Cathy Newman reflects (sort of) on Jordan Peterson Interview

[@IndependentManSpeaks]

Sources: Guardian article: tinyurl.com/ybdvwhhu

[@LabTech41]

Given how much damage control they've done post-interview, it just goes to show you how delusional they were to begin with. I mean, they themselves released the interview intact and unaltered because they must've thought they knocked one out of the park. It doesn't just have it's own pathetic quality to it, it's trickled out into the leftist sphere to the point that they'll either try to justify Newman's performance, or downplay it as irrelevant whilst doing everything in their power to discredit and slander Peterson; to the point that there's a sub on Reddit specifically to badmouth Peterson that has fairly high numbers (but that's more a matter of Reddit being taken over and infected by leftists and crowding out anyone else).

[@24yrukdesigner]

Rest of the world > to Cathy Newman: "The NEWs is written by globalists with an agenda via propaganda". (MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, more realistic and evident) :) Have a nice day Cathy, sad for you that you've been exposed ;) x

[@MickeyYahoo]

I was a Peterson fan. I thought it was great that Newman faithfully represented the worst of Peterson's critics. I thought this gave Peterson an opportunity to shine. And he did shine. What more does he want from an interviewer? If he had thanked her form this in his voluminous commentary of this interview, Cathy Newman's detractors would have been fewer, less harsh, and not as easily labeled bullying misogynists. (as many of them are). Peterson has lost me as a fan.

[@commanderspock531]

Cathy Newman is a complete moron, part of the Internationalist, Marxist machines of the Globalists narrative. A total idiot driving us closer and closer to 1984 and the Marxist utopia of state ownership of everything, even our minds, what we say, do and think.

[@davidrapalyea7727]

LabTech The Matriarchy Possesed Just about everything North and East of the Southern Canadian border is as good as gone. For instance, not one of those feminized societies even approach replacement levels of fertility. Further, those very women have already imported the worst alpha male pit vipers on the planet to replace their own inadequate men. It's a slow motion train wreck to Islamic apartheid and that's the BEST these matriarchies will get. And Newman seems hell bent on insuring thats what happens. Possessed.

[@codemonkeybrains]

Why was she trying to "win" in an interview in the first place? I mean, isn't that the whole problem? Instead of just trying to understand her guests' views she was actively trying to push her own views. Journalism has really gone to shit.

[@17losttrout]

Exactly. It was a very tawdry effort. Flim flam rhetoric when dialectic shough have beeb the order of the day.

[@taurtue]

She was trying to criticize Peterson's views, which is what a journalist should do. Interviewing doesn't mean being neutral and never critic toward the person you interview. She just did it very poorly, but the problem wasn't her general approach, it was the fact she wasn't prepared and had super weak arguments.

[@nobodycaresanymore188]

@@taurtue that's not an interview, that's a debate. The two are very different

[@AstarAlight1]

@@taurtue if you saw nothing wrong with her approach, I'm sorry but your blind. She even attempted emotional attack at the end by stating that many dislike him and. When she coudlnt win intellectually, she tried hurt him emotionally. She's a mid ranged narcissist.

[@brendanr.ogorman3586]

codemonkeybrains (et al) - She was trying to 'win' because she's a misandrist (man hater). We've ALL heard (ad nauseam) about misogyny, but no one is talking about systemic (or systematic) misandry!

[@Violaman0910]

My favorite part was when Mr Peterson said “Gotcha” to an interviewer who was doing nothing but engaging in gotcha journalism. He turned the tables and did so absolutely beautifully.

[@jacksbackable]

David Correct!!! Gotcha.......😎🇦🇺

[@ersendal2466]

u got that right david... :) gatcha

[@doghouseriley4732]

Funniest part, I suspect she surrounds herself with pseudo-intellectuals and when a real one comes along she realises how far out of her depth she is

[@skinniemcfats5292]

If you go back and rewatch that part he really saved her there. She was about to look even worse until that gotcha part. He saved her.

[@abhishekpal9687]

@@skinniemcfats5292 yes his gotcha comment broke that awkward silence and make it to look normal. It would be more embarrassing for her if she would be clueless for few more moment. And peterson did it deliberately bcz he is brave and noble. He never feel good by embarrassing his opponents..

[@Milestonemonger]

I want to thank her for making Dr. Jordan Peterson more famous than the Beatles.

[@billowen3285]

He's not.

[@MrAlexarctica]

Bill Owen He is. Some would say he’s bigger than Jesus, in fact.

[@doaimanariroll5121]

Alexander Kankula yeah, Jesus wasn’t to popular in his time, evidently.

[@nuftis]

Who's Jesus?

[@samdon3693]

@Adithya Nair 😂

[@ZuberiGaming]

"You win some you lose some", yeah, like that's the purpose of an interview.

[@SK_Esskay]

😂😂😂😂😆😆🤦🏼‍♂️🙏💯

[@priyanksharma1124]

XD

[@zorandjipanov6492]

It was never an interview, it was an attempted character assassination. She is not a journalist but rather a corporate stooge.

[@mattturner8556]

Hahaha exactly right! Well pointed out. She certainly had an agenda and she lost legendarily.

[@trohlack5150]

It was fun and satisfying to watch. He is my hero of patience.

[@Aninram1985]

I'm surprised she hasn't changed her last name to 'Newperson'.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

Very good quip!

[@rickconnolly5006]

Lol

[@bipolatelly9806]

Marni M lol.... the ironies would be lost on her...

[@Richjunior1]

Cunty Strawman is more accurate

[@funkyguy99]

It's 'Newpeoplekind' if you go with Justin Trudeau's ideology.

[@chrisgreekman1]

Newman: I lost the argument.. plan B? Time to play the victim!

[@doghouseriley4732]

Never pick a fight with someone who is several weight divisions above you. Or in her case, never try to out-smart someone intelligent like Peterson

[@billcarson818]

I agree with everything Jordan Peterson said in that interview. But to stay objective is important, and some people on our side of the argument are not capable of doing that at all. Stay objective, dont be a hypocrite. People who act like children and cant stay objective at all are impossible to be taken seriously.

[@satinderpalarora5663]

That's what women do....no grace in loosing and running away from responsibilities

[@billcarson818]

@@satinderpalarora5663 Oh, someone had bitter experiences with women. Poor guy.

[@AlexWilliams-yd4dv]

Peterson said it well. She's ideologically possessed.

[@muskokamike127]

Ideologically possessed and incapable of using logic and reason to see that. It takes a big person to admit they are wrong, or were wrong, and she's demonstrated that she's a small small person.

[@AFO_AnalyRics]

Alex M Hmm, I like that.👍👍

[@SolDizZo]

“Animus possessed” ***

[@anthonygadaleta3427]

Doesn't 'ideologically possessed' apply to most if not all of us? (except maybe to me)

[@robertprice1637]

Alex Williams Hobbs

[@Patrick664.]

It amazes me how someone doing an interview has such poor listening skills.

[@jamespope7669]

She'll always be remembered as "So you're saying" lol

[@saritadekroon374]

She doesn’t ‘interview ‘ to listen, but to show herself for being something to aspire too. It’s all about her and her agenda. Seems to be the way in most interview shows nowadays!

[@richardkovacs2006]

... and poor comprehension.

[@Pal.Cockrum]

So what you’re saying is “having poor listening skills makes you a great interviewer”

[@Ibrahim29514]

@@Pal.Cockrum hahhahahhah,that sounds like Newman hahha

[@australianmade2659]

Her career ended the moment he said “I gotcha”.

[@patmosby1100]

Rationalist Society so her career is still a thing? Hah, got'cha!

[@TangomanX2008]

I don't know. I thought that it was kind of lame. Clearly he won, he was honest with the issue, and fair to her. I think at the end of the day it saying "Gotcha" didn't advance the cause. It is not about owning the Libs, it is about winning over the Libs. Of course, I think she perfectly deserved it. But why do something that makes people resistant to your message?

[@x-shift8937]

I would say her career ended from the first time she said, “so what you’re saying is...”

[@veganfire4218]

@@TangomanX2008 I thought exactly the same. Jordan Peterson said in a talk after that that at this point he was reasonably mad and acted out of that anger which he seems to regret. It would've been more in his intention to keep his emancipation from one-up-manship until the end but personally I think that given how well he handled the whole rest of the interview, it's a forgivable mistake that he also learned from.

[@xanderathome]

It ended when he reached for his water 😉

[@pamelahermano9298]

She underestimated just how intelligent Jordan Peterson is. She tried trapping him and got herself trapped instead.

[@Skyloche]

No, I think she was simply uneducated on the topic and was probably given an sgenda from up top. She did her job quite well with what info she had and from the stance she came from. She was cool and collected and most of all she was fairly respectful. She does what many interviewers, cutting people off and not letting them answer the questions being asked lol but that's part of the game.

[@guts_4534]

Peterson said what needed to be said period. There was no conversation, Newman wanted a fight and she lost.

[@russiane.lection-hacker2057]

Indeed. Peterson was invited for an interview and expected dialectic. What he got instead was an Inquisition.

[@glenwaldrop8166]

Peterson systematically dismantled everything she said. Everything. She showed up for a fight, he showed up for a discussion/interview, neither got what they wanted but he came out of it looking better and better.

[@j_freed]

She lost badly, he was the reluctant victor. Restoring balance to The Force.

[@seanhanlon4849]

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[@paulallen7366]

My eyes are terrible . I thought you wrote .. She must have been on her period.

[@meh78336]

She did a piss poor job, knew she did a piss poor job, then when called out on it she tried to play the victim to hide the fact that she knew she did a piss poor job, using the old tried and tested tactic of blaming "trolls". She did no preparation because she thought she could just bully her way through, she knew enough to know he wasn't the monster the left claim he is and was a mild mannered person, which she took as being weak and thought the bully tactic would work, not realising the calm demeanour was because he wasn't quick to fly off the handle and would consider his responses carefully. What she though was a weak person with views she assumed were bad that would fold with a bit of pressure, was in fact a bulldozer with scalpel like precision that cut her to pieces carefully and precisely and ultimately just walked right over her trampling her in the dirt or her misconceptions. Maybe in future she will do her due diligence, because if this happened again, no one could take her seriously, few do now as it is.

[@17losttrout]

Another case of tawdry rhetoric meeting dialectic and ending up at the receiving end of didactic.

[@rahulanandiam]

This right here is one accurate summary.

[@johnlowe6591]

dr p demonstrated his principle of "least possible force" against an opponent in a debate or against a personal attack. his principle was proven effective. people we need to emulate his example ( as he is teaching us) to try to draw radical cliche'd, talking points human beings back into intelligent, civil, trying to understand by actually listening and steel manning each others discourse. we don't win by defeating MS. Newman but by helping her to question and consider the specifics and implications of concerns of other human beings. in plain words, theres two sides to every story. when its all said and done, y'all attacking her is no different than her attacking dr p. (BTW) DR Jordan is my only hope!

[@TangomanX2008]

You know, its interesting how this happens often. Also seen it with William L Craig, who debates (or at least had, I haven't seen his more recent debates) atheists that think he is some sort of uneducated preacher, and then he just cuts through them like butter in his debates. The same thing I've seen with Ben Shapiro. He looks like a teenager, gets talked as such by those who debate him and again, he cuts through them like butter. I am not sure to what extent they actually invite people to underestimate them, but those that do come to the table unprepared, and when their spin and half baked arguments fail, they then try to wing it which makes them look even worse. I can understand if this happens once or twice. But when the same thing happens over and over and over again, you got to wonder why.

[@MG-hi9sh]

I got a boner reading this.

[@DeconvertedMan]

So what your saying is.....Newman is a joke!

[@jorgeborwell6767]

A dangerous joke with a pussy whipped soyboy "partner". Womyn despise the "men" they have created and take refuge in the perverted fantasies of the likes of Fifty Shades.... pitiful really.

[@rus65]

No one hates or as hypocritical as the left, so i'd say yes

[@bigjohn606]

No... It's only a small part of a multi-variable analysis. Maybe 12% at most.

[@LewChain]

You mean Newperson, misogynist

[@uraniusjohnson8774]

Deconverted Man And lobsters.

[@blech71]

He was so poise. So calm and collected... he channeled his anger only in the amount of sips of water he took. That gotcha moment is amazing.

[@jamiejr.5846]

I doubt.that he feels anger towards it. He.must have seen worse

[@drlodge]

I'm sick of this Newmansplaining

[@thisisntsergio1352]

Nice

[@chiaramassar3578]

Good one mate! 🤣👏🏽

[@gordonfreeman-g5w]

The only thing she'll ever be famous for: "So what you're saying is..."

[@erc9468]

"The internet is being written by men....." Where do you start with a statement as ignorant as that on so many levels? It would be as stupid as saying: "Books are being written by women......." This is straight-up paranoia.

[@HEXhibitionist]

In many respects it IS men who contribute more to the internet. KZbin is predominantly a men's medium for example. And here's the thing: you dont need to apply for a job or breach the old boys network or anything to add content to the internet. Anyone with a keyboard and an internet connection can do it. So stop blaming men for being more active in almost all disciplines and get off your lazy ass!

[@MartineH1]

she can take her place on internet, if she wants. Instead of complaining, start to work on it.

[@drweetabix]

She will never interview him again. Says a lot

[@PEPASINLIMITES]

Yeah, too hard. She’d have to go to journalism school before doing it.

[@nex6058]

Newman is done.... She's just running on delusion now.

[@jasa9707]

N Ex What do you mean 'now'.

[@robharwood3538]

I'm gonna say, "I doubt it." From her employer's perspective, this, if anything, was just a blip on the radar of her career. If she sticks to more mundane topics, where she's not wearing ideological blinders, she's probably got a long career ahead of her. If she keeps straying into ideological minefields, then perhaps she could get into trouble.

[@nex6058]

Delusion that she still has a future... LOL

[@nex6058]

Mundane topics will not draw viewers. She is drawn to the minefields. She will explode.

[@acropolisnow9466]

the fumes of delusion

[@ronaldharris7639]

I laughed so hard when I watched that interview i almost busted a gut.her willingness to make a fool of herself was epic

[@ajahnpaul5372]

So you're saying I should continue to play the victim?

[@andrewhasbigbrain4496]

cathy newman actually displayed to the whole world how ridiculously abundant Dr Peterson's patience and knowledge was so i thank her for that

[@artemprotectron]

So you're saying... there is no land of lobsters?

[@teddayer6523]

Artem Protectron déjà vu

[@captainz9]

So what you're saying is... Lobsters from the sea run the world, not lizard people?

[@benjaminabrams5000]

Lobster Lives Matter Das Rite!!!

[@SolDizZo]

😰😭🤧

[@Boxofclocks]

Gender-fluid lobsters. Only in America. Hold that claw high! Species-fluid is next. You don't want to be a species-supremicist, or the Political Correctness police will attack you. The species you were born as is just a cultural thing anyway, forced on us by the patriarchy.

[@SoullessMadness]

Those quotes from her confirms to us, the audience, that she's in the business of lying.

[@madmattius]

The fact it was written in the Guardian tells you pretty much everything you need to know about the quality of the article before you get past the headline.

[@jimbo20104]

Same thing with the Huffington Post editorial staff. All white women under 35. All the while writing articles about more diversity needed in the workplace.

[@johnwalsh3635]

The Guardian. Is that the rag where Polly Toynbee works? The Polly Toynbee who says that selective grammar schools are a bad thing for plebs like me, but sends her own sprogs to public schools.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

John Walsh Yep, another hypocrite on the Left, imagine my shock

[@madmattius]

They are an activist organisation masquerading as a serious news source and as such they completely misrepresent the goals of their organisation. They are, in no way, an objective news source and I consider their reporting absolutely toxic to the West.

[@peterrogers565]

Matt Hartwell would you say the same thing about Fox news or Breitbart? I hope you are open minded enough to understand that your statement applies equally well or moreso in their case.

[@JohnDoe-iu5xi]

I love how she made it about her being a victim in all of this when she started the assault. She is hardly innocent for the shit she got, she was clearly trying to frame and attack a man for no reason.

[@SIPEROTH]

"You win some and lose some" And there lies the whole problem with her mentality. He saw Peterson not as someone top have a conversation with and get something out of it but as someone that he should defeat before even understanding what his positions are. She assumed untruthful things about him and based on those she went with a mentality of "He is here for me to defeat and destroy" instead of "let's hear what this guy is all about". The sad thing is that because she had that mentality even after her arguments failed flat against him instead of looking back at the conversation and reflecting on his arguments and considering them she just shrugs it off as a bad defeat without ever wondering whether his words had any meaning or truth.

[@TVJackBox]

I almost feel sorry for her, taking apart her career in a single interview. There it goes, down the drain...

[@vulpes122]

She's definitely one of those type A personality and low agreeableness types that sees everything as a competition (as Jordan pointed out), so her acting in this way would just be an extension of that (win at any cost).

[@yukseloden6939]

"The internet is being written by men....." This might be the most ignorant quote in the history of the human.

[@MarttiSuomivuori]

I really like your style, mate. Among all the people with caffeine intoxication or blind rage you sound normal and make sense. Thanks for being there.

[@fitzroy_spark3879]

Yeah, I guess Indies ok except for that whole skivvie thing.

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

Martti Suomivuori he could always morph into angry independent man... Lol

[@utubetrutharrowmichael-and9105]

Martti Suomivuori australia’s Ben Shapiro

[@Verasoul]

@covfefe: While I like Ben's arguments and agree with some of his moral convictions despite not being religious myself, I fucking love that "fast forward" line. Fucking awesome, man.

[@evilstuie82]

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[@brendanr.ogorman3586]

Brilliant! Well said! The interviewer was playing a zero-sum game (ie. 'Win' at all costs) - and lost. Peterson held his ground and won. Nuff said.

[@andrewcarter7260]

Feminists organised Wikipedia editing parties.

[@mgtowmonger2729]

they still do, especially active in Spain.

[@jawaharsaini7084]

It's people like Newman being successful that shows exactly what is wrong with our world. Exactly what type of people our generation is making "famous".

[@drstrangelove09]

I suspect she has no exposure with the ideas that Peterson tried to elaborate and that she just accepts what she's been told. It reminds me of the Hitchens quote: "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."

[@vryc]

I thought of this Hitchens piece of excellence as well. Newman exemplifies the 'head in the sand' approach to modern journalism.

[@CaesarBest]

yeah, pretty sure she didn't read the fekkin book, she just had some interns google the anti-Peterson reddit or something.

[@russiane.lection-hacker2057]

To Feministas like Cathy Strawman, "done your research" merely means "read all the Regressive opinion pieces about it."

[@vincenthamel3420]

It's what's being taught in modern day college 'journalism' studies... Contradicting opinion/fact have to be silenced and buried, because they hurt feelings. I'm not joking, post-modernism literally says that since a single event can have multiple interpretation, you cannot be 100% sure your interpretation is the correct one, henceforth feels over reals. (summarized...) The new generation of journalist are being trained to ignore facts and favor their own personal feelings about issues.

[@oliveeisner8964]

hence the utter crap.

[@viera4]

I am uncomfortable with labelling anyone with a dismissive and derogatory label. We all have the right to live and learn by our mistakes. I am convinced this is how we can move forward in society. By adopting this approach. I am a huge JP admirer. He has taught me so much. I would love to see these two in discussion again

[@russiane.lection-hacker2057]

As Peterson said in another interview (paraphrasing here): "The boundaries in discourse between men are very clear. There is always the underlying threat of violence if the other person goes too far. But no such avenue of escalation exists when men interact with women. I don't know how to deal with a woman who is completely unreasonable."

[@danconser6709]

Laugh at her. That is what he did & it was VERY effective...

[@_Solaris]

Practice visualising her as your bratty little sister

[@_Solaris]

@ heheh... ...I'm sure you mean metaphorically. ;)

[@deepakmakhija932]

She was inept in handling the interview.. she made a debate out of an interview...Jordan has more fans after this...he deserves respect

[@Able60]

If you argue just to prove yourself right, more often than not you will walk away from the encounter dissatisfied. Much better to argue, digging down to the bedrock of truth of the matter. For truths sake! Took me at least thirty years to learn that lesson.

[@robharwood3538]

Sage advice!

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

However truth is subjective.

[@michawill6599]

30 years! Blimey. It's all just old school manners.

[@aguilacec]

All I heard from the interviewer was, "Are you saying...?" No. I don't think she prepared. And as I woman I actually felt quite annoyed by her questions 🤦.

[@NorseGraphic]

Self-awareness isn't Cathy Newman's strong suit....

[@glengamble526]

Dr. Peterson should have narrowed his eyes, looked at her and said...and said...and said... ‘Hello...Newman’

[@mikb5587]

Laid bare in that interview for everyone to see was the calibre of person that gets a first at Oxford, in English. Can you even imagine what these second an third tier Universities are churning out, frightening.

[@oliveeisner8964]

The same can be observed in the American Ivy league schools, sadly. The finest they're able to produce is third rate at best. It's not the quality education they're paying for that's for sure. It's sickening.

[@DieFlabbergast]

No, you're drawing the wrong lesson from this. The truth is even more alarming, or even sadder, depending on how you look at it. It is true that standards at British universities have fallen considerably, even at Oxford and Cambridge, but you still have to be intelligent even to enter those universities, let alone graduate with a first. So, the question is: how can an intelligent person be so stupid about something? (Because I think we can take it for granted that Newman is _not_ stupid about many subjects, or in many situations.) The only answer that makes sense is that, as Peterson himself would put it: she is ideologically possessed. Ideologies are truly powerful, and awful, things. No amount of native intelligence is proof against them. Do you think that all the top members of the Nazi Party in Germany, or all the top communists in Russia, China, or Cambodia, etc. were stupid? And yet, they were capable of believing things that, viewed objectively, were certain to lead to disaster. Thinking that way is the surest route to underestimating the danger posed by the modern leftist/liberal ideology. We should never call them "idiots," because they certainly aren't that. If only they were.

[@haza123b4]

@@DieFlabbergast *Interesting take*

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

@@DieFlabbergast They are not taught how to think. They are taught WHAT to think, at least if they want good grades. And parroting the views of the course text book (inevitably written by the course leader) is a sure way to get those grades up. Different thoughts are discouraged.

[@Andy78L]

@@user-pf5xq3lq8i Absolutely brilliant analysis; what takes priority over why in much of the British education system.

[@huko4266]

Dear Cathy, thanks for introducing me to Jordan Peterson and making me a fan.

[@johnrew5713]

Cathy Newman you got thermonuclear mansplained.

[@MikeJonesRichardson]

She though she could paint him evil but instead showed her own evil that she was not even aware of

[@TropicalCoder]

You didn't pick up on this statement - "But there were literally thousands of abusive tweets - it was a *semi-organized campaign* ." A bit of paranoia there. Of course it was not organized at all. It was a *spontaneous response* to the way Cathy Newman conducted the interview. To suggest there was any degree of organization brings visions of Peterson fans conspiring together, perhaps led by Dr. Peterson himself, to heap torrents of abuse on Cathy Newman. That is a pretty serious charge to make, and no evidence was supplied to give credence to such a preposterous accusation.

[@LittleMissHoop]

TropicalCoder I caught that too. Preposterous

[@scottduflo7348]

She's everything that is wrong with the world. Jordan is everything that is hope for the world.

[@andrewbishop869]

It seemed to not be an interview from my perception it felt like she was treating peterson as a hostile witness. Personally I would have walked out after a few minutes as it was not worth the effort. Just look at the interview she did about that leaflet printed in the 60's and you can see how little skill she has.

[@oliveeisner8964]

That interview was an absolute disgrace! If anything she's getting worse. She's a power hungry sociopath.

[@Ericadbury]

I think I would have walked out too but JP had some experience with the likes of her and wanted to address her behaviour which he did. I want to have his guts.

[@Andy78L]

It speaks volumes of Professor Peterson’s courtesy, professionalism and calmness that he didn’t walk out and laid bare an insufferable bully to the public eye.

[@TJ-se3ih]

Cathy Newman attempted to ambush a much smarter opponent and got housed. Now she wants to play the victim. No sympathy.

[@davelowe1977]

Her reflections say a great deal about how women view the world. A male interviewer comes across as more assertive because he thinks critically about the answers he receives and challenges them in an open and honest fashion. Female interviewers like Newman study these interactions and note the assertive nature of the exchange. They then simulate this approach by deliberately being contrarian in order to appear more assertive. But, in reality they are playing at it because they aren't doing it for the right reason. On a superficial level the exchange has the same combative nature, but the underlying reason for that outcome is completely different and any man will see the difference instantly. Pitted against an 'opponent' of Peterson's calibre, this was always going to end badly for her.

[@Eleuthero5]

I thought Newman was disgraceful. After Peterson explained why sex alone is just not responsible for the pay gap, Newman must have repeated five times that Peterson is okay with the pay gap which he NEVER even came close to saying. How many times does Peterson have to repeat to ignoramuses the difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome? Didn't Newman do ANY homework about the nuances of Peterson's major stances, nearly all of which are backed by a century of personality assessment and, of course, Peterson's clinical practice? It's atrocious that people like Newman can use their position of power as alleged TV journalists to push their own ideological agenda. If I ran Channel 4, that interview would have led to a warning that if Newman interviewed like that again she'd be sacked.

[@rogerspable]

We can talk about the individual named Newman, but frankly so many young ladies have been cloned on that model, and function in the workplace by practically mirroring those exact traits lol..

[@hosea114]

Golden comment...even carry those traits and practices into their relationships

[@hayabarakat7889]

Sadly very true.

[@rekx_rokx]

How many times during the interrogation, that's what it really was from her (OMG is that the right pronoun?), did Peterson say "That's not what I said at all."? Plus the "gotcha moment" is priceless. Rage on lefties, rage on.

[@wellhungindung]

Newman '...you don't always push the ball to the back of the net.' Otherwise known as scoring a goal. You're welcome.

[@wellhungindung]

Marvin Gardens Harsh, bro.

[@muskokamike127]

The issue here was she looked at it (as said) as winning or losing, in her mind she would "win" if she made Dr P look like a misogynist......instead of actually learning something, finding out about Dr P and what he stands for, she tried, and failed miserably to push her agenda. In other words: she brought a knife to a gun fight.

[@wellhungindung]

Marvin Gardens No problem, I didn't think you were being serious, neither was I.

[@turtleflipper9935]

just be happy you don't have channel 4, although it does mean you miss out on "come dine with me"

[@supahdupahguy81]

Newman's approach was more akin to a dogged defensive display, earning countless bookings for reckless challenges along the way, taking it to extra time & then losing on penalties.

[@jra6023]

It's misogynistic to have a man argue with a woman! So unfair! Also she was on her periods, not fair!

[@naughteedesign]

so what you're saying is lobsters weren't mentioned in your video so you want to exclude hirachies in restaurants.

[@oshinh4975]

Thanks Cathy for making me a huge Peterson fan.

[@korsion]

So what you are saying is, being an internet victim is a profitable, but yet hard job.

[@jacobandersen6075]

“The heart of pride is ENMITY. Enmity toward God and enmity toward your fellow man.” Enmity means being in a state of opposition. That was Newman’s problem. She wasn’t seeking the truth, she was trying to win.

[@seaglider844]

You know I kinda hoped that Newman might have admitted that this approach of re framing of a guest's answer into a statement that they didn't make.....is wrong. And to take a more conversational approach. But to again position oneself as a victim and whine about how people say mean things on the Internet, all the while lacking honesty and journalistic credibility yourself. Well I guess I should have known that might be the response.....but she should know if she carries on this way she'll just be a punch line to a joke in the long run. People are watching her much more closely now.

[@Ericadbury]

True, recognising ones fault is a beautiful thing. Pride just messes everything and locks people in prisons hard to escape.

[@TheTurinturumbar]

So you hadn't figured out that "self-reflective feminist" is a contradiction in terms.

[@nirabhradas6375]

So What you're saying is... [Insert anything here e.g: dogs cannot get to be the CEO of a top company? Isn't that unfair?] Is that what you're saying?

[@FunnyRoom]

This whole dynamic is in concordance with the idea that men love facts and women love emotions

[@martyollier7536]

lol, someone needs to tell her that you can't salvage a train wreck with an Atomic bomb

[@kurtn5467]

Brilliant Marty... absolutely brilliant remark said with such brevity.

[@zvipatent]

My favorite part was when Mr. Peterson mentioned that Ms. Newman was a successful presumably well paid employee. She also had a moment where she was dumbfounded ... rare for an interviewer.

[@Exeutiy]

So what you are saying is.... First!

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

Exeutiy Bazinga!

[@timothyfarrand8407]

Gaaaaay

[@kharnthebetrayero9036]

Exeutiy lobster where first.

[@MisterMonsterMan]

Newman embarrassed herself and her profession in that 20min time span. Perhaps the most masterful handling of an aggressive and adversarial interviewer ever displayed by Dr Peterson. He literally laughs at her multiple times in the interview. She comes off looking HIGHLY unlikeable and unintelligent.

[@HummingbirdWhispers]

So what you’re saying is.... The cake is a lie.

[@sallymj8957]

Very good analysis.

[@utubetrutharrowmichael-and9105]

Jordans breakdown of the interview where he pointed out she was pretty much being a charlatan .... where she clearly changed into character ...... I hope all the media were watching and perhaps took something from the fallout

[@JakkFrost1]

About the wikipedia edits, it's common practice for feminists to look at a grand total of ONE case study, that being their own personal case, and cite that as statistics proving that it happens to ALL women.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

The owner of wikipedia is a director of The Guardian newspaper.

[@jeffjones7108]

Douglas Murray recently wrote an article in which he touches on this hyper-antagonistic progression in politics. He says: "It is a trend which seemed to start with online videos which were given headlines such as ‘X CRUSHES Y’, or ‘A DESTROYS B’. Soon this became the format for almost any excerpt from any political argument. Click-bait was the word coined for that. A video titled ‘Mr A mildly corrects Ms B on a matter of common interest’ might not bring either great attention or consequent advertising revenue. And when any highlight of a broadcast political exchange involves ‘crushing’, ‘destroying’ or (even more popular) ‘annihilating’ opponents, the performance of politics evolves in click-baitable directions." I guess it's that sort of market that Cathy is attempting to fill in old media.

[@jeffjones7108]

Yeah, they're everywhere and usually misleading. Although the Peterson vs Newman interview was one where it was actually warranted. That was her choice though, not his.

[@russiane.lection-hacker2057]

It's the old media that started this trend. Before clickbait emerged, we already had newspapers filled with sensationalist headlines.

[@pollysshore2539]

Wrestling fans fall for anything

[@oliveeisner8964]

well I guess that means we're all wrestling fans!

[@pollysshore2539]

Olive Eisner BIG BIRD SMACKS DOWN OSCAR!!!! Speak got yourself. I normally avoid those channels unless they are the only ones covering specific topics. Most early footage from Speakers Corner was titled as such but much of it was civil discussion between 2 people respecting each other’s positions and points of view. There were still a lot of nimrods in the comment section acting like it was wrestling match.

[@kurtn5467]

“You will never reach higher ground if you are always pushing others down.” - Jeffrey Benjamin

[@nineballing1]

To call her a "journalist" may not be an accurate use of the term or profession. Since the inception of the 24 hour news cycle and "news" outlets, and that is a very liberal use of the word "news", these networks have gone to producing personalities much as the same as Hollywood produces their stars. The way these personalities make to the top time slots and pay grade is to create dramatic, shocking and eye (and ear) catching content. The most simple means of doing this is to set up and interviewee for the "gotcha" moment which Newman attempted and it seriously backfired in her face. Peterson deconstructed her motives and tactics on air, to her face, and completely demonstrated her for what she truly is... not a credible journalist, but rather a tabloid style leftist whose ideological belief system is only concern with self-interest.

[@trentk268]

Gotcha journalism just had a gotcha moment.

[@laserus3333]

Mirror mirror on the wall, I just cant see my faults at all.For a moment I was taken aback realizing I Was offending thee, but I cannot except my hypocrisy.

[@nycsym]

Right after the "gotcha" moment in the interview, the conversation turns to Peterson's claim that identity politics is the same rationale that fueled the brutal regimes of Stalin and Mao. Newman becomes incredulous accusing Peterson of saying that trans people are like Mao and Stalin, which of course, he did not say. He said the trans activists use the same rationale and tactics---which is true. Because that went completely against her argument/beliefs, and she couldn't really handle that particular inconvenient truth, she immediately resorts to insult and ad hominem..."You're just a provocateur, you like to provoke, you're just like the alt-right who you claim you're not part of...let's talk about lobsters." Reminded me of Socrates statement: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

'semi-organised campaign' - O those Nazis under the beds!

[@pollysshore2539]

Annabelle Rankin I know. They’re everywhere.

[@jacobwinkelman4704]

so what you're saying is you two are clearly just abusive men from the internet cabal looking to defame kathy

[@CentristDad155]

So, what you are saying, is Newmann is a bad journalist?

[@beliasphyre3497]

_So you're saying that a lobster is being shellfish?_

[@mattfranks4335]

Lol , lol and another lol BRAVO .

[@0ijm3409fiwrekj]

🤣🤣🤣

[@CassidaViridis]

One thing that stood out was how much Cathy Newman kept butting in and interrupting, not letting Jordan finish answering her questions. It was very irritating.

[@Umbrella2]

People that send strangers abuse online are the worst...what kind of sad case does that?

[@SerasRocks]

lol she is still doing the "So you're saying...." routine! I can hear Peterson saying "No, I'm not"

[@TheClemcaster]

Independent Man; Dr Peterson writes very well about escaping the inertia that people invite into their lives - and finding useful outlets for their interests and energy; rather than frittering away precious hours constructing and posting videos to KZbin in an attempt to come on like some kind of life defence barrister.

[@The1Helleri]

I think she was just doing her job as she was paid to do it. Which is trial by fire. Throw every thing out and see what if anything sticks. Her style is blood sport. What she may or may not actually believe is irrelevant she's there to light people up if she can. Peterson even said that he was surprised because she was very pleasant backstage and then as soon as it was on it was like a switch flipped. And she said that she thought it went very well. Both things evidence that this is a persona she dawns for the purposes of ratings. I think she just wasn't ready for the internet taking things as seriously as it tends to do. But I think she's figured it out now. Never apologize. Always double down.

[@ayeminoo2067]

What amaze me is she still has fan till this day and she is still the reporter in channel4. We must be living in hell.

[@robertmichaelbinet1090]

Quite clearly a large difference in intelligence between the two, for sure.

[@EMDEEW]

To me, hands down the best analysis of this interview. Thanks.

[@Broonzied]

I think that prize goes to Karen Straughan. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYbafGCjrsR-o9k

[@EMDEEW]

I'll be sure to watch it, thanks

[@athenassigil5820]

Newman, isn't that a funny surname..tee hee....

[@athenassigil5820]

no privacy No, don't be silly....that's her job!

[@cgmat7804]

Cathy Newman is a very successful journalist, fair play, glad to see that she is still on the equal pay agenda when she will be very well paid herself and many in her position would pull up the drawbridge once they have "made it" so to speak

[@pamjansen5659]

"woman doesnt want to fully admit she was wrong"

[@Andy78L]

Absolute clownshow by Newman. If she is the face of the ‘repressed’ then god help them.

[@Taylorkaraoke]

it's so funny that every time I have to second listen the phrase, because at first it sounds like: "they had to call insecurity experts" which fits the story completely.... LOL

[@85yugs]

Cathy I really respected you as an interviewer. That all changed during the interview with Jordan Peterson. What became clear was either 1) an inability to grasp and comprehend logic and rational arguments or 2) a willingness to deliberately deceive and attack another for personal gain or motivations. You choose.

[@babyjiren9676]

And that’s the biggest problem with journalists and politicians these days. They’re either stupid, or lying. Whichever it is, they’re not fit for the work they’re doing.

[@stabbybear3293]

i absolutely love how she played victim. glorious.

[@supernova1969]

Thank you, Independent Man, for this very important presentation. Bless you Amen!

[@kenvee9446]

Newman got bested in the Peterson interview, it's plain, if being confronted with facts, calm logic and a hint of chivalry can be called such. Her football analogy was fine, except that in saying "You don't always put the ball in the back of the net" and "you win some you lose some" is philosophical sounding, but she didn't just fail to score; she did something akin to missing the net by the width of container ship and hitting a fan in the melon, to boot! When a team gets drubbed, 8 to 0, it's news. Footballers, after a beat down, say things like "we were just awful tonight" or " you can't stink it up much more than we did tonight" before ending on some philosophical note and pressing on.

[@17losttrout]

Oh she put the ball in the back of the net alright. A spectacular own goal.

[@reeb9016]

It would be great to see a follow up interview all these years later to see if she's any wiser.

[@twosidessally9091]

Really great, balanced analysis of the interview

[@jeromespike]

Your title is misleading, feels like Cathy newman is going to reflect, well this is just you summing up the video

[@IndependentManSpeaks]

Clearly it isn't as it addresses Cathy Newman's thoughts after it has all played out, probably weren't a very good student were you.

[@jeromespike]

If you “Cathy Newman reflects” , it means SHE reflects , so you’re implying she is in the video sharing her thoughts….. probably weren’t a good student were you…… and not title writer at that . Only 2 words for this :Click-bait…..

[@IndependentManSpeaks]

@@jeromespike It doesn't imply that at all, the video is not called 'Cathy Neman appears in the video reflecting'. You've decided that in your own imagination, It describes her comments after which can be accurately described as her reflections. The title also says 'sort of' which speaks to the fact that her reflection is very shallow, ie it's not much of a reflection. This is what happens when you don't pay attention in school.