CAUGHT DEAD in the OODA LOOP

[@Ruger41mag]

John - I heard the Ranger OODA loop was Observe Overreact Destroy Appologize ........... he he he

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Hahahahahahahahahaha

[@SuperWagner23]

You cannot apologize if you have been destroyed.

[@oregonoutback7779]

Always better to beg for forgiveness, than ask permission :)

[@craigm8461]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[@Konvinced89]

Perfect. And probably true. 🤣

[@nomadjiu-jitsu879]

"please don't murder" these are the tips I come to Warrior Poet Society for

[@chuckclark6162]

Apparently, training rounds are a lot like having 2 sons. They always hit you in the crotch. Right? I have 3 sons, so my croch-defense-reflex is Jedi-like.

[@Tymtravel-wz6di]

Chuck Clark true Chuck. There was a time I had 3 sons. Then in His Divine sense of humor he gave me 5 daughters. They were all teenagers at the same time. Different kind of groin pain lol.

[@chuckclark6162]

Tymtravel 1911 Amen, my friend. I have 3 older sisters, a mother, wife, etc, etc. My father said that boys wreck your stuff, girls wreck your credit. Watch your 6 (wallet). And have faith in Him & your 1911!

[@bjbarlow]

Hi John, i just want to thank you for your videos, i am a single full time father of a twelve year old son. My love for firearms and being a "protector" in general is something my son has recently got into with me. We go to the range together and i am teaching him all things safety first and he is a excellent student, he loves to watch videos on the subject with me now as well. I appreciate so much that i can ALWAYS count on your channel to be a GOOD example to him by not dropping f-bombs every other word or generally giving bad advice. Your Philosophy on what it takes to be a good man as well as a good protector i just cant say enough good things about. So i just really wanted to extend my thanks and appreciation to you. God Bless you and yours brother.

[@jhuntley575]

I know you can't upload the entire lesson on KZbin. However it would be nice if you had something online people could sign up, and pay for to get all your class sessions. For those of us who live far away. I appreciate what you do allow us to view. Very professional and thank you for your service.

[@applesapples5516]

Haha your wish was granted

[@IzzyTheEditor]

"Please do not murder" lol, nice:)

[@FitnFire]

Izzy Long unless it’s tacos...I’ll murder me some good tacos!!! 😃

[@Tymtravel-wz6di]

This has such great life application beyond immediate threat indications. Even if I credit Boyd, my kids will say ‘’you got that from WP, right’’? Guess I’ll head over to join patreon.

[@Lonzo993]

Chuck Norris wakes up every morning and has a big bowl of OODA LOOPS, it's part of a complete breakfast.

[@chuckclark6162]

Lonzo993 Then, the OODA Poops.

[@Adam.Rushing]

Boyd thought of the OODA Loop after Chuck Norris roundhoused his jet; it never flew again.

[@crazypizza]

You spelled John's name wrong ;)

[@stevenbecker4549]

That was awesome. Very funny.

[@3SIXTYPROD]

Haa

[@patriot9455]

When I was an O.T.R. driver, within a short time, I began to notice body language, then I started to pay attention to light and dark spaces in the lot. I avoided the dark and "impenatratrable by my eyes" spaces. I went over 40 years without being roughed up. I also carried a 4 cell police duty Maglite.

[@stevenbecker4549]

Hey John, Great discussion on the Air Forces OODA loop. I studied and taught this in the Air Force for many years (27 years 5 months, but who's counting). This is not just useful in recognizing the threat and acting. It is a continuous loop. you Observe them take cover, You Orient yourself by identifying a weakness in their position, you Decide to maneuver to take advantage of their position's weakness, and you Act. One thing to note where people can go wrong. If the enemy is also using the OODA Loop, you can achieve victory over them by being able to close the loop more quickly than them. An example of this is if you as an operator went up against me (a non operator), your experience and expertise would allow you to more quickly close the loop and defeat me. Finally, there is such a thing as the OO stutter. This is where you never decide and take too long observing and orienting, then the bad guy maneuvers again, and you Observe and Orient. This can cost you your life as well.

[@cbrucesbiz]

Thank you. The best quick and to the point explanation to the OODA I have seen.

[@eDumke87]

I just realize I use ooda loop everyday in truck driving

[@clm652]

More like Fruit Loops prolly.

[@wyliewolf3823]

Wish everyone did in driving. My Grandfather drove for a big city Police Inspector and he taught us how to drive. "You have to drive for everyone else because they are doing everything else but driving." And that was before cell phones, dash screens and auto correcting cars. What a waste of brain cells.

[@darrellbaxley9315]

Eric Dumke If you are aren't, then you are a collision waiting to happen. Truck drivers and motorcyclists stay alive by observing, processing, and orienting

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Darrell Baxley Correction: truck drivers keep us alive by OODA Loop. Thanks!

[@oregonoutback7779]

Darrell … I agree. Every motorcycle ride is like making that dreaded trip from the green zone to the Baghdad airport. Just another duck in the shooting gallery.

[@dmorgan724]

You're the only 2nd dude on youtube who gives the OODA loop the proper context, IMHO. Kudos Sir!

[@jamesvogel1915]

Many street wise people do this without knowing the acronym. I call it street IQ. It has saved my life more than once. I got it wrong twice and it placed me on the 10 o’clock news once. I cannot tell you about the other time except that it had deadly consequences. You have positively identified orientation as the most valuable component. I can expound on orientation by saying that it can be sub-divided into parts. Triggers are movements that tell you how a person is about to move his body. Eyes. This is not just a movie thing. The body moves behind or after the eyes. The head, it also telegraphs where a person will move to. You nailed this one, where the body weight is moved to. A person will load or unload body weight to move in a particular manner. You are good. You really understand your material. I saw you were going to be in AZ. But the class was filled. Next time I hope.

[@snafu673]

I know that I do this almost all the time but did not know it was a process let alone had a name, OODA Loop.. good stuff John.

[@mr.lovell3645]

"Sooooo, free training for long lost relatives right john boy?..... Discount for relatives?......... Wait, What do you mean relatives have to pay more!?"

[@505thpir]

I observed... you position that fancy drink holster to provide the class a great look at your logo.

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Action: buy

[@richardbrough1336]

Using that subconscious hints to us smart sir!

[@pendragonparties4959]

Thankyou for sharing and keeping it real, I'm a martial arts student and teach for too many years (way past 30 lol) and all my guys and girls learn the ooda loop, we use it in combat keep moving and striking different areas, but most haven't thought about using it before the incident, thankyou for sharing and keep up the good work (makes me think of the cat and the tiger stories) if your comming to England I'll buy the first round, train hard but train smart

[@jimwilberforce2612]

"Definately a joke. Do NOT murder." lol. love it

[@Graymanone]

"My dear Watson,you see but you don't observe" I learned about the OODA loop and Hicks law at a shooting course I took years ago.

[@mrmom22]

potential threat assessment = ooda loop i never realized that really neat and deep stuff

[@benjaminhenry5869]

Mystery Family I taught Equestrian lessons for many years and taught all my kids APJAR. Awareness, Perception, Judgement, Action, & Responsibility. Before I would let them run a horse or take it on the trails they had to know the acronym and tell me how they applied it outside of class.

[@herbderbler1585]

In the book Ender's Shadow, Bean called this concept "know, think, choose, do." Granted he was about five years old when he coined the phrase, so no judgement on his simple words, but it's cool to see he was on the money. I wonder if Orson Scott Card was specifically referencing OODA when he wrote this or if he inadvertendly envisioned a similar concept on his own.

[@FortuitousAdventures]

I Found you today (Through Starting Strength) and let me just say this is the first time outside of law enforcement training classes i have ever heard someone refer to the OODA loop. my husband who was even in corrections doesn't even know the OODA loop... Even though it is tattooed on my arm..... ANYWAYS! I Love You!

[@davidfrancis2163]

These are the videos I love most. They embody what warrior poet channel is about for me and the reason I subbed. Don’t get me wrong the training stuff is equally as important but KZbin has no shortage of training and gear review channeles. I like that you bring a mix with religion? philosophy, history, and practical application of skill. I would like to see more of the poet side of channel. Keep them up please. Thanks for all you do.

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Thanks! Got some in the queue

[@GlockPistolero]

Being retired it’s been a long time since I herd OODA Brought back many good memories of running the training department.

[@the_jones528]

I never heard of the OODA LOOP. Knowing it now, I wish EVERYONE knew what this was. It's very important.

[@jonathansevert8400]

Awesome delivery and instruction. You are a great teacher.

[@apolloreinard7737]

Thank you John. Your mention of JB, and my search of the wiki on him, led to several books being added to my 'read' list. I found a PDF of "Warfighter" and the wiki on "Patterns of Conflict". Subsequently finding a video of his lecture on the topic. Your release opened up several avenues of enlightenment. Thank you Mr. WP.

[@jamesjross]

The Blind Strategist: John Boyd and the American Art of War by Stephen Robinson.

[@eliasbonilla8087]

THANK YOU! Excellent explanation of the Orientation phase. Its one thing to be a Master at your craft but your ability to teach at that level is exceptional.

[@jpanelle6770]

Loved the History lesson, thanks for posting things like this letting us in on classes like that.

[@user-tv5dt3nm9y]

OODA is part of the forbidden “profile.” The bread and butter of any good street cop. The orientation skill is vital to knowing how to act before action becomes necessary.

[@trottheblackdog]

Actually it was 40 seconds. And he got the nickname "40 second Boyd" at Nellis.

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Yep! Remembered as soon as I watched the video after the class. Ugh, oh well. The internet will have to forgive me

[@mr.lovell3645]

I had a similar nick name that my girlfriend gave me...😘😍😄😩😖😤😴

[@jljr23]

The internet may forgive you, but Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[@nicholasfernandez7720]

hahahaha pepperidge farms always *remembers*

[@trottheblackdog]

Dude the fact you're even talking about Boyd is big ups from me!

[@jonathanpittam435]

Good video. Thanks for this, as had to watch about 10 videos until I came across one (yours) that clearly explains the 'Orient' phase!

[@honestresponse6833]

"Definitely a joke, Please do not murder." LOL, GOTTA PUT IT!

[@robjester7094]

Excellent daily reminder John. That should be everyone's wake up call for the day!

[@stixology1785]

Love the disclaimer at 03:55 - LOL!

[@stevep7608]

Surviving a Motorcycle ride in NJ makes you a master of the OODA loop.

[@MJA5]

this is a great video. it makes me want to attend some of your training. Excellent OODA explanation.

[@Itongski2011]

As always, thanks John!

[@peterk8909]

Really appreciate the articulation. Thx, John.

[@keving4096]

Hello John, your KZbin videos are always insightful, informative and also quite entertaining! In the process of introducing Boyd's ooda Loop to your students I'm going to guess that you decided to use a simplified version the diagram. The thought process involved in the loop is actually much more subtle and also complex. If you don't have a copy of his original drawing, may I send you one? Also I have copies of all the briefings that he presented while he was doing his work at the Pentagon. Have you read those?

[@RR-om3zx]

You are a really cool dude. I'm from the UK so sadly we don't have such liberties. I really want to live in Canada/America for this reason alone. The right to self defense and guns in general mean so much to me. That extra security for family is a huge deal. Ah well. Regardless, I still watch your videos because how clear your thinking is. You can tell simply by how you speak. You are humble and you love what you're doing, and you want people to be able to protect themselves from badness in society. I've finally come out of my shell and subbed, well earned! Peace from the UK :)

[@ATPrx23]

That’s excellent information! Thanks for sharing!

[@dannymccraw4841]

Ya know these snippets are great teasers for your classes that are always full and I cannot get into

[@Chris-uo3rj]

Ooda loop is taught at infantry school in the marines, I think it was kind of a new addition in 2010 when I went threw

[@davidlobo962]

4:00 The disclaimer was hilarious.

[@Itstwofourteen]

Learned the OODA Loop in the Marine Corps lol. It was drilled in me by my combat instructors at SOI, then by my seniors in the fleet. Awesome video as always, man.

[@kmartins5604]

Same didn’t realize it was brought up in the civilian world at all

[@jacobbrown4062]

Wow! Good info, share more of it!!!

[@danduhman1955]

Good 5min session on assessment n action. 👍

[@realpolicetalk]

Great video my friend.

[@bdpadmin]

In recon we used the BOODL so much it became instinct. Even 24 years after being reassigned to recliner battalion I still do it, and thankfully so, because it has saved my family’s lives at least twice. Once again thank you for you insight brother, keep doing what you are doing. Semper Fi! Cpl. Bryant Vreeland USMC (Ret.)

[@michael-bell]

And what is the BOODL?

[@briaschr]

Good info... seems like my dad taught me this by paying attention to people.

[@GIO_RUBBLE]

coming to a town near you..............i hope..... soon👍😄

[@kennethwedig6091]

I think I saw under the Decision part of the loop the word judgement. In America, the preferred spelling is sans the middle vowel, judgment. Just thought you'd want to know.

[@venomrogue1]

Reminds me a lot of some of my AVADE training

[@checkmate610]

Well done.

[@kennyguerrero4818]

Hey john, i heard from an old school cop about ooda loop. One of the big things he says about reading people is to maintain eye contact with any perceived threats. What do you think about this? I feel it could possibly give up the whole “most dangerous man in the room” advantage. Giving the bad guy a sense that youre the first one that should be dealt with. I guess awareness is key but he states cops believe in making and maintaining eye contact with possible threats and of course being constantly aware of them in your space

[@66racer]

Have you thought of putting full lectures online for paid access?

[@benjaminhenry5869]

APJAR. Awareness, Perception, Judgement, Action, & Responsibility.I taught Equestrian lessons for many years and taught all my kids APJAR. Before I would let them run a horse or take it on the trails they had to know the acronym and tell me how they applied it outside of class. I might move to OODA.

[@isaiahgardner6604]

The fact that you had to point out that was a joke 😂

[@orion45acp]

Love these classroom sessions

[@mr.lovell3645]

orion45acp lets be honest...it would be alot better if john was 5'5", about 120 pounds, blonde, and had really really big....hearts? And 2 X chromosomes....

[@treyhart6861]

One problem though... I remember in highschool... yes, my memory goes back that far.... about half the boys had their hand there. Mainly because they were holding onto their pants so they would not fall off the rest of the way.... apparently your mid-thigh doesnt hold your pants up very well. But yes, I understand your message.. I apply this while driving all the time. Im constantly looking at people's mirrors. If someone is constantly checking their left mirror and is starting to hug the left line, Im pretty sure they are going to change lanes (without their turn signal, of course). Same goes with feet. Quite often, people will point their feet or shift their weight in the direction they are about to go.

[@TheDCinSC]

One minor point: His bet wasn't that he could defeat them in sixty seconds -- it was forty seconds. Boyd was a genius.

[@mmrtactical7764]

Best way I've ever heard it explained!

[@kingfobbit399]

John, OODA is a tenant of OPSEC, in fact it is part of OPSEC Level II curriculum that we teach in the Army......but you knew that.

[@carlforbes1839]

Great video where can I find out more about the OODA loop

[@soundtw77]

I grew up using the loop just A.D.O.O ... dyslexia is a killer. More people need to go about thier days looping it is a must.I would like to here more on this some time

[@thebunnisher109]

John, OODA loop was a part of our curriculum and we had some interesting feedback: While it benefits the tactician, such a mindset at the strategic level is potentially self-destructive for organizational cohesion. This plays into another known issue.....master tacticians are seldom master strategists and vice versa, however we seldom promote master strategists because they fail to pass the tactical filter.

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

I would love to hear someone unpack that

[@thebunnisher109]

John Lovell - Thanks for reply, this discussion was years ago in a joint session for field grade operational officers. Effectively this is the classical liberal v. conservative mindset with applications to technology competitors that employ AGILE structures....if we perform OODA based on direct observation only, we are iterating towards an end state, not necessarily with creedence to the structural confines of the organization. At the operator level this enables survival by outpacing the opposition's own OODA loop so you drive the pace of conflict. The question becomes at what point do you begin to outpace your own organization? I argue that there is a speed limit based on the rate we can gather data, reduce to Intel, pre-stage and supply our materiel and personnel, communicate with our forces, and act decisively. In an expeditionary setting vs an opposition with an organic supply structure, I argue that they are not confined to the same speed limit and are thus able to drive the pace, resetting our own OODA loop more frequently than we reset theirs by our actions. So we adopt a small footprint special operations approach.....which as you have pointed out before stands in stark contrast to the rest of the military. During my period of study we looked at COIN strategy in Afghanistan and were critical of the achievement of tactical response to what amounted to symptoms of a greater problem that we failed to define in terms of strategy, we were not able to really win, and funding dissolved. In response a friend of mine argued he would be amiable to a 20 year deployment......

[@Tymtravel-wz6di]

John Lovell wow. The Bunnisher is way above my pay grade. Sounds like the Government got ahold of that one. Reminds me of the Preacher who was so heavenly minded that he was no earthly good at all.

[@thebunnisher109]

Tymtravel 1911 - Yea I'm not that cool and i never said it was right, but it was an interesting critique that we got with some higher ups in the room and I'm eager to hear the insights of The Warrior Poet Society. The 20 year comment was by a unit commander that was fed up with COIN and had the radical idea to embed in the AOR on a permanent basis, he drew an analogy to John Smith's relationship with Pocahontas.

[@Tymtravel-wz6di]

The Bunnisher gotcha. Me too. Most of those guys are real good, smart guys that really earned their stripes. And stars. Perspective changes when you trade in the rifle for a computer. They should hold on to both, figuratively at least. Much respect.

[@mikecarlson3575]

When your OODA Loop meets someone else's OODA Loop it's time for dancin!

[@zachzach5708]

Are your courses ever not sold out? I feel like I can't get in or the website is lying to me lol.

[@ALAPINO]

*"PLEASE DO NOT MURDER."* - John Lovell

[@xmachine7003]

God

[@Trashcat_Surplus]

Lovin the new introoi

[@charlesdriggers199]

Great instruction.

[@torquemate50]

John did u just enact a scene from top gun

[@nicholasfernandez7720]

sure

[@hreyes499]

Did he just re enact the volleyball scene? So home erotic

[@kekspepeson6000]

Do you ever come do training sessions in the Anchorage, AK area?

[@Adam.Rushing]

Heck no, FAIRBANKS! You Anchorage boys get all the good stuff, share the wealth damnit! Lol

[@toddgaines6600]

John, OODA man.

[@cpwarrior13]

Been teaching defensive tactics for years and this is amazing.....🤙

[@UrbanDefensiveTactics]

Depends on the branch, what you did and duration in it.

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

"Military doesn't know OODA loop." Marine here - was taught OODA loop in combat training and intel school.

[@darknesscomesforallofus4632]

yeah that was a pretty errant statement..

[@PreparedAirman]

Outstanding! What Class is this?

[@anng.4542]

PreparedAirman: Click or tap just under the title of the video and the show notes should appear. The notes say this is 1 Man Room Clearing.

[@Paul-up3pb]

Very interesting & very cool ... thank you. 👍

[@3SIXTYPROD]

I’ve always had good situational awareness I always scan a room I walk into or business I know the exits and have an escape plan an a battle plan I’m teaching my kids the same

[@ravissary79]

Good stuff.

[@tylero2112]

0 dislikes. Wow. John you have accomplished the impossible.

[@matthewturner7691]

JOHN YOUR MAKING IT HARD FOR CROOKS TRAINING POLICE! I LOVE IT! IF I KEEP GIVING YOU ALL THESE UP THUMBS, MRS POET MIGHT THINK IM MOVING IN ON HER MAN!👍🏻

[@justindr.yaegertodd6220]

...she's not the only one...

[@mrbakerskatz]

Always great 👍!

[@1981YoungONE]

John, kinda off topic but have a question... My wife is in law enforcement and at academy they taught 1 eye shooting, I have always learned both eyes open, can you tell me your thoughts?? Thanks!!

[@skipallen3309]

Why cut off in the middle of the training?

[@jhanks2012]

You must have a twofold gaze: sight and perception. sight is weak. perception is strong.

[@HelplmAlive]

Damn, 1.3K likes and no dislikes. Good stuff John.

[@victorvasquez2788]

LOl!! like always great info.

[@cia290]

Good info

[@christopherfisher128]

Ok, this is an old video so I'm sure no one relevant will see this but I have to point out something I think is pretty important about the threat indicators at the 4-ish minute mark. One of the biggest cultural differences we have today is that urban and young men tend to adopt those exact "Threat" indicators when they are scared or "Flexing" it is *not* an automatic indicator that they are dangerous, only that they want to appear to be & yes a lot of them genuinely practice that crap because when they are toe to toe with their peers it works to, believe it or not, deescalate physical confrontations. This type of very different "natural" body language is a big reason we need to reevaluate a lot of what "Science" has taught us.

[@dariusgipson5385]

Happy 4th of July

[@onebaddj]

Didnt know it came from an Air Force Pilot. We have used it forever in the Corps. Stiil live by it.

[@koko65a32]

Where is the second part?

[@fishman80]

i really want a drink, i dont want a drink...lol was funny watching you pick up and put down that cup 3 times without actually drinking

[@Justsayin-p5g]

What are your thoughts on citizens training in military style tactics. As well as the gear. I never served in the military and feel that it's not acceptable by service members. I would greatly appreciate your thoughts.

[@JoshonaMission]

My 5 year old calls cheerios OODA loops!! lol!

[@adrianlankford5765]

John when you coming to MN