Diving expert explains challenges of Thailand cave rescue

Diving expert Greg McCracken explains the challenges of the cave rescue in Thailand to CBC's Johanna Wagstaffe.
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[@kristinjohnson2698]

THIS SITUATION IS JUST PLAIN HORRIFIC! MUCH PRAYERS FROM THE USA!

[@MattColler]

Finally someone who seems to know what he's talking about.

[@gladysrodriguez5498]

Matt Coller TAILANDIA SAID ALL ABOUT.THEY KNOW THE SITUATION. I THINK THEY ARE READY TO DO ALL. THE USA MARINES ARE IN THE PLACE AND ANOTHER SPECIALISTS.

[@christinnovak7519]

This is 😞 sad! It goes to show even the Best of the Best as a Navy Seal that lost his life. RIP. I do hope that they all get out safe.

[@boreyrak808]

It's very difficult to stay for a long time in the cave. Because of so many obstacles of flood water in the cave, so the rescue operations is very complicated by natural obstacles.

[@viescotty3577]

Thank you for information.

[@davidlafleche1142]

Why don't they just pump out the water?

[@eljanrimsa5843]

They do. It helped a lot in the beginning, and it would be the elegant solution, but they probably can't get it all out before the rains start. It's a karst mountain, water can flow in through cracks. They also erect dams to try stop water from flowing in upstream. It's worth a try, but hard to predict if anything they do on the surface will have a real impact.

[@fabiosunspot1112]

Boreyrak Kim say a prayer,there'll make it out🙏

[@janetboreland8765]

Boreyrak Kim curious why did they go down there

[@sehzadelee]

I have met couple of Thai people before , most of them are quite positive and strong people. I am sure boys will get out of this cave safely.

[@CbfYo]

hope no one else dies. peace

[@karenchua7731]

Can they drill the side of the mountain, the bottom, the shortest and closest area? Instead from the top ????

[@nazidaemamboccus9776]

Hats off to the complete team who is making great effort to save life of the guys. Its only God who will make their way easy. Good luck ....

[@yipyeee2]

It sounds like a mission impossible, it makes me worried. My prayers are for them all.

[@Mag6754]

The world is praying for your safety.

[@Trump_Vance2024]

🙏 praying for these young boys and the navy seal that lost his life

[@avcomth]

FYI: The kids are already on the highest ground in that cave--it is well out of reach of the flooding. We knew this because a British cave mapper and a Thai park ranger have detailed recording of the waterlines throughout that cave. Authorities are not worried about the boys drowning, they're worried about them getting cut off again from resupply+medical support (possibly for a long time) should the water rise again because no one will be able to make the dive to reach them.

[@halakedida1944]

We are praying for you. Though I have 100 questions about how they ended up in the dangerous cave. What adventure is in the tiny spaces of that Cave? I am terrified of tiny confined spaces underground.

[@monyroathaprak3510]

Hope they all will be ok. Thanks all the helper. Thanks both of UK that find the boys

[@gride5153]

The CO2 is being absorbed by the water, that is likely why you haven't been hearing about it. I believe they have an Oxygen line in there now as well. Bringing the Boys out via scuba might end up being the only option soon. Maybe it would be better to sedate them a little. This is a very complex rescue with so many things to consider. Let's not forget, these Boys are 2.xMiles/4Km inside the cave. It would be very difficult to bring machinery that far in. If the chamber the boys are in is being pressurised, there is the additional risk of decompression sickness and thus the need for Hyperbaric chamber facilities. MAKE NO MISTAKE - When this is all over, it was not God saving these boys, it was these fine, brave and committed rescuers. It is moments like these that we see the selfless heights of the Human Spirit. THANK-YOU TO ALL THE RESCUERS!

[@tugboat2]

@ g ride: Who do you think gave these fine, brave & committed rescuers their bravery, fortitude and wisdom? I WILL thank the rescuers and let those individuals thank God if they are inclined to, why does that bother you so much?

[@kilroy1964]

tugboat Not a very loving god, trapping them in the first place.

[@tugboat2]

@kilroy: If you knew anything about the Bible, God has given men the ability to make their own choices. You can't blame God if you get run over because you cross a busy highway...(smh). I have seen miracles in my lifetime, though, that gives me hope that these children and coach can be rescued.

[@gride5153]

Believe and pray to whatever deity you like - It doesn't bother me. But kindly refrain from trying to turn this into a religious debate. My comment is a TRIBUTE to the fine rescuers, and the magnificent Man who paid the ultimate price to help save these boys.

[@tugboat2]

@g ride: "MAKE NO MISTAKE - When this is all over, it was not God saving these boys..." "But kindly refrain from trying to turn this into a religious debate..." (Let your own words finish this discussion)

[@cliffvillanueva7878]

put blinking lights under water from start and end of the dive in each pocket area or section, so that divers can easily navigate by looking at the blinking water it would be important that the lights are color coded which is which, also attach each boys with lights so that divers under water can always see and locate them. next they have to pass the boys to the next section where another divers are waiting and do the same passing the boys to the next section to another divers. kinda like passing relay

[@zorkan111]

Keep in mind that the water is muddy and murky and in some cases you might not even be able to see the light.

[@cliffvillanueva7878]

zorkan111 the color of the lights will illuminate and glow the water, put a dark coffee in a glass then put a light beneath it and you'll see, in fact do this in a dark room.

[@zorkan111]

You're right. Depends on the density of opaque particles in the water. If the water is very muddy, the light will reach a much lower distance. All in all, let's not be keyboard experts. People who are there in the field know best what can and cannot be done.

[@tugboat2]

That's an idea IF it can be put into action....

[@Primalxbeast]

Cliff Villanueva You've obviously never been diving in zero visibility before. Coffee is clear, silt is opaque. If enough dirt is stirred up, you literally can't see your hand in front of your face.

[@freddiev6050]

These are the 1st cave graphics I've seen so far. Thanks CBSN!

[@AamirKhan-zl3vl]

Pray for all childrens. Inshallah they will meet there Parents with healthy smile and tears of joy and excitement.

[@concerned_2023]

Anyone considered moving them to the main cave? Is that cave higher and closer to the surface?

[@mikebtrfld1705]

Rick Hyne too easy, this is more dramatic. Are you serious?

[@concerned_2023]

Mike Buttfild Well, looking at the various illustrations, it does seem there is a main cave which leads me to think it bigger, and it is much closer than the entrance. On top of that, it may be higher therefore, less water and closer to the surface. But, I am just guessing at the layout.

[@mikebtrfld1705]

Rick Hyne sounds like guessing indeed. Let's hope.

[@MattColler]

The illustrations in this video are very poor - seem to be merely an artist's impression rather than based on all verified information.

[@looseparashoot]

Rick Hyne the distance is vast

[@montej4829]

audio is not balanced

[@keinunvergebenesaliasgefunden]

Had to use output to my plain old hifi-system to understand his words.

[@monster123456789ish]

its giving me a headache :(

[@wagwanfwegwan]

someone gets paid to do this..

[@mall231]

Oh well could be worse could be trapped in a cave that could fill up with water

[@bhartimanash]

Can the kids be put in some type of a flexible waterproof capsule and its pulled by the lead driver and pushed by the support driver?

[@Mag6754]

God bless. 💪💪💪💖💖💖

[@Tim-57]

Oh no... terrible to lose a rescuer.

[@claindastuart6790]

Oh my goodness!

[@Rock_Girl_Daze]

Unreal. One has to stay calm, and I just cant imagine this.

[@10--50]

Ironically, this is exactly how a diver hears.

[@drphot6050]

Haha... Sounds about right!

[@appmaniac3391]

Dr Phot no.. no... sound is in the left, not right...

[@sammygibson3045]

I would get that tunel dril machine and drill through that cave.

[@candiereece5868]

Sending 🙏 from Michigan we are rooting for these young boys to be reunited with there families. Lord guide the rescue team to help these children make it out alive without any tragedy. My heart goes out to the Hero who risked his life trying to help save these kids.

[@Kenzofeis]

If there is a slope from the cave to a river large diameter drain tubes could be used to siphon out the water relatively fast, but only to a 10m lower level, but that could be a great help.

[@rodneysettle8106]

We learn through challenges and obstacles to advance our understanding of what we are capable of doing. The experienced divers have accepted the challenge to save the life of these young boys we wish them the best of luck.

[@RGTomoenage11]

Lord have Mercy. This is a difficult mission. Lets pray they get them out alive without any more lives lost.

[@RGTomoenage11]

ungratefulmetalpansy Be quiet, i bet you those people are people of faith while you run your mouth puting people down. Why dont you get down there since you are so opinionated.

[@handsomebi-racialgod2612]

roger what is everyone at the russcue camp just prayed instead of planning ? Do you truly believe prayers alone will get them out ?

[@mmann-bk2pw]

roger Albert Einstein would have a difficult time getting those boys out of that cave. Good Luck!

[@RGTomoenage11]

m. mann They will be out. God willing

[@RGTomoenage11]

handsome bi-racial GOD I said lets pray THEY GET them out alive. No one said prayer alone

[@NASTIEST503]

How the kids and their couch got on there? So it doesn't add up anything. why did they walk through the cave? what were they doing? Many questions!

[@dazjoseph2523]

Because the coach used zero common sense and led them into a cave and passed signs that said off limits- he is 100% responsible.

[@dazjoseph2523]

yeah adventures happen and people do things for fun but they were with a coach who was the adult and who led kids who are non swimmers passing off limit signs wearing slippers.......Im sure this coach is feeling the guilt like hell now, but with the possibility of lives being lost not sure how much that helps either way....

[@sintasirait835]

a combination of clueless coach and extremely bad luck

[@chiasanzes9770]

The gave is a tourist attaraction and tourists go in there all the time only when this happen the monsoon rain arrived unexpected and too early. They were traped in the gave.

[@pdales2257]

Cryptameria🔘💠 you don't lead kids into a cave during monsoon season knowing the cave will flood. Pure stupidity.

[@stephenmonash8245]

I think those little warriors are going to surprise everyone. It is easy to say.. but having heard most of the situation.. diving would seem the only viable option. Just take one at a time..a seal either side...use the tactile communication..a tug on the life line, for instance, a tug back for okay.. Give the boys flippers as well.. those currents sap energy. All things considered .. the time is now...as hard as it is to decide...They can do this.

[@EvgeniyaJZ]

Stephen Monash I totally agree. I thought to myself, if (God forbid) I was trapped there, I would be begging divers to take me out by diving. Even considering that I don't know how to dive, only to swim, and not against currents.

[@EvgeniyaJZ]

And the reason is because I'd be more scared of water rising further and flooding the chamber where they're located than having to dive.

[@nevillejameson6627]

Drs Richard Harris and Craig Challen were the Australian medicos who gave all the boys a sedative so they would make the underwater journey safely out from inside the cave . Both Harry and Craig swam each boy out thru the flooded cave to outside using scuba equipment Waiting was a chopper that flew each child to a nearby hospital Great job boys

[@Boonchai-leelaprasertkul]

The rescue specialists from other countries said that this is the hardest rescue in the world.

[@judeisnot_rude]

This will be the dryest monsoon ever

[@zoranpocrnja2646]

the best quick way the boys not enough swimming stamina and green laser light can make see better trough murky waters als

[@Freediv_e]

No audio

[@sweetgirly888]

I prayed for them❤️ so scary omg sweet angels stuck inside god is sending more angels to get u❤️

[@baaby1976]

Samantha Kelly why cant God himself do that task instead of Sending Angels...

[@pascalhenry8677]

The Lord will be the strength of you all....Amen

[@looseparashoot]

Use the haarp to push the rain away!!!!

[@Nick-mf7rt]

The services of the haarp r very expensive 😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-vn4sd6si3y]

Thank you around the world's for helping boy in my country .

[@canyoudigit9369]

Ex: of a though is their like shape in to a Snake body that can be made in a walk way only have two door's, can blow it up so water pushed away and the door to the boy's be dry on that part of the cave and walk thought to their families? Just trying to help.

[@jovin3440]

How deep is the cave?

[@omgwth7567]

about 10 km.

[@Belfreyite]

Thanks for a well delivered snapshot of issues. Our hearts must go out to the people making tactical decisions on the ground. The Dive out option is a huge gamble. Reports have not included any details of passages with sufficient airspace and lengths fully flooded. The full face mask issue is not so difficult and it's no real problem fabricating small sizes for such a critical use. As a diver, I would be very concerned about buoyancy and getting diving weights spot on. I think I'm right in saying a cave diver needs to be slightly "heavy" to avoid constantly rising in the passage and tangling hoses with the roof. These lads are small and thin. It's likely they will be near neutrally buoyant and require minimal weights. The line through the sumps will need to be marked with chemical lights every yard or so.

[@shernahricketts4388]

Y cant i hear the video

[@RadioSnivins]

They shoulda recorded this interview in a water closet for a claustrophobic/sensory deprivation effect.

[@sennaspeed9534]

Why not take underwater scooters for each kid or in groups of 3 or 5?

[@misterymindz]

there are parts of the cave where only 1 man can fit in.

[@omgwth7567]

not that easy for this most complicated cave.

[@sennaspeed9534]

Let's hope for the best! God bless them

[@fabiosunspot1112]

I've done 4000 dives,and that still doesn't make me qualify for cave diving,its very difficult but am praying hard fir them"they'll make it out"

[@janpain1948]

Put a sealed water slide tube through the water with air locks at each end and LED light strips along the tube. Pump air into the tube to expand it and displace water. Pull each boy through every water blocked exit. Much safer than trying to get them to swim or scuba.

[@superbjai76]

Can someone please give this man a mic?!

[@greenleaves1938]

My Left ear is Well Informed.. thankyou!

[@user-hd5lz7qp9p]

Pray to them!

[@jastahhh]

Maybe the best way to extract the kids out is to make an artificial sturdy rubber tube with specific length by section and half meter or so in diameter, installable underwater or a single rubber-like tube, whatever suite the environment. Inside is a fitted sledge-like vehicle, installed with wheel like a roller skate -- to reduce friction and speed up the process of conveying. This sledge-like vehicle can be towed from both ends by a strongest rope, and flexible enough to emulate the contour of the flexible tube inside. Contour made by the passageway as the surrounding rocks demands. After installation of this rubber tube, water can be drain to clear the passage. But the boys should still have the breathing apparatus in case of emergency and a communication device with them. This tube is much more important in the portion where the boys have to dive five meters deep just to reach other end. This is the only safe and quickest way to rescue. Other option is to find a way up beyond the location of the boys following for the source of water current and look for a thinner part of the mountain side to bore holes and divert the water. That way effectively drain the water quickly, and free the boys. They can execute this using the old compass and a helicopter to determine thin side of the mountain relative to the position of the waterway. use modern tech. Help forward this message to authorities for validation, because I think there is only a little time remaining.

[@DreamyRelaxationAmbiance]

this is getting me worried. I saw a doc where divers first placed oxygen tanks along the path . this should alow more divers to pass the kids from one section to another

[@suwanasook650]

Dan Njoroge ผ

[@willzimmermann6615]

So how long we gotta wait 4 lions gate or universal to make a two and half hour movie about this?

[@antoniogonzalez5399]

how about making a vest that holds small cylinders of oxygen, connected to a full face mask with multiple lines going in with valves, station larger tanks through out to refill the small tanks, have the trained divers pull them through one at a time.

[@mja9235]

What the kids need are a bunch of aloe vera plants that can provide alot of oxygen with no sunlight. Hopefully the rescuers can send in soil in a waterproof container along with the plants to provide oxygen to the kids from cavern to cavern. Aloe vera can be drinked if handled properly and it also can heal wounds.

[@mja9235]

Also the aloe vera plants can reduce the carbon dioxide levels in the caverns.

[@kbgbrownbrown2922]

Max Attao Did you do any research into the output of a single plant and how many plants you would need to alter the ppm of oxygen in the air.

[@mja9235]

Kbg Brown Brown .please do a test depending on the size of the plant but most likely the more plants the better.

[@mja9235]

Asap

[@mixboxtube906]

Hopefully they are all fine.

[@user-ni5jq5ym2s]

ของคุญมากไครับที่ช่วยคนไทยได้

[@SOCORROGM]

drill in from the top a mine rescue

[@lukenfl18]

barry graham they can’t. It’s super low.

[@drphot6050]

Let's get it McCracken team!

[@InvertedFreeSolo]

This guy knows the deal. Here's to willing these kids home through sheer hope.

[@FreeThingsForSale]

My left ear enjoyed this video.

[@thattroll9635]

Fix the audio

[@fireskycam9889]

Hi everyone This is a complex and difficult situation for all. The boys can't swim or dive. They are far into the cave. The dive is complex even for experienced cave dives. There are only a few divers in the world who could lead this effort on the original search and two of them were the two Brits. They managed to do what they came to do. Now they are half way through the delicate operation to get them out. Some people may wonder why not just keep doing it faster and get them all out in one go. The extraction plan would have been very complex and precise. It is not just the divers but also the logistical supply chain keeping it going. The replacement of all the swap gear along the way. They would be changing cylinders at certain stages. They have to get them ready for the next attempt, so while the divers are taking their break there would be a hive of activity still occurring underground getting everything reset. I'm an Aussie diver and in the diving world we have a saying "Plan your dive, and dive your plan". This way you wont get ahead of yourself and everyone knows the schedule and their part perfectly. At the time of writing this it is 8 out 5 to go at 0424hrs Zulu 10Jul 2018. With the current successes I believe they will get the remainder out without difficulty. The reason is "They are diving the plan".

[@omgwth7567]

This man is knowledgeable. 👍

[@mikebtrfld1705]

Is this going to be a movie or what. Hopefully with happy ending.

[@Tim-57]

Mike Buttfild Already sad, losing a rescuer... although they did volunteer to help.

[@AndyGwDell]

My right ear enjoyed this video until I realized my headphones were on the wrong way.

[@southhillfarm2795]

There should be no problem to supply air and exhaust air from the cave. Running tubes with fresh air and sucking air from the chamber is a no brainer. Getting the boys ready to drive is a little tricky but I believe they can do this.

[@davidg847]

nice audio.almost hear what he said.

[@smartbibhuti]

David G lol

[@KANASR66]

There was nothing like that, the rescue team was much smarter than all that and they put the kids under a total anesthesia and carry them out very smart indeed

[@mariogascon4102]

Why not use a bamboo raft and let the boys lay flat and equip them with aqualung to be pulled by pulley and to be assisted by the divers.I think this is the best option.

[@onie435]

Are the boys walk into that path also? So many question to asks?

[@Boonchai-leelaprasertkul]

One former Thai navy seal soldier diver dies in the cave.

[@limmeechin1212]

Please let us all pray for a miraculous rescue solution. Do not post anything negative or make fun of this situation Amitofoh

[@tugboat2]

Anger is a by-product of a situation that looks bad for the kids...don't dismiss this natural emotion....it's not hate but a hope that we won't be seeing a bad end to this....Lord help them!

[@geezer4444]

these kids are resilient in many ways unlike westerners they don't fear to much and live day to day in their homes they are prepared to wait knowing things are happening , why they went into the cave was to only look discover not realising the dangers , as seen now . every one there is doing their best to remove these boys just as in many others mine,cave, rescue,s , please anyone putting their thumbs down about the comments or reporting i do sincerely hope YOU NEVER go through what all these people are feeling and trying to do to get these boys and coach out alive as soon possible i pray for all safe return

[@jhovo2008]

No sé inglés y no entendí nada

[@Roedygr]

They could take in a bottle of pure oxygen to refresh the air in the cave where the boys are. Similarly, they could take in chemicals that absorb CO2.

[@kbgbrownbrown2922]

Roedy Green Refresh the air in the cave....uh no...its a gas and would require a direct line from a much larger source of oxygen to alter the ppm in the air.

[@matthewwithum8372]

Made me check my headphones for 5 minutes thanks.

[@Misfit636]

Dude why did they go in so far

[@kbgbrownbrown2922]

Misfit 636 It started flooding. They were forced by water to go further.

[@anng.4542]

Like so many "journalists", this subject matter expert clearly didn't do his homework to understand the training that combat divers go through and how military divers work together while on diving missions.

[@markgohl2660]

The key skill for this trip is Cave diving which is not part of military training. This is why the first people to find the boys where British Civilian cave divers. I used to know a couple of people who where cave divers. The guide lines where installed by cave divers. Military divers do have training in using guide lines and amble levels of courage.

[@nauidiver4649]

Full face mask? What are you talking about? Kid's face is too small and the full face mask is a positive pressure system. Once the seal is broken by hitting a ceiling or by moving the head, it'll free flow. Is this guy a diver?

[@shotgun4758]

Thanks for supporting the help. I love you.

[@chadsimmons6347]

What about many poison snakes to chase them out of cave?

[@laileazmi3287]

Can someone dive without knowing how to swim?

[@BEBOP268]

Why would that coach take them into caves during monsoon season???

[@tugboat2]

Can someone explain to me how those boys & coach (shame on him) got down there so far with no light?!

[@kristinjohnson2698]

tugboat I believe all of them were seaking shelter from a monsoon rainstorm inside the cave? A flash flood happened forcing them further and deeper inside the cave system to prevent themselves from drowning because very few if any know how to swim? Hearth breaking turn of events!

[@stephenmonash8245]

No need to blame the coach...they had done this many times. It is an accident.. a freak of nature. The coach never intended this to occur... and the Thai people are not blaming him. Do not project your own culture of blame onto a Buddhist culture that is more sensitive and forgiving.

[@kbgbrownbrown2922]

shame on you.

[@omgwth7567]

we shouldn't blame anyone for this accident.

[@tugboat2]

@Stephen: To see how young these boys are ...even the coach has apologized (and well he should). We can't overlook the fact that the adult had a responsibility to keep them safe. I don't hate him and HOPE FERVENTLY that these kids' lives are not on his hands and it will turn out well....Lord bless them...

[@kongthai..]

It's good that the boys are calm, otherwise it'll be impossible with hysterical kids. The coach's meditation practise saves the children. Otherwise you need to drill the entire route as preparation (especially the narrow 15" chokepoints), lay a 4 mile long oxygen flexible pipe and pull the kids out by flexible capsule. Gosh! 😥

[@aspiringbanker5923]

God help them🙏

[@Irene-xv2vp]

God is good all the time,

[@dazjoseph2523]

IF the oxygen level is 15% now and theyre not sure when they will be evacuated according to governor- how does he expect the situation to be better if oxygen level continues to lower- he needs to get them out before Sunday- if cave floods again from rainfall- all their work means nothing for the kids. As water goes back in from rainfall temperature along with oxygen level becomes more uninhabitable- so how does this governor expect to wait till after Sunday? The 4 month scenario is nonsensical, if the oxygen level is already as of today 15%. The truth must be that the kids and coach are physically too weak and cannot physically and mentally handle the escape, therefore, the governor is calling for a delay- I am starting to think that is the only main reason, because the kids might already be deteriorating, not because they couldn't start the escape now. Either way, there is no way to unflood the cave completely.

[@mrstanlez]

You dont have a level of a sound normalization person/equipment ? Some sounds are too louder than others. Really disturbing.

[@hizbawitmesgina3353]

Let God help them no one can survive them if the rain comes back.only God can .i will pray for them 🙏

[@lukenfl18]

Hizbawit Mesgina let god help them. They can’t survive if it keeps raining. I’ll pray for them. 🙏🏻 translation done. Thank you

[@sandmbmx]

If only god can help, its pointless the rescue team being present.

[@kilroy1964]

Hizbawit Mesgina Pray to the god that trapped them?

[@vividlyemblazoned7]

Yes, let’s pray to the same god who allowed them to be trapped in the first place. Seems logical...

[@mikesmith8278]

6 out and 6 to go the divers are doing a fine job, Now 6pm EST Australia and by midnight all should be out. Before Tuesday morning Thai-time

[@l.lambert9269]

Where is the "current" ?

[@georgeaye6402]

Mother nature is really powerful. Even the human technology could not address easily, it may take time to rescue 13 boys in cafe. Not support to rushing plan otherwise it could be risk any time. Hope all supports and experts must take time to manage properly as a scientific ways. Sincere

[@tshavntujci7422]

Praying for God to help them out

[@massimookissed1023]

Tshav ntuj Ci , maybe God could have been nice and not flood the cave in the first place ?

[@Lawliet734]

+Tshav Is it possible God trapped them there in the first place?

[@irmagherd9088]

L Lawliet with God, anything is possible

[@tshavntujci7422]

God didn't trapped them there instead they didn't obey those danger cave.

[@exposingliars9824]

Karma. Thai people can't bribe their way out of this one. eh?

[@marialuke3747]

Wooow ,not easy job to rescue this boys

[@KiranKumar-dl7me]

Hi, My suggestion for thailand football team stuck in cave issue. Use inflatable tubes through water bodies to rescue 13 children. Regards Kiran

[@tugboat2]

I think I heard that in some places there is no space above water....in other words, they have to be submerged to get back where they came from...