Channel 4 Survival & The Secret Gameshow Tax

[@solidflyer286]

It takes effort to get my kids to stay engaged with old films but they always enjoy them once they get going. Flight of the navigator is a fave

[@MarijanStupar]

Now I want The Rest Is Engineering! Tell me more about disappearing bridges!

[@nicccccccccccccccccccccccck]

I can do you a strong the rest is finance and economics to describe how money disappears if you fancy

[@craigfoulkes]

Check out engineering with Rosie.

[@Tozzywozzy01]

Talking about trailers way early, who remembers watching 'Toy Story 2' on VHS and that first teaser for 'Monsters Inc' was included despite it not coming out for about a year and a half. Child me couldn't handle the wait.

[@joneggelton]

I'm much older than you, and I remember seeing Total Recall at the cinema in 1990. On the front was the famous teaser for Terminator 2 -- a movie still being made, and a whole year away. Longest year of my life.

[@benjaminmorgan1562]

In 2003, I recall getting quite far in the application process to appear on The Apprentice. In one of the final interviews, they asked me for a prediction to give old Sugarballs and I said, firmly, “TV will be dead in 20 years and everything will be online.” I can still hear the laughter. I did not get a callback 😂

[@rob_in_stowmarket_uk]

Have watched most of our Olympic output on Discovery Plus, free, courtesy of SKY (your podcast sponsor!), so - in depth coverage of EVERY niche sport event in the Games like, for instance, the Archery, a particular favourite - and some of the feeds lack any form of commentary at all. I’ve found this particularly good, versus the sports where commentators seem to be ‘paid by the word’, with a ceaseless stream of inane commentary (also available on the BBC’s financially limited one channel plus a ‘red button event’ coverage) particularly refreshing. After all, you don’t necessarily get ‘running commentary’ when you are there, in person, and I find it does not detract from your enjoyment of any particular event one iota.

[@averyintelligence]

Have you tried muting the tv

[@Larrydavid89]

This pod is the best.

[@davidedwards9758]

This is such a great podcast. Great chemistry. Keep up the brilliant work!

[@mixiehandle7412]

About 20 years ago I did a tour of NBC studios in LA and they had a caged area of unclaimed prizes from quiz shows, including a speed boat! In the UK Nicholas Parsons would just hook it up to your car and away you go.

[@LiveDonkeyDeadLion]

The tax question about prizes, I can share what I was told when I was doing my training to be a Tax Officer. tThe reason for it as that you have to pay tax on your winnings, then everyone can claim tax relief on any losses they make when entering any lottery or competition. So in effect, more tax relief would be paid out by HMRC than collected from any winnings.

[@Larrydavid89]

Tim and Ed made my day

[@aDifferentJT]

I love the idea of entomology of skateboarding

[@timbeaton5045]

(sound of crickets....)

[@hadz8671]

That bugged me too.

[@russellrichardson554]

@@hadz8671 I think that's what Richard and Marina were giggling about... But what do I know? maybe there's a whole lexicon of beetles, roaches and drones. There should be.

[@debbiecarter6430]

My favourite comment thus far in the BBC coverage is Andrew Cotter saying that when Steve Cram was competing they were still running in clogs! 😊

[@OldCharlieRum1903]

The earliest known use of the adjective gotten is in the Middle English period (1150-1500). OED's earliest evidence for gotten is from before 1382, in Bible (Wycliffite, early version).

[@beantricky6539]

I am vindicated.

[@GarethE94]

Pink Floyds Echoes - give it a listen. All of it.

[@sayeager5559]

As often as possible.

[@dibdab101]

Echoes in 30s chunks on Tik Tok anyone?

[@MummyJilly]

I remember reading about the word "gotten" in one of Bill Bryson's excellent books on language. I think, Mother Tongue. I'm pretty certain 'gotten' originally came from the UK, went to America, and fell out of use here. Which is why we think its Americam.

[@timhartnell2472]

Hearing from Ed and Tim was great…. And as much as I love hearing from you both, it made me wonder if you might get other interesting industry people (but not necessarily the usual suspects) on the show from time to time, or at least a few minutes with them on zoom… ?

[@davidevans3227]

it's nice Richard listens listening to audiobook 'Life on Air ' by david Attenborough i miss that bbc..

[@liammcnichol3369]

Great pod as always

[@johnking5174]

From 1958 the regulator limited the amount of money each game show could give per ITV game show edition. This was brought in 1958 after a few scandals rocked ITV game shows. The original cap was £1,000 per show. The regulators (ITA Independent Television Authority & then IBA Independent Broadcasting Authority) gradually increased the cap every few years, to the point where by 1989 it was set at around £6,000 per show. The 1990 Broadcasting Act abolished these restrictions from 1st January 1993 as part of the start of the new franchise period for ITV.

[@MoonOnAStickFilms]

Two uses of 'by and large' for anyone keeping a tally.

[@ninafuentes04]

By and large, rather low for Richard

[@dibdab101]

and one Taylor Swift from marina.

[@russellrichardson554]

Sports commentaries: I once worked with commentators of African sports reviews (in Paris). Sometimes, in the football, they would only get the condensed highlights of the match feed, without commentary or data beyond the team names and the scoreline. I was assured that the (French) journalists would give a full and inflected commentary overdub by simply making up plausible sounding 'African' names and getting their voices to sound more excited at the appropriate moments. No-one ever noticed, apparently.

[@stephenandrews1318]

I believe first flush on stage, at least in the UK, was in Pinter’s The Dumb Waiter (Gus offstage)

[@megaskyburst]

Didn’t actually show the water though. Psycho was literally in the bog.

[@TheWisemanwilson]

Trailers coming out early does one of two things for me... It either irritates if its something I'm wanting to watch because it reminds me how long i have to wait to see it or puts me off entirely because i feel barraged with the same trailer.

[@chrisknight2631]

They didn’t quite answer the final question when it came to artists who were dead. Live is the same as the previous answer, with the new rights holder getting the royalties, but if recorded, and the artist died (iirc) 70+ years ago (prior to your recording), no permission is needed and no royalties need to be paid, as the song would then be considered ‘of the public domain.’ Hence why Johann Pachelbel’s Canon has technically been number one in the US & UK (probably everywhere else that sells music), about a thousand times each. It’s the perfect melody and arrangement to be used/recreated for modern music. Unless you’re Maroon 5, in which case you’ll murder it by actually keeping it as close to the original as possible. Oasis’s Don’t Look Back in Anger is another famous one. That can even get you out of being sued if you’ve nicked a more recent song, because the song you’ve nicked it from also used the public domain song initially. Which will in most instances still be Pachelbel’s Canon, because, aren’t they all??? 😂

[@russellrichardson554]

That Oasis song was pretty good, despite being a mash-up of 'Imagine' and Ralph McTell's 'Streets of London'.

[@iamunce]

I remember a toilet scene from A Hole in the Head (1959) with Frank Sinatra and Edward G. Robinson. That was one year before Psycho (1960). It was the film with the song High Hopes, which is one of the reasons I remember it, but I also remember my father being mildly shocked about a toilet being shown in a film. At that stage, he was a big Sinatra fan (it was before Sinatra left the Democrats for the Republicans). My father's shock gave way to admiration because he thought it added a sense of reality to the film. Check it out and see if my memory is correct.

[@PeterCarroll83]

To my knowledge, two factors were at play that saw the increase in song length artistically - the explosion of progressive rock/pop and the popularisation and proclivity of the ‘concept album’ in the mid to late 60’s. It’s probably the easiest to site the Beatles’ Sgt Peppers as the jumping off point, although both creative endeavours origin can be attributed elsewhere - but let’s be honest, if the Beatles don’t make a progressive pop concept album, would they have become as popular? It’s no coincidence that the emergence of psychedelia coincided with this variety of musical expression.

[@seancassidy9897]

"Like a Rolling Stone" at 6 minutes with no radio edit in 1965 (and going to #2 on Billboard) was probably the first crossing of that line for "pop" music. Dylan's mainstream success after he went electric pretty much made anything possible in what was the beginnings of rock music, whether it was lyrical content or song length. Musicians from Zappa to Joni Mitchell to the Beatles (who naturally also had a reciprocal influence on Dylan going electric) took notice.

[@coolbluesman]

Marina's response to 'context' said in an American accent made me lol.

[@MK-rt2gm]

From Reddit, According to IMDb the 1930 film Going Wild About fifty minutes into the film, a plumber is shown flushing a toilet, and the flush is also heard in one of the earliest pictures to do so.

[@Ryan-9000]

Skateboarding is the same as ballet. It is all about landing the routine with style.

[@TrueDemonLordRimuruTempest]

2:36 in the age of streaming, artists are incentivised to release lots of short songs due to the financial compensation they receive.

[@MsBNoodle]

Ooh this is fun

[@garymorrison9338]

Have gotten is gramatically correct in english.

[@MichaelLonsdale-h9m]

Can’t wait for The Rest is Hypothermia! 😮

[@Amy-tb3rd]

Your right about the bbc and olympics! I did not know they didn’t have the rights anymore the light bulb lit when u said no red button… oh yea 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@megaskyburst]

BBC coverage this year was awful. Discovery+ nailed it.

[@Typrevail93]

Marianas Trench would like to have a word with you about short songs because they’re still dropping seven minute bangers.

[@shanematthews5359]

As a US citizen living in the UK, I still have to pay tax to the US on any prize winnings here too.

[@A7XfoREVer2705]

Artists don't need permission to do covers. Limp Bizkit covered Faith by George Michael and he hated them for doing it.

[@dannyellis8030]

Anybody who watches QI regularly knows the first toilet scene was in pyscho

[@averyintelligence]

Short songs: pinkpantheress All her songs are like 1:52 Personally I don’t understand the issue with short songs. I mean if you like the song then just listen to it twice.

[@AaBb-id1dm]

‘The Rest Is Entertainment’ drinking game, perfect for any episode. Take a shot every time they mention Quiz shows, Marvel or Taylor Swift…

[@bobcricket4873]

@@JamieFab or his height.

[@danutagajewski3330]

Or Marina touches her nose.

[@stevenhooper4369]

Or marina says "sort of"

[@simoncooper2994]

Where can I watch 'The Rest Is Enlightenment'? Sounds like a doozy....

[@7zark785]

the 1930 film Going Wild shows one earlier:

[@JasonDrWho]

How about The Rest Is Rest, about sleeping & kicking back?

[@mattym8038]

Crapper had nothing to do with the invention of the toilet. he mearely sold them.

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

I think the trend for the trailers dropping months before the movie is released is starting to go away. Partially because no one remembers what trailers they watched 6 months ago and partially because people get bored with the trailer and assume the film must have already been released when in fact it is still months away. For example Shazam was being advertised long before it was released, so on release date everyone had forgotten about it.

[@davidevans3227]

question.. "does someone like Richard really watch tv? there are lots of tv people who talk about watching telly, but where do they get the time? and don't they get bored with it.. and annoyed with the competition etc..." it always makes me wonder 🙂

[@Fludded]

They didn't answer the last question: 30:25 Do artists need permission to cover songs, and what if the artist is dead?

[@billswifejo]

Yes, they did answer, but here you go…… They don’t need permission unless they are deliberately changing the words.* My husband is a songwriter and artists will contact him to say they are using one of his songs on an album, but just acknowledge it to the audience if they are playing live. They have to pay if they are making money out of it ( eg putting it on an album), but usually if they are playing live the venue has to have a PRS (performing rights society) licence and they pay the original writers an estimate of how much a song has been played or covered in these venues * i think with spoofs and complete changes such as the Marsh family do, they don’t need permission.

[@ogden4]

Re short songs: Half Man Half Biscuit - Vatican Broadside. Listen to it. You won't be disappointed

[@dibdab101]

ha ha ha...I just have. Brilliant.

[@billsherrington5996]

Any news on the pitch for Dogs on Mars?

[@WhitbyStuff]

As Marina says "Janet" at 01:45

[@awhite3747]

03:30 that explains the interminable car crash of Paul McCartney at the London Olympics.

[@danellis-jones1591]

Commercial TV in Australia is on the brink of bankruptcy. Channel 10, in particular, is close to closing. But they are AWFUL. Commercial TV news in Australia makes American news look like BBC in its heyday

[@mustafabeer1791]

"Can Labour save Channel 4?" Hahahahahahaha - Labour - Hahahahahaha!

[@BenchRacerRC]

weird cut at 1:42 after the first Thomas Crapper

[@bumbameuboi9101]

Richard said Vivienne Leigh, Marina told him he meant Janet Leigh, Richard corrected himself so the mistake could be edited out. But it was not.

[@ThisIsMeUK]

Thank you! I’m watching this at 4.13am as I can’t sleep and thought I was going mad!! 😂😂

[@yonwife5879]

Morning everyone.

[@TCJones]

I go the Cinema now less than i ever have, and its not cos i dont want to go, part of it is price, its just got ungodly expensive, but for a triple A I might pay it, but what has really stopped me going is the lack of decorum, I am not paying to listen to some Chaves phone call and to be blinded by the light from some one else's phone while they play games or social media threw the whole thing. I am not spending that much money to have it ruined by other people, I would rather watch it at home in the dark, which is another thing, they dont turn the lights off any more, the last 2 times i went they left most of the lights on which ruined it as well.

[@lakrids-pibe]

I go to the cinema a lot less now than I ever did. I went to the cinema a lot more back in the day when I read two newspapers (printed on paper) every morning, each had their own competent movie reviews. And the on TV there was another great critic. Now there's just marketing. It's useless. I go out of my way to avoid trailers.

[@krisinsaigon]

Marina- the introduction is fine, but what you have trouble with is the phrase “…and answers”

[@chrisknight2631]

I agree. I also don’t believe that she says edition twice ALL the time, but I could be wrong - I’ll watch a few intros to previous shows to get an idea. Anyway, yes, it’s the “…and answers” but that trips her up. That was a conversation in one of their early Question & Answer editions, Marina always just said “questions edition” whereas Richard, by-and-large, countered immediately, as if correcting her, “question and answers edition” I think Marina should shorten the whole thing and just say “…Q&A edition” personally - I think it scans better. Anyhoo…. Enjoy the rest of your Friday!

[@krisinsaigon]

@@chrisknight2631 cheer mate you too. My guess is it’s turned into a regular “bit”, like a catchphrase

[@krisinsaigon]

@@chrisknight2631 I’m always listening to see if she remembers the “…and answers.”

[@allanbarr1975]

c u next tuesday...they must do that on purpose :)

[@clintonjthurman]

I came to say this. That sign off is a doozy.

[@crishowe9621]

My question is you have never said how to ask a question on the question and answers edition! ( unless I have missed it) . So how do you ask a question?

[@TheRestIsEntertainment]

You can send over to [e-mail] 📩

[@CaesarTjalbo]

Marina can do the question edition and then Richard can do the answer edition.

[@bigbossyboss1]

On the music point. Yeah, no. metal still has songs of that length. Sleep Token would be an example that are a modern band that get plays on radio. Iron maiden are still going, first song from their latest album is 8 minutes. Look outside the charts for stuff that is doing great things, changing genres and most importantly have bridges :D

[@megaskyburst]

Ok mate, save it for the Rest is Music.

[@colinmaynard2879]

I’m sure 9% refused to recognise Earth as it wasn’t flat.

[@webmart70]

Maybe Channel 4 could start make great programmes again?

[@louis1952]

I guess the first UK flush must have been Billy Liar in 1963.

[@marknewbold2583]

April is the cruelest month...

[@themattitude]

I like "gotten". I think it's a helpful distinction between tenses. Despite that, I do find that I self-edit for the benefit of anti-gotteners like Marina. You're welcome.

[@HJJSL-bl8kk]

Gotten was once common in Britain, went over to America with the first migrants and stayed but fell out of common usage over here. This is true of other vocabulary.

[@thirstyguy4652]

@@HJJSL-bl8kk still in regular use in the UK - but only in the phrase "ill-gotten gains"

[@billswifejo]

When I was at school in the 1970s our English teacher (Mr Roberts) has zero tolerance for the word ‘got’, he would stop you mid sentence and tell you to find another word.

[@HJJSL-bl8kk]

@@billswifejo I had an English teacher (Mr Glew, a name ripe for sticky nicknames) who objected to 'said' in our stories. We had to use words like exhorted, exclaimed, muttered, roared, declaimed, ejaculated (yes, really) etc. I was delighted to hear Richard Osman, the best selling author of rattling yarns, say he avoids using anything other than 'said'.

[@vandyFixer]

I thought that Chanel four was private?

[@tashasgran]

Regarding the cinemas, which was a good reasonably priced entertainment, have ruined the experience with the extremely loud sounds. I know people who have walked out of Oppenheimer for this very reason.

[@dianehrechko6370]

What’s wrong with gotten?

[@MsClaudz]

Both got and gotten are correct. Brits generally use “got” as the past participle and Americans “gotten”. When Richard said gotten is creeping into english he should have said British English.

[@steveambrose5580]

The reason Hey Jude is so long is because the songwriters got twice the royalties once a song passes a certain time frame. At tip passed onto them by Jimmy Webb who benefitted from the length McArthur park.

[@PianoKwanMan]

Might this be why Meatloaf has so many extremely long songs?

[@BLOCKsignallingUK]

Got and gotten replace may verbs. I think its lazy, ther ei always a specific word that works better.

[@TravelingBibliophile]

In Canada lotto winnings are tax free, i believe other prizes are too. I have bought the US Powerball tix because I don’t care if I have to give half of it to the US govt in tax if I get to keep 350 of the 700 million USD because in Canada whatever Uncle Sam doesn’t take I get to keep tax free 😀

[@Pablo-e5u4z]

Can you claim the prize if you are not resident in the USA?

[@phil1506]

Watching trailers online is NOT new lol

[@aaronhall5796]

I think the linear channels will survive but only by doing what they do best by bringing people together. With on demand we are loosing party of the experience of watching tv. That wait between episodes. Talking about it with friend and family and people at work. Experience something together as a whole. That's an important part of tv that we are loosing. The bbc, itv and channel 4 need to get back into that head space. They need to stop trying to be Netflix because what they offer is much better. The bbc also need to remember its for all age groups. It need to get bbc three back weren't was before the first transfer online. BBC one, two and four are too similar. They need to be distaincrivwbwgwin

[@charlieaddy]

That Night Manager story made me feel sick

[@simoncooper2994]

Hello

[@PaulMcCaffreyfmac]

Ignore 80% of all comments!? How very dare you? 🤣

[@beantricky6539]

You spelt Strohmengher wrong, it's supposed to be spelt Strohmenger

[@polyglotuk]

Can I be the 94th person to say that "gotten" was originally preferred in BE before falling out of favour. Here's a question for you: why do accessibility requirements like subtitling not apply to FAST channels or Tubi which are often showing network re-runs that would originally have had subtitles. Is it really that hard to implement or purely down to cost/lack of legislation?

[@stewartbrodie1720]

(1) legal requirements: the UK PSBs and companies that are "obviously" UK broadcasters are a much easier target for legislation, whereas companies overseas are harder to get at. The Media Bill 2023 should improve things in the UK. To quote from the summary: "Audiences will benefit from [... stuff ...] new requirements for subtitling, audio description and signing to cover mainstream on-demand services." Trying to get the legislation to apply to these other companies is the tricky bit. Companies from the USA who are governed by their domestic laws should be able to do at least as well as we do in the UK, as they have similar laws. They also suffer somewhat from legislation lagging technical advances, as has always been the case. The biggest new feature coming down the line is spoken subtitles (not the same as AD) but they're as rare as hen's teeth in the UK at the moment as far as I have seen.

[@stewartbrodie1720]

(2) no, it's not particularly hard to implement "subtitles" for pre-recorded content (to use the common-use British term for simplicity's sake - I don't want to argue captions vs subtitles) Subtitles are just another track like a video track or an audio track. For streaming services, your device just downloads them all of them in parallel and arranges to get them displayed in sync with each other using timestamps embedded in the streams. You don't need much bandwidth for subtitles, because they are typically just SRT, TTML or WebVTT text files. Having said that, despite being quite easy at a basic level, that only gets you the text but it's not a good experience without styling/fonts/positioning and adding those will likely take more effort. With terrestrial broadcast (DVB-T/DVB-T2) it's fundamentally the same except the streams are all multiplexed into a single frequency and your device picks out the right ones.

[@stewartbrodie1720]

(3) for live TV broadcasts, it _is_ more challenging to have subtitling, AD, spoken subtitles et al., but only really because they've always been treated as an optional add-on in the past, but they ought to be being treated as mandatory as having video and audio are, IMHO. The problem for subtitles, in particular, is turning them around in near real time with an acceptable level of accuracy AND getting them to not look bad on screen. Just watch the BBC news, subtitles if you want a good laugh, although it has improved a lot over time. I've always been incredibly impressed by live US sports' closed captions - they have what I consider to be an extremely high accuracy (no doubt helped by the mandatory broadcast delays giving them a chance to correct errors)

[@KristineMaitland]

The days of Stairway to Heaven are done.

[@RobDW24]

Rock and Metal still have long songs they just don't bother the charts or get released as singles. Check out "At the mortuary by Lucifer" from this year which is 6 minutes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5rPkoB9epitoNUsi=rH1vkDxVUSsLBDN-

[@MrDslacker]

In short - modern music sucks.

[@DelosFive]

There she goes again, looking over to our (the camera's) left, for no apparent reason

[@HJJSL-bl8kk]

That's where the producer sits. Sometimes you hear them laugh off camera.

[@DelosFive]

@@HJJSL-bl8kk it's so irritating!!

[@HJJSL-bl8kk]

@@DelosFive Perhaps listen to the podcast rather than watching it in KZbin? It doesn't bother me (Richard does it too, btw) but we all have our little irritations don't we? Mine is people calling me 'young lady' when I'm obviously old.

[@HJJSL-bl8kk]

@@DelosFive Something else, the audio podcast is released much earlier than the KZbin version. I usually listen to that (it goes out after midnight on Tuesdays and Thursdays) and only do the KZbin version if I've forgotten which day it is and forget the audio is out (as previously mentioned, I'm old!).

[@DelosFive]

@@HJJSL-bl8kk Someone told me she's deaf, and that's why she looks off to the side. Baffling logic there. 🤣

[@timwilks666]

Should probably rename this channel "The Marvel and Taylor Swift Show".

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

Really??! What was the question about Marvel, I must have missed it?

[@GrahamM2341]

Marina’s Guardian article today is quite frankly a disgrace

[@washingmachineenvy]

I think it's great. Describing Tommy Robinson on his lylo as 'floating like a lonesome turd in the pool'

[@GrahamM2341]

@@washingmachineenvy it’s pathetic wokery, pandering to this communist government and its cronies, being led by a man out of his depth

[@callum9999]

It reads like very basic common sense to me... Presumably why you've decided to just state your opinion as a fact instead of actually providing any form of coherent argument against it?

[@GrahamM2341]

@@callum9999 it’s just lefty nonsense, it’s basically the same propaganda the the government and main stream media have colluded on

[@robertbarker5981]

Explain

[@Storm1312]

Its so upsetting when Marina chats about music like she knows what she's talking about, stick to TV.

[@Philly0409JF]

I think you need to get a grip

[@robovac3557]

Oh, poor you been all upset. I hope you pull through.

[@Joley964]

Upsetting? 🤔😢😂