forgiven. What about if we were tricked into thinking that what Jesus did was not enough and we might have to go to a man made place called "purgatory" to suffer for our sins? What if there was a lock down, we would have to hang up our religion next to our coat until nonbelievers said it was time to take it up again.

[@paulmurray3671]

Lord, have mercy on Mike Winger and Allen Parr for being so totally wrong about the Church you founded, and hating your mother Mary.

[@shellahightower5584]

Lord have mercy Christ have mercy Lord have mercy

[@tomeypaul2212]

I have a question for you Mike....why do protestants have many denominations in 40 to 50000........

[@psyck]

Protestant just means any Christianity based religion that’s not ruled by Rome. Greek Orthodox, Lutherans and Calvinists also fall under that umbrella. Just shows that some people would rather handle snakes than be Catholic. 😂

[@stever4181]

@@psyck It also includes New Age, Prosperity, JWs, & Mormons. All painted with the same ungodly brush of the Catholic Church!

[@AngieLyke]

​​@@stever4181 no. New age. Jw and Mormons are NOT denominations of Christianity. They are not Christian. JW believe Jesus is an angel. Mormons Jesus is a created being. He is a god. And the brother to Lucifer. They are both sons of God the Father and his wife.

[@PreciousBloodOfJesus7777]

A better question is why did the catholic church torture and murder millions of Protestants?

[@GratiaPrima_]

You know why Roman Catholicism isn’t a cult? Because we are the first Christians. Our councils defined orthodox Christianity vs heresy. You can say Mormonism is a cult because a Catholic councils defined the true Trinitarian doctrines and they disagree with it.

[@TheRealMonnie]

This is inaccurate. You were taught catholics were the first Christians, because any cult will tell you to think certain things to make you stick around.

[@GratiaPrima_]

@@TheRealMonnie actually, I was taught as a Baptist that Catholics were the first Christians. It’s just accurate church history… the people who defined the doctrines of the Trinity, the nature of Christ (fully God and fully man), the cannon of the New Testament… they went to Mass.

[@USA-qu2nw]

The Catholic priests sure look like Pharisees to me

[@GratiaPrima_]

@Jason San Miguel what? I don’t understand your question. But yes, I worship the Holy Spirit. Trinity.

[@Player-re9mo]

@@GratiaPrima_ The Orthodox Christians were first!

[@sonnybrown4758]

Ironically I was led on a long journey by the Spirit through many evangelicals and a Bible in a year read back to the Catholic Church. Even more ironically it was in large part due to something pastor John McCarther said in an interview where he said basically that the Church had the Eucharist wrong since the first century. I had to really sit and ponder that. Am I to believe that Jesus died and was brought to glory by the Father only to have his beloved church fall into error barely a generation removed from the Him and the Apostles? And I mean you have to really look at the history and think about this. This isn’t some corruption that happened in the Middle Ages. This was Church Fathers. The very beginning.

[@7ruijorge]

Read A Woman rides the Beast by Dave Hunt. Dont be deceived. Roman Catholicism was not the first church established by Christ. The book its a comprehensive study showing you rcc is the woman in Rev 17, but uses Catholic references to prove it..... do not be deceived.

[@Expeditehistory]

Galatians bro. Paul wrote it earlier than any other epistle to a church he founded that was (after a few years) already going wildly astray.

[@tracykarol]

John MacArthur is a Calvinist who believes God predetermines who will be saved and who will be damned. He believes you have no free choice in the matter. That’s as disturbing to me as some things I learned as a former Catholic. Please don’t base your view of theology on John MacArthur or any one teacher (except Scripture), other than the gospel with no study guide. Read it yourself and come to your own conclusions. Then look widely at different teachers and learn more about what you already know, revealed to you with no bias.

[@tracykarol]

@@7ruijorge That’s pushing it. Well, maybe the current pope. But I’m not convinced the RCC is the woman. I’m no longer Catholic but I also strongly disagree with MacArthur. Jesus died for all who believe. It’s that simple.

[@7ruijorge]

@@tracykarol I agree with your view against Calvinism.......the Lord desires that none should perish and that all come to repentance and faith in Christ indeed. I am no longer roman catholic after reading the Scriptures. Actually got saved in my car driving listening to the audio Bible, the four Gospels specifically.......had revelation the Scriptures were true above all else. The book I mentioned Woman rides the beast....read see what you think...another one is Keith Malcomson - The Scarlet Woman......... We can agree the RCC has a different gospel which is not the gospel of the Bible. In fact when you compare the set up of the RCC with JWs and Mormons its all similar in that they have other resources apart from the bibile plus they all argue they the one true church......its the same demonic deception in different forms.

[@panosfillipou14]

Catholicism is not a cult .And i am not catholic . But if you say Catholicism is a cult then you just wiped falsely a huge christian part .People , dont do that , dont divide , unite .

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

Should righteousness unite with unrighteousness? Should that which God calls good unite with that which God calls evil? Should the church be unequally yoked with those who do not believe the truth? "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Should we do what God tells us? Or should we do what you tell us?

[@chlonh]

Matt.10:24-36. Standing for the Truth will have to be a divide

[@JasonLewis544]

Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” II Corinthians 6:14‭-‬17 Catholicism teaches a false gospel, that is darkness, and what fellowship does light have with darkness? We warn them with the scriptures, we do not unite with them and set aside our differences. I'm not saying we avoid them completely we absolutely do not do that, but we do not unite in the name of Christ when we believe 2 different gospels. If we do unite with them we're not loving them, because love does not rejoice in iniquity rather it rejoices in the truth (1 Corinthians 13). God bless you.

[@panosfillipou14]

@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable It is one thing criticizing doctrines or practices and another thing to condemn you fellow Christians or call them a cult . You can do the same with protestants . What is the point ? I can literally quote that back to you : "Should righteousness unite with unrighteousness?" and refer to you as unrighteous as if i am the righteous and you the unrighteous ....... There is no point . It is not like the one is mormon or something .

[@panosfillipou14]

@@chlonh The problem is that you dont stand with the truth . You think you do . So be a little humble and dont call other trinitarian christian denominations cults . MAke video and disagree and debate all you want . You might find that you are the "cult".....

[@reallevifpv]

But the Bible was written by Catholic Church. As a matter of fact the Catholic church existed before the Bible did. The church fathers, tradition ... was before the Bible was written. And protestants also removed some books from the Bible.

[@nehaelis8323]

Yes , translation is also different in some chapters.

[@beckyfrechette4439]

Maybe do something on Eastern Orthodox as well?

[@busymikey]

Agreed

[@jesusislord3003]

Allen is a good listener.

[@lW9497]

Jude 3--"Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints."

[@RevealingTruth911]

Very Well Presented Mike!

[@dellaswanson9837]

Hey I watch your channel! So far your story of someone speaking in to gues is the only really time of witness that I have found and is why I leave it as a gift that might still operate but rare. Have you been in any more encounters or witnesses of people speakimg in actual other languages in tongues?

[@RevealingTruth911]

@@dellaswanson9837 I have the one example of the Filipino from my church doing missionary work and also a testimony from a South African couple.

[@dellaswanson9837]

@@RevealingTruth911 that is very cool. I was someone that wished I could speak in tongues but was also taught that it was a gift not working anymor ebut that doesnt make any sense for one gift or two to cease

[@TruthSeeker-333]

My Catholic Faith Catechism - “although we cannot merit grace by our good works, still our good works can beg God for us, to give us grace. Good works are necessary, for God will not save us without our cooperation.” Anyone reading this you owe it to yourself to attend a traditional Latin High mass at least once. I’m a convert from Protestantism and found the truth in orthodox Catholicism. I no longer worship myself as I did when a Protestant, but now I worship and submit my will to God’s.

[@josegadea1507]

"Still our good works can beg God for us, to give us grace." "Good works are necessary" 1. If Salvation is by faith only, then it is not by works. 2. Salvation is by faith only 2. Therefore salvation is not by works. You agree with premise 1, you said: "we cannot merit grace by our good works", which also makes you agree with premise 2. But you disagree with premise 3 or the conclusion: "Good works are necessary, for God will not save us without our cooperation." This means you have contradictory views.

[@user-lh5li8ll7i]

@@josegadea1507 Works are part of faith. Else, why would you do them? Protestants dont seem to undersatnd this. In my opinion it is a confusion with the word 'faith'. Protestants seem to mostly view it as an intellectual thing when the Bible is clear it is not. That it has two parts; intellectual belief and action. This is what St James tried to explain. It was just misinterpreted "Many will say to me Lord, Lord...depart from Me you WORKERS of iniquity" Both are needed: "Faith without works is dead" and "our righteouness is filthy rags". But neither earn grace, that is still a free gift accessed through faith (intellectual+practical) .merit is not the same as earn. My two cents anyway

[@josegadea1507]

@@user-lh5li8ll7i Still, we need to be consistent with scripture. Romans clearly teaching "Salvation is by faith, not by works". Then James comes and he will not contradict Paul, even more, he complements Paul's view. You can actually never have works if you never had faith. Works is the natural response and immediate evidence that one has been born again. So, of course, just like James says, how can you say to someone that they have works but not faith, or vice-versa? But the only originator of salvation is faith, just like Paul says. Works is the fruit of salvation, not the cause of salvation. If I see the fruit in you, I can conclude you have salvation, but I know the fruit is not the origin of the tree, by the fruits I know that the tree is alive.

[@user-lh5li8ll7i]

@Bible scanned. No corrupted books. I didnt say it was 50/50, actually the opposite. I said grace can't be earned and it is a free gift. Just to be clear, when you say we just have to believe in Jesus, then that obviously means His words. And He repeatedly tells us He will judge us by our works, for example: "I was hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me..." And as St.James put it: "True religion in the eyes of God is looking after widows and orphans" This is not trusting works to save you, your works are your faith. For example, the old saying: "Actions speak louder than words". Only Jesus can save us but how else can you show Him your faith but through your response and obedience to His words and example? Thats why I said, it is not simply intellectual belief that the Bible talks about when it talks of faith.

[@user-lh5li8ll7i]

@@josegadea1507 "If I see the fruit in you I can conclude you have salvation". So you would need to see fruit in order to tell, right? Without the fruits there is no evidence. I get what you are trying to say but my point is being misrepresented. I never said works are the origin of salvation, I said they are faith in action which I think its pretty clear, thats what the Bible means by faith; "Love your neighbour..." "Do unto others..." "Deny yourself and take up your cross..." "I was hungry and you fed me..." "If you say: Go in peace stay warm and well fed..." The Good Samaritan The Parable of the Two Sons All these things require action on our behalf. Now if you dont do these things but say you have faith, do you really? Surely you would do them if you did. As I said in another post, faith in Jesus is not believing He is God, the devil knows that and he's in hell, it's living and acting in accordance with His words because that is the only way to actually prove your faith. As you said, it is shown by fruits. This doesnt mean you are saving yourself through works it is showing that you believe in what Jesus said. It is only Jesus that can save us but through our actions we show Him our faith. These works are obedience to Christ's commands so they are by definition faith in Him and not apart from Him.

[@ChaosRevealsOrder]

Mike: *ABCDEFGHIJKLMN...* Allen: nod

[@jediv9492]

​ @snappyjo4642 *You are so indoctrinated by Romanct's false claims. Nowhere in the Bible says "full of grace" in any tenses = sinless". So where is your proof that it was so?* *Bible says Stephen was "full of grace" too. Was Stephen sinless too?* you said number 1: Only Mary is given the name “full of grace,” and in the perfect tense, indicating that this permanent state of Mary was completed.

[@johnflorio3052]

I look forward to seeing Mike Winger, Allen Parr, Francis Chan, and John MacArthur appearing on EWTN as guests on The Journey Home.

[@johnyang1420]

Hopefully!!!!!

[@lonelyberg1808]

😆

[@ubespam5477]

Especially John MacArthur! He's on my prayer list!

[@lauraa2877]

A catholic friend of mine invited me to mass one Sunday, so I decided I would go with her, as soon as the priest began to pray to arch angel Michael, I knew I was never coming back.

[@dellaswanson9837]

Praying to angels....worshipping angels......

[@lonelyberg1808]

The problem is that unlike Protestants we don't take prayer as a synonym for worship, in fact prayer is not always synonymous with worship for the mere reason that praying is to *ask.* In french we can say "Je te prie/ I pray you" which can be translated as I'm asking you. Contrary to what Della Swanson above said, when I pray to an angel like my guardian angel I'm asking him to pray for me. It would be weird to see that I'm worshiping him just by the fact that I'm doing this but when someone says to his friend "pray for me", no one will complain saying that he is in reality worshipping his friend. Some good examples to illustrate this are the Hail Mary _"Hail Mary..._ _pray for us sinners..."_ or the Litany Of The Saints ( Litaniae Sanctorum ) in Gregorian chant on KZbin which is essentially just that : praying the saints in heaven by asking them to "pray for us" ( _"ora pro nobis"_ ). I don't see where the idolatry is in all of this. I'm not gonna do all the blabla, like many catholics I suggest you to check the channel "The Counsel of Trent", he made two videos about this subject named "Does praying to saints make them gods" or "Do saints in heaven hear our prayer". St Thomas Aquinas also made an article in his Summa theologica : Question 72. Prayers with regard to the saints in heaven where he answers with objections + answer. It is available on the website "New Advent". There's finally Joe Heschmeyer ( who has his apologetic blog "Shameless Popery" ) who recently made a video on the channel Catholic Answer named "The Jewish root of praying for the dead". Have a nice day.

[@johnyang1420]

In Catholicism, there are prayers to ask and prayers to worship. Prayers to saints is asking. Catechism forbids idol worship of any kind. Look it up.

[@dellaswanson9837]

@@johnyang1420 I think only God is the one who hears our prayers instantaneuosly all the time so it doesnt make any sense to pray to God but directing a saint and then have God give the message to a saint its like what? No God is omnipotent and is the alpha and omega. He knows our thoughts and feelings alone.

[@ericsonofjohn9384]

@@dellaswanson9837 If God already knows your thoughts why pray at all? Have you never asked friends or family to pray for you? How is that any different to this?

[@livingwaterministries9319]

Yes Catholicism is one any religion that follows a leader other than jesus is one.

[@USA-qu2nw]

AMEN

[@BeautifulPinkFlowers]

I used to be a Born Again Christian and but then Jesus saved me and I surrendered my life to Him and became Catholic. Jesus is Lord!

[@countryboyred]

I was a Protestant and I prayed sincerely to God that He lead me to the true church. He showed me that the Orthodox Church is the true church. Praise the Lord.

[@jediv9492]

​ @snappyjo4642 *You are once again demonstrating you DO NOT READ THE BIBLE. Bible listed the siblings of Jesus. Bible does not say they were "cousins".* *You are wrong. There are two words for cousin in Greek - Sungenis and Anepsios. NT was written in Greek. If they wanted to mean "cousin". They would have used that two words.* you said I can start off with one right away that is a misinterpretation. Mary never had children of her own and the Bible never said they were her children, but you can make believe they were just not Biblical. In the time of Jesus all men where called brothers, there was no word for cousins or step brothers or sisters.

[@EricAlHarb]

Wow Mike so misunderstands merit vs grace. I am not even Catholic. Im Orthodox, but I gotta say this guy is way off.

[@3leon306]

His ignorance of theology and strawman attacks sell on this channel since he is accountable to no corrective authority … sad. And he chooses not to debate

[@TonyT-jn9vf]

Horribly uncharitable of Mike. I pray that he repents.

[@CPATuttle]

It’s terrible. This is why Orthodox and Catholics need to unite together to take on heretical Protestantism

[@EricAlHarb]

@@CPATuttle well we need to unite period. But the question is who’s going to move their position?

[@TonyT-jn9vf]

@@EricAlHarb Many of our doctrines can be reconciled other than the papacy. I think that if more Orthodox are open to reuniting some will return to full communion because papal supremacy is already in ecumenical councils and believed by church fathers. Many EO tend to miss important distinctions and nuances that are essential to understand Catholic doctrine

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

Check Dr Pitre Brant for purgatory

[@dwong9289]

Amen. Dr Pitre knows how to show the truth of the Catholic faith from the scriptures. Protestants would love him, since he is so immersed in the Scriptures!

[@jediv9492]

​ @fantasia55 *False claims. Some Apostles were still living in ad70s. They did not record any of those activities. You are making false claims based on spurious writings of Ignatius and Irenaeus. Not true history.* you said Bishops of Rome were issuing orders to Christians in other countries as early as AD 70. All of the Church Fathers acknowledged his supremacy. You should read about early Christianity.

[@jediv9492]

@snappyjo4642 *R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

[@jediv9492]

@snappyjo4642 *You poor soul. Bible and real history did not say Roman Church = the Christ's Church or Universal Church. Neither does Bible teach Roman Mass (sacrificing Jesus on the altar back to God). So where did Roman Church get all your ns?* you said one who actually left the Church who knew much about the Catholic Church, especially the Mass. the Church Christ built.

[@GR65330]

In order to understand the Papacy, it is important to understand it in the context of the Davidic Kingdom, as Jesus, as the Son of David, establishes His Church in accordance with the Davidic Kingdom. In 1 Kings 4:7, King Solomon had 12 officers to rule over Israel. Jesus had 12 Apostles which were picked by him to rule over His Church after He ascended into heaven. The Davidic Kingdom also had a prime minister who had the absolute authority of the King. In Isaiah 22:15-24 God is angry with his prime minister Shebna, and will replace him with Eliakim, who will be given the keys to the Kingdom, and will have the power to open and shut, who will be a father figure to his people, and who will be a sure peg on a throne of honor to his father. The whole weight of his father’s house shall rest on him. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of God (Mathew 16:18-19), a symbol of authority prefigured by Eliakim in the OT. Peter and his successors have the power to bind and loose (open and shut) in the name of Jesus, from Matthew 18:18. The entire weight of the Catholic Church rests on the Pope and his teachings, just like the entire weight of David's house rested on Eliakim. There Mike, you have the Papacy by using the scriptures alone.

[@garyr.8116]

so true Greg, but Protestants have abandoned scripture (OT) as well as tradition, and in doing so the NT (meaning) is lost to them as well :( Jesus even affirms authority he puts in place : @Matthew 23:4 - "So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

[@boku5192]

This

[@JosephandIsaiah]

Mike I would love to here your thoughts on Orthodoxy vs your beliefs! Thanks for what you do!

[@nadogrl]

He asks for requests to be emailed to him, so he sees them. Too many comments on here for him to go through.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

Anything is better than protestantism.

[@snappyjo4642]

@@baldwinthefourth4098No Islam is far worse then being in a Protestant sect. Yes there are tens of thousands of them but at least most believe in Christ.

[@MossEYE-]

Are you Orthodox? Or do you not know exactly what Protestantism is?

[@jediv9492]

​ @believer8793 *You are "a believer" for 30 years and you DO NOT READ THE BIBLE? How funny.* *Bible says Church = believers. Nothing to do with "how long" or "when" or "how ancient".* *Where in the Bible says "Roman Church = Christ's Church or Universal Church"? My Bible most certainly DID NOT SAY SO. Neither real history.* you said Your gathering has been around how long? Christ established a Church that the gates of hell would not prevail. So how can your gathering be the church Christ established?

[@davidteh2854]

As a christian who had to go through a catholic High school. I would say this is very insightful and accurate (Cause It does reflect the battles I had back then).

[@IvanAlvarezCPACMA]

I was Catholic for almost 26 years; in hindsight, its a cult and a false religion that is not compatible with true Christianity.

[@lkae4]

We are called for battle. Be humble, be proud, be grateful that God guided you through those false teachings. And keep fighting for the glorious Gospel.

[@peli_candude554]

@@IvanAlvarezCPACMA Perhaps you could elaborate on that for others. I have been following Catholicism for two years and do not find it to be a cult at all. They do things differently but no different than, say, the progressives that allow same sex marriage. Now that is a cult that is in the true sense of the world of cultural influences. The New Testament was a guide to follow what Jesus taught but it was not complete or even pertinent to what our society is allowing today. We need to be constantly reminded that the world is not our friend but we can function within it as long as we do not adapt too much of the cultural noise that has been creeping into the churches. So, please, let me know what you think is cult about praising the Saints for their examples, and Mary for her dedication to being the Mother of God. She did, after all, give up a life of breeding babies and all that goes along with it to give birth and guidance to Jesus. That is worthy of praise but not worship of any human.

[@IvanAlvarezCPACMA]

@@peli_candude554 I was Catholic for 25 years of my life, my uncle is a deacon in the Catholic Church, its heretical and a cult; first, the adoration of Mary and the saints. Bowing to statutes and lighting candles to figures of saints; believing that carved images stored in temples can "heal" and people lining the streets to touch the feet of the image so that it may heal, Juan Diego becoming a "Saint" - read the account of what the "elohim" that took the figure of Mary said to Juan Diego...check that against scripture. Please explain how the above doesn't make Catholicism a heretical cult.

[@peli_candude554]

@@IvanAlvarezCPACMA showing reverence for Mary or the Saints because they dedicated their life to Jesus and the church is not heretical and bowing to statues does not commit you to worship them any more than be bowing or even kneeling when you enter a church is little more than showing respect. There are things that are being done that are not necessarily what Jesus taught but they can go any time without changing the love for God and Jesus. I was reluctant to even go into a Catbolic Church because of a lot of propaganda and the s.ex scandals have been very trying and resulted in many people leaving the church. But it's like the parable of the man who a plants weeds in the field at night and the farmer said not to pick them out of fear of killing the good plants. That is what the church faces today even though there are many who should be and hopefully will be removed from their duties. These are challenging times and need the support of all who follow Jesus. Not a time to be running away.

[@lonia.5283]

I was baptized as a baby, into roman catholicism, 4 years ago, God put of the veil i had before my eyes off and i was born again. As the evangelical Christian that i am today, i must say although that my journey with Jesus Christ begun as a roman catholic, this religion put me on the way, made me search for God. I wish the catholics would see, what i now see, and would not add to any of God's Words in any shape or form. Thank you for explaining so well because just as of today, i was asking myself if catholics are real christians or not, if they will get saved and where all their doctrines come from. Now i know were their doctrines come from. I have compassion with them, because i know their genuine and passionate love for Jesus Christ, and I pray and hope God will open their eyes for them to see the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ and believe in it. Amen❤

[@henrybayard6574]

Can you tell me your definition of born again

[@shellahightower5584]

Shame I’ll pray for you

[@dustymikeandtheboys1745]

Thank you Mike and Allen for the hard work you do.

[@jediv9492]

@believer8793 *Roman Catholics are not brothers. So Mat 18 does not apply does it?* *R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity. you said The Scriptures tell us if you have something against your brother go to him and tell him his fault.

[@5BBassist4Christ]

I find Catholicism and Judaism actually have a whole lot in common (except of course theology). I love both groups, and consider both as being the people of God (Jews are the nation of God, and Catholics are part of the Church of God). But they are both heavily driven by dogmatic propaganda that is composed of thousands of years of traditions that is rooted off of somebody's interpretation of scripture, rather than what scripture actually says. Both groups encourage the reading of scripture, but discourage the individual interpretation of scripture. Rather, you must solely rely on what your rabbi/priest tells you the scripture means. And most of the time, the rabbi's/priest's interpretation of the passage is to confirm a preconceived theological position, which the passage may actually contradict. (Protestants can have a tendency to do this too.) Both groups have an oral tradition which is said to be of equal authority to the scriptures, but actually gets treated with more authority than the scriptures. For the Jews that's the Oral Torah; I forget what the Catholics call theirs (something to do with the authority of the church/papestry). Both groups are more studied in history/other writings than scripture. Talmudic Judaism is named after their intense study of the Talmud, which is a commentary of the Mishna, which is a commentary (sort of) of the scriptures. The Jews also have many other writings. The Catholics have the church fathers, whom they study extensively. Study is always good, and I enjoy extra biblical sources, but we need to be careful not to let those extra biblical sources take priority over the biblical sources, which tends to happen. Both groups are heavily lead by tradition which has been developed over time. Of course, tradition is a good thing, but tradition is meant to preserve culture not establish theology; when it gets in the way of the Word of God, then it becomes problematic. This is what Jesus Himself warned about in Mark 7:6-13. P.S. An example of Jews in tradition would be the interpretation of Exodus 23:19b, where the Jews are commanded not to cook a calf/young goat in the milk of its mother. From this short passage, Jews have interpreted that you cannot have meat and dairy together. Nor can they be on the same dish. Rather, you must have two separate sets of dishes: one for eating meals with meat, and the other for eating meals with dairy. The meat dishes can never have dairy touch them, or they become unkosher, nor can the dairy dishes have meat touch them. You also cannot eat/drink dairy for 6 hours after eating meat, nor eat meat for 6 hours after having dairy. All these traditions of man taken from "Do not cook a young goat/calf in its mother's milk." On the flip side, a good means of using this tradition is how the Jews have added to the kosher laws from being the kind of animal that can be eaten, to include restrictions on the kind of killing the animal undergoes. Thus, the Jews have been able to refrain a kosher label on cruel killings of animals, and thus practice the most humane and pain-free methods of slaughtering animals for food. The ultimate point is that tradition can be used for good, or it can be dogmatic and overboard.

[@USA-qu2nw]

Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father except through Him. Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah and Catholics believe you have to do good works in order to get to heaven. Opposite of what Jesus say!!

[@quinntjenkins]

No, Jews that do not believe in Jesus and Catholics are not the people of God.

[@IvanAlvarezCPACMA]

@@USA-qu2nw EXACTLY!

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

Check Dr Pitre Brant, he explained that catholicism get most of their traditions in Judaism especially that they also do what the church fathers did before they had the Bible written dowm

[@quinntjenkins]

@@DarkAngel-cj6sx Watch a James White debate…

[@mikebrines5708]

The question is whether your salvation is based on Christ or being obedient to a church. Catholics weasel on this by saying "well, the Church gets its authority from Christ so it's the same thing." But whenever they disagree with the Bible, or tradition, or the apostles, they always revert to "listen to the Church." Even when they change/invent doctrines. This is the same as the Mormon Church does and every other cult.

[@garyr.8116]

"the Church IS the Pillar & Foundation of Truth" - 1 Tim 3:15 😉 "the Church IS the body of Christ" - Colossians 1:24 ; 1 Corinthians 12:12 ; Romans 12:4-5 😉 "what God has joined together, no man (neither Mike Brines nor Mike Winger) can separate!" 😉

[@mikebrines5708]

@@garyr.8116 Yeah but which church? Isn't that the question? Is the Body of Christ located in Rome and run by pedophiles? Some of the medieval popes were VERY sketchy. Is a mere man the head of the church or is Christ? Did you actually watch this video? Obviously your faith in the Catholic Church is strong. Hope your faith in Christ is stronger because that's what's important.

[@garyr.8116]

@@mikebrines5708 Yes, Christ warned that there would be 'wolves' in and among the flock - but He also addressed the issue commanding the peoples "Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example." (Matthew 23:3). Christ promised that the 'gates of hades will never overcome it', but He never said that it wouldn't suffer trials & injury - rather warned that these things would happen. Discerning Catholics know how to separate Christ's commands from those in proper authority's bad examples!

[@jediv9492]

​ @believer8793 *You are making hilarious claims again. Why you stopped at Abraham and did not dare to carry on? With or without the Bible, God did give commandments; which later became Scriptures.* *Mosaic Law = Scriptures. Why do you claim God did not give any Scriptures? Why?* you said According to Mike Winger you don’t need a gathering all you need is your Bible. Did God give Adam and Eve a Bible? Did God give Noah a Bible? did god give Abraham a Bible?

[@jediv9492]

​ @believer8793 *You are citing misuse of Scriptures. Not true Scripture Alone. Jesus, Apostles and NT Church demonstrated Scripture Alone 180+ times in NT alone. They had a lot of unity. That totally destroys your claim that it DOES NOT WORK.* *Two or more Scriptures saying the same teachings proves a doctrine. In fact no interpretations is needed.* you said Every verse you placed, your own gatherings will disagree with even you… I was a Protestant for 30yrs and seen all the divisions and backbitings even of the HEAD PASTOR. Only to have the guy open a gathering down the block and take some with him. There is no unity…

[@zekdom]

3:11, 4:43 - salvation 16:24, 16:36 - Marriage and sacraments 17:53 - Monarchical Episcopacy

[@jediv9492]

​ @snappyjo4642 *Answer my simple question: Why would Church of Rome (a local church) be the Universal Church/Church (which meant all local churches + all believers)? Since when this Church of Rome became the Universal Church? Which year was that?* *Answer that!*

[@jediv9910]

​ @snappyjo4642 *Bible and real history does not say "Roman Church = the one true Church or the Universal Church or Christ's Church". You kept making false claims you cannot prove. It's embarrassing.* you said may you come home to the only True Church, the Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[@jediv9492]

@fantasia55 *Roman Catholics love false claims. Early Church was NOT Roman Catholic Church. "catholic" in early writings had NEVER ONCE referred to Church of Rome (a local church in history). Why would a local church be the Universal Church/Church (referring to all local churches + all believers)?? When did this Church of Rome (a local church) became the Universal Church/ Church? Which year was that?* *Bible says early Church was a Christian Church (Acts 11:26) spread throughout the region (universal). Not Roman Catholic Church.* you said Early Christianity was very Catholic - all about the Mass and the Communion of Saints and the authority of bishops.

[@Foxfire-xq5ij]

On the issue of Authority, I approach the subject this way: In Whose Authority? Who gave the priests authority to --blank-- And who gave them their authority? And who gave the cardinals their authority? And who gave the pope his authority? And Who gave Peter authority? And Jesus? Where did Jesus get his authority? And why then should I trust in man when God is the authority on scripture?

[@teacup3133]

Jesus is God, as the Son in the Trinity He defers to the Father but He is not less than. There seems to be so much confusion among Protestants.

[@timcoats7567]

Bible can be interpreted in infinite, varying ways. It's _why_ we have different denominations, it's _why_ we put _effort_ into trying to convince others of their errors. EVERYONE thinks that they have it right, but we have so many different beliefs that CAN be supported by a written document. It's why we have judges and juries and not ONLY the Constitution.

[@watchgoose]

If one sincerely prays for discernment when reading Scripture, it will be granted and the truth will be seen.

[@kolbywilliams7234]

I think I have to disagree, Roman Catholicism is a cult. 1. They insist on a form of the eternal sonship of Christ. In their view, Jesus will continue to view not only God as Father, but also Mary as Mother. While this was true while Christ was on Earth, it is not true eternally. This is a rejection of the proper trinity in which Christ, as the Word, is coequal to God and the Holy Spirit in all things. It also makes him lower than Mary, who is not the spiritual mother of the Word, only the mother of Jesus on Earth. That’s a great and honorable thing, but she is not an eternal mother. 2. They deny Christ’s singular role as our divine mediator and intercessor. They pray to Mary, explicitly committing the salvation of their souls to her, so that she will intercede with Christ on our behalf. The belief that there is anyone but Christ that has the capacity to save our immortal souls is a grave heresy. 3. They claim that men, their clergy specifically, are the only men capable of forgiving sins in Christ’s name. Therefore rendering the Roman Catholic Church the only path to our Father according to their theology and rejecting the royal priesthood to which we all belong that allows us to appeal directly to Christ for our repentance. Yet it was Jesus who said that the only way to the Father was through Himself. Any organization that would subvert this core principle of salvation is committing heresy of the highest order. It is salvation on the line. 4. They teach salvation by works. They add a myriad of works to the grace of Christ. This is a total rejection of the crucifixion, for if one adds works, it is no longer by grace. Since grace is only granted through Christ’s atonement on our behalf, to say it is not enough is to reject it completely. Paul is clear that there is no in-between when it comes to work and grace. By teaching works, they not only reject Christ’s work, but teach other’s to do so as well. This is the same heresy that Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses preach and we call them cults. Roman Catholicism should be treated no differently. I have made a case that Roman Catholicism has rejected the triune Godhead (adding Mary and/or by reducing Christ’s authority). They reject salvation by grace alone through the addition of works. I see nothing that keeps them from being called a cult. They claim Christ in word, but reject him in spirit. We need outreach and aid for these deceived children of God. They need our help.

[@dominikdurkovsky8318]

That's not true. At all. Where did you get your information?

[@kolbywilliams7234]

@@dominikdurkovsky8318 From your own teachers. Read the prayer called “mother of perpetual help.” That is a prayer in which the one praying states verbatim “I commit to you my soul” and it is directed to Mary. That is a clearly blasphemous prayer.

[@jediv9492]

​ @snappyjo4642 *Bible and real history did not say "Roman Church = Christ's Church or the Universal Church". You are just regurgitating the self claims of Roman ct. So where is your proof that it was so?? Still waiting ...* you said yes the Catholic/Universal Church is and was and will always be the universal Church as you said.

[@TheSuperbCrow]

What a gross misrepresentation of the one True Faith by those who I assume in charity are ignorant of Our Church’s teachings.

[@tawzerb]

How would they know when they have done enough good works.

[@USA-qu2nw]

It's absolutely a cult

[@bethanyann1060]

That’s not how Catholicism works (no pun intended). We don’t believe God has a hidden checklist that we have to complete in order to make it to heaven. We are initially justified in baptism, a grace which no one could merit. Then we obey the Lord, maintaining our relationship with Him. This includes doing works of charity and mercy, since He commands us to do them. If we commit a grave sin (including sins of omission) after our initial justification, then we must repent and confess those sins. Rinse and repeat.

[@jaypence332]

This is why I think Mike Winger is why worng on. Baptism is required to be saved. 4:03