Cessationism 10 (The Godfather) Daniel Kolenda: Off The Record

In Episode 10 of the "The Heresy of Cessationism" series, Daniel delves deep into the examination of cessationism, dissecting arguments from theologians like Warfield. By scrutinizing the inconsistency in assessing biblical miracles versus contemporary testimonies, Kolenda challenges the rational basis of cessationist beliefs. He explores the philosophical underpinnings of David Hume's skepticism and advocates for a theological approach over a rationalist one. Ultimately, Kolenda asserts the unbiblical nature of modern cessationism, urging listeners to adopt a more scripturally grounded perspective.
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To view the other parts of this series about "The Heresy of Cessationism" visit:
Cessationism 1 (The Scriptures)
• Cessationism 2 (A Casc...
Cessationism 2 (A Cascade of Lies)
• Cessationism 2 (A Casc...
Cessationism 3 (Has Prophecy Ceased?)
• Cessationism 3 (Has Pr...
Cessationism 4 (Have Tongues Ceased?)
• Cessationism 4 (Have T...
Cessationism 5 (Gifts of Healings)
• Cessationism 5 (Gifts ...
Cessationism 6 (Evidence of Modern Miracles)
• Cessationism 6 (Eviden...
The Heresy of Cessationism 7 (Miracle Workers)
• Cessationism 7 (Miracl...
Cessationism 8 (More Calvinist Than Calvin)
• Cessationism 8 (More C...
Cessationism 9 (The Pagan Origins)
• Cessationism 9 (The Pa...
Cessationism 10 (The Godfather of Cessationism)
• Cessationism 10 (The G...
Cessationism 11 (Miracles in the Middle Ages)
• Cessationism 11 (Mirac...
Cessationism 12 (Awakening & Revival)
• Cessationism 12 (Awake...
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[@TroyBlack]

This was brilliant. And more importantly, biblical. Thanks for putting this series of videos together.

[@doughanson3140]

As TL Osborn said, "The answer to any prayer is a miracle whether it be for the healing of cancer or to find a penny on the ground, therefore, if one doesn't believe in the miraculous, why waste your time praying at all."

[@DanielKolenda]

Amen!

[@doughanson3140]

Excellent, actually brilliant teaching here. No one that I know of has ever dealt with cessationism at this level.

[@acts413biblecollege8]

Thank you so much for doing these!!! It’s about time someone took it to the systematic of unbelief like this. Cessationism will die out in this generation.

[@benm27]

God bless you Daniel, I really appreciated this series of teachings! Praise God!!!

[@millrev]

This was absolutely amazing. These videos should have millions of views, I hope they do soon as this is incredibly important for the Church to learn and embrace.

[@pushparajdominic3]

Daniel, you are both spiritually strong and intellectually very sound. Amazing. I thank our Lord for such men of God as you.

[@JoyFullmamaof4]

Funny you mention Through the Gates of Splendor. I came to listen to this podcast right after listening to Elisabeth Elliot's podcast. She's Jim Elliot's widow and the author of the book by the same name the movie is based on. Her podcasts are wonderful. All that aside, this is the finest series going through the continuation of the spiritual gifts I have ever heard. Such a teaching is so needed now. Thank you for your time! Blessings.

[@DanielKolenda]

Thank you 🙏

[@wearegospelawakening]

These podcasts transliterated would make a groundbreaking book on this topic. Absolutely ingenious and fascinating series Daniel. You worked very hard and put allot of thought and time into this. Thank you!

[@DanielKolenda]

Thank you ☺️

[@paul.awaraji]

Amen brother Daniel! Powerful 🔥

[@ayanda-zs]

Thank you Evangelist for this teaching. Learned a lot - brought so much peace.

[@TheProphetBear]

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

[@pastorgscottw]

Have been binge watching this series... absolutely love the biblical, logical and historical approach to this topic... best I have ever heard.

[@DanielKolenda]

Thanks pastor 🙏

[@drewkaranja]

I have thoroughly enjoyed this series of podcasts.

[@dawnatanasio4871]

Another fantastic episode. I can’t wait for the next one!

[@dianebergsma7898]

Why do these men make such things so complicated? Why not just believe and marvel in the greatness of God?

[@dianebergsma7898]

Matthew 11:25. Humility. Relationship.

[@Carl-oq5bs]

Because of pride like Pharisees in the times of Jesus. They pretend to know the scripture but deny the power of God.

[@fredrickneqo2317]

Brilliant teaching Daniel. God bless you 🙏

[@boison.a]

Thank you Daniel.. I suggest you put this content into either a monograph or into various journal articles. Could be interesting to see how the academics react.

[@Ruth-Thal]

I just started listening this episode. I am sure there is an offer I can not refuse!

[@doughanson3140]

The word of God is designed to bring hope. Cessationism brings hopelessness. Cessationism is the epitome of toxic negativity.

[@doughanson3140]

@@JH324 cessationist are actually idolaters in that they worship a God who is a figment of their imagination.... I would also say that a cessationist, at least the rabid ones, are demonically oppressed and need deliverance

[@dmitriikilishek]

Learning a lot from this series! Thanks!

[@andrejgrebenc3235]

Church without miracles is not Church anymore.

[@RetroidT]

Love this, I am truly getting an education, good job brother!😃

[@thomasmathew9632]

Thank you for sharing this. Mighty God walking in our midst.

[@JimiSurvivor]

My Grandfather (born in 1888) was strongly influenced by 19th century Rationalism. When his Church asked him to pray for rain he REFUSED TO PRAY. He answered that he had lived in that place for 60 years and it never rained at that time of the year. He regarded the failure to call out to God as a respect for nature God had made.

[@danielwild4552]

Thank you Evangelist Kolenda, I have studied liberal theology at university in Germany and have had to read some Works from Harnak. Thank you for going deeper into these things! I love how you are really opposing the general perception and maybe even theological standard, that charismatic Pentecostalism is not educated and not so scientific and educated, so I really enjoy your teachings! Even everything you taught at Bootcamp! Thank you!

[@DanielKolenda]

Thanks Daniel 🙏

[@brandonheckler5573]

Thank you for the research and for clearly laying out the source of cessationist thought. Interestingly, Warfield trusts the "credit of the testimony" as the underpinnings for cessationist thought but refuses to believe any testimony of the miraculous.

[@DanielKolenda]

So true!

[@humbl5759]

This series has been sooo good I need give an offering (for honor not bc the message isn’t free). I’ve learned more in this series than in my 4 years of humanities classes in high school which is a huge btw.

[@DanielKolenda]

So glad it’s a blessing! Thanks for the encouragement 🙏

[@RiverLife-Ministries]

Amazing content

[@DanielKolenda]

Thank you 🙏

[@davidrobinson8949]

Hi all . I’ve really enjoyed this series on cessationism, it’s given me a lot to think about . My walk as a Christian started about 3 years ago and has been consumed by the teachings of John MacArthur, I have to be honest the last 3 years have brought me no joy, now I’m starting to see the stories of the power of an active God at work it’s awaking my soul. I have one question that won’t leave me alone , can anyone help ? Why doesn’t God heal people with Down syndrome, serious mental handicap conditions, motor neurones or give people back missing limbs ? .

[@ericedwards8902]

There's no proof that He doesn't andI believe He does. Don’t fall into the negative inference fallacy (since I don't see it, it didn't happen) or assuming that God is going to heal everyone in a given population cohort. God is sovereign, meaning He dispenses these miracles as He sees fit. Just continue to seek truth and know that God still works!

[@davidrobinson8949]

Thanks Eric , good food for thought , I appreciate your comments !! 👍🏻

[@cathybey1253]

Well said!

[@No1believer]

This is excellent. You did a good job evaluating cessationism, and the chart you provided is an accurate depiction (coming from a former cessationist). I've been saying virtually the same thing regarding Cessationism being birthed by deism. The frightening thing is that cessationists are totally blinded by how their perspective tangibly affects the mission and local operations of the church. This is one of the fundamental reasons why the Western Church has suffered from stagnation and decline over the last century, if not longer. How can you expect to get New Testament results when critical doctrines and practices embedded in The Great Commission and the life of the local church have been not only disregarded but considered obsolete? God bless you, brother, and hopefully, more people will view this video (only 5,700 views as of today, 5-16-24).

[@J_pizzle]

Paul Washer has always been my favorite reformed preacher. Even though I dont agree with his conclusion on the matter, Im glad to see he held a clear conscious and didnt bend to the pressure of his peers on this topic. The gifts HAVE NOT CEASED!!

[@Carl-oq5bs]

Thank you for this

[@4jesus1981]

In 2016 I contracted hepatitis C. It was even my fault because I was using needles I cried and cried to the Lord and begged for healing. I went to a Revival not long after that and a woman came and told me I was healed after I was leaving an alter call. I went back to the doctors and they said that I did not have Hepatitis C anymore I even took my mother in because I was so sure they were going to tell me I didn't have it anymore. I brought my mother along which is also a Pastor. She heard the doctors. I have documented medical proof that I had it and now I don't. This is only one of several times I know I've been healed. Praise the Lord

[@troywagner7551]

I remember reading from a book by J Vernon McGee in which he vehemently defended biblical miracles ( those of Christ especially) and within a few chapters denies modern day miracles in much the same way as described here.

[@DanielKolenda]

Yes. That is standard fare in cessationist circles unfortunately.

[@forrestio76]

Really appreciate these videos. Cessationism is heresy.

[@greentree14]

I just wonder if the ever changing world we're living in will in itself force Christians to either line up on the side of walking by faith in the miraculous power of God, or totally falling away. The Bible says there will perilous times, men's hearts failing them for fear..we're getting a little glimpse of that already. As things get worse, we will either walk by faith and in the miraculous power of God, or we will not walk at all.

[@renaepost5220]

I love listening to your podcast and the history combined with theological meat. I would love if you did something like this on inner healing - what are your thoughts on it? Is it aligned with the gospel or adding something to it?

[@DanielKolenda]

That’s a great suggestion l. I’ll add it to my list ☺️

[@zlatirashev1851]

I'm coming from Eastern Europe . I have been living in the States for a year. I would like to hear from you about "inner healing" I have been in ministry for 15 years and had not heard of this before I moved here . I have been trying to find reliable information for the last year but there is so much controversy on this topic . I have been following your ministry for many years and would love to hear your opinion on this topic . Thank you !

[@AMostVehementFlame]

@31:08 "But here's what I do-do." Yes. Yes, Paul.. haha!

[@billbraskey5407]

How can we experience peace that surpasses comprehension if we must first rationally understand it? The fact is that the Cessationist cannot follow a big “F” Faith if faith as defined in Hebrews 11:1 isn’t a part of the practice. One is left only with powerless religion (rules without relationship). If God must fit in the box that sits on your shoulders, then you have dramatically limited His ability to work in your life. Entrance into the Kingdom comes with the faith of a child not the intellect of the rational thinker.

[@sharonwhiteley6510]

Are we supposed to totally ignore: 1 Corinthians, Chapter 12; Ephesians Chapter 4 and Romans Chapter 12 just because they believe that since JESUS and His Disciples are dead, so are the spiritual gifts? Do they believe in the power of prayer or is prayer just said to open and close their lukewarm services?

[@ThembaMaselane]

Can you take time to respond the concerns of some of us who have seen miracles but are disturbed by the extreme and the bizarre that seem to be the norm in most televised healing services.

[@puffythecampfireplayer6143]

I see deism and Calvinism as similar, in that; A deist would believe God created the world, gave it a spin, and just walked away. The Calvinist believes God planned every detail sovereignly exactly how he wanted and then he gave the world a spin and just watches it unravel.

[@timostrander2091]

Daniel, great word. Have you either addressed yourself or know if it could be a subject to discuss tongues from Paul’s 1st letter to the Corinthians, ch 14? Specifically I see it relating to tongues as the heavenly language vs cessationist’s argument that relegates it to a “known” language from Acts 2 - which presupposes man’s knowledge. In Chapter 14:10-11 (NKJV), Paul uses two Greek words - significance/aphonos and meaning/dynamis. The distinctions are subtle but b/w the practice of tongues as speaking mysteries to God (dynamis, vs 11) vs human lingual comprehension (aphonos, vs 10). Translating dynamis to = “meaning” - when almost every other NT usage it = power - is a “colouring” of the integrity of the gospel text. Therefore, it is in the knowing of the “power/ability” behind the language (Holy Spirit) that is the key. Any thoughts?

[@DanielKolenda]

See if this answers your questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ3ThYSqq7VjfLcsi=o6QL0mD17lKBl1n3

[@3-5-9-61]

With the differing types of tongues for different reasons, I need the one that downloads the software updates; the power, lol. The supernatural electric arc that connects Adam's finger to God's in the Sistine Chapel is a picture God gave me to help "connect the supernatural dots" lol. Where do we draw power. How? Prayer. Praying in the Spirit. Scripture. Waiting in stillness. And, lets be honest, we must be willing participants much of the time, "Laboring to enter His rest," agreed? I often sit and speak one word at a time because I can get so distracted by everything all around. ADHD world. And then, a Word, one word, just one, will be spoken/downloaded from the Spirit and somehow upnpack itself over the next days or weeks, like Jerimiah being told to look and contemplate the meaning as God continues to explain through life all around us. Astonishing. Night before last was, "Sendiri." Translate from Indonesian. But it has been saying A LOT for my life, still and alone with God, as it gets unpacked. And then, there are those times in perfect stillness like waking up, when the Words coming pouring out, but honestly, I need to focus and utter what I hear in Spirit most of the time, one word, or two at a time. He's not in any rush. 😂 I recently asked Him if I could just mumble under my breath. Answer: "Pray in secret." lol! I understand more now. Being still, waiting and listening, but how often do we really do that? The first translatable words I heard dripped repeatedly and slowly over weeks: "Oh shalah Roh sabachthani." A dream was given along with the words that connected my heart to it all. "Oh blessed rest of the Spirit, do not forsake me." And then Bingo, it dawned on me in such amazing reality: Because Jesus was forsaken, I don't have to be. God is so incredibly gracious. I know without Him, I would walk myself straight into Hell and fight for a front row seat.

[@miriambartley6622]

My husband aclaims that Pentecostals are all about experience with shoddy theology. This series blows that opinion out of the water.

[@truptinavalkar5991]

Press the lord

[@johnmoore3521]

I wonder what a Calvinest and an Atheist sitting down in conversation would talk about? The Calvinest would not give the Atheist any evidence of God,and when the Calvinest teaches their doctrine,saying God gave his Son,but ultimately will randomly decide who go's to hell,I would think the Atheist would think our lord God provides no hope and is cruel.

[@victor77281488]

Now make a video on the heresy of the health and wealth gospel the new apostolic reformation amen the word of faith movement….. oh wait those are not cessationist movements…..

[@3-5-9-61]

"Each day will have enough trouble of it's own." lol

[@jarednel]

I love love LOVED this video. Excellent research, well articulated, great storytelling, and powerful commentary. 💯💛✝️🔥 But please stop the silly meme clips peppered throughout. It doesn't work on this channel. It's quite distracting and feels corny and childish for this type of content. 🚫 Otherwise, amazing stuff. Blessings! 👑

[@tonyxx4514]

44:12 ok I want to know who made this 😂😂

[@stephenpatel4623]

Christian faith starts with the Power of Resurrection and finishes with the Power of Resurrection .

[@3-5-9-61]

One of my roommates in boarding school was Rob Masters, who's father was killed by cannibals in Irian Jaya. His mother stayed, with all the children!! 🤯 That area of Irian Jaya eventually saw salvation on a large scale. Unfortunately, legalism and self-righteousness crept in and Irian Jaya is in need of revival like a majority of the Body of Christ. I am not judging. Been there, done that. Without fully understanding how the Holy Spirit dwells in us to fulfill Isaiah 61 with God and his spiritual gifts living in us, Christians are not equipped to be God's supernatural light and power for those in need. Dare I say, from experience, we are almost half dead if we do not walk in purity and choose to be God's light every day because Jesus' Baptism is not one-and-done, it is moment-by-moment according to the Word. We need a greater understanding. Not just the five-fold ministers, but the entire Body of Christ, or revival will never spread like the Bible says it will to ALL mankind. Is this true or false? We all have God 3-in-1 living in us if we have accepted Jesus as our Savior. We do not own God or any of his gifts. He owns us and we act upon his promptings when we learn to hear him clearly. God's 5 ministering gifts and 9 spiritual gifts are living in us to be activated with God's help and understanding. The gift of teaching is needed for every believer, not just pressing on someone's head, hoping to hear tongues, and hoping God will take over, alone. Our free will must be fully engaged with education and understanding how to hear God tell us what to do and when. --- On another note, I wonder how many marriages end as a result of postpartum depression followed by menopause, compounded by mid-life crisis? Been through that myself from 2002 through 2023. Hell on earth. Lesson learned: Some issues are not spiritual or character. They are biologically driven and need God's grace to overcome the consequences brought about by not knowing how to deal with biology manifesting itself in crazy-making. Yes, on both parts. Thank God, he is a solemn vow. Grace. --- Does God prefer the heart of the Pharisee or the tax collector in Luke 8: 9-14? Everyone prays for healing or a miracle at some point in life, lol. Funny, how the unforgivable sin is tied to blaspheming (the work of) the Holy Spirit.

[@amyhartwig4033]

Warfield sounds like a wolf in sheep skins

[@chrismackey475]

Good ending. The fact that matter exists demands the existence of God. The appearance of matter from that that is unseen can't be simulated in a scientific lab or explained naturally.

[@johnmoore3521]

Gravity is a law,unless you are in a tornado . Natural law can be circumvented by the presence of an anomalous event.

[@noelenliva2670]

27:30 - Calvinism is extremely close to Deism because according to calvinism, everything has been predetermined before the foundations of the world. There is no reason for the Calvinist God to do anything actively in this world right now

[@timostrander2091]

Observational Cess’s with whom I converse seem to equivocate the distinction of miracles ongoing today as Gods will vs man’s will. As if the effect of a miracle is a result of the man’s “effectual” faith causing the miracle, at will. I’m not sure what their understanding of “faith” is, but it certainly is not the biblical kind. I like what Derek Prince said about “theology” literally translates to “Gods Word” (Theo-Logos). Theology today is full of doctrines of man, dare I say, demons…

[@user-gp4pu4tu6q]

阿門🎉

[@johnmoore3521]

You can base faith in Christ simply by the prophecy in the Old Testament. The odds are impossible for a man to fulfill the major prophecies in the Old Testament. All we need do is read psalms to see the cruel death our Lord suffered.

[@johnmoore3521]

God's Word is alive,Holy, and is Christ. John chapter one verse one. God is outside of His creation and unlimited by man's opinions. How would God give us the knowledge of His nature the events of creation,and the Gospel if His Word is not Spirit,God is a Spirit,we must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Without the Word man would be hedionest running naked pointing at the sky. God's Word is our foundation of knowledge about our relationship with God. God's Word brings man unto Salvation. We cannot be in Idolatry by basing our knowledge on God's Word it is impossible unless you study another Gosple brought by corrupt people.

[@joanandrew4954]

They can't even be Christians, then if they don't believe Jesus rose from the dead.

[@romans828.]

Washer is too full of himself. The main thing is this. He does not do the things Jesus said ALL belivers WOULD do. In fact he is a false teacher. A form of Godliness. And we know what waits those guys.

[@FinalEvangelist]

Name one person with the real spiritual gift of healing today???

[@DanielKolenda]

Define “the real spiritual gift of healing”

[@3-5-9-61]

Jesus