Challenger Challenge 2.0 - Indian Motorcycle

[@phillombardi7978]

For me it’s about ride, comfort & of course the way the bike handles first. That being said I went from an HD to an Indian Springfield & never looked back ✌🏼

[@RogueCheddar]

I've always liked the look of the Road King classic, but I always felt it was a bit clunky and heavy up top for me. My Indian Springfield is so smooth and well balanced, cruising heaven, all day, every day.

[@mosgor]

Indian Motorcycle. A PowerPlus Motorized Challenger! We are talking Inverted front suspension, lightweight cast-aluminum frame, and hydraulically adjustable Fox rear shock We are talking curve-hugging handling and stability. And we're talking race-spec radially-mounted Brembo brakes stopping power, and Metzeler Cruisetec tires all and more: Straight from the factory! and now with stage two cams! Love it!

[@richardvalitalo3670]

Stage TWO!??

[@michaelschmitzerle2587]

Love those Indian motorcycles! They just get better and better!

[@cartrack730]

Do you write that on every Indian page?

[@MattLaidlaw]

Imma go get an Indian now.

[@glennsmith2516]

Matt: That is a very impressive review, especially coming from you. Not hater, loved (past tense) my HD, but really LOVE my Indian!

[@TheVictory106]

It's about dam time! you will not have to put new shocks on it or a different windshield or add bluetooth plus you get power out of the box!

[@Losangelesmotorcycles]

haha

[@Losangelesmotorcycles]

@@glennsmith2516 i think he is playing

[@caleb4015]

Ahhh he mad

[@Curtis7391-t8q]

Can’t wait to get the lloydz tune!

[@Flyerdon]

I would have liked to see the 1/4 mile times compared to 1/8 mile. That would be more in line to what we are used to seeing. They are pretty close, though 1/4 mile times may be a bit farther apart.

[@jhonathanknox632]

Would rather see full quarter mile times...

[@Ferraiolo_1]

here we go!

[@chrishunter5041]

Again

[@johnnylegion5346]

I love my Challenger Dark horse

[@airtexaco]

It’s your money, buy what YOU want. I bought a Challenger. With my money. And I love it. Second Indian after two HD’s. I’m staying with Indian.

[@jeffreybrewer3462]

So, the Challenger is a pretty bad ass bike; however, the technology is different. Overhead cams and liquid cooled makes a big difference. Put the Road Glide up against the Chieftain and that would be a more fair comparison. Not hating, just food for thought.

[@jonathantyree8172]

I think thats the point.. This is going to coax harley as well as the buyers into embracing the tech.

[@JackieTreehoorn]

As a Road Glide owner, this is why the built the Challenger, to beat the Road Glide. The “how” isn’t important, you just want more power

[@kylestewart8354]

This is to spark your debate. And it worked. But the real Genius in the Indian is suspension, handling and power windshield. And TECH. All make your riding experience awesome 👌 👏 😎

[@steveh7108]

A more fair comparison would be up against a BMW K 1600 because they are claiming to be the king aren't they. Unless they go up against the real Top Dog it's just a bunch of BS.

[@motoGPness]

@@steveh7108 The K1600B is literally a sport touring bike with a lowered subframe and some bags slapped on it. It’s not a bagger in the traditional floor board having, heavy weight, V-twin American sense of the category. If you want to pretend they’re the same category of bikes then lets slap some bags on an H2, call it a bagger and then dog the K1600 because it can’t hang.

[@geneclarke2205]

LOL. At least Indian has a sense of humor.

[@semperfipar1299]

Free advertising for Harley Davidson paid for by Indian.

[@vbadbee9123]

awesome vid. Love how there going after Harley and actually put legit parts on there bike. Wonder if Harley will answer? My only thing is use Indian chieftain so both air cooled bikes. The challenger in a class of its own.

[@andyvanherwynen4866]

1/4 mile would have shown which engine was producing more power in top gear/top speed. The trap speed at the end of the 1/4 mile would show which is more powerful at higher rpm. Also would indicate if HP really wins the game versus power/gears for quick take off. My vote would go to the bike with higher power at say 4000+ rpm. But, the 1/8 mile does show which bike is stronger for most of the typical riding those of us who never got on a dragstrip could achieve for quickness.

[@benkudon7362]

There are so many other factors that should be looked at to decide which is the best motorcycle for you. Comfort, long distance, controls, seat & seat height, hell any way you look at it they are both baggers not race bikes. Sure you can load up the extras to see how fast they will go down the track, but in the final analysis I think most riders are taking these machines out on the road for long trips and they may also want them to go faster than stock!

[@toofastnobrakes]

Indian! Please take the FTR 1200 platform and give us an American sport bike!!! Either that or bring back the old Indian 4, but make it a modern sporty I4 🙏

[@yobabybubba]

Unrelated but I just wanna say I love love love my 16 chieftain.

[@johnnydangerously7186]

If not on an Indian, your in second place!

[@chiefjoseph8154]

IMHO the Challenger is closer to a Goldwing.

[@CrazyGreek80]

That Indian would be side-by-side with a stage 4 Harley.

[@markw8383]

Ya,and when indian comes out with stage 4 it will be an even bigger gap,apples to apples einstein.

[@danwalker5609]

Still not going to buy an Indian bike. I don’t need to argue engine size or 1/4 mile times. I like the look of my Road Glide better. Surely Indian is a fine bike, just not switching.

[@bakingcookiesandmakinglamp7169]

@Dan I agree! I ride an Indian Chief, but ride what you love!

[@bakingcookiesandmakinglamp7169]

I would love to own a Harley as well. I’m looking at a Street Glide to add to my family myself.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Go ride one. You'll change your mind. You'll feel like that road glide is a ripoff after ripping an Indian around.

[@soillife1]

I have ridden Harleys since 64. Owned many. All models The last three years the Harley sales staff has become unbelievable rude, pushy Chasing through the stores. No more Stop by to chat, relax, look around without being told you need to buy new. Constantly I'm buying a new Indian in July.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

You'll love it. Indians are crazy smooth. Like unbelievably so.

[@monkeyboylifestyle5814]

Did I see 90.17mph from the Indian????

[@ddsjoy7596]

ha, non-Union -- great reason to buy! That aside, I wished the Challenger would offer a mid-control option. I see one after market solution (Barnstorm Cycles) but if this was a factory option at a more reasonable price ($2K @ Barnstorm + install, ouch) I would be a buyer in a minute.

[@andromedach]

Why not race it against your own Thunderstroke 111 or 116, after all the Challenger would trash that as well. Meaning your comparison is just odd. Well at least you don't compare paint and finish quality.

[@GraemeBlore]

That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. The comparison is against the 'competitions' bike. Anything else would be odd.

[@m3talc0re]

@@GraemeBlore A real competition bike would be hopefully a new performance bagger from Harley with inverted front forks and a bigger version of the new RevolutionMAX engine. It'd probably destroy the "challenger". ...and our wallets... XD

[@grumpyoldpig]

Love there is a competition, but my Indian chieftains amazing. Road glide looks better.

[@HISVOICE4LIFE]

HD…..lol

[@steveh7108]

Honestly I would have much more respect for you if you would put the Challenger up against a BMW K 1600. Win or lose it would be much more respectable since you are claiming to be the "king" I double dog dare you!!!

[@kevinvoyer5053]

That would not be a race.

[@motoGPness]

Yawn!...We get it Steve, you like your BMW.

[@steveh7108]

@@motoGPness apparently you do not get it at all. I am buying a Challenger. Maybe you'll get it someday.

[@motoGPness]

@@steveh7108 Why in the world would you do that!? After all the K1600B is sooooo much better right?

[@steveh7108]

@@motoGPness try reading what I said again. If you have even a little bit of honesty and integrity in you you would understand it. Indian has plenty to be proud of and it has done wonders. But to make false arrogant claims is ridiculous and it falls in the category of crap Harley would do. I guess they did prove that false arrogant claims and Bs work on people like you. Indian has and is doing great things and making great changes in the American Motorcycle market and they have plenty to promote without a bunch of BS so why choose to promote the BS over the truth.

[@russ02281990]

1/8 mile drag race 🤣🤣🤣

[@killerwolf2.2]

Harley Davidson 🤟

[@BruceKent00]

So you like Junk

[@godackgudalach1]

@@BruceKent00 a dudes junk lol

[@markw8383]

a dude's junk haha ,a dudes junk lover.get off those balls

[@TimothyCaldwell-mt5zc]

Harley guys will make any excuses to avoid admitting that Harley is 100% over priced garbage.

[@see-it-for-yourself]

lol 0.43 sec., big deal. We all know what you're trying to do here: wanting us to believe that if we buy an Indian Challenger we'll be winners...just marketing

[@motoGPness]

I agree with your overall point, but.....in the racing world damn near a half a second is massive!

[@billfischer8057]

Lol .43 is a huge gap and would take Harley doing a complete engine rebuild to make that up

[@josephpupino6632]

I have a Challenger and honestly those numbers are not impressive that is an expensive upgrade, I wouldn't even waste my time with it. I think the Harley would've done better with a stage 2 torque cams. Also who even cares about 1/8 mile unless there was even less of a difference in the 1/4 mile. Also why didn't you run both bikes head to head, that's a drag race. Disappointing video, I'd keep it stock honestly.

[@MeathedMoto]

That interesting to hear from your perspective. I think you make a fair point. Upgrading your cam on a dual overhead cam motor is a pretty hefty charge versus the single cam camchest in the M8. I'm doing mine and it's 400$ for the install not including the tune.

[@motoGPness]

@@MeathedMoto Yup! That labor alone on an overhead cam is disgusting! I’m guessing that in time the aftermarket will come up with solutions that will provide way more bang for the buck for the PP108. It will be interesting to see it unfold.

[@windtherapy99]

The total cost for a cam upgrade on the Indian could get you a big bore kit on the Harley…

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

@@windtherapy99 lol no, it can't. Indian stage 2 cam is like 800 bucks total, including cam and labor and tune.

[@windtherapy99]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper not on the challenger, dealer here said labor alone was 1500 bucks because they have to drop the motor down out of the frame to access the cams.

[@RC-fb8yj]

What a joke

[@alexduey7868]

idk I raced some dude on a harley with my 250 at a 45 roll on... the harley was pretty disapointing lol.

[@kevinvoyer5053]

Go ride your 250 alongside the Harley you say you beat in a 45 mph roll on, for a 400 mile trip, at 65-75 mph, then tell us all how you feel.

[@charleschestnut9676]

Tyler is no longer king of anything…

[@maico125]

Compare apples to apples. I would not buy the Polaris (Victory/Indian) as it is not union built. H-D still rules.

[@kevinvoyer5053]

To me the fact Indian is not union is actually a plus to me. Who wants to buy anything made by some protected bum. Not saying there are any, but changes are there’s at least a few! I’ve owned a few Harleys, but not big bikes, a couple Sportsters, a V-Rod and Street 750. One of the Sportsters was an XR 12000, that was a very nice bike, after I added the Fork Kit an ungraded rear shocks. But sorry to say my ridding daze are behind me with terrible back pain. But if I could it would be a new Indian FRT 1200!

[@raywatson6522]

You'd buy a bike that slower, worse handling, worse braking etc etc etc purely because it's made by union bums who would be unemployed if it wasn't for the union 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@billfischer8057]

Lmao you’d buy Chinese junk because it’s built by a union worker who doesn’t care about quality? Hahahahahahahaha

[@maico125]

@@billfischer8057 Last time I looked my Harley was built in Milwaukee, by Union Workers. I won't buy a non union built POS by a part time worker. (Polaris)

[@billfischer8057]

Assembled in Milwaukee with Chinese parts pistons from Austria rims from Australia wiring from China and parts from Taiwan Indonesia. All put together by Chinese machines operated by guys that don’t care because they have job security so there’s no need to actually do a good job. Meanwhile Indian is bill in Spirit Lake Iowa with Full-time employees that can be fired if their quality of work is not there. And yes while Indian is about 80% American made parlay is getting awfully close to having more foreign parts than American roughly 62% last time I checked

[@hedgehog7498]

Cringe.