I love how this video brought out all of the welders, injection molders, and Spaniards out of the wood work all at once.
@chromenewt4 жыл бұрын
And Aliens fans
@connergibson94534 жыл бұрын
Ian: *clearly states that the crappy welds are his and not a failure on HMG* Every fifth comment: "Those welds are terrible on the HMG"
@nolansykinsley37344 жыл бұрын
I really was going to leave a comment on those welds but waited, glad I didn't.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
Well, they *are* terrible. They're also not HMGs fault.
@mrmikesgunrack4 жыл бұрын
I want to fix his welds. As a welder they are bothering me on an emotional level.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
@@mrmikesgunrack I haven't done any welding in 22 years, and they bother me. I can't imagine how much they must bother a currently working welder!
@JimYeats4 жыл бұрын
MR MIKES GUNRACK Agreed. It physically makes it difficult to watch this video.
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
To be absolutely precise, the "T" designation in the fire selector stands for "Tiro a tiro" (lit. "shot by shot") or semi-auto.
@samholdsworth39574 жыл бұрын
👍
@appalachianexploration57144 жыл бұрын
Its an f
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
@@appalachianexploration5714 In one of the models. Jump to 01:09 and you will see what I mean.
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
@@badgermcbadger1968 ROFL. Of course! it is a fully semi automatic assault rifled weaponized killmurdergun with attachment points for tactical chainsaws, after all. I know because I saw it on CNN.
@werewally31564 жыл бұрын
Fuego?
@TheRogueWolf4 жыл бұрын
Hill & Mac: "Authenticity is our watchword!" MarColMar: "We can rebuild it. We have the technology."
@AndrewAMartin4 жыл бұрын
Hearing the theme from "The Six Million Dollar Man" in my head now... Reminds me of the difference between the "It's only original once/keep the patina" crowd and the full concourse/no bolt untouched restoration crowds in the automotive world...
@TheCell-vx3pk5 ай бұрын
Reminds me of "my mechanics": "I make a new one"
@notnaklaf4 жыл бұрын
Those perfectly round dimples on the handguard are probably marks from the ejector pins in the injection mould, not sprue marks. The single mark on the other side is the injection gate
@johnib59054 жыл бұрын
Manufacturing is so darn cool, I'd been wondering what those dimples were on other molded parts.
@DoctyrEvil4 жыл бұрын
They definitely are. Amazing they went to all the trouble to duplicate the hot tip injection and ejector locations. Dedication: these folks got it.
@midjetman5able4 жыл бұрын
Working in injection molding myself, I'm glad someone made this comment before I did. I would have made a more long winded explanation, which I doubt anyone would read
@johnib59054 жыл бұрын
@@midjetman5able As a second year engineering student, i'd love a long version.
@ericgoldman75334 жыл бұрын
I was going to make this comment had it not already been made.
@DJFK7774 жыл бұрын
MarColMar sounds like an abbreviation for Martian Colonial Marines
@wierdalien14 жыл бұрын
Or the british version Marines, Colonial Martian.
@jaimgom4 жыл бұрын
In Spanish it would be "Marines Coloniales Marcianos", so it still would make sense.
@tugboatyan4 жыл бұрын
Who's going to feast on Earth's sky and drink their rivers dry? MMC! Who's going to stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust? MMC! Till the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons, who are we? MMC!
@windwalker57654 жыл бұрын
Especially since the gun was numbered LV-00426.
@moonrazk4 жыл бұрын
@@tugboatyan Is the gravity of a real planet too much for you? Frickin dusters.
@kutamsterdam4 жыл бұрын
To me the American gun laws are mind boggling ... import rifle, destroy receivers and barrels, build up rifle with new receivers and barrels😣 ... where is the logic in that??! ... old machine guns/pistols before a certain date are allowed and after that date they are banned because ... dangerous 😶and i can go on in aw like that forever!... love the vids Ian, thanks.
@wolfehoffmann26974 жыл бұрын
You've got that a little bit backwards. They're destroyed outside the US at the country of export, then imported and rebuilt. And yes, it's absolutely beyond asinine.
@DerekIcelord4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the US has some of the dumbest firearm import laws in the world. Most other places that I'm aware of, while they have draconian restrictions on what firearms you're allowed to possess, if you can legally have it, you can have it imported. The US adds a bunch of extra shit, mixing the worst of gun control and trade protectionism laws together.
@MitchellCH4 жыл бұрын
Pitt Brad that is the type of garbage that ensues when anyone and everyone gets a vote and not just people who are intellectually qualified to make decisions such as any kind of law ever.
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
Awwww you were expecting any sense in American gun control laws. You are adorable, my sweet summer child...
@Hansengineering4 жыл бұрын
The intent was to make it so onerous, the firearms would not be imported at all. The law makers weren't thinking "These specific parts are dangerous and should be destroyed."
@Mamiya6454 жыл бұрын
Imagine taking one of these to the range, letting someone try a few shots, you raise your hand in panic and time slows down as the foreign made mag gets slid in by the fellow who didn't know better and BAM, black helicopters and black vans all over the joint
@philips.55634 жыл бұрын
And just like that I had a court-appointed dog. I hope they do ok.
@Clay36134 жыл бұрын
Imagine being this paranoid.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
Why do you have a foreign made magazine (replacing a metal floorplate is trivial, just to get one made-in-USA part) in the first place? *It's YOUR gun!*
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
@@shakingmyhead7707 it was largely to shut down importation of semi-auto rifles.
@brasstard7.6274 жыл бұрын
Normal people dont have to follow 922r. Its for companies that build and import firearms and without 922r nothing cool would be imported or built because of Daddy Bush and his illegal Sporting Clause import dictate. Its a legal way around a so called Assault Weapons import ban
@WardenWolf4 жыл бұрын
I think Marcolmar overall did a better job. Marcolmar also offers the rifles with a Picatinny rail on top, which makes them a better choice for modern shooters. Both manufacturers make them with AR15 magazine compatibility.
@Picolinni4 жыл бұрын
WardenWolf now if only it could get an automatic bolt hold open...
@Robert5hw4 жыл бұрын
To me this felt like "MarColMar did this better" for everything
@vincentkermorgant4 жыл бұрын
I think they did not play in the same league to start with
@Seth98094 жыл бұрын
Likely costs 2-3K thou.
@hambrabai12564 жыл бұрын
@@Seth9809 An MCM Cetme-L is about 1249 for the standard model, and 1299 for the railed model. I believe the HMG guns were/are something like 999.
@Seth98094 жыл бұрын
@@hambrabai1256 Oh really? Huh, pretty good. If only they had better irons and could get down to PTR prices.
@mt10fullsend784 жыл бұрын
Neat to see this! We made the molds for MarColMar's furniture.
@MitchellCH4 жыл бұрын
Oh ya that company that never finished the sturmgewehr they said they would make.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@zacharyrollick61694 жыл бұрын
Disappointed!
@Gorgondantess4 жыл бұрын
IIRC they were (allegedly) screwed by a critical subcontractor and are in the process of suing them for millions over it.
@TheDandyMann4 жыл бұрын
@@Gorgondantess what was the subcontractor supposed to be producing for them?
@darksu69474 жыл бұрын
@@TheDandyMann Cookies 🍪
@thelemon00014 жыл бұрын
Imagine a Build-a-Bear shop, but for guns.
@Hansengineering4 жыл бұрын
Those kinda existed, and were found to be *super* jail-timey. I forget which 80% company it was, but they would let you come into their factory, give you a disk with the machining program on it, instruct you in how to set up their CNC machine, then let you push the button to finish the receiver. The ATF was very displeased.
@Hansengineering4 жыл бұрын
@Graf von Losinj there is no deep state.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
AK guys do it all the time, usually with pre-cut receiver flats that the buyer just has to bend into shape and heat treat. It's a little harder for ARs, unless you're not buying an 80% lower and just assembling the gun in the shop.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
@@Hansengineering when isn't the ATF extremely displeased, though? 😜
@georgewhitworth97429 ай бұрын
@@ScottKenny1978When they get the Bradley? Lol
@migueltraviesa29874 жыл бұрын
It was my rifle during my military service in Spain, back in 1994. It was pretty accurate and smooth to shoot plus ergonomic, but the magazines were just rubish, it got rusty quite easily and disasamble was complicated because of the fire selector
@migueltraviesa29874 жыл бұрын
By the way, CETME stands for Centro de Estudios Técnicos de Materiales Especiales ( Center for Thecnical Studies of Special. Materials) and L ( ligero) stands for “light “ in oppsite to the former C model, chambered in .308 NATO ( CETME C it is the model in wich german G3 is based on)
@dragonsword73704 жыл бұрын
Was there just all over rusting or was it sectioned to a specific area that required a constant oiling instead?
@migueltraviesa29874 жыл бұрын
DragonSword it was in the metal that covered the cannon, at the end of the rifle. In fact it was nasty but not a serius problem, as it does not affect neither the cannon itself nor the bolt
@martingardener904 жыл бұрын
Most welders go for the "Stack of Dimes" finish, Ian goes for the "Blob of Chewing Gum" approach! 😂
@MichaelMacGyver4 жыл бұрын
Wait...your gun's serial number is LV-426, the same as the planet in Alien/Aliens! Was that intentional???
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
It was not an accident. :)
@YCCCm74 жыл бұрын
I keep hearing "Marky Mark". What a funky bunch of differences.
@thelegendaryklobb28794 жыл бұрын
"Markle Mar"
@JPR3D4 жыл бұрын
This is a very cool video covering something probably not a lot of people realize about domestic repro /kit guns, the actual manufacturing and considerations of which imported parts to use and which to make new.
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be a CETME L-related video if we didn't clarify once again that the original design and early production models were quite OK (and are still in service in LE organizations) but stupid decisions taken by bean counters, altered specifications and poor quality control led to the mass production disaster for which both CETME L and AMELI are sadly (in)famous. A terrible way to soil the magnificent reputation obtained with the CETME C or the futuristic CETME 7.92x41 cartridge (the one with aluminum core).
@mrpirate61874 жыл бұрын
All this gun needs is a railed handguard
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
@@mrpirate6187 Nothing a 3D printer can't solve.
@mrpirate61874 жыл бұрын
Miguel Domínguez and maybe a different stock because it kinda looks dated. But yeah.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
What was/is wrong with the AMELI?
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
@@ScottKenny1978 Basically a portable, lightweight 5.56 MG3, it was a fantastic design that caught the interest of the British Military after trials conducted with the prototypes exceeded all expectations. Then, exactly as with the CETME L, the specs for mass production were changed resulting in a weapon system that would malfunction every other second. The British returned their purchase in disgust.
@nodice18814 жыл бұрын
That HMG has a serial of LV-426, Some real ACM vibes going on here
@nodice18814 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealColBosch that works too dude idc lmao
@americanfreikorps74134 жыл бұрын
Serial Number - LV-426.....I see what you did there.
@gotpwnednubs894 жыл бұрын
Imagine accidently putting in the wrong magazine and committing a felony
@JanTuts4 жыл бұрын
An _administrative_ felony even, the worst kind! /s
@Matt_The_Hugenot4 жыл бұрын
Imagine buying some unmarked replacement part and installing it only to find out you've committed a felony
@bigmike-4 жыл бұрын
@@Matt_The_Hugenot Realistically, 922r only exists as an "added" thing for when you're already being looked at for stuff the government mind not necessarily like in the first place; it's essentially there as a tool to punish people worse if the governments decides it wants to. That being said... 922r, like most gun regulations in the US, is fucking dumb and it deeply saddens me that it exists at all.
@hobofactory4 жыл бұрын
Big Mike additionally, as Ian mentioned briefly, there’s a protectionist reason behind it... in that it stifles foreign competition against domestic manufacturers.
@Clay36134 жыл бұрын
@@hobofactory Exactly, so many people who are aggressively against any kind of gun laws seem to fail to actually read the law without some sort of lobby or opposing politician giving them a hysterics laden description.
@luger7004 жыл бұрын
I would love more videos like this where you compare and discuss military arms (clones) that are available on the US civilian market. I have a Marcolmar CETME L and I love it.
@mrgazpacho33164 жыл бұрын
Join us next time where Ian has to copy and paste "I am not a welder." 25 times for those who commented before watching the whole video 😂
@545x39mm4 жыл бұрын
I picked up a MarColMar CETME L on sale and had a good coupon from Brownells last year. Quite happy with it, I looked at the HMG but since the prices were similar decided to go with the MarColMar because for one I got the version with rail atop for mounting an optic and the better fit and finish overall from using robotic welding and new made furniture. So far quite happy with it, has been a real treat to shoot and despite what the manual recommends about only feeding it 62 gr "green tip" for best function, it happily eats anything I feed it. It has been a little choosy about magazines, so I picked up a stack of Okay Industries mags specifically for it, aside from that one issue (and it really isn't that huge a deal) it has been a surprisingly accurate and reliable rifle, a shame the Spanish government decided to cut corners in production and give it the bad rap it ended up with. I know someone who picked up one of the HMG made ones and has had similar experience. I suppose it is just a matter of what you'd prefer, myself the better fit and finish (and rail on top) were the big factors.
@Ulani1014 жыл бұрын
Being a purist, I'd have chosen the HMG gun with all the evidence of the gun's age and use. However, I'm English, so it doesn't matter which I'd prefer; as I can't legally own either. 😢
@daveb19304 жыл бұрын
Upcoming FW videos confirmed to cover tactical smart missiles, phase-plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, sonic electronic ball breakers, nukes, knives and sharp sticks...
@dragonsword73704 жыл бұрын
Phantasm balls too?
@joseramirez95994 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, you can insert the bolt carrier with the fire control group installed by using your middle finger through the ejection port and depressing the hammer while inserting the bolt carrier. Figured this out when the bolt carrier didn’t want to go in on my Marcolmar.
@lwburks46584 жыл бұрын
I can always turn on a video of yours and fall asleep, it has a soothing bob ross of guns effect
@bored3834 жыл бұрын
the Hill & Mac guns has an 'Alien' serial number . . . was it actually supplied by Weyland-Yutani?
@PsiQ4 жыл бұрын
Filler and Paint make me the welder i aint.. but honestly , those welding spotty thingys on that rifle towards the sights and barrel are just fugly. if you do it nice with some practice it doesnt really take longer than ugly. edit: aha, so you did that welding ;-) here i started wondering ...
@Hermenie4 жыл бұрын
As my boss says, “if you use a grinder to make your welds look nice; you’re not a welder, you’re a grinder.”
@Ugly_German_Truths4 жыл бұрын
@@Hermenie nah you are worried about your final product looking decent.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
@@Ugly_German_Truths says someone who doesn't work around aircraft or race cars. No grinding of the welds allowed, so you need to know how to weld pretty, in addition to weld effectively.
@lizardb86944 жыл бұрын
This video reminded me, that I ve never actually watched the InRangeTV CETME L build party tutorial series, never mind that I will never build one myself. Turns out that Ian and Karl had so much tantalizing... fun building these, also blue latex gloves aesthetics...based. It is still available on Full30 and other places, it is worth googling, if someone wants something interesting to watch to fight covid lockdown boredom. Cheers.
@szabib21444 жыл бұрын
Wow I’ve never seen or heard of this rifle. Thank you for giving information on it really cool.
@charles_wipman4 жыл бұрын
To me the MarColMar one looks better; on the Armada our CETME Ls, LCs & LVs all had S (Seguro = Safe), T (Tiro = Shot [standing for: Single Shot]), R (Rafaga = Burst) & A (Automático = Auto). The S marking was white while the T, R & A markings were red, the 5.56 indication of the caliber was '5'56x45mm NATO' also in white, a friend that was in the Army a couple of years before i went to the Royal Spanish Marine Infantry also had CETME-Ls with burst fire too, but his CETME-L had that three things flash hider, our ones in the Armada had a "bird cage" flash hider, that thing that you'd pointed out that was left open?, on our CETME Ls, LCs & the LVs was closed too; some of the CETME Ls pistol grip were "weird" and felt weird, some were heavier than others and a bit more bulky, i didn't noticed it by looking at 'em at a begining, but handling other guys CETME Ls and the LCs on the guards and vessel assault maniouvers you felt it pretty well; to try to fix the recovery & compesator springs issue... we had to sneak empty 9mm cases to put in the stock againist the springs (those cheap bastards made us gatter every single damn empty case [ours or not] on the firing range like chickens picking corn), some times it worked... others didn't. One common practice in my company was identify between ourselves who had the best shooting (the most reliable) CETMEs and then by night we took theirs out of the gun rack, dissasembly it and replace our springs with theirs, kinda felt like the roman legion... they'd incentivated this kind of practices as a way to practice our "ninja skills for the combat" and also to aboid to be arrested for "suspected leak of caring of the weapon", was fun and kept you awake.
@PlayerSalt4 жыл бұрын
Never really heard of this company but what a lot of loving detail they put into the guns ,whatever they go for i would say its worth
@showtime26294 жыл бұрын
Practically speaking, what would be the likelihood of ever getting in trouble for 922r compliance for modifying a gun after the fact? I'd be surprised if a single person had ever gotten in trouble for it. All the parts are so esoteric to be virtually indistinguishable. How many people have modified guns and ended up getting rid of them and the user has no idea about any of these issues. How would someone know they could never use a certain type of magazine or they would be out if compliance?
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
Practically speaking? Zero. But it is the law, and it behooves one to know it.
@Vote4Drizzt4 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons and it behooves public facing speakers and/or manufacturers to be conspicuously compliant lest someone decide to make them the first
@Hansengineering4 жыл бұрын
If you have a firearm you've made that is not in compliance, and for some reason you've used that gun in a conspicuous way, such as defending your life in an entirely justified manner, you could be found out, and become a felon. It isn't worth it to fuck around.
@Konraden4 жыл бұрын
law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/169/957/2424351/ Victor Reid. His FFL was rescinded in 1993 following violation of five laws, the most serious of which was apparently attaching bayonets to SKS rifles (922r violation) and not signing 4473s correctly--and somehow _not_ the sale of handguns to people under the age of 21 or selling arms outside of the FFL's licensed state.
@showtime26294 жыл бұрын
@@Konraden interesting. I'm not surprised some people might have been charged with it in doing something else. I specifically wonder about if someone was to make their personal gun non 922r compliant. How would they even know?
@badcallsign42044 жыл бұрын
I appreciate hearing him say that the ten US parts section R of 922 is complicated and stupid. I once did an SL8-G36 conversion. It makes me feel better.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was highly annoying for my PSL. Though most of the conversion work was purely to make it more usable for me. Needed a better trigger so put in a TAPCo G2, and the original stock was way too short so gave it a Rhineland Arms tiger maple stock.
@ADITADDICTS4 жыл бұрын
I still have heartburn from that garlic chili stuff he drank the other day.
@TheMCD19894 жыл бұрын
I forget what he called it, but I live way up north and that stuff is awesome in the winter when it's negative whatever outside. Warms you right up, we call it fire cider. Good for fighting head colds too, there is no way to drink it without shuddering though.
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
You too? I almost fainted when he described what he was about to drink.
@ADITADDICTS4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMCD1989 That stuff looked like it could fight off the Covid!
@ADITADDICTS4 жыл бұрын
@@miguelencanarias I thought he was going to marinate something with it. Lol
@axelpatrickb.pingol32284 жыл бұрын
I remember that drink is popular in the Caribbean being the drink of choice of the Baron Samedi, Lord of the Underworld
@lexedmonds90754 жыл бұрын
I feel I should mention here that The Marcolmar version is also $350-$400 (USD) more expensive than the HMG version, as of their official price listings on the manufacturers website as of 8/12/2020.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that it's worth it, but that's just me.
@sethy51364 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the design of the cetme charging handle. Very interesting it folds down with that nice little paddle to grab and charge the gun
@Falconguygaming4 жыл бұрын
7:50 I would have to disagree that those are sprue marks, I would believe that those are the ejector pin marks.
@kcstott3 жыл бұрын
the twin round marks are ejector pins. the single sprue mark is the actual hot runner gate sprue
@nuggs4snuggs5163 жыл бұрын
You don't NEED to remove the fire control group, but your only other option is to reach into the chamber and depress the hammer with your finger or a screwdriver until you can get the bolt over it.
@OddBike4 жыл бұрын
Love your work Ian! Keep it up! One small thing: a lot of your recent videos have had noticeable sibilance in the audio, you should check your audio equipment... Maybe add a treble reduction in post.
@JuicyCubes4 жыл бұрын
Feel free to let me know I'm wrong, but I believe the 2 divots you showed on the hand guard (7:39) are witness marks from the pins used to push the product out of the mold and not sprue marks. I don't have any experience with these firearms, but I do have some with injection molding. Not trying to call you out just provide extra info.
@JuicyCubes4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I love all the information about guns and manufacturing I've never heard about.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DoRC4 жыл бұрын
Those circles in the handgrip are actually mold ejector pin marks not sprue marks.
@DeepPastry4 жыл бұрын
The handguards were most likely molded by themselves; maybe a multi-mold, but not directly connected. So the single puckered dot on one side looks to be the injection site for the PPE (Nylon-6 for the new MarColMar), while those two round spots look like the ejection pin locations. EDIT: I'd stick with the Nylon-6, sure PPE is better than ABS, which is better than Bakelite; Nylon-6 would be at the top of this plastics stack.
@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching13444 жыл бұрын
Actually, matching the marks on the Injected Molded Plastic simplifies the design of the new mold. You know if you copy the way the old mold was made that it will work.
@randywatson83474 жыл бұрын
I slowly starting to like these rifles, especially the MarColmar one.
@jaspercorbyn86784 жыл бұрын
Ian, whether its MIG, TIG or oxy that welding is (as you manfully mention) truly sub par coming from an engineer! Seriously though, bugger the nit picking- Im sure its solid and safe or a) you wouldnt be using the gat and b) HMG wouldnt have let it out the door. Another cool bit of content, thanks mate.
@knotbumper4 жыл бұрын
I forget how long I have been watching you, I had/have no idea how many "forgotten weapons" there are out there. By now, I would have thought that you would be exploring slingshots. Well Done!!
@jonokiller4 жыл бұрын
For anyone saying those welds are terrible, PLEASE let us all enjoy your amazing gunsmithing welds!
@VaNDaIUKR4 жыл бұрын
Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
@Eric M Yeah. It was mostly used in reference to the CETME C model, but it applies. Imagine a rifle used and cleaned by conscript recruits during a 1-year (or less) mandatory military service, in a country where 99.8% of recruits haven't seen a firearm in their lives and there is no gun culture at all, and you can imagine the "pristine" state in which they were kept, military or not military.
@edgarmaestre66224 жыл бұрын
Muy buena 👍
@zepetv5894 жыл бұрын
@@miguelencanarias Kinda goes to show how much better the G3 is, jump the border over the portugal and you have a similar situation with culture and conscription (until quite recently), never heard anyone complain about the G3, which is still the de-facto service rifle to this day (officially the SCAR-L took over, not very many delivered yet though).
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
@@zepetv589 Dude, what are you talking about? Internally they are almost exactly the same. Most of the parts are not interchangeable, but the design is basically identical every step of the way. the G3 is no better or worse than the CETME C. Ok, maybe the iron sights are more sophisticated, but that's about it. Also, nobody actually complained about the CETME C, a robust, reliable and asskicking rifle much beloved by everyone who used it. The pun about the dirt is just military humor, kinda like MRE standing for Meals Rejected by Ethiopians.
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
@@miguelencanarias to be honest, the first generation of MREs were pretty nasty. I wonder how many cans of brake cleaner it took to get all the gunk out of those parts kits?
@densealloy4 жыл бұрын
3:15 isnt there flared piece just a brass deflector? It looks like that would be the function.
@bulkhungry4 жыл бұрын
Actually it's a bottle opener / back scratcher .
@RCZM644 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is.
@loupiscanis94494 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian .
@visje19964 жыл бұрын
The nibs pointed out at 7:25 look like sprue marks, the circles at 7:45 more like ejector pin marks, where a metal piston pushes the part out of the mold
@hendriktonisson29154 жыл бұрын
The original Cetme L had problem with M-16 STANAG magazines wich didn`t quite work in the gun. So the gun used it`s own proprietary magazines. Is this problem fixed in these versions?
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
Short version, yes.
@hambrabai12564 жыл бұрын
I believe on the MCM guns they opened up the magwell ever so slightly and a few other tweaks were made so it will function properly with a USGI aluminum magazine. However, it will not accept Pmags or really any other type of polymer magazine. Even a few OK Industries 20rd magazines have issues due to some prominent spot welds on the magazines, and if you're feeling particularily stupid you can ram a Lancer magazine into an MCM and get it horrendously stuck in the gun. A friend of mine learned that the hard way on my Cetme-L.
@yappojilla4 жыл бұрын
those arent round sprue marks @7:41, they are ejector pin marks, those pins kick the part out of the mold when its done cooling.
@orcwordlaugh13604 жыл бұрын
To Ian's final comment of the video. That law doesn't just restrict sale but what a private citizen does with the gun? What possible justification could there be for stopping someone from buying both guns and combining the parts whatever way they want?
@cargo_vroom97294 жыл бұрын
I can't get over the galaxy brain legislation that not only is a removable box magazine per say part of the gun, but that it's three parts. We can only be thankful it didn't occur to them to define each individual cartridge as a 'part'
@TheCell-vx3pk5 ай бұрын
I'm always fascinated how close and yet different these are to the HK G3 / The CETME A1-E.
@slowbutsure504 Жыл бұрын
I need to get my hands on one of these
@rocpile11414 жыл бұрын
Great video.... thank you Ian!!
@aequintas21314 жыл бұрын
07:40 I'm pretty sure those arent sprue marks they are more likely ejector marks. Big plastic parts like there generally are made using a single cavity producing only 1 copy at a time
@kennenandersen4 жыл бұрын
LV 426 for a serial number. You can't make that up.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
It was not a random choice. :)
@Matt_The_Hugenot4 жыл бұрын
There's a place for both as many purely original parts as possible and remanufactured weapons that actually work. MarColMar look like they've done a great job.
@corybrule47694 жыл бұрын
Lv426 was also the planet from aliens.
@kgames94034 жыл бұрын
922r is dumb but I SORT OF get how it should affect manufacturers but as soon as that gun enters my hands as a private owner it should have no legal authority over my property
@anglofsffrng4 жыл бұрын
Dont feel bad Ian. Your welding looks a hell of alot better than mine.
@luisantolafrancis5194 жыл бұрын
You did not lie when you said your welding was crap.. anyways that build series was great , and you still can dress up those and reweld them much better ,
@jasoncrow76814 жыл бұрын
Yes, like Finnish M62 cammo. Just what I was thinking.
@thesturm86864 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i got mine somewhat on the center, slightly reddish but not much. Also it's a similar thing with which color is true "feldgrau" among others
@ownageeagle4 жыл бұрын
I've been eyeing the MarColMar one for a long time. I probably wouldn't use my reloaded brass on it thought since the roller delayed system mauls it. Would be a nice rifle to shoot some cheap .223 steel case out out of. Just got to wonder if the barrel would hold up to those crappy projectiles.
@jameskazd99514 жыл бұрын
i would love to have either of those rifles.
@codyweaver7064 жыл бұрын
I see that Aliens reference in the serial number, oddly enough I have a Gen 3 Glock 19 with an almost identical serial. 🤣
@SashkaFox4 жыл бұрын
When your serial number is LV-426
@JenkemDungeon4 жыл бұрын
That's it, I'm buying one. Thanks.
@gustavoscottifraga45414 жыл бұрын
That's it, I'm getting me mallet
@sid_the_flying_gun-nut21494 жыл бұрын
How tf did you watch this 3 days ago?
@enricopaolocoronado25114 жыл бұрын
@@sid_the_flying_gun-nut2149 Patreon supporters get to watch videos early
@sid_the_flying_gun-nut21494 жыл бұрын
Oh ok, thank you.
@enricopaolocoronado25114 жыл бұрын
@@sid_the_flying_gun-nut2149 you're welcome
@Shdihxbeidjxbs8 ай бұрын
As someone who has owned both guns, I had so much trouble getting my marcolmar to run that I just gave up and bought an HMG. Haven’t had a problem since. Guess there’s a lot to be said as far as quality control goes.
@larbloc33827 ай бұрын
Serial number LV-00426 on the HMG. This gun is must-have for any fan of the ALIEN movie franchise. Super jealous.
@eduk43874 жыл бұрын
Selector markings. S=Safe. F=Failure to fire
@armr69374 жыл бұрын
It's ridiculous that I'm spanish and can't get one of these (unless I go through countless hoops and pay inordinate amounts of money).
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
I hear you, but I actually feel safer knowing that even criminals have a really difficult time getting their hands on any kind of firearm, not to mention a 5.56 NATO military rifle. Or that the chances of that road rage idiot stepping out of his vehicle having a gun are infinitesimal. I would like to keep it that way, because once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there is not putting it back in. Yep, I like the Spanish way.
@armr69374 жыл бұрын
@@miguelencanarias I like the Swiss way better, but it would take a couple generations to implement here. Plus, I don't think getting a firearm illegally over here is that complicated, I'd imagine as long as you've got the cash and know (well) someone that's done something shady at some point, you're probably set. 5.56 isn't out of anyone's range either, but being so much harder to conceal there's no point.
@miguelencanarias4 жыл бұрын
@@armr6937 Agreed, but as you say, the Swiss gun culture is a wonder that would take generations to make it stick here. Even Americans gaze in amazement at the healthy relationship the Swiss have with their guns and the safety permeating every aspect of it. As for criminals, I'm not saying it is impossible by any stretch of the imagination, but you will agree with me in that the likelihood of being confronted with a gun in Spain is so remote that it is not something worth of consideration. Ok, maybe in big, cosmopolitan cities like Barcelona or Madrid, but that's about it, and the gun itself is likely to be an old piece of shit.
@armr69374 жыл бұрын
@@miguelencanarias True enough.
@bassault4 жыл бұрын
@@miguelencanarias Yes and when the communists finally vote in to take away free speech, the organs will kick down your door for a mean tweet you made 5 years ago and you'll have a really difficult time doing anything about it.
@rimedrihen60544 жыл бұрын
Those rifles had a very poor reputation within the spanish military once it came into service. Specially when compared to the previous CETMEs. The troops used to refer to CETME's initials as "cada esquina tiene mierda escondida", translated as "each corner has sh*t hidden".
@josephthomas83184 жыл бұрын
The guys over at copper custom armament out of Valparaiso Indiana might have a few semi auto cetme L rifles still in stock. Check out their website
@andreinarangel62274 жыл бұрын
Ian if you can do one on the Spanish Army's "AMELI" light machine gun you will move into the pantheon of Internet Gods!!! BTW, it's "S" for "Seguro" (safe).
@dj1NM34 жыл бұрын
I'm slightly surprised that the sear engagement notch location on the hammer wasn't changed slightly so that it is back further (or lower) when cocked, just like it would have been if there was an auto-sear (eliminating the need to remove the trigger-pack to re-install the bolt carrier and bolt). I suppose that would have meant manufacturing new hammers as well, increasing the cost of production and that's why it wasn't done?
@idontwanttoputmyname4034 жыл бұрын
I have to wonder if it would somehow affect locktime? Although the average shooter probably wouldn't notice.
@larrythorn47154 жыл бұрын
This is one of those rifles that I would really love to own, but can't justify the risk. Before the CETME-Ls hit the US market I bought a Vector HK93 clone that couldn't zero on windage due to the bad sight alignment. I sent it back for repairs and it had bad sight alignment to the other side and I barely got it zeroed. Not that it matters, it shoots horrible groups. I bought a POF MP-5 clone with the same problem, barely got it zeroed. Then I bought a Brethren Arms HK93 clone. It has bad sight alignment, I ran out of elevation trying to get it to zero...At least it shoots decent groups... No more roller lock clones for me, they're cursed. It's like an AR-15 except heavier, less reliable, bulkier, harder to work on or repair, harder to get parts for, and twice as expensive.
@diegoferreiro94784 жыл бұрын
Maybe the issue is on the clones rather than the roller lock system.
@larrythorn47154 жыл бұрын
@@diegoferreiro9478 If you go with the original ones then you still have all of the problems I listed but now it's four times as expensive instead of twice. to be fair the problem isn't really with the roller lock system. It could be very reliable and accurate the problem is that almost all of the companies that were qualified to make those guns have stopped making them
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
@@larrythorn4715 try PTR. HK is pissed at them because PTR is making better HKs than HK is. PTR apparently bought all HKs old tooling when HK upgraded.
@larrythorn47154 жыл бұрын
@@ScottKenny1978 its the one roller lock rifle I would consider in the future. However I understand that POF uses HK tooling and they still made a kinda meh product. Clearly having the know-how but not the tooling doesn't work (Vector, Brethren), having the tooling but not the know-how doesn't work (POF, MKE), and if you don't have either we just call you Century or Special Weapons.
@americanrepair4 жыл бұрын
Ian, next time you are in Vegas you have an open invite to come over to my shop and I'll teach you how to TIG weld.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, but I know my limitations.
@americanrepair4 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons If you can shoot left and right handed, I promise I can teach you how to weld.
@rodgerjohnson33754 жыл бұрын
It was my impression Hill & Mac were not doing well.
@alexandruianu84324 жыл бұрын
They're in a court case with a supplier for failing to deliver for the Stg project (which sucks for all involved), but these builds are from before that. They've also provided build kits after those 100 builds were done.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
Their StG project certainly isn't doing well.
@axelpatrickb.pingol32284 жыл бұрын
@@alexandruianu8432 Kind of ironic when the gun in question was originally made out of crap metal and bits of wood out of sheer desperation...
@mikec80864 жыл бұрын
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 the stamping tech was phenomenal however, even nowadays its impressive.
@LuvBorderCollies4 жыл бұрын
@@mikec8086 A saying I heard years ago.....its simple to make a complicated gun and complicated to make a "simple" gun. AK is is a good example.
@hernerweisenberg70524 жыл бұрын
Maybe copying those marks from the injection mold process was less about staying close to the original as it was about capitalizing on r&d and testing the spanish had to put in to make it work right? Why reinvent the wheel if it worked the first time :)
@willlowery844 жыл бұрын
I wonder if MarColMar bought the original furniture molds directly from Spain.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
No, they made them new.
@elsoldadomarquez4 жыл бұрын
Both look so cool, but which one has the fluted chamber like was supposed to be or their have smooth chambers?
@Thekossiable4 жыл бұрын
Have you shot these Ian? They look pretty good, i wonder how they handle.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
I have; they shoot nicely.
@paleosteveo35014 жыл бұрын
1:30 nice serial number!
@MiguelHenrique-tj2qo4 жыл бұрын
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with this video but I'd love to see a Bergmann mg15 n.a lgm Review. Never had the chance to see someone holding one. Did any of those survive WW1?
@Hansspeilm4 жыл бұрын
Jesus, look at those "welds"...
@zupperm4 жыл бұрын
So is the foreign magazines illegal thing only for the importer or can the gun owner get in trouble if they do so?
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
There is debate over that; it's not clear. As far as I know, no individual has even been charged for violating 922(r).
@ScottKenny19784 жыл бұрын
Since these feed off of STANAG magazines, might as well use PMags! Or one of the steel body AR mags made in the USA, if you want the right look.
@joseramirez95994 жыл бұрын
Pmags don’t work. Too thick on the rear. I ground my pmag down and the follower is party exposed but it works so I use it.
@tommyo_o38973 жыл бұрын
I`ve shot with that cetme in my military service, was lovely but it has a problem after a very stress time shooting, the barrel bend it.
@swj7194 жыл бұрын
Ian, we need to have a conversation about your welding... 😉
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
I took the easy route, and have not attempted to weld anything since I did this back in 2017. :)
@swj7194 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons That's fair. 👍
@kurt98944 жыл бұрын
By "heavy spacer" in Karl's rifle he mean a spent 8mm Lebel case
@tokul764 жыл бұрын
In which direction brass are flying out of ejection port? Rim on ejection port might be for deflecting brass.
@SecurityGuy424 жыл бұрын
HMG is still in business? I thought they took the money for the pre-paid Sturmgewehrs and ran to the Bahamas?