Ceado E37SD - first impressions

I got a Ceado E37SD grinder. See it being unpacked, tested, have burr alignment applied, burr seasoning, and the first good shot.
A commercial style grinder with 87mm burrs but because of its low retention and single-dose design, as few of the disadvantages of a commercial grinder as possible. I'll be keeping this one for life, I think.

[@johnadams9044]

On Home-Barista, a number of people with the Ceado E37SD grinders stated that the new Opalglider burrs do NOT clog up like the titanium burrs did, The new Opalgliders ground faster as well. They provided substantial improvement over the older titanium burrs. They come with the new 37SD and can also be purchased idependented to upgrade older E37SD's as well as E37S models. /Rob thanks for a wonderful expressive review video,.

[@RobFisherUK]

Thanks! I remember being vaguely skeptical when I found I didn't have the titanium burrs, so it's good to see someone has made the comparison.

[@MultiEmoto]

Nice job on the video! I particularly liked that you allowed the camera to linger on the various shots so that the viewer could get a good look at things.

[@mines851]

Sounds like I made a similar switch. Had a Vario W for a long time, got fed up with inconsistency, made the plunge and have had an E37S for about a month now and am simply in love. No burr mis-alignment for me, just quiet, stable, repeatable fluffy clouds…..

[@itemeodem2616]

das erste mal, dass ich mich mit dem Thema befasse. Umso hilfreicher deine ausführliche Vorstellung. Diese Mühle scheint alles aus einer Bohne an Aromen herauszuholen; darum geht es. danke

[@brettb1]

Looks really well built solid machine

[@ozpain1]

I bought the e37s and love it. Upgraded to SSP burrs. Still love it, but I single dose. If I could do it all over again, I’d have the SD instead. Considering trying to sell the mine to upgrade, but with the original burrs. I’d keep the SSPs haha!

[@Todd.T]

Just bought an E37S. Grounds are so fluffy. Many people are buying aftermarket bellows kits or finding alternatives that were intended for other uses (OXO pastry bellows). I find that with the E37s it will expel almost all the grounds if you run it for longer. The shots have yet to channel and are very creamy. I only really would have wanted the bellows off the E37SD and not all the rest of the stuff like the kit that comes with it. The bellows is not something that you can fit from one machine to the other. Either it comes with the bellows or not. It just didn't make sense for me. All of the shots have been fantastic. It's hard to get it wrong with a Ceado. I'm using a Rocket Giotto Cronometro R.

[@andytan168]

Hey Rob, when adjust the grind setting using the knob, does it also turn the top burr?

[@marcin.sobocinski]

Hi Rob, just to let you know I have E37 S (regular one, not single dose one) and had just about the same problem with burrs alignment :(. I used thin aluminum foil placed on the flat part of the burr's bed (not in the groove). I was afraid that if try to lift only that narrow flange of the burr the burr will flex. Finally I managed to have the burrs aligned (haven't touched the rotating burr as well as it looked much better than the fixed one). Still I am very disappointed that at least my grinder was so much off. Should not happen in the grinder of that price. Unfortunately I forgot to measure the burrs to check the source of missalignment (if that is the burr or the bed machining flaw).

[@hanzohcafe.]

I have the E37S as well and it is not grinding fine enough for espresso regardless what type of coffee I use. Could it be the misaligned burrs. I'm at the zero 0 point and still coarse grinds I get.

[@marcin.sobocinski]

@@hanzohcafe. Not necessarily the grinder is not grinding fine enough. If you have burrs not aligned part of the burr grinds super fine and part of the burr grinds relatively coarse. That is the problem with dialing such a grinder. The particle size has way too much of a range. You are not able to dial in such grinder, there will be always channeling. Just check your alignment - its very easy. The only problem you can have is that you will have to move the grinding regulation knob (its actually a kind of semi circle "fork") if you won't be able to move it so far (and you won't be ;)) to have the burrs touch. Just mark the former alignment of that fork, unscrew two screws and rotate it to increase the range into more fine grinding. When you do the checking please use manual mode (not single or double) and move the knob once the motor is idling e.g. slowing down - not to stall the motor once its under power. Please have a look here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4Gcf3-sYqarfcU to see why burr alignment is so crucial. Basically the ultra grinders does not differ so much vs. our Ceado... I mean in terms of the mechanics. What matters is a precision of manufacturing that translates to... burr alignment :D

[@hanzohcafe.]

Thanks for your response, do you have by any chance a video on how to do this for this grinder? I was planning on returning it today but if I can make it work I might keep it. Cheers.

[@marcin.sobocinski]

@@hanzohcafe. Unfortunately I do not have any such video (all I could offer is to guide you somehow on Skype one day ;)), but if you have a good reseller it would be much easier to either return the grinder or to make the reseller check the alignment and "prove" to you it's right. Placing shims under the burr is still a kind of a crutch. The whole burr bed should be aligned and perpendicular to the motor axis. As you could see there are grinder producers who check the alignment in the factory. All I can tell, the difference between burrs off and aligned is a night and day either in terms of ease of pulling nice shot and taste of course. Probably in 2-3 weeks I will recheck my alignment (and maybe look for some better option to align the burrs than placing thin aluminum foil pieces under them) so if you do not have your problem solved till then just drop me a message.

[@hanzohcafe.]

@@marcin.sobocinskiI can't thank you enough for all your input. Also much appreciated your offer on guiding me via Skype. I might give it a shot on my own, just a bit scared damaging my burrs. You are giving me a reason to keep my E37S 😂. One more question, regarding the Aluminum foil people are using, is it the Aluminum foil used for cooking😅? Or is it a special foil that gets purchased somewhere.?

[@peterfraunhoffer7126]

I had the E37SD for 1 1/2 years. The coffee was great but the handling was terrible: Ceado didn‘t put enough effort into the development of a single dose grinder, they changed only several parts of the existing Ceado E37S. If you use WDT you don‘t have a mess on your counter but if you use WDT after several days the grinder just stalled during grinding, especially if you use dark, oily roasts. I sold it and now I‘m waiting for my Lagom P 64, we‘ll see how this grinder works. Hopefully better!

[@RobFisherUK]

I haven't hit anything like this that annoys me yet. But best of luck with the new one, anyway!

[@Pdubbcooking]

WDT is done after you grind. I don’t understand how that would affect the grinder in any way.

[@peterfraunhoffer7126]

@@Pdubbcooking Sorry, you are totally right. I wrote „WDT“ instead of „RDT“. The effect I described stays nevertheless the same. Thank you for paying attention.

[@karpmaster]

Great review. Does the grinder outputs 18.0 grams from 18.0 grams right after its been fully cleaned?

[@RobFisherUK]

No. There is some retention. I haven't measured it. It's not enough for me to have noticed any problems. From what I've read the amount retained is small for a big burr commercial grinder but if you want zero retention there may be grinders better optimised for that.

[@devrim1134]

Hi Rob, very nice and detailed review, thnx! I’m thinking about to buy the same grinder. How do you feel about the Ceado 4 months later, still happy? Small note: you were mentioning that you didn’t use WDT during the seasoning of the burrs. Think you meant RDT ;)

[@RobFisherUK]

Yes, I am still happy. I get really consistent results. What I find I am concentrating on now is even distribution: I can tell with the naked basket when I get that wrong. Grinding just works, there is no fuss. Well actually there is some fuss: the RDT really helps, so it is fuss to do it. And I do find I want to use the brush after every grind because some coffee will stay in the spout otherwise. But it's not really a problem to do these things.

[@ratephi]

Great video Rob, thank you. I just bought myself a 37SD and must say that I'm astonished by how misaligned the burrs are. 10X yours, quite literally. Difficult to accept on a grinder at this price point... I'll try with the tin foil as you did. Questions is, did you folded the foil or are each of the pieces of tin foil I see in your video just 1 single layer of it? Many thanks again.

[@RobFisherUK]

I did a bit of trial and error. At least one piece is folded once, if I remember correctly.

[@deathcomebg]

Hi, great review and video.I have same grinder and is very good but have one question for alignment? I make alignment on my other grinder but here is different because when I turn to finer and then to coarser upper ring jump some 1 mm I see and yours like mine make this, my question is whenu make alignment u turn only on finer or coarse or in both ways? Last question when I make coffee if I need to turn finer I turn then turn little coarse for this upper ring to slide down ? U make same way when you turn finer stay that way? Thank you !

[@RobFisherUK]

I always finish any adjustment by turning it finer, so to go coarser I overshoot then turn back. I don't think it matters which way around you do it as long as you do it the same way when you do the alignment.

[@gabrielmc5893]

Hey, Rob! I have an E37S and I'm thinking about changing the burrs. Does these opalglide burrs fit in the E37S? Btw... do you think they are better than SSP? Or just different?

[@RobFisherUK]

Honestly I haven't gone that far. I haven't tried different burrs. They should fit because the SD is basically the same grinder. But it does grind more slowly than the S so I don't know if grind speed affects burr design or not.

[@ozpain1]

I’ve asked WLL and they said the opal glide burrs fit the e37s. Thinking about getting those eventually, but I already upgraded to SSPs this year.

[@johnadams9044]

Place your palm on the bellows and not our fingers. You don't want air leakage to promote maximum air pressure.

[@mihaidumitrescu1325]

hey @Rob, How is your experience after 2 years with your grinder? Still happy? Is the sweetness still there? Would you buy it again?

[@RobFisherUK]

Sorry for the slow reply: but it's still exactly as it was when I bought it. Still reliable and consistent. I'm still happy!

[@brknlngs5227]

Trying to dial in my new purchase however I’m not getting close for an espresso grind. I can turn the adjustment finer but I’m starting to chirp? Is this a sign of needing shims?

[@RobFisherUK]

Chirping but not fine enough could well be burr alignment, yes.

[@brknlngs5227]

@@RobFisherUK got it resolved after 2 alignments I determined it was the burrs. It pulls shots perfect now!

[@user-iu8er5ci4q]

How many Kg seasoning ?

[@JasonAlexzander1q47]

I'm not understanding how you fixed the alignment. Or how you used the pen to expose the point of misalignment. Or where you shimmed it. I was thinking of buying one of these and upgrading the burrs to ssp and etc. But know I'm afraid to remove the burrs that come on it and replace them with upgraded ones.

[@SuperGajol]

Don't be afraid to change the burrs. Look around on KZbin on burr allignement, they usually already come from factory slight misaligned so give it a try and if it dosent work out, it's revearsable and just remove the shims ☺️ The ssp burrs would be a really nice upgrade you will see!

[@JasonAlexzander1q47]

@@SuperGajol I ordered the grinder. Bought the upgraded burrs. Requested them to do the burr switch. I'm hoping they get the alignment right.

[@RobFisherUK]

I will add to not be afraid to mess with it. Because everything is metal, it really does go back together exactly as it came apart. (My experience with Vario burrs and all its plastic parts was different...)

[@MrMilanina]

@@JasonAlexzander1q47 What burrs did you go with, please? Any comments on the device after using it for some time now? Thanks and cheers!!!

[@Sammiecheeks16]

How u liking it there is so many sd grinders out there that look nice but the grinds that come out of this always surprises me it kind of looks like there conical burrs

[@RobFisherUK]

Still liking it! I don't have much to compare with but it's solid and consistent and just works. I've even stopped bothering with the RDT and it's fine.

[@Sammiecheeks16]

@@RobFisherUK how is it with darker roast I’m really thinking I should just get this one idk don’t like how it’s made it looks old but what it lacks in looks ur doubles with grinding it deff a work horse especially for that price

[@RobFisherUK]

@@Sammiecheeks16 I think it's very well made. Everything is metal and you can take the whole thing apart easily and it goes back together easily without even adjusting the grind! It will last forever. I have tried darker roast and it makes no difference, it works just as well.

[@Lucio88K89]

One more question, what ships the setting be for espresso coffee? I find that even at 1.5 my coffee is flowing like water through a sieve!

[@RobFisherUK]

I have it calibrated so that the burrs start touching at 0, and currently it is set at 1.25 for espresso.

[@Lucio88K89]

@@RobFisherUK hi, that’s what I thought. Is there a video anywhere or instructions how to calibrate the burrs? I have a feeling that’s the problem. Thanks

[@RobFisherUK]

@@Lucio88K89 this very video shows me aligning burrs. For calibration, just make finer until you hear them chirp, then physically move the ring with the numbers so it shows 0. It's magnetic.

[@Lucio88K89]

@@RobFisherUK thank you very much, really appreciate your help

[@CorrupteddSanity]

How are you liking it thus far, Rob? Its been nine months for you. I received mine a month and a half ago. Happy with it.

[@RobFisherUK]

Yes, still happy! Not planning to buy another grinder ever (which was part of the idea of getting a commercial grinder). There's perhaps more retention than I first thought, especially since I got lazy and stopped doing the RDT, but it's no big deal. I get good, consistent shots.

[@CorrupteddSanity]

@@RobFisherUK good to hear. I'm wondering how I often I should clean the chamber.

[@RobFisherUK]

@@CorrupteddSanity er, less than every 9 months seems fine 😬😜 Actually I did brush it out a bit a while back. It's great how easy it is to take apart and how it goes back exactly how you had it before.

[@CorrupteddSanity]

@@RobFisherUK I was wondering if you'll get less out for a while after cleaning it. Because the spaces & crevices that got cleaned now need to be filled again.

[@RobFisherUK]

@@CorrupteddSanity yes, I think so, but I think it's gradual enough to not really be noticeable.

[@Lucio88K89]

I only make three cups of espresso a day and now I find out I have to clean burrs every week or so, as yesterday it stopped grinding. After cleaning and asking seller how to maintain, that was what I was told, is this true for everyone?

[@RobFisherUK]

I have never cleaned the burrs! I suppose some stale coffee oil might build up and affect the taste. Or maybe it cycles around. I've never noticed. But I can't imagine it not grinding from lack of cleaning. Is the motor stalling or is it not drawing in coffee?

[@Lucio88K89]

@@RobFisherUK hi, motor is not stalling, it is not drawing in the coffee, as when I opened the rol to see burra all the coffee was till there! I cleaned it and it worked, if it happens again, I’ll have a service tech come out. One question, if where I live has high humidity, could that cause the burrs to fill up with coffee remnants and then just spin around and not grind?

[@RobFisherUK]

@@Lucio88K89 it's not out of the question that humidity has some effect. Also possibly light vs dark roast. I've seen reports from people complaining about how the coffee comes out of the spout due to static, and others including me not having problems, and it seems to be explained by these kinds of variations. Might be worth asking this on Home Barista forums - you'll get a wider range of experience there.

[@Lucio88K89]

@@RobFisherUK thank you very much for your help, I will try there as well, really appreciate it.

[@Thetache]

In all honesty do you think it is £1000 better than the Niche Zero (or any of the mid level prosumer grinders) in respect of the coffee produced ?

[@RobFisherUK]

In respect of the coffee produced, no. Factors I considered: never needing to buy another grinder (because not wanting anything better; expecting it never to break); liking the design (engineering and appearance); this particular one minimising the downsides of commercial-style grinders.

[@RobFisherUK]

That said, was my Malkhonig Vario "any of the mid-level prosumer grinders"? If so, this is better than that. Vario was never as consistent as this, so I get better coffee more reliably now. Adjustments have a more predictable effect, shot to shot results are the same unless I mess up distribution.

[@MrJusmobile]

YES!!!!!!

[@Thetache]

I would say the Vario sits at the entry level of burr grinders like the one on the Sage Barista Express which also produces inconsistent results. The world of home grinders is a very different place now 2 years on as it has become a bigger market, with many more players, do you still have the E37SD?@@RobFisherUK

[@RobFisherUK]

@@Thetache yes, I still have it, and still don't feel any need to change it: it would take a big leap in technology to induce me to do that, I think.

[@hanzohcafe.]

Have you tried dialing in a lighter roast?

[@RobFisherUK]

I mostly buy form Hasbean and some of their roasts are quite light, but to be honest I have not tried anything super light. It is possible to stall this motor, though I have only done so by dumping a large amount of coffee in at once (when I was seasoning).

[@johnadams9044]

I have never hear the whining roar noise coming from other same models. Are you grinding stones and rocks? Seriously, other E37SD machines are remarkably quiet since the motor assembly is mounted on rubber.

[@RobFisherUK]

The noise is not particularly obnoxious in real life. It's some combination of my microphone placement and your speaker. You can hear the motor noise alone at 5:15 and at 9:02 I think there's a bean stuck in there, which happens sometimes. It's not that loud. It's also possible the timbre changes as the burrs get more seasoned.

[@001jozef]

Absolutely unacceptable,this coffee grinder has price 1800£ and comes not aligned properly?also it sound while grinding terrible noisy.no thank you ceado!

[@barskuleli8612]

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