Explaining Why Mato Hates Oro | Hollow Knight Lore

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[@anujsisodiaNOOB]

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[@Ccmaci]

@@anujsisodiaNOOB Good thing I'm posting lore June 10th so you'll end the summer on a strong note (if you enjoy my lore that is xD)

[@3DOM_]

I’ve wondered forever why the puppet has dream dialogue.

[@Ccmaci]

@@3DOM_ Probably b/c it was game ended by its "stronger" great hopper brother

[@makar_on]

I just love Sheo. He just tries to be a loving sibling even though his family shattering.

[@anhondacivic6541]

Plus he does help the nail Smith when you spare him

[@makar_on]

@@anhondacivic6541 that's kinda gay

[@TheGoldenJay637]

@@makar_on That's the point.

[@eikosimino5579]

@@makar_on 😳

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

@@makar_on pls don't give ideas to internet

[@DeltaPhox]

"Why is Hollow Knight lore hard to decipher" Person: Is there a reason that the Pale King is dead in the White Palace. Team Cherry: Yes

[@FBI-io2ss]

Team Cherry: Maybe

[@DeltaPhox]

This was a real interaction

[@caiterbunch3932]

@@DeltaPhox oh, really? man.

[@DeltaPhox]

@@caiterbunch3932 It was not with me specifically, I remember seeing the interaction in a video that showed it.

[@YoThatsLiterallyMe]

pale king is dead because of the shade lord

[@babo0252]

Oro wouldn't share his cookies with Mato when they were children. Mato holds a grudge to this day.

[@babo0252]

Oro just owes him some cookies.

[@grub3320]

Indeed

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

I wonder what Bugs would make cookies out of

[@memeseekerframpt9082]

@@ImieNazwiskoOK FROM SOULS OF THE INNOCENTS

[@vireperilous4163]

@@memeseekerframpt9082 You mean essence?

[@thatterrariaguidenpc8054]

Oro: I'm sure he was difficult and unpleasant to train under. *Mato: Gives you a nail art for free, allows you to sleep under his house and sees you as his pupil* *Oro: Makes you pay 800 for nail art, Hates you and your guts, wants nothing to do with you* Me: Wow you're one to talk Oro

[@mysteriouscat1098]

Oro is just a tsundere really lol

[@tacticalthomasthegreat3259]

Oro just takes after sly

[@Chara_Dreemurr1]

@@mysteriouscat1098 I know what that's like. TSUNDEREPLANE STOP GETTING SO FLUSTERED WHEN SOMEONE SIMPLY MAKES A SOUND. ITS KINDA WEIRD AND YOUR A TSUNDERE. YOU SHOULD GET FLUSTERED WHEN SOMEONE FLIRTS AND GETS CLOSE TO YOU.

[@solarprogeny6736]

never trust someone who gives you things for "free"... it means the price is more than money

[@v2sauce]

@@Chara_Dreemurr1 what?

[@seabass8163]

Plot twist: it's actually because Oro beat Mato in an intense game of mariokart

[@grub3320]

Reason enough to hate someone for life

[@northernalpine4350]

seems legit

[@maxeon0937]

I think you mean Mario Party

[@jessemanduajno6082]

No not the 200cc skips

[@spark1400]

Got him with a blue shell at the very last second, right before the finish line.

[@fireb0rn]

Great video, cc! I can tell you worked hard on this one.

[@anthonyriveravega8986]

Hi fireborn!

[@nurulnajmaini3869]

Hellooo

[@salty_c7681]

Fireborne pog!

[@DianaPloog]

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@Gianella-r1t]

Omg, it's fireb0rn :0

[@lasagna3289]

I feel like Oro just dressed the dummy as Mato to take out his anger.

[@absolite6]

Maybe the dummy's dream nail dialogue was just what the hopper heard Oro say as he killed and/or propped it up.... If the dummy is basically ment to be Mato, then Oro must of been talking to it. (No like he's got anyone else to talk to..)

[@ExileTwilight]

@@absolite6 You can sometimes get dream nail dialogue from statues. Likely the dreams poured in from those who have focused a lot on them. So my theory is just that Oro has been so focused on the training dummy that his desires/dreams have etched themselves on the dummy.

[@BlappetureCO]

@@ExileTwilight I don't understand how I haven't seen anyone actually say what it is here. It's not just a training dummy, it's a corpse of a great hopper. The 'brothers' is in reference to the great hoppers that come to attack you if you keep nailing the corpse. The wanderer's journal supports this.

[@BlappetureCO]

@@ExileTwilight your point? The fact that it's a corpse means the dreamnail dialogue came from the hopper, probably its last thoughts. It couldn't have come from anywhere else. And like I said, the brothers are in reference to the great hopper's kin that are in hiding.

[@ExileTwilight]

@@BlappetureCO So is the Dashmaster enshrined in his statue? Is the Radiance in the statue at the crown of hallownest? Living things or corpses are not the only things that can carry 'dreams', enough focus on an object can also make it resonate with those dreams.

[@mysteriouscat1098]

All this hate between the two brothers, meanwhile Sheo and the Nailsmith enjoy themselves.

[@poptart-gj9ih]

They enjoy themselves alright ;3

[@julialungan4722]

@@poptart-gj9ih 🏳️‍🌈

[@6alecapristrudel]

and each other lol

[@faceonpaper5111]

@@6alecapristrudel damn you for beating me to the joke

[@wegner7036]

Nah Sheo can just enjoy being alone. Heh heh heh

[@povyourescrollingthroughco3153]

Oro and Mato's relationship in a nutshell This is Oro. He loves his personal space. This is Mato. He also loves Oro's personal space.

[@ceciliaappel7827]

This comment should have more likes. 😂

[@SolarSeaSlug]

Mato and Oro have this dramatic conflict and Sheo and the Nailsmith are just vibin

[@mano__diep1318]

unless the player either yeeted him w the nail or was evil and used a spell on him

[@hillboi5049]

@@mano__diep1318 using a spell to kill the Nailsmith is the most cruel thing you can do.

[@kingboss3685]

@@hillboi5049 along with not saving a grub

[@astrylleaf]

@@hillboi5049 dreamshield exists

[@hillboi5049]

@@astrylleaf wow, fr? You can actually kill him with it? Damn, that's actually even more cruel lol

[@MatDeiBrughi]

I'm just gonna say that since I dropped that 'O' from my name I was finally in peace with my past and free to dedicate myself to my true passion, making music from my Howling Cliff. Oh, Master, I even found a promoter!

[@eruk4678]

I love your covers my friend. I think my favorite is the accordion lace one. Keep up the good work up there at howling cliffs.

[@MatDeiBrughi]

@@eruk4678 Sure thing, the music never stops up here ;)

[@ocsnumber1supporter]

In Mato's dreamnail dialogue in the Pantheon, he says: "Don't leave me behind!" I think this means that they could've had a fight about Oro leaving to go on his own

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

I just thought he owed money. I mean he IS the only one who makes you pay geo for the nail art. But that's a boring conclusion so im glad this video exists!

[@Tintin_Quarentino]

He was the only one who didnt pay Sly's tutoring fees (?)

[@heatherramirez6141]

I wanna like but it’s at a nice number.

[@natanferreira2873]

heeeey this make sense.... i think

[@aboredprophet8128]

@@Tintin_Quarentino so Oro is just making us pay his tuition. Got it.

[@caiterbunch3932]

no, no, wait. that's absolutely hilarious

[@Arkios64]

17:35 Maybe THAT'S what Oro ows Mato! A proper fight side by side, that Oro never gave him; even after all their Masters teachings, Oro holds in his heart the sentiment, that he SHOULD be stronger alone since he (possibly) always was the stronger one who looked after his brothers. In wanting to be so strong that he could protect his brothers all by himself, he instead turned on them and pushed them away entirely.

[@tomasapud8240]

I think it is stated in the game that Sheo was the most skilled one among the brothers

[@Chara_Dreemurr1]

@@tomasapud8240 yeah... AND HE IS POWERFUL. AND ALL HES USING IS PAINT. HES STRONGER THAN THE 2 OTHER BROTHERS COMBINED. WITH PAINT. The pen is mightier than the sword it has no limitation.

[@priamneville5899]

There isn't a ton of evidence for this, but that feels 100% like something Oro would do.

[@mushrooms_and_monstercans]

Interesting theory.

[@somedragonbastard]

There's Dream Nail dialogue in the Brothers Oro and Mato fight for Mato that says "Don't leave me behind!" I assumed that was what caused the divide- Oro thought he had to fight alone, but Mato considered fighting together to be most important, and felt like Oro was abandoning him.

[@ky-aj-m]

Me, ignoring everything said as I watch Sheo paint the Nailsmith Alternatively; Me, ignoring everything said as my goblin brain froths at the mouth from the amazing visuals, word building and art style: Holllowe NKnite

[@thewanderingartists]

😏

[@The_Biscuit_From_Heaven]

One of videogaming’s best gay relationships

[@TheGalaxyWings]

hkUwu

[@ky-aj-m]

@@The_Biscuit_From_Heaven frick yea

[@metald4510]

I’m glad I killed the nail master on accident

[@8bitbumps]

I have a small feeling that esmy was the great nailsage before sly, because ‘how much deeper do we have to go?’ Sounds less like training someone else, more of being trained in high stakes. Also, by the logic that all nailmasters have o at the end of their name, sly and esmy have y at the end of their names.

[@Barakon]

Maybe she was the nailmasters’ mother?

[@chuunikyou557]

@@Barakon Maybe she'll show up in the next game.

[@Your_mom513]

Maybe Esmy was Sly’s sister? The “How much deeper do we have to go” could’ve been them together training under high stakes, like you said. From what we know so far, siblings tend to share the last letter of their names, and like you mentioned, Sly and Esmy both end with “Y”

[@BobDaTitan]

How much deeper sound a tad bit sis ngl

[@SiphaSchola]

Maybe Esmy is Isma ? It sounds like a pet name,

[@benjaminvisser3970]

the 3 brothers names end in o, the nailsage's name: slY... esmY The Ys! Esmy is Sly's sister/brother confirmed?

[@Ccmaci]

Good catch, I didn't think of that

[@ryuudevie7]

Betcha esmy teaches hornet a technique in silksong XD.

[@Chara_Dreemurr1]

@@ryuudevie7 I think I saw a npc named esmy teach hornet something

[@viperakmal]

In some stories... Or maybe Sly's wife in a way... And she is a mother figure to them which probably why the brothers are are arguing... Well there is a version of that... My version would be something like taking out on *Chinese fantasy kungfu and sword fighting art* drama: I mean for my version this is how it goes: Esmy is Sly's younger sister. Mato is probably in love with Esmy. But when Mato, Esmy, Oro and Sly go to some place together... Somehow Esmy got infected... Sly can't let go Esmy when she got infected by Radiant. Sly can't give the finishing blow as that is his sister. Mato well... That's his lover. So surely he becine clueless on what to do. Oro took the sacrifice and dealt finishing blow to Esmy and that caused Mato to become angry and express hatred also lost all reasoning and fight Oro until they somehow come to an agreement or maybe they respect Sheo who arrived late and then move with different path and they told a different story of what happened to Esmy. Sheo who also probably saw Esmy's dead body, and having heard stories from both made him confused and lives in Greenpath secluding himself in thorny area trying to move on by learning different arts. Indulge himself in the arts of creation which is opposite to the arts of nails that caused death... Maybe Sheo is also trying to forget what happened to Esmy but also sad upon what happens between his brothers and even more sad since he himself doesn't have any clear idea of what had transpired between them. While Oro and Mato lives far apart from each other's. Esmy death must have caused Sly to be heartbroken that he probably treading the and following the infection because he wanted to avenge his sister's death by destroying the infection but his mind was also in disarray which caused Sly's mind to be infected until The Knight found him. Sly doesn't blame any of his pupils since he still has reasoning... And then Sly finally comes to terms after saved by the Knights. Or at least this is my version of stories about those Nailsages... 😅😅😅😅😅

[@Skonkey]

@@viperakmal interesting theory. His seclusion in kingdoms edge could also be him attempting to stay away from people as to not hurt them anymore. But at the same time the theme of love isn’t something I see in hollow knight. Either way it’s fun to think about.

[@mertoslav4606]

If Esmy is connected to the training dummy. Then the line "Esmy how much deeper do we have to go" makes sense, since there is a cracked floor tile in the same room. And it leads to the Ancient Nailsmith and a lot of Geo. Maybe Esmy (or Sly) were searching for the Ancient Nailsmith.

[@jimkas3606]

Maybe esmy is the ancient nailsmith

[@高力-n2y]

Damn

[@iasked347]

Wait, in the house you find sly

[@typical8903]

esmy could be sly’s lover or something similar

[@abdurehmanmalik8974]

@@typical8903since Oro, Mato and Sheo share the same last letter of their names and are brothers, Sly and Esmy could be siblings as well.

[@Argos_RB]

I believe the dummy is a representation of Oro, he has stronger brothers, I think it’s a way for team cherry to show what Oro’s struggle is, that being the hard to swallow fact that even tho he is very overconfident, he isn’t as strong as his brothers.

[@Ccmaci]

Even though he's physically stronger than Mato, mentally he's no where near his brother. Very good take you've made!

[@justincoltharp9701]

Ngl pretty sure mato saved oro in a way that dishonored oro, which is why he is owed something, but ashamed and does not show until needed in the pantheon

[@shallow-f7h]

Wait that actually makes sense

[@paulamarina04]

​@@Ccmacihonestly i dont think oro is physically stronger than either of his brothers. when waking up sly, he says the line "oro... you wield your nail... like a club". he mightve just said one of the three brothers at random, but he *did* specifically say oro. along with the "stronger... brothers..." dream dialogue from the training dummy, i believe oro was always the weakest of the three. this explains why hes so fixated on "proving himself", aka proving hes worthy of his brothers. thats where his lone wolf mentality stems from, why decided to part on his own, leaving mato behind, leading to the whole conflict

[@MeteorTribe]

Little people notice how the fight is done, they keep switching stances as when someone is done their attack, the other brother comes forward to protect the other with a pary. Love the concept and i want esmy in silksong

[@justanothermanontheinternet]

I was kinda meh on the whole theory until you pointed out that they are called "Brothers Oro and Mato" instead of nailmasters. Thats badass. And also what i love about this game. You think a theory is all speculation but Team Cherry slips you a little hint that is clearly intentional and then it all comes together in this complete story. Awesome vid! Also mossbag was a lore checker on this??? Very cool.

[@CeruleanTrafficlight]

Possible incorporation of both ideas: What Mato *wanted* was an apology, but, true to Oro being stubborn and saying things he doesn't necessarily mean, Oro *promises him* a duel to the death. Hence Mato won't forget what Oro 'owes' him and never will, in much the way siblings will hold something stupid you said over your head for a considerable time. Oro has since cooled down and has no desire to duel his brother anymore, but also doesn't want to go against his word.

[@kingvamp8267]

Meanwhile Sheo: *Man... I love my boyfriend.*

[@-elcacas_u-2370]

"pill time"

[@Pre-Post-Man]

Your name checks out

[@heatherramirez6141]

Sheo is wholesome boi. In Greenpath just doing his Bob Ross action with love on his mind.

[@DamageMaximo]

ew no stop get some help

[@thepizzaguy8477]

@@DamageMaximo cringe

[@srujankale7274]

When oro says the dialogue, replace "strength" with "geo", i was immediately reminded of sly's obsession with geo

[@blindsloth364]

great video, its cool seeing npc dialogue voice acted by real people

[@arcanefire7511]

But it's already voice acted by real people lololololol. (I know what you mean jk)

[@somniad]

I noticed a long time ago that in the first pantheon, you don't fight against Nailmasters Oro and Mato, you fight against Brothers Oro and Mato, and I'm so glad to see it highlighted in this way. Thank you for making this video which doesn't just explain lore, but, even without a concrete answer to what happened in the past, puts together the wonderful story Team Cherry has told.

[@Dacronhai]

Lol I always thought that Oro had killed a hidden fourth brother with deformed skull and tied him to the pole (as opposed to it just being a training dummy with a great hopper's skull)

[@vraolet]

If you hit that training dummy 25 times, Two great Hoppers will come to stomp your ass.

[@Lia-et8ii]

@@vraolet holy- I didn’t know this I need to now try it out

[@themultiversalassociationo9746]

@@Lia-et8ii if you have the randomizer mod installed it's around 25 great hoppers instead

[@gamerdomain6618]

@@themultiversalassociationo9746 Or four Absolute Radiances

[@Qwerka]

Hi Dacron from the hit KZbin series “Daily Silksong News”

[@mapoking5087]

I don't remember completely, but if you Dream Nail one of the bros during their god fight, it says something along the line of "Brothers always fight together!"

[@TheBonePirate]

that's mato

[@lewismartin3430]

Good luck trying to dream nail them to find out

[@ionicman2908]

@@lewismartin3430 pretty easy actually, just dream nail when mato enters or when they are stunned and also use dream catcher

[@taffles7498]

@@lewismartin3430 wait, u don’t dreamnail them?

[@lewismartin3430]

@@taffles7498 no because i suck.

[@Complexicon_of_a_Startist]

Welp, add this to the list of things to do as we cry while waiting for Silksong :')

[@salty_c7681]

“Is there a 4th nail master? If so it can’t be esmy.” Me: what if there’s a OWO?

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

I mean there is uumuu so it's possible

[@randomchannel2373]

I now wish to run away from umuu

[@10rey72]

HAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHA

[@10rey72]

@khandwa style HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA

[@taffles7498]

@khandwa style *uuwuu

[@ants237]

The video looked really professional! The quality of the editing, and the the quality of the humor gets better with each video.

[@cosmicman4963]

Meanshile Sheo: nailsmith, look at what I have made Nailsmith: OMG thats so beautiful Sheo: thank you, Im gonna put this one at the window so we can appreciate it together

[@Awenova]

I still find it a bit strange that Sheo calls Kingdom's Edge an "ash swept grave". I'm fairly certain that the Nail Masters don't know the corpse of the Pail King's first form lies there. Is grave referring to something else? Also, why is Oro's home the only way to the secret underground section with the very ominous geo boulder, mushroom tablet, AND ancient nail smith? I think its also worth noting what each brother takes with them to their homes. Oro seems to have a lot of stuff from the aristocratic sections of the City of Tears. I'm seeing a lot of geo being thrown around, and I find it interesting how much Sly thinks of trading with geo to be the same if not better than using a nail. Maybe this mystery requires looking more into Sly's past than you might think.

[@Ccmaci]

The nailmasters were around when the 5 great knights existed, so I wouldn't be surprised if during all this time since then he heard rumors about the beacon, but who knows.

[@guiyu3956]

The corpses of the colisseum are all around the place in kingdoms edge, so hes not wrong.

[@noyoucant8862]

This put the Oro and Mato boss fight into a whole new perspective. I will never not look at the fight and think "What a beautifully done story hidden through so few lines of dialogue." It gives the fight both a darker and brighter feel at the same time

[@Stellamarius]

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to voice Sheo Cc! This video was amazing, excellent editing and lore as always! 💙💙💙

[@sevdrakegavial]

lol he kinda sounds like a girl

[@Stellamarius]

@@sevdrakegavial Well, considering I am a girl that makes sense, astute observation xD I'm not great at making my voice sound lower so I hope you'll forgive me for sparing you that

[@Nobody-vh1zr]

@@Stellamarius Nah, it's good! I actually like voices like that for some reason. btw this comment is so underrated

[@Stellamarius]

@@Nobody-vh1zr Awh thank you! ^^

[@nickysuper6875]

lol you could work as anime protoganist voice actor. ( because females voice dont change drasticly over time it works for making a long term show and no offense but i kinda sounded like a guy for a while when doing sheo untill i realized it was a female voic acting) but i bet u knew all of this considering u are a girl.

[@potatofish7730]

Actually, oro and mato played a game of monopoly when they were younger, and oro landed on mato's boardwalk hotel, so he ran away so he wouldn't have to pay. The dummy oro has isnt dead, its an incredibly intelligent great hopper that he practices monopoly against, in the hopes of one day beating his brother

[@GoodKnightNintendo]

“Wait, you’re not Riri” Me: Sometimes (sniff) I can still hear his voiiiice 😭 Amazing video! 🙌

[@nurulnajmaini3869]

Hello

[@GoodKnightNintendo]

@@nurulnajmaini3869 Hello there!

[@brbupdatingtheautopsyrepor8955]

@@GoodKnightNintendo General Kenobi!

[@GoodKnightNintendo]

@@brbupdatingtheautopsyrepor8955 Ah, I see you caught my anchorman special 😎

[@GippyHappy]

when the hollow knight lore video has it's own lore

[@Rhysbarret]

I always thought that the dummy was supposed to resemble mato so oro could take his anger out on it

[@autumn_3989]

Just about the godhome part, I’m pretty sure godhome is meant to return bosses to their prime, as an example take PV, godhome’s strongest ver of Hollow There’s also the fact this is in the godseekers dream so couldn’t contain the current oro and Mato since the only beings able to traverse dreams are those with dream related abilities eg. Radi, Nkg or godseeker This would mean that the conflict between the brothers was never resolved and this was just a vision of what their relationship used to be before it fell apart Great video though! I really like your theories on the brothers, it makes me appreciate their characters and dialogue even more :>

[@cronostrife431]

Actually for all intents and purposes, the bosses are their real selves. This is proven by characters such as Hornet and Grimm showing awareness of where they are and what's going on.

[@Thegoofygoober262]

@@cronostrife431 For the nailmasters it's just a dream

[@akapilka]

@@cronostrife431 Hornet and Grimm are higher beings.

[@Shadowsong-LBA]

@@akapilka Ok, grimm being a higher being checks out. But, I'm not really sure about Hornet, and we have no evidence in the favor of or against either option.

[@marossi]

Hornet is the daughter of the pale king. She is 50% higher being.While grim is 100% higher being. That's why hornet is confused during the Pantheon, and grim knows exactly what's going on, just like the knight.

[@christophvonpezold4699]

You know what I love about cc's videos? The fact that he takes little bits of lore that I would never think to consider and fleshes them out into full on theories

[@GippyHappy]

I always thought that the dummy's dream nail dialog belonged to the dead great hopper. After you slap it, two other great hoppers fall from the sky and -give you a heart attack- attack you. So maybe they were it's brothers? that would make 3 and serve as an interesting parallel to the 3 nailmaster's. 2 that fight together and one that is dead (Oro and Mato eventually fight together again in godhome and Sheo would be dead metaphorically because he gave up his life as a nailmaster)

[@razzmatazz6233]

this actually makes so much sense!

[@tylerlewis9984]

The nail masters were always one of my favorite story lines in hollow knight. It's so wholesome to see them lock eyes and yell gasssoooo in the pantheon like whatever shit they had between them was completely put aside

[@T4coTV]

The production quality is through the roof. Nice video Cc!

[@Ccmaci]

Much appreciated!

[@theFrogLiege]

This is one of those videos where you would never expect to watch the whole thing, but somehow its so interesting and captivating that i can't take my eyes away... the view count baffles me. You should be in the millions

[@Foxyrobo]

4:30 I like how Cc includes random callbacks to other videos

[@FrostBird347]

I still miss rere :(

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

This is lore on completly Otter level

[@falon5750]

2:00 mato: Bruce, it’s been 5 years you still owe me 16 dollars Oro: fuck off

[@MASSOFTHEFERMENTlNGDREGS]

came here from discord :sunglasses: :thumbsup: oh and i can't believe i forgot, thanks for the upload :D

[@geblordofchaos2965]

What if the "duel" mato wanted was not against oro, but ALONGSIDE ORO, oro throught it was against him and didnt want to hurt his brother, só ran away. That would explain why mato thinks oro *left him behind*

[@saifee7899]

Woah I really didn't expect that intro at the start

[@Werdna-ob2ul]

If there's one thing about Oro and Mato I do appreciate in the game, is that in Godhome, Mato joins Oro in your fight with him once he notices Oro in a tight spot during your fight with him. Showing that Mato does still follow his morals over his anger and will put his hatred aside to aid his brother in their time of need.

[@swaraajchadha8907]

Bro this video is SO well made! The analysis, the possible paths, the actual inclusion of what’s likely and unlikely, and that conclusion! Outstanding my man! You deserve thousands of more subscribers

[@cherrypuddles]

Oro said Big Chungus wasn't funny, that's why Mato hates him.

[@stuffstuff3455]

Steel soul jinn says that the knight has a will of it's own, so when hornet says she doesn't share an emptyness with it, the only thing she can be talking about is void! Hornet even says that the knight has a choice to either become the hollow knight or kill the radiance! She only says this in the black egg temple once you got the void heart so the theory that the void heart hollowed out the knight is false, so is void hornet and the knight and the vessels being hollow

[@wegner7036]

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[@Stitastic]

honestly this channel deserves much more than 10k subs. these lore videos alone are amazing

[@baalplays7855]

I always thought the implication was that Oro's training dummy is dressed up like Mato, because Oro is training for the day when he'll be able to defeat Mato.

[@SourCoffeeExpert]

I thought the training dummy was esmy. When you encounter sly for the first time he talks about how esmy was poorly wielding his nail. Or her idk. Then when you dream nail the dummy it says “stronger brothers” so I kinda assumed that meant the dummy was esmy. Kinda thought esmy got disowned or something.

[@abdurehmanmalik8974]

Seeing as Godhome is in the Dream Realm, it’d be interesting if their reunion and reconciliation is a dream they both unknowingly share.

[@DementedDuskull]

Also Oro is a latin word meaning "I beg" which may be why he's the only one who charges Geo for his lesson Edit: Also Gold in spanish, which makes even more sense.

[@serraramayfield9230]

Real-life languages really shouldn't be taken as evidence; all languages in-universe are constructed/false. I hope you don't read this incorrectly

[@DementedDuskull]

@@serraramayfield9230 I was just sharing a fun fact =T

[@serraramayfield9230]

@@DementedDuskull It's a coincidence

[@DementedDuskull]

@@serraramayfield9230 =T

[@oof4077]

@@serraramayfield9230 It could be intentional, but you go to a quick conclusion. Show me evidence for your claims.

[@AdiPassover]

This video is extremely well made! It was very interesting, and I enjoyed it a lot. Good job!

[@indivd83]

Nailsmith: Sheo paint me like on of your French bugs 1:07

[@badsyntax173]

Love these lore videos, awesome work CC. I always thought the nailmasters were not very well explored

[@ballekitt5001]

My theory has always been that what Mato wants from Oro is a duel, hence why they fight together in godhome and oro is most likely telling him that he needs to hone his skills for some time longer However idk bc I never got any of sheo’s other dialogs

[@frozenreaper5028]

Decided to watch this after class xD, Love the effort put into it and keep up the fantastic work!😄

[@Ccmaci]

I'm glad you enjoyed :D

[@Equimage_]

dude i teared up at the end. thank you so much for making this video

[@Ccmaci]

My pleasure, I'm glad you enjoyed :D

[@TheGrinningGamer]

Yo! I'm still blown away with how much polish your vids emit and how well-thought-out the theories are. Well done, Cc and friends! :)

[@haspberry5728]

And then there's me who can't even differentiate between the two brothers.

[@shpostmile1510]

yea when I got to the "debt" dialogue I just thought "duel" and forgot about it

[@zapking8209]

Absolutely loved the conclusion. 10/10 for the way in which it wraps up the ideas in the video, solving the decayed family’s conflict, and gives the fights in godhome actual significance

[@Windette]

CHRIST THE QUALITY ON THIS IS OTHER WORLDLY! Furious praises to you good sir. Exceptionally scripted and even better editing. Clearly Hours of time gone into this

[@itsnarroblox]

YOOOOOO ITS THE GUY

[@SAM33983]

​@@itsnarrobloxain't no way bro got 1 like in 3 years

[@itsnarroblox]

@@SAM33983 bruh windette's comment only got 2 lol

[@tsirakura1684]

absolutely amazing video cc. the lore is really well thought out and explained

[@Bungus_ror]

My theory is that oro killed someone with his nail which is reason why he's haunted by shame and he's scared of killing someone else which is why he's haunted by fear

[@chrisj403]

I love this topics like these that aren't really talked about, hopefully there's more videos like this to come!

[@volteonex1862]

As someone who can’t stand people being upset and is very soft, I really just wish I could give them both hugs and cookies ;u;

[@somehippies]

stop

[@alvaromartinezgonzalez9344]

Cringe

[@alvaromartinezgonzalez9344]

With offensive intention 👍🏼

[@somehippies]

@@alvaromartinezgonzalez9344 agreed

[@plugshirt1684]

@@alvaromartinezgonzalez9344 such a way with words

[@tonyage27]

team cherry perfectly crafting a response to anything to give the least amount of lore they could possibly give while still giving an answer:

[@ya_papug]

1:52 the voice acting is *amazing* !

[@xarrox123]

After binging mossbag's lore videos I'm happy to have found another great content creator. The VAs are awesome and so is your way of analyzing the topic and the presentation. Thanks!

[@thetalamhclisteach1848]

Another great video! I feel like some of the minor characters (such as the nailmasters) get swept under the rug in discussions of Hollow Knight lore because they don’t directly connect with the main conflict of the Pale King, the Radiance, the Void and the fate of Hallownest. Shedding light on stuff like this helps keep lore discussions fresh and interesting!

[@nonamee69420]

I heard the dummy is actually a great hopper in nailmasters' clothes...

[@markomenalan]

Nice work! Looks amazing and people who voiced Sheo, Mato and Oro did a great job!

[@Cinderbloom]

NGL that is the first, THE VERY FIRST, add that I have gone "I am sorry what", immediately paused the video, and gone to follow the add Good job, didn't realise that could happen

[@eathanwinters7737]

Your mascot is something that should only appear in one of my nightmares

[@foxx9369]

Trust me, it should

[@ThreeStrikesOfVoid]

Great video!!! I always love these lore speculation theories. And goddamn, that final line gave me CHILLS.

[@pulim-v]

Me, having a good day Cc: uploads Me: has an even better day!

[@Gell-lo]

Slapping me with the feels at the end, eh? How dare you. Nice vid, my man.

[@demapples144]

“It’s a dead end here.” “ *H O W E V E R* “

[@MooseyVGM]

Wow! This was so very well crafted, Cc! Super amazing job, dude :P

[@IHasSword]

This kinda time loss on watching a video like this is what i consider to be productive Edit : great video btw

[@Ccmaci]

Eyy, thank you!

[@candelcosmos6679]

I *LOVED* the video!! So much thought put into it, and I actually really liked the outcome! The editing and the pacing are very well handled as well, hell yeah. Great video and great theory!!

[@pizzapersona9320]

I hope that Oro and Mato actually fight you in the pantheon and are not just dream representations, that way they can seek each other out after the events of hollow knight and forgive each other

[@AhmedAhmed-fc8gh]

the corpse is just a great hopper wearing nailmaster clothes

[@CalamitasCalliope]

This voice acting in this video makes me want to see some people voice all of Hollow Knight

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

9:28 "Though that crucial emptiness, I lack." She isn't void.

[@puppd7428]

I do like to think there was a 4th nailmaster. The spin attack by the nail sage may have been the last art. And we never got to learn it.

[@simonhenriksson1254]

I honestly love this breakdown and theory about the brothers so much because it fits in extremely well with the themes of unresolved tension and self-inflicted punishment due to miscommunication and stubbornness found through-out the game

[@TheVardener]

I think owing an apology or something verbal makes a lot of sense. Oro says Mato has "strange notions of loyalty and honor" likely means that while to Mato, words or an apology mean a great deal, Oro couldn't care less. To support this, Sheo speculates Oro's isolation is possibly due to one of three emotions. Shame and fear make sense in tandem, but pride is a bit of an outlier. In this sense, I think a possibility is that Oro slighted Mato in some way, and being too proud to admit any wrong doing, left and never returned. I personally think it has to do with finishing their training, and reaching Sly's heights. I think that they fought Sly together as a team, since Sly seems to value teamwork to a degree, and they lost due to Oro being selfish or trying to accomplish a part on his own. Out of pride, Oro refuses to admit he did anything wrong to Mato, and left. This also makes sense for fear and shame, he could be ashamed he lost, and after a while refused to return, afraid of how Mato would react. In this sense, what Mato also feels owed could be a rematch with Sly, together, still wanting to put aside his personal gripes and complete the challenge given to them both. The reason Oro gives of saying Mato has to wait a bit longer could then be taken as "I'm not ready to fight yet." Finally, the best reason why I like this idea, is in Godhome. This would mean that since the knight has been bowed to by Sly, they are in a sense, another nail sage, or at least comparable to one. Meaning that Oro agreeing to fight with Mato is not only them putting aside their differences, but also Oro giving Mato what he's owed.

[@JadeFoxAlpha]

The sheer effort put into this video is matched only by the clarity of its speculation. Another great video!

[@danterik9781]

I didnt want to dwell much on what happened. Theyre siblings and rivalry and conflicts are inevitable. Moral of their lore and story for me was that you should never forsake your siblings closest ones, and even if you they are still here for you. In the pantheon you fight against Oro but only after you beat his ass, Mato appears to help him. Its this little detail that no matter the conflict and beef they had, if one is in trouble they will always come to assist one another and ignore their past, which is what being brothers is about. Its so beautiful 😭

[@toast6349]

AAH THIS WAS SO NICE TO WATCH!!! i had no idea about the nailmaster lore.... thank you sooo much for figuring it out and explaining it!!!!! this was the first time i watched any of your videos, and you can be sure im gonna watch more :D

[@TheAdvertisement]

2:00 PTSD moment. 17:33 Well, the dream forms of Oro and Mato in the Pantheon are not the same as their conscious selves though.

[@thedorklord1029]

I am really thankful that you mentioned how the training dummy was actually a Great Hopper. Also, about fake ReRe: 4:35 *Right Behind You Intensifies*