Chapter 1's "Weird Route" - DELTARUNE Concept

[@psychicjellyfish9466]

Anyone else find it interesting how Susie is the only party member thus far who can seemingly resist the soul's control? Even Noelle can still "hear our voice" even after Kris is silent, but in chapter 1 we get a whole sequence where we're completely helpless as we watch Susie attack Lancer, despite us being entirely present. Perhaps there's more to "the power of mean girls" than one might assume...

[@suburbanlegend1997]

Maybe, but the soul's sights may just not have been set on her just yet. I DO think that Susie is at least aware of its existence/bad intentions because of the flavor text associated with the shard though

[@nachoferrari240]

Also, in thr ferris wheel scene, you try to "choose" for her but she doesn't even listen

[@LyricMammal]

NO ONE BETTER LIKE ANYMORE, ITS AT 69

[@dovevanity4252]

Also Susie is the one who tells to Kris that in this world choices don't matter. Perhaps that was some kind of foreshadowing?

[@spiffyavatar3611]

@@dovevanity4252 what if that was referring to the player?

[@thepinkcoin1512]

i imagine that this would make the entire game not have susie's eyes be visible

[@tiriangaming2379]

yeah same

[@emsiyes]

Yep. Thatd make it more sinister

[@Integrous_Melodies]

Or it would but her eyes would look like they stare at us the player.

[@joaonitro5149]

@@cjloquendo189 bruh

[@ElGatto-iu4mo]

@@cjloquendo189 what

[@Zachabruh]

It would be cool if ralsei never revealed their true face in this route, and Susie would keep her hair over eyes sprites for the rest of the game.

[@mrboerger1620]

That's tight.

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

It would show how their growth is limited due to your actions

[@caingamin2]

If ralsei is evil it would hit hard if he does the reveal in the final chapter because you would have gone through many adventures together.

[@aelmaest9172]

@@caingamin2 Rather than Ralsei turning out evil at the end, maybe he turns on us with the intent to stop us from murdering almost every darkner using Susie. Possibly depending on your actions, Susie will either turn on you after being not able to bare Ralsei in a damaged state late into the battle and, with the help of Ralsei, defeat the player, or at the end she eliminates Ralsei like the others and just has a mental breakdown after the battle ends.

[@Swaggertron4000]

Cool im like the 1000th like

[@dual8480]

I think this is a really cool concept! I like how instead of just copying snowgrave’s manipulation, Kris is enabling and encouraging Susie’s violent tendencies.

[@DeltaBlazin]

WE are enabling and encouraging her, but yes.

[@someoneandsomeone3251]

@@DeltaBlazin more like guiding her with the motive of "getting stronger" while freezing the whole city, and as Susie just enabling her violent tendencies.

[@FlameSlash]

Cool concept indeed, but this is no longer the "weird route" ,this is full-on genocide

[@RaphielShiraha64]

@@FlameSlash freezing people to death is also genocide...heck you even kill berdly

[@FlameSlash]

@@RaphielShiraha64 well Yeah, but you don't get to kill anyone after Noelle leaves(other than Spamton) so i don't personally consider it to be genocide I mean you also get to KILL KING but you never get to kill queen in Snowgrave, and the gets to the Dark Castle regardless of ur route

[@stickminflame1914]

If there are different "weird" routes to all chapters, there will be a LOT of outcomes whether you go for that route or not in other chapters. A lot of differences too.

[@Solariscatto]

I will play the weird route in chapter 1 and 4 specifically and then do a failed weird route in chapter 6

[@andreaslefteri3661]

I'm curious how chapter 2 would play if you do devil's buster in chapter 1 but you don't do snowgrave in chapter 2. How will a pacifist chapter 2 play out with a genocide susie?

[@Solariscatto]

@@andreaslefteri3661 susie would probably act like in normal chapter 1, fighting people without input, and you have to warn the enemies

[@andreaslefteri3661]

@@Solariscatto it would seem interesting, and it's possible. i personally think she'd act more aggressive during the cutscenes and she'd still have devil's buster. Susie would be alot more aggressive towards the queen when noelle is involved, like when queen captures kris, susie, noelle and berdly during a normal route. The queen fight would play almost the same, but red buster would be replaced with ultimate buster, devil's buster powerd by kris' soul, and would cost 100% tp but deal over 750 damage to the queen. Releasing berdly would be faster as susie would have a new act option in s-action which would cost 50% tp, and provide 40% sparing. This ability can only be used once, as queen will shield the wire after the attack and even repair it should you try to use this move again. If the attack is used on the wire with 60% or more mercy queen will shield the wire automatically. Choosing this act option causes susie to use rude buster on the wire, damaging it. When queen makes her acid shield susie would refuse to toast, instead always attacking when using s-action or the triple act from kris' menu. Regardless of if you save berdly or fight the queen the giga queen fight plays as normal, as does the ending and kris sealing the fountain. Oh and trying to remove any of jevil's items from susie wouldn't work, with susie saying "no" when trying to remove either Doing the spamton neo fight in a normal route with genocide susie would play exactly the same as it does in the actual game, but with slightly altered dialogue as susie is excited to fight spamton neo

[@MozzyBatz]

@@andreaslefteri3661 that's a really good idea

[@MfwPrivate]

Other than Weird route, fans could call this the "DevilsBuster route" or, more simply, the "Chalkeater" route

[@Mp9k]

or genocide

[@vegzet2066]

You can't kill enemies, you never get XP in Chapter 1-

[@tailpig6417]

@@vegzet2066 Watch the video.

[@cyonofgaia]

Exactly my thought as well.

[@caprin.7471]

Carnage/Carnivore route? Cause Susie has devilishly sharp teeth?

[@wormybobcat3706]

One small change about the devil buster I’d apply would be for The enemies’s death sprites to be cut in half instead of disintegrating. Like they’d been slashed by a very sharp weapon

[@DeltaBlazin]

Yeah, like Undyne.

[@someoneandsomeone3251]

how about slashed and then disintegrated?

[@wormybobcat3706]

@@someoneandsomeone3251 nah, should just faze out faintly

[@hollowtrappedinaelevator320]

Amongus

[@RaphielShiraha64]

@@wormybobcat3706 he said is a reference to the animation of snowgrave killing normal enemies, there is a video on description

[@silentchatterbox52]

i love how you narrated this, feels like an old school narration of a deltarune creepypasta lol, good job

[@Jummy]

Thank you so much! I've watched your stuff, good to see you here in the comments!

[@sylvicx3437]

I mean, Snowgrave kinda does feels like a DR creepypasta

[@remcrimson2750]

@@sylvicx3437 Exactly! If Snowgrave was never released and you tell your friends about a "lost route" how would they respond to "You can manipulate Noelle, put her in a killing trance, force her to kill Berdly, and Spamton NEO comes down to stop you"

[@sylvicx3437]

@@remcrimson2750 And That's why it hits SO HARD, it got me shocked for a while

[@sekinaperkins4618]

There are Deltarune Creepypasta

[@michibry]

THE WRITING HERE IS SUPERB HOLY SHIT, especially the lancer part you really nailed the toby for humor wtf

[@frezomereseraphim9164]

"It's on the mouse"

[@theemeraldsword85]

I think Jevil's dialogue after their battle should go like this: * HA HA HA. * WHAT FUN!!! * NOW I SEE, YOU'RE FAST, FAST, STRONG, STRONG. SHARKS YOU ARE INDEED. * BUT THERE ARE YET FASTER, YET STRONGER. * SOON, A NEW FOUNTAIN ERUPTS, AND THE SNOWSTORM SHALL BEGIN. * LIGHTNERS, CAN YOU STOP IT? * OR PERHAPS, WILL YOU START IT? * UEE HEE HEE! * EITHER WAY, A MISCHIEF-MISCHIEF, A CHAOS-CHAOS. . . ! * LIGHTNERS! * FROM INSIDE YOUR LITTLE CELL!! *TAKE ME AND MY POWERS AND DO YOUR STRONGEST---! * (You got the ShadowCrystal.) * (DEVILSKNIFE was added to your WEAPONs.) * (JEVILSTAIL was added to your ARMORs.)

[@harbingerserenade9569]

*metamorphosis*

[@owenmurphy924]

This is really good

[@JENNATHEZOMBIEE]

Yess

[@catey_kizz]

@@harbingerserenade9569 how you do that

[@catey_kizz]

the snowstorm- wait what- S N O W G R A V E

[@earthboiproductions2407]

"turns the entire sprite red and the enemy disintegrates" Nice reference to the non-Berdly SnowGrave death animation. This actually makes a lot of sense, since it was recently discovered said death effect has been present in Chapter 1 since release.

[@TheAdvertisement]

Love how each character could potentially be manipulated in different ways. Imagine maipulating Toriel's protective side in Ch3, by putting yourself in danger so she accidentally kills someone trying to protect Kris.

[@gummywormee41]

Or perhaps by using Ralsei's way of talking things out in a horrible twist, by making him convince enemies to take their own lives?

[@hampter8546]

@@gummywormee41 I think ralsei is the only character who can't be manipulated

[@dylanzlol7293]

yeah

[@generallyunimportant]

@@gummywormee41 every character we've seen being manipulated by us(basically only noelle rn) are lightners. i doubt it'd work with darkners, but it is toby writing shit, not me, so idfk.

[@oof8493]

@@hampter8546 it'd be funny if in a future chapter, there would be a fakeout route where you could try to manipulate ralsei but fail, and eventually ralsei gets tired of it and burns you to death

[@oatsie8727]

This is really good! Not overly edgy or absurd, fits in with the tone of the game, plus you have a good sense of what Toby's humour is like (I actually smiled at "it's on the mouse!")

[@mrwonka407]

I like that this gives more plot screen time to Jevil, like Spamton in the Weird Route. My bud deserves it. EDIT: What i don't deserve is all these likes **cringe thanks for the likes**

[@darealsooski]

100% true

[@explodingegg123]

i know this is a bit off-topic but, the second eveyone saw spamton they acted like jevil never existed.

[@mrwonka407]

@@explodingegg123 yeah, that makes me very sad i love jevil and his thematic, but unfortunetaly his plot was very shallow.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

@@explodingegg123 yeah compared to Spamton which had a ton of buildup before his NEO form battle and so many new dialogue from addisons, Swatchlings, and Swatch, Jevil had only like dialogue from Seam as buildup

[@explodingegg123]

@@MrcreeperDXD777 yeah. jevil had so much potential but, sadly it was wasted. but hey, a deltarune fan can dream right?

[@dabean1502]

You know how there’s a little jingle when you do something right in snowgrave? What if the noise for this route was jevils laugh?

[@someguyhere2373]

Cool, and you know that there is a sound too when you fail/abort the route, what sound do you think it will play (i can think of one later tho)

[@gneu1527]

@@someguyhere2373 I think the sound Lancer makes when you use him in the inventory

[@theman933]

was this inspired by the fact using snowgrave on normal enemies causes them to go red and disintegrate just like devil's buster does in the story?

[@Jummy]

Yes, exactly! Nobody else has noticed that. At the bottom of the description I even linked a video of it

[@theman933]

@@Jummy oh wow, nobody at all? one of the first things i thought when i heard the "entire sprite goes red and they disintegrate" was snowgrave also this concept is super cool, i love it

[@joelhoon1707]

@@theman933 same

[@xdan-]

@@theman933 Same, I immediately thought of that.

[@Minimod08]

@@theman933 Same.

[@problempixel-ian2663]

Man I imagined this all in my head, and i think another major difference there could be in chapter two, is of Ralsei wearing his hat trough most of the chapter, this would happen since he didn't think Kris and Susie would even care that much, and because Ralsei's Bond with Susie and Kris gets Questionable once the enemies start "Fuffiling Their Purpose" ("Purpuse"?) as Susie could say (Plus it would be nice if after the first room where enemies run from you Ralsei says in a sad face: "* Kris...Susie..." "* I Don't think enemies are supposed to be afraid of us." "* Maybe we should stop using that new magic attack." then Ralsei Switches to a concerned look and says "* No... They're not scared... They're TERREFIED." with the word 'TERREFIED' in the color Purple. and Susie then says with a mean grin on her face "* Come ON! Ralsei!" "* I told you before." "* They're ENEMIES." "* They're FOR TERRORIZING." Ralsei then says with a concerned look "* Kris, What do You think?" you're then given 2 options: 'We must go on.' and 'Thinking about it...', but before you can choose one, JEVIL says "* HEHEHEH, OH SWEET AND INNOCENT PRINCE... YOU MUST KNOW THAT ACTIONS ARE MADE OF TOUGHTS. TOUGHTS." "* YOU ALL ARE DIFFERENT." "* BUT FREEDOM MAKES CHOICES. AND CHOICES AREN'T A THING YOU'LL EASILY FIND." "* THE GAME HAS STIL NOT ENDED. ENDED." "* AS YOU'LL PROGRESS YOU'LL FIND MORE ROUNDS. ROUNDS." "* FROM INSIDE THIS LITTLE CELL, WE SHALL PLAY AND PLAY UNTIL THE END OF THE DAY! DAY!" and Susie uses a confused look and says "* Man you need a better way of comunication" with Ralsei giving a more Terrefied look, for he seemed to understand. He then says with a preocupied smile, and a sweat drop on his face "* (I hope you know what you're doing Kris..)") Ralsei would only remove his hat when you meet him and Susie again (Doesn't matter if it's on the Normal Route, or the Snowgrave/Weird Route) and Susie would have some extra dialogue of how Ralsei looks weirder with his hat off. Plus I have some fan names for this Weird Route: Bully Route, Mean Route, DEVILS-ROUTE, Buster Route, Worms Route, and Guard's Route (that last one is a little bit off) I tought It would also be funny to have an Enemie in Card Castle named "Worm" wich is a Worm, if you attack them, you Miss since they're very small. Their attack is digging the surface of the Box, and falling. The Digging would make small particles fall of, and all three worms attack at once. and I tought of when Lancer's on the shop, he does his little pose of when you open your Key Items menu in chapter 2, and when you buy something and Lancer says "It's on the mouse!" he shows his *TRUE FORM* (God Lancer Face) and if you decide to not buy something at the last moment, he says "It's okay! I don't fully know how buying works as well!" plus he'd give you an special armor called "Little Boy Desguise" (wich in the armor menus stays as "L. Boy Desguise") wich would have some pretty decently low defense and the armor affect of "Desguise" (this would make it sou you move slightly faster) and it's armor description would be "The Perfect Desguise to fool Clowns to make an Evil Plan for you." (Shop description would be "I Remember using this today!") If you try to equip it on Susie She would say "I'm not a cartoon villain Kris..." and if Ralsei equips it he says "If Friendship's involved in the plan..." and if Kris equips it Susie would say "WHO ARE YOU?! WHERE'S KRIS?!" and Ralsei would say "Don't wear my hood with this please." and Lancer would also sell you a Lancer Cookie in the store, with the store description of "Free for a price of 0 Dark Dollars."

[@frofellthelaffel4047]

This is a college essay

[@someoneandsomeone3251]

@@frofellthelaffel4047 at least worth to read

[@kdot5393]

@@someoneandsomeone3251 *6 minutes ago nice.*

[@reviewman72here72]

That text would be cool 😎 If I read it

[@Gustf2]

Have yall ever read a book before

[@OctoNap]

A very interesting concept! It feels like it could be official. An idea for the ending of chapter 2 I had was that Susie would be more rude towards toriel, but not overly. Maybe the show Kris and Susie watch would be more violent or something too

[@dylanzlol7293]

Susie puts HTF (Happy Tree Friends, a gore-y show) on the TV and says "I don't want to see you sleep until we see ALL the chapters!"

[@OctoNap]

@@dylanzlol7293 I don't think anyone WILL sleep after that

[@dylanzlol7293]

@@OctoNap Except Susie

[@gamerdomain6618]

I was about to ask "More violent than a kaiju movie with multiple death scene close-ups?"​but yeah, @@dylanzlol7293 gave a pretty good example of one.

[@cyonofgaia]

Easy peasy. Susie watches a show named "Last Stop" (parody of Final Destination). And she's gonna love every single gruesome moment of it.

[@fredbread2112]

Hehe, nice idea. But I find the "Make sure Susie makes the final blow." thing kinda difficult, if it were a thing. But still, nice idea.

[@SomeUser-fo6vm]

I mean it’s the same thing as the weird route in chapter 2, where Noelle has to do the final blow with ice shock, but the TP difference is major

[@blasterack]

It insta kills, so it’s basically like if u had to use snowgrave instead of ice shock in chapter 2

[@fredbread2112]

@@blasterack ah, ok.

[@SkeetontheverycoolSkeleton]

@@blasterack Ice shock insta kills with FreezeRing

[@LycanMOON]

@@SkeetontheverycoolSkeleton yes but snowgrave kill KILLs

[@CesarTorres61296]

I'm going to predict it now: Susie and Ralsei will receive their own Snowgrave-like routes in Chapters 5 and 6.

[@whiteface513abandonedchann8]

Why specifically 5 and 6? What happened to 3 and 4?

[@craftart6618]

@@whiteface513abandonedchann8 toriel and catti ?

[@sgladiator77]

@@whiteface513abandonedchann8 well it could be different characters. Plus I feel like those two being in the final two chapters will bring a more sinister ending.

[@CesarTorres61296]

@@whiteface513abandonedchann8 Because those are the Last Two Chapters before Chapter 7.

[@ButtonMasherReal]

@@whiteface513abandonedchann8 3 and 4 will be Undyne and Catti. But not Jockington, who is too pure of heart to be corrupted.

[@JoelTheParrot]

Really cool! Man, it'll be so cool when we have more than 1 chapter possible with a weird route. But also confusing. "Hey, have you seen what Sans says in Normal-Weird-Normal-Normal-Weird during Chapter 5?" "Nah, I'm still on Weird-Normal-Normal-Normal-Weird, in Chapter 3. You won't BELIEVE what Queen says!"

[@Snukkuri]

This is literally most of the Deltarune community trying to look for all the spots

[@detrilogue3174]

By Chapter 7, that would add up to 128 route permutations. It would not surprise me in the slightest if Sans had unique dialogue for all of them.

[@LiMe251]

How could you take 5 routes in chapter 3? Weird-Normal-Normal is the farthest you could actually go

[@LiMe251]

Nvm chapter 1 doesn't have a legit weird route so in chapter 3 you could only do weird-Normal

[@JoelTheParrot]

@@LiMe251 oh didn't see that the person is doing weird-normal-normal-normal-weird in the end but they're doing the normal route in chapter 3 at the time that they're speaking. (my post accidentally included chapter 1 as one with a weird route since i had just watched a whole video on chapter 1 having a weird route lol)

[@epicdudes64]

I really like this idea and genuinely wish it was in the game.

[@AdaTheWatcher]

I like the idea of corrupting someone else every chapter

[@DE23]

NOOOOO NOT CORRUPTED LANCER!!!!!!

[@UnwantedHere]

...what?

[@birdup1_2]

@@UnwantedHere what?

[@truthofdsp]

This is what we all want it's so sad

[@Bagimations]

You slightly scare me imo

[@ogmentalcomix]

Ch 1: Manipulating Susie into killing Ralsei and then killing everyone else. Ch 2: Manipulating Noelle. Ch 3: manipulating Toriel. Ch 4: idk.

[@redirectedtv9823]

@Jizinatora 69 aha

[@ArceTheTroll]

@Jizinatora 69 already done in ch3 smh smh

[@PROPLAYEN]

@@ArceTheTroll no, your irl mom

[@tonic196]

maybe catti and jockington? they had rooms in the 2nd dark world which might foreshadow them being in a dark world???

[@spectralbut]

Manipulating Papyrus

[@X-SPONGED]

I love how Seam acknowledges the futility of trying to change the ending of the game. No matter how many weird routes you do, The ending won't change because the dog said so

[@CatzRuleGaming]

I'd love to see this idea expanded upon for all future chapters that get released! Speaking of, are you going to do that?

[@Jummy]

I'm very open to continuing and probably revamping this once more chapters release!

[@CatzRuleGaming]

@@Jummy Great to hear! I'll make sure to come back to this channel...uh...whenever Toby wants to release the full game I guess. I don't know how long he's gonna take to do it.

[@heyitzmae]

i think the chapters from now on are gonna have some kind of snowgrave equivalent though

[@catsu7393]

Wait a second, I know you...

[@CatzRuleGaming]

@@catsu7393 Then you should probably subscribe

[@cybercider6620]

This sounds great! But, some of the requirements are a pretty gimmicky and easy to miss. Maybe Susie should be able to use items in the jevil fight, but she still has to deal the final blow.

[@denebkhast]

I feel like the requirements are fine as they are. You aren't really supposed to do this route, and besides going through all of those self imposed rules to prove susie's strength to jevil in order to wield both of his equpiment for maximum rude buster power would make more sense since achieving such a feat would most likely impress him enough for him to offer both of his items and aid the gang with murder just for the sake of doing it.

[@cybercider6620]

@@denebkhast I suppose you’re right, it does make more sense when you put it that way

[@tilsspunbytails7790]

@@denebkhast I'll be honest tho, at least be a little lenient with the final blow. Sure, Susie, but why only rude buster?

[@denebkhast]

@@tilsspunbytails7790 i feel that using rudebuster as a parallel to ralsei's pacify to end the fight would be more thematic to the obscurity and nature of the route, though i suppose i wouldn't mind excempting it from the requirements for the sake of some leniency for the challange. i still stand by my statement though :p

[@SpeedyCheetahCub]

Well once Jevil gets really low if you don't have enough TP for Rude Buster you can have Susie attack but then purposefully miss the attack so she doesn't do damage and accidentally kill Jevil without Rude Buster, but she also doesn't break the run by using an item or defending. Then have Kris and Ralsei defend to build TP so Susie can use Rude Buster the next turn. That way it's only 1 extra turn instead of re-trying the whole run because you messed it up.

[@undercookedsalmon]

imagine if at the end ralsei just says: STOP! Im.. im.. IM A GOOFY- *obliterates both you and susie*

[@NewSoupWiiHii]

G O O B E R

[@nozominous2956]

*ROCK*

[@Err0r_404_File]

I think her healing should "heal" -1 hp due to her violent intent. When she "heals" you it will say * You felt slightly damaged. And ralsei's dialogue will be the same just a little more concerned.

[@ExDixionconderoga]

Or how about it heals more because she’s stronger?

[@starmaker75]

This is a great idea. One thing I would like to add is that noelle is a more nervous around Susie and she genuine scared by Susie at times.

[@krisiskitsunegamer2967]

I have a different idea, instead of Susie slashing spamton, I think Noelle would still do her thing to spamton, but Susie will comment on how you could call out from so far away, as well as saying that Noelle has some fight in her, ralsei would look at spamton while falling silent before salvaging the deal maker the puppet scarf and a dark crystal. Then you would seal the fountain with whispers being heard saying “was it worth it?” And then you go back to the light world Noelle would get up and would look sad before seeing seeing Susie which she would be happy. Noelle would say that she must’ve had a terrible nightmare and that she must’ve invited you to the study session, Noelle would try to wake up berdly but to no avail, noelle would say something like "he must've knocked himself out cold", before noelle leaves she will look at kris before she drops down, susi would help noelle up and ask "what the hell is your deal?" noelle would say that she just fell and she would leave, susie would say that "noelle practicaly saved the world but she could be less clumsy" she would then go to normal dialogue, if you go to the hospital it would be the usual snowgrave dialogue but before susie opens the door, noell would cry and tell you to get away from her and then susie would open the door with noelle hugging susie with susie saying "what's your problem?" noelle would fall a bit silent and say that nothing is wrong susie would then be confused and noelle would leave only saying goodbye to susie, susie would just be confused and ask herself "what the hell just happened", if you go to Sans’s convenience store and interact with sans, he would say that you seem really harsh and will say that he dealt kids like you once and that the freezers are out of maintenance at the moment. If you go to the bunker area it would play normally at the beginning, but she would bang on the door really loud, and her threat would be replaced with ”the things that might be in there wouldn’t be as bad as what I will do to your corpses” monster kid and snowdrake would be scared, monster kid would say “she’s much more scarier, it’s almost as if she picked it up from somewhere” they would then run away, Susie would be a bit silent before saying that we should just go, the ending would be the same except Susie would actually consider calling her parents before deciding against it, and when you get to the romantic question selecting the player option would have Susie saying that she would be more like a crime gang, choosing the ralsei option would have Susie say that ralsei would be a stretch, and choosing the Noelle option would have Susie say “ I might consider it, but… I don’t think it feels right after what happened”. But besides all else the ending is the same.

[@FelipeSouza-gb7yf]

Yeah, no.

[@A200Niko]

u dont have to write an essay jesus christ man

[@ArceTheTroll]

It was all good beside the sans part , sans doesn’t deserve anymore recognition tbh

[@zhankazest]

my thought process as i read this: "Decent" "Not great but ok, good i guess" "Okay." "Uh huh..." "Not really..."

[@AlexPastGrey]

No

[@smolglitch]

i absolutely love how vivid this is. my only real problem being using devilsbuster that much when it costs so much TP could get grindy real fast, but i still think this is a very good concept.

[@Jummy]

I see what you mean for sure, but to be fair, the two enemies thing balances it out a little, and Toby has always made these "weird routes" grindy anyway! Admittedly, Snowgrave was *much* less grindy than Undertale's Genocide, though. But I'll add to my notes to perhaps make the TP cost go down at a point! Like after you reach a certain level or something. Thanks for the criticism :D

[@smolglitch]

@@Jummy I've been thinking about this concept for a little bit and I just have some things to add to it: -Just like how the thorn ring lowers ice spell TP cost, what if you could get some sort of item from Seam perhaps lowering the TP cost of "Devil spells"? You could either get this from him normally or let it be a weird route exclusive purchasable item. It might even be able to be used in crafting to craft another weird route exclusive item, just like the Twisted Sword. Now how and why Seam would sell this to you I'm unsure of, but I'm sure the idea could be expanded upon. -Alternatively, Susie could also begin to threaten Ralsei later down the line to teach her how to use Devilsbuster more effectively (lower the TP cost). This would probably occur after some miniboss, possibly a K. Round rematch at the Great Checkerboard. This would likely happen since Rouxls saw you enter the castle and literally just leave to go back to the beginning of the game and he began to grow impatient, so he brought the K. Round (w/ control crown) to surprise you at the Checkerboard. This is foreshadowed by the fact the Checkerboard will now contain an assortment of puzzles instead of ponmen and Rouxls may or may not talk to you during your puzzle-solving. After the K. Round fight (which he must be spared) Susie complains on how he could have fallen if she could use Devilsbuster more often by reducing the TP cost, ensuing the cutscene. Reluctantly, Ralsei would teach her. -Maybe, just like in Snowgrave, Susie could learn some spell exclusive to the Card Castle 15-enemy battle to take care of all 15 enemies at once. It'd probably follow something along the lines of "Dustbuster", "Rude Duster", or "Darkbuster", the latter I think being the best option as Darkners aren't confirmed to be made of dust (they're still cool spell names though). Instead of a sharp 15 enemies, though, in the battle they can be shown as some sort of large horde that combines every unique enemy's attack into one each time they attack you. Trying to pick them off with even all 3 heroes using basic attacks would take forever, and so Susie thinks of a spell. Of course, It'd cost 100% TP if you did the required things (like buying Seam's item, encouraging Ralsei to teach Susie TP efficiency, or some other alternatives). If you failed to do the required things, it'd probably cost 200% TP and attempting to use it would forward Susie to coerce Ralsei to tell him how to lower the cost, and Ralsei, extremely concerned and fed up by this point, lies that they don't know how. To prevent softlocking if you failed to meet the criteria for this battle you'd probably be able to spare the horde somehow, likely by ACTing with Kris and by apologizing or making some speech. They probably wouldn't care, but Lancer (who at this point is concerned and hasn't exactly interacted with the gang for a while), silently watching from the shadows would be overjoyed the gang would put a stop to their actions and tell the horde to back off as he does technically command them. Devil's Buster would then be forgotten and checking the Devilsknife would have flavor text stating "You can feel the Devilsknife frowning in your hands". The route would then continue as a normal route would. However, if you have done everything correctly, as mentioned earlier Darkbuster would only cost 100% TP. Using this spell would cause Susie to leap into the air with a chaotic smile as purpley-black fire is emitting from the axe's head and the entire axe is flashing from black to white. Little white particles begin getting sucked into the axe, with an animation similar to that right when Rouxls Kaard is floating in Chapter 2 after you fight him, but right before he turns to stone. The background falls completely void of anything and Susie lashes a gargantuan Devil's Buster on the horde, causing them to explode into purpley-blackness that fills the screen for like 10 seconds. After 10 seconds, a sound effect plays and a textbox appears saying "You won. Susie became stronger." before the screen cuts back to the overworld. Card Castle would likely involve Ralsei being so scared of Susie that he gets in private with Kris for a word to convince her to stop, and when the player declines (without a choice, you're locked in now) Ralsei realizes it's hopeless and abandons the party for the rest of the chapter. Regardless, checking on the Devilsknife at this point, post-Darkbuster would say something along the lines of "You can feel the Devilsknife faintly gleaming in your hands, but it is exhausted." or "IT APPEARS THE LIGHTNERS FINALLY CAUGHT THEIR PREY. UEE HEE HEE! BUT NOW I'VE GROWN TIRED, TIRED. FINISH OFF THE KINGDOM'S CAPTOR/PRISON'S WARDEN AND I SHALL REST A CENTURY MORE." With the Captor/Warden referring to the King. Lancer would enprison you once more as a last ditch effort by putting a rug in front of a giant hole he had dug (since he likes digging holes) right at the inner entrance hallway in Card Castle, which forced Kris and Susie to fall down into Susie's prison cell, and Ralsei, being the last in line, avoids the trap and has a conversation with Lancer above. When they fall down the Ruddinn who used to be in the trash can got tipped over by Susie and Kris hitting it when they fell, and the Ruddinn, completely oblivious to what they've done, opens the cell for them as a thank you before whistling and walking away. Kris would likely be unconscious from the fall and so the camera would go with Susie for now. Susie walks out of the cell, and can see Lancer and Ralsei walk out of the elevator to check on Susie and Kris, with the Ruddinn taking the elevator up. Lancer asks how Susie managed to escape his flawless trap, and then Susie is all like "Lancer, you did this!?" kind of a deal. Lancer tries escaping through the elevator but since its occupied by the Ruddinn it's unavailable, so he and Ralsei continue backing up as Susie monologues, until they hit the dead end with all the lion carts filled with the animals and prior kings. They were about to witness a show. Ralsei tries putting Susie to sleep, but the last of her chaotic energy she's using on Lancer instead of the King is too strong, even if there's very little of it left after "The Darkbuster" Incident. Through tears, Lancer begs not to and says they can still be friends like they were back then. Bad guys, together. Susie is so angry that this has happened twice (the chaotic energy not helping, either) that she is unconvincable. Lancer attacks her, but Ralsei says not to as he's just feeding her TP. Lancer is so terrified however he thinks it's necessary to stop Susie. After enough TP, Susie unleashes a Devilsbuster upon Lancer, and...

[@smolglitch]

Well, the rest is up to you. Is the chaotic energy too weak to kill Lancer, but severely wound and scar him? Does it kill him? Does Ralsei form a protective Fluffy Guard last second with all his energy, saving Lancer but leaving Ralsei exhausted? How would this affect Chapter 2? Regardless, I think Ralsei would end up putting Susie to sleep since now she's thoroughly exhausted with no more chaotic energy left. Kris would wake up soon later, with nobody in sight. Interacting with the Kings in the prison cells would just have an ellipsis with terrified expressions. Interacting with the lion cages would have them with their eyes closed, smiling, saying "Innocent boys are fast asleep," a reference to Snowgrave. Walking through the empty halls, you'll find Ralsei cowering. Traumatized, but relieved Kris wasn't at least a serial killer, so Ralsei tags along with Kris. Depending on preference, King could either be on the roof with a veangance for his dead son, or because Lancer was warning him up there believing Kris was evil too (if you think he should have lived). Regardless the fight wouldn't happen as either Ralsei would tell Lancer to tell the King that Kris and Ralsei aren't the evil ones and that you don't have a kingdom to fight anymore. King would proceed to break down into tears, with Ralsei and Lancer attempting to comfort him. If you believe Lancer should have died, King would stand at the roof with a veangance, on the verge of tears, but Ralsei would put him to sleep, believing there was too much bloodshed today. We don't need a King brawl. -Then Starwalker jumps in as the Angel from the Prophecy and stares at the screen, slashing with his Starblades doing 9999 damage to Player- Since I like the idea of having the secret bosses be the mandatory final boss of weird routes, Jevil would probably fly in as a Devilsknife, escaping from Susie's sleepy clutches in the basement, and crashes the party. King, still fast asleep, and Ralsei, who left to drag Susie to the roof to make sure she arrives home when the Fountain is sealed, leaves Kris alone up there with Jevil. If you think Lancer should have survived, Lancer and Ralsei would bring King down to his throne room to talk. Jevil would go on about why wasn't the King dead, and how he's attacking Kris instead of Susie since he'd "never hurt an unarmed soldier" (since he WAS Susie's weapon). Jevil would continue about how you misguided Susie into hurting an innocent child, and a battle would ensue. Since you've already fought Jevil before to get onto the route, he'd have substancially different attacks and would also be balanced for the 1 on 1 battle. The background of the fight would be Card Castle, and you're circling the Fountain on a little merry-go-round horse in the air, with Jevil floating. Circling closer to the Fountain itself, and a part of the background, would be a few rings of the ducks he uses in his carousel attacks, which would occasionally pop up to be used as bullets in his attacks. Upon defeating Jevil (you can't spare him) he becomes truly exhausted, as not only is he now fully deprived of chaotic energy but he has physically became exhausted too. Jevil realizes you're too strong to take down even solo and so he turns back into a Devilsknife, and falls to the ground offscreen. When the whole illusion of the merry-go-round ends and you're back on the roof, Ralsei appears and accompanies you to the Fountain. If you decide to check outside Card Castle (you can leave it by hugging the wall in the corridor with the hole in it, since it doesn't block the whole hallway. It should be noted that on your way out, the King is not in the throne room, and, if you think Lancer should have survived, he isn't either), you'll find a Devilsknife laying on the pathway. You can choose to pick it up but this could influence further chapters as the Devilsknife will likely be the only secret boss weird route obtainable item (hinted by the fact you can't get the scarf or glasses from snowgrave spamton). Not sure about the whole Jevil as a mandatory boss gig, but I still like the idea. p.s. the reason I said "if you think Lancer should have survived, then [X] will happen instead" is cause having Lancer die in a route like this is probably extremely controversial, but it'd be fair if he isn't gonna be a major part in any future chapters. just throwing both situations out there!

[@smolglitch]

you can tell i went a little off the rails when writing this but i had a lot of fun lol, hope you like some of my ideas

[@Zonic3451]

@@smolglitch It's not told to you, but you do in fact get the puppet scarf after defeating snowgrave Spamton NEO. You just aren't able to use it 'cause you're in the light world/closet dark world.

[@sgtpuncake4655]

Imagine the Noelle + Susie team synergies they could do in later chapters! like Noelle empowering Susie's axe with ice, and she gets to use like Snow Buster/Frost Buster/Blizzard Buster whatever you wanna call it. Eventually in chapters, i imagine you having a full team of "tainted" or "corrupted" versions of characters where you guys are so OP and murder everything, however if you somehow cause the roaring to happen, its the only way to beat the titans, with your stupidly powerful team. This is something that Chiken thought of at the end of his video about "How To Do The WORST Snowgrave / Weird Route In DELTARUNE". Its cool to think about, but i mean it just makes you feel like a horrible person at the end of the day lol

[@Missingno_Miner]

I do want to point out a couple of problems with this: First, unlike the canon weird route, there is no chance whatsoever that this could be stumbled upon accidentally, because nobody is realistically going to go all the way back to the great door and then go all the way back without using the fast travel. It's a lot more walking compared to heading back to the trash zone, and you could conceivably do it:The first people who discovered it supposedly started it by accident due to forgetting an item in the trash zone while happening to freeze darkners along the way, before going into the files to find out how to continue it. Even if people accidentally beat Jevil in the required way, they would assume it only went as far as that, especially if they spread the items between several members(Giving the Jevilstail to Kris or Ralsei, probably the latter because of the magic buff.), which presumably would not unlock Devil's Buster. Second, getting both of Jevil's items would be quite overpowered. So people could do it up until beating Jevil, getting both items, and then abort the route by going directly to King, continuing with two of the best items in the game rather than one, with no consequences.

[@Jummy]

These are some good points! I'll almost certainly update the route when I continue the concept for future chapters, and these are good things to keep in mind for that. But, one small defense- I probably should have made this more clear, but using fast travel doesn't kill the run, I just said to not use it because there are enemies in most rooms, and fast traveling will skip those necessary enemies.

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@Jummy The problem isn't inherently the lack of fast travel, but expecting people to randomly decide not to use it to be able to find the route by accident.

[@Jummy]

@@Missingno_Miner Fair!

[@issyryan6227]

Why did you make an essay

[@edef1244]

I mean, if you abort Snowgrave you can still keep thorn ring if you keep going until a certain point

[@EP1CxEMAN08]

3:23 So _that's_ why using Snowgrave on enemies other than Berdly makes enemies turn red and disintegrate.

[@EP1CxEMAN08]

I just watched a video that shows that the enemies turning to red dust was actually an unused animation in Chapter 1, so my joke comment completely lost any credibility it had. (Or maybe it gained some? honestly, it's hard to tell.)

[@thatonecrimsonecho]

This, among Chapter 3 "Leaks," is by far the coolest Deltarune concept I've ever seen. I hope you make more concepts like this, as I'd genuinely enjoy them! PS, if you were able to assemble a small team of coders or something, I’d be very willing to put in money to play the game that results from it.

[@fansee1368]

I still want to see this as a fan game Chapter 1 is in serious need for an alternate route, doing No-Mercy run from the start can get pretty boring

[@AlmondTheGuy]

most of the things in the old classroom would disappear showing that they have really died and another thing is susie not being able to unequip the jevilsknife and tail when trying to remove or replace them, susie would say: "useless now."

[@factualopinion8849]

I imagine another detail would be when you wake up in the storage closet where the first Dark World takes place, there is flavour text depicting destruction and carnage with some cards being "Tattered beyond usage" the checker pieces "Cracked into shards" or Seam's plush "Oddly smiling" to add to the reflected chaos you and Susie have wrecked upon.

[@kingofcrap4414]

Omigosh, I love this video so much! Creating alternate concepts about Deltarune is so much fun! I hope you don't mind if I wrote my own personal take on the route. Don't get the wrong idea, I don't think yours is bad by any means, I just wanted to do some brainstorming myself! WARNING: This comment is extremely long! -Play Chapter 1 as normal right up until the point when Ralsei asks you to warn enemies about Susie's attacks. At this point, ignore the "Warn" option entirely and attack every monster you find. Selecting the "Warn" option, sparing any enemy, or bypassing any enemy will render the route void. -As you make your way to and through the chess board, Susie will make little comments about what a great battle partner you are, and Ralsei will make little comments about how you and Susie are acting "a little aggressive." -Right before the K. Round boss fight, Ralsei will approach you nervously to tell you that he's concerned about your and Susie's violent behavior, and how worried he is that "we may not be able to get a happy ending" if things continue this way. He offers that, during this next fight, you at least attempt to try a more peaceful solution. There are two options in response, "I'm sorry" or "This is what I want." -Selecting "I'm sorry" will render the route void. Ralsei will cheer up and accept your apology, and Chapter 1 will go back to normal. -Selecting "This is what I want" is the only way to continue the route. Upon selecting this option, Kris will aggressively step closer towards Ralsei. With a terrified look on his face, Ralsei will say "O-oh... I-I see..." before shutting up entirely. -Once K. Round attacks you, check the ACT menu to find that "Warn" has been replaced with "Encourage." Selecting "Encourage" will cause the text to read, "Kris encouraged Susie to keep attacking! Susie's attack greatly increased!" Susie's attacks will deal much more damage, causing K. Round to actually flee the battle after enough hits, something which normally isn't possible. Ending the K. Round battle this way is required for the route to continue. -Once the fight is over, Lancer will say, "Wow!! You clowns really ARE heroes!! I've never seen it look so scared before!!" Impressed, Lancer will offer to let Susie join his side, but Susie will decline to stay with her "battle partner" Kris. Susie will stay in your party for the whole time when she would normally be with Lancer, and the upcoming scenes will now just be Lancer on his own. -A couple of miscellaneous changes will occur from this point onwards. First, Kris' title will change to "Battle Partner: Encourages their partner to keep attacking." Susie's title will change to "Battle Partner: Loves the pleasure of combat." Susie gains a new trait, "Excitement," which will increase steadily as the route continues. -Second, in battle, Susie will now be the one who listens to your commands, and Ralsei will be the one who disobeys. Every time it's Ralsei's turn, it will say, "Ralsei tried to warn the enemies about Kris and Susie! ...but he was too scared to make the words come out." -Third, the encounter monsters will run away from you instead of towards you, just like in Snowgrave. -Fourth, all of the NPCs will be completely gone. - Fifth, the sprites for the party members during will go through some minor changes. Susie will look more excited and happy, Kris will be pointing their finger at the enemies, and Ralsei will look more scared and fearful. -Use Kris to Encourage and Susie to attack as you make your way through the forest, and make sure to get every single encounter. -(Optional) Backtrack to Seam at this point and talk to him to get some new dialogue about how terrified the other monsters are by your violent actions. For his part, Seam isn't scared at all and ends his talk with "Well, if this is really the path you want to take, then go on! But don't say I didn't warn you, ha ha ha..." -Susie and Lancer will never become friends, and Susie will act aggressive and violent towards Lancer during the cutscenes when they would normally be goofing off together. Quite a tonal shift, isn't it? :) -The multi-pathed forest will not have Lancer in it, and you'll have to guess the correct path yourself, with Susie becoming frustrated every time you choose wrong. Continue to attack every enemy you find. -In the room with the Thrash Machine, it will end up only half-finished as Lancer was working on his own and didn't have time to build the whole thing. Susie then promptly destroys it. She then attacks Lancer as well, causing him to flee. The Lancer + Susie fight that happens in the normal route is skipped. -At this point, Ralsei will comment on how "It doesn't really feel like we're doing the right thing anymore..." and fades away, turning into just a pile of clothes on the ground. Susie will comment, "He only got in our way anyway, right Kris?" At this point, it is impossible to back out of this route. -In the room where you would normally walk down the path with Lancer, Susie instead spends this time talking to Kris, telling them how exciting all this combat has been and how she feels "a rush of energy" whenever they get into another battle. The only lame thing about it is that the monsters keep running away before she can finish them off, and with a freaky look on her face, comments on how "fun" it would be to get to slice them in half. -Instead of the scene with the guards capturing you, you and Susie just enter the castle normally. The door to the next floor is blocked off by a giant magic spade placed by Roulx Karrd, forcing you to go into the elevator instead. The only floor on the elevator's list is the ??? floor. -Talk to Jevil and he will tell you how he can feel "THE VIOLENCE ASTIRRING IN YOUR HEARTS," so strong that even "YOUR LOYAL, LOYAL COMPANION COULDN'T BEAR IT" (referring to Ralsei.) Just to cause "A LITTLE EXTRA CHAOS," he offers to help you, and a treasure chest falls to the ground next to you. Opening it will reveal a new item, "DevilsAxe," with the description, "Can slice anything in half." Its ATTACK power is "9999." You must equip it to Susie to continue past the first floor of the castle. (It's not possible to actually repair his key and open the door, as Mallius has disappeared along with the rest of the NPCs by the time you would have been able to fix it.) -Equipping the DevilsAxe to Susie will cause her to respond with, "Feels just right in my hands..." -Attacking the Card Castle enemies at this point will cause you to discover that you can now slice them in half in one hit. The battle sprite for Susie has also changed to make her look more psychopathic, with red eyes and a snarling mouth. At this point, Susie's Excitement trait gets replaced by a new trait, "Rage," which is up to 9999. Every time you kill an enemy, the text will read, "YOU WON! Susie became more aggressive." There are far more enemies on each floor than there would be normally. -(Optional) If you don't kill the enemies straight away, they will have stronger attacks and dialogue talking about how they must defend the rest of the monsters from your wrath by defeating you. -All of the rooms have been blocked off by Roulx Karrd to try and stop you. Susie just slices through with her axe and continues on, though. Once you get to the rematch with K. Round, Roulx's dialogue will be different, telling you how much in chaos the kingdom is, but how confident he is that this creature will stop you. Then, Roulx will be hailed as the hero of the kingdom! Of course, before the fight can even start, Susie slices K. Round in half immediately. The terrifed Roulx begs you to spare his life, pledging his allegiance to you, only for Susie to slice him in half as well. -The cutscene with the King goes very differently, as Lancer frantically warns his father about the incredibly violent Lightners that have broken into the castle. He is interrupted by Susie slashing at him, which he only barely manages to dodge, causing Lancer to run away for his life. King is royally pissed off about what you've done to his kingdom and for nearly killing his son. Thus begins a significantly harder King fight with all new attacks, with a difficulty level around the same as Jevil's fight in the normal route. Trying to attack will only result in King blocking Susie's axe. -Kris and Susie's "Talk" act gets replaced with a new act, "Empower" which heals their partner by 50 HP and increases their attack. -Finally, King falls to his knees, too tired to go on. He gives a speech about how his kingdom has been ruined, and that he was right all along to despise and distrust Lightners. With a darkly ironic smile on his face, he comments on how at least his subjects have learned their lesson now. Susie attacks and slices King in half, causing the entire Dark World to be eradicated without a ruler to keep it going. -Kris and Susie wake back up in the Light World again. With a happy smile on her face, Susie comments on how exciting that was and hopes they'll be able to find another Dark World tomorrow. -Checking your KEY ITEMS at this point will cause you to find the item "Dark Remnant," with the description, "The remnants of a world you destroyed. You have collected (1) thus far." Well, this was fun to write! I really hope you like this alternative take on the idea! Like I said before, this is not meant to be an attack on your ideas by any means, and I hope you know that I really enjoyed the video! This was only meant to be me nerding out for a full 2 hours straight lmao!

[@dylanzlol7293]

and the Ch2 changes of both Snowgrave and Normal run?

[@m1seryf0nt40]

This is a great concept of your own, I love it! I wonder how this far this would affect chapter 2…?

[@goofygoof9907]

@@m1seryf0nt40 honestly by how they described this chapter 2 would probably skip the town scene altogether seeing as you destroyed the dark world, scene with Ralsei would just be you and Susie interacting with her explaining to you how fun this is and new attacks she wants to try out and thanking you for the fun there having, she might even try attacking noelle before recognizing them, every encounter with the queen would have Susie instantly trying to attack her with the Queen dodging the attack or maybe shocking Susie, Susie will just be end the Sweet Cap'n Cakes gang, the roller coaster fight with berdly would probably be the same except with some new dialogue, the scene where you fall down to the junkyard with Susie might have two different outcomes with either Susie with a hurt knee for the rest of the chapter which might Susie unable to use her weapon to its fullest extent which might be possible nerf to her or she just jump of the junk with no damage whatsoever to show how much stronger she is, in the scene where you split off you’ll still split off as normal with Susie saying “I’m going to see what I can do on my own” then you will meet up with noelle and then snowgrave goes on like normal maybe some scenes showing the destruction that Susie is doing on her own, in Queen castle it’s exactly the same as the snowgrave route just with no ralsie and a very violent Susie on the GIGA Queen fight maybe you and Susie will into the robot to destroy it on the inside with end of battle with Susie destroying Queen, Susie will probably still go to check on noelle so spamton neo is the same, the end of the spamton neo fight it will go the same except with you calling both Susie and noelle at the same time with spamton saying something about calling for your damaged allies won’t help you before getting destroyed by both Susie and noelle and after that Susie will talk to you saying how you got noelle into the fun with noelle in the background being mortified and then it will continue as the same as the snowgrave route only Susie being more excited and you gaining the another Dark Remains

[@richardgibson8403]

so would lancer appear in an antagonistic (ie, “ey you killed by dad, uncool, I’ll kill you”) role in later chapters or does he just cease to be

[@bigchungus897]

@@richardgibson8403 I think that Lancer would be a final boss of future chapters

[@poggersbro5505]

Tho i like the concept, there's some things i dont like: -You have to backtrack to the beggining just to kill the 1 rudinn, sure its suppose to be like SG, but atleast in SG Noelle says something new, while in this one theres no new dialogue -Seam being evil, tho Seam is not yet to be revealed to be evil or nice, him being evil and wanting to destroy the world feels off

[@Jummy]

Yeah, the Rudin thing could have perhaps used a little more work, but as for Seam, that line about the world ending is from the actual game! I seriously doubt he's evil, though. Here's the original dialogue: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5Kkp6aYntR6hKs

[@frezomereseraphim9164]

@@Jummy Maybe it should be killing everything on the way BACK to the great door, then it seems like maybe the Rudin is trying to escape through it

[@lasagna3289]

???? Seam being evil? Did you mean Jevil?

[@farbencut]

If I made the route: 1. Defeat everyone with violence. 2. When susie were to leave the party to join lancer, she’s like: But whoa, it’s lancer, I think I’ll stick around with you guys. I mean you do be killing anyways. Also if you keep killing I might even listen to you Kris. 3. From that point on, you can also command susie. The areas will be empty, the Susie and lancer cutscenes skipped. Still, when arriving at card castle, You get caught and brought to jail. 4. Susie destroys the Cell with her axe, and she will then meet lancer just outside. The battle will happen like normal, however, She will kill/Very badly injure lancer. She will then go to release Kris and Ralsei. 5. From there on, the Card castle will be normal, except Roulxs Puzzles will not be there as well as any NPC you normally Talk to 6. When fighting the king and winning with violence, He will be knocked down of the Castle and presumably die. 7. When you go to seal the fountain, Ralsei just says bye and takes of his hat. 8: In Chapter 2, when the town gets expanded, No one will be there and every building will be closed. What makes the route different to chapter 2 is that Susie is willingly doing it instead of us manipulating her. Also, for the entire rest of the games, susie will never reveal her eyes.

[@edef1244]

Yeah, as sad as it is, it would be interesting if she actually injured Lancer. It would also play a nice parallel to Noelle : She did what she did to Berdley out of obedience and nothing else, but Susie does it in a fit of rage.

[@lasagna3289]

That Jevil dialogue is so realistic. The “Hiding music” sounds so much like something Toby would say

[@shampoo.bottles]

this is insanely good

[@mariahs6]

Very interesting concept! I like how you tied Jevil into it just like how Spamton NEO appears in Snowgrave! I hope you’ll do this for future chapters!

[@DandyDoondin]

''Devilbuster, obliterates, *only works on 2 people when close together.* '' Oh god i know whats going to happen

[@lamb6549]

The first playtrhough, i thought that by not letting Susie act and spare, she would have gotten enraged and so the alternative route would have been unlocked.

[@Edu_Gamer-cu8tx]

I've seen people say that the red sprite + disintegration effect is because when using snowgrave on regular enemies, they use the "next" death animation, which will be used by our new party member's special attack in chapter 3

[@aresrivera9744]

I believe this information was present since chapter 1

[@dailysacrificedoublee]

In terms of lore, Susie kinda can’t kill anyone, having a destiny like Kris and Ralsei, which is why we had to use Noelle to kill this time, but if that did work it could pretty well play out like this.

[@velboi3823]

​@Pacicide Jane theory

[@awesomesofar5963]

one thing I'd wanna add to this is that Susie ends up killing King, and Lancer's devestated reaction to it. it would be the ultimate proof that thanks to your encouragement, she chose her violent tendencies over her friends - exactly the opposite of the choice she made in the normal route, where she stopped her violent tendencies for the sake of Lancer. I really love the idea of Ralsei stopping susie, though, so I wish you could incorporate them both. Edit: now that I think about it, since Ch. 2's weird route had an alternate final boss... what if after Susie kills the King, Lancer ends up absorbing his soul in a fruitless attempt to keep it from disappearing? and it gives him the power to finish what his father started by becoming the chapter's final boss. out of regret for not listening to him when he said all lightners were evil.

[@mokodomi]

this is actually really good :0

[@dylanzlol7293]

what about, Susie kills the king, and then Ralsei puts her to sleep, then Lancer comes in, sees his dad's corpse and starts crying, Ralsei lies to Lancer telling him he's just asleep, which calms Lancer down, yet makes him feel "like some egg juice" according to his words, and then Lancer goes back to his room, and Ralsei tells Kris to go seal the fountain, and so Kris is forced to go forward, trying to go back will result in "No need to think about it.", then after that everything from the vid that happens after Kris leaves the DW still happens, except there's no King, if we were to add a final boss, it oculd be the Devilsknife and Jevilstail coming from the other room, and then it turns back into Jevil, and Jevil tells you he had fun, and wants to have even more of it, then thinks about making this a hobby to do everyday, but first he suggests a little 1v1 because he felt like the other battle was "boring", so he decided to do a harder duel, with more chaos, new attacks, and etc, etc. of course you'd have the X-Slash option, and once you murder Jevil, he will accept this defeat as valid, and turns back into the Devilsknife and the Jevilstail, thus, allowing you to close the fountain in peace

[@cantmakeacreativename2072]

I think the problem with this is that obviously, the King and Lancer are important for the rest of the game. Think of Queen in the Weird Route. She remains alive despite everyone else pretty much being dead. This implies she’s gonna be used somewhere else at some point. We even see this idea happen with Lancer. Who helps Kris escape their room units. He wouldn’t do that if he was truly devastated, nor would he even come with them in the first place. And if I’m being honest, I think Lancer being blissfully ignorant and following Kris thinking they’re a good friend is worse then what could’ve happened.

[@bublaoplayer5885]

These videos are amazing, keep it up!

[@Rudy137]

bro it actually seems so real that if you didin't say what you said at the beggining I would belive you lmao

[@cqmboe]

Damn, amazing idea! If I knew how to code, I would try to make a fan game off of this.

[@ghastlymitten4427]

Can I just say that Devil Buster seems like perfect name for an attack, especially for Susie!

[@sylinder__2633]

this route could be called the "Devil Route"

[@caprin.7471]

carnage route

[@spongeintheshoe]

Devil's Buster Route

[@manbus3253]

@@spongeintheshoe the route to end all routes

[@spongeintheshoe]

@@manbus3253 Or begin them, since it's the first chapter.

[@manbus3253]

@@spongeintheshoe ah yeah that makes sense,

[@buddyy31]

This was honestly really cool, and it kinda makes me hope that there’s a weird route for each chapter, great job :)

[@TakeWalker]

what a cool way to format a fanwork :) the verisimilitude is high with this one, cool stuff!

[@dr.bright4198]

This video is so great, where do i even start? Dialogue? Original and its something that seems official, the idea of the weird route? Genuinely incredible, you narration? ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC you capture the suspense and despair in your voice so good it feels like a creepypasta. It honestly feels like a genocide route of deltarune, also in the town since you've killed everyone, it shouldn't be in a good state since no one really can maintain it since ralsei alone couldn't, the slide where you ejter the city should have like a stair that cant be climbed, and the text "they're afraid of you", lancer should be the only one with a room in the castle since now ralsei is kinda hesitant about kris and susie being there for long and ralsei wouldn't let you get inside the castle rooms and wont make a cake

[@Peppy2975]

making this a mod would honestly make me really happy, I've always had a weird fascination with the genocide routes, this would be interesting

[@Sealysleepy]

this fits so much with jevil's chaotic nature, like he is literally causing chaos by disrupting the linear path of the story..

[@annabelle5182]

I love the idea of what you do in the previous chapter having a massive effect on the next one. And not just with town members and items and stuff. Like for example, if we do the a snowgrave route in chapter 2 going forward Berdly will be either dead or in a coma. If we don't save him during the queen fight and he has to save himself, his arm/wing will be permanently paralyzed, even in other chapters. I really hope this is the way Deltarune is going, and not just "Oh, there's multiple paths but only one is canonical to the story"

[@Bagimations]

You nailed tobys dialogue, jokes, and flavour text, to a tee

[@dylanzlol7293]

Chapter 1: Susie being violent Chapter 2: Noelle kills Berdly Chapter 3: Toriel kills Undyne Chapter 4: Asgore kills the mayor (Noelle's mom) Chapter 5: Rudy dies because of his illness. Chapter 6: ??? Chapter 7: Noelle goes insane from everything she went through, when Asriel comes, he sees that a lot of people died this week. Kris probably goes insane from all the power they got, similar to the secret bosses that are all insane

[@SqwimpyTF]

I feel like if you did do every single weird route in a row Ralsei would be the final boss of chapter 7

[@bocobipbrookiebradgaming7838]

Like I would imagine it would be that he puts everyone else to sleep but himself and kris and places them in cages. Then he would try to reason with Kris,trying to make them see reason or to understand why he did all of this,but in vain. And then the fight would start,and he would be as CHEAP AND CHEATY as possible to make the fight hard

[@treesimp6686]

i like the idea, but maybe make it easier to do the route? jevil is actually really hard to do even NORMALLY, so maybe, you locate a certain hidden item (like the key fragments) and equip it onto susie, then the route plays as normal, and going off this comment, if you were to go to jevil, you would find 2 chests, 1 containing the devilstail and one containing the devilsknife, once you grab one of them, the other chest disapears, and you will fight a sort of weakened jevil. however the diferences are, jevil attacks around 2.5x faster, immunity frames are disabled, but he only deals 3-5damage per attack, defeating him after this with the devilsbuster you will get the other item and maximizes the potential with the devilsbuster

[@yeeyt464]

right, the requirements to follow this route is WAY too specific

[@Novaliod]

Or even better, instead of fighting King you actually fight Jevil automatically, just like Spamton. So instead of getting an item, you just fight Jevil anyway. When you beat him Susie takes both of the Jevil items all of her own volition. But that might discard the impact of the King fight so idk

[@Integrous_Melodies]

@@Novaliod i feel like king would help jevil almost like he's using jevil as a guard.

[@gamerdomain6618]

@@yeeyt464 Well, then the original route in chapter two needs you to • Get halfway through the game • Backtrack to a door you wouldn't even know exists if you were playing without external knowledge • Use one specific spell to freeze enemies, which some people would never even see once in their natural playthrough • Buy a ring using a very specific series of options part 1 • Skip two puzzles with talk-no-jutsu (evil version) • Buy a ring using a very specific series of options part 1997 and, most importantly, • Put the chicken tenders in the freezer so I don't see why the chapter 1 Devils Buster route wouldn't be at least relatively cryptic.

[@yeeyt464]

@@gamerdomain6618 all of them dont seem that cryptic, just the back tracking one seems to confuse me. Other than that they seem normal (granted its not something a player would stumble upon, they defo a guide to do it). Though is much more cryptic and not in the good way either

[@emsiyes]

This concept is absolutely amazing, if it were to be added I bet a lot of lore would come out

[@doodoo2065]

I always loved these alternate concepts and possible routes. In fact that is what RLLY got me into Undertale. I knew about the game thanks to some covers, but got into it due to the Disbelief Papyrus animation by Flames at Games. It is so funny cuz i watched that even before watching an actual genocide route in the game lol. Now i rlly want a mod on this concept, so sad that its not happening due to it being more of a route than an actual fight, which is good, but creating such fangame would have some legal issues.

[@dylanzlol7293]

Toby fox is okay with fangames, there's a lot of them already

[@charmycharmcharms698]

What if you went with the weird route in chapter 1, but went normal in chapter 2? Are you just locked in Weird? if you arent, what changes do you think there will be? I can picture this as Kris treating Susie as a weapon, but shielding Noelle from the brutality.

[@MattPixelSpriteMaster]

I can imagine if you do normal in chapter 2 after doing weird in chapter 1, I can imagine her still being sinister, but slightly more aggressive throughout the 2nd chapter. Maybe towards the end of the Cyber World, Susie would become less aggressive and maybe even show her eyes after working together with the gang to beat Queen and agreeing with everyone to create a fountain before Ralsei tells everyone about the Titans.

[@glacticgames8735]

essentially make your team a bunch of rabid animals with you as their master? sounds like a op team

[@aidanhammans9337]

I imagine the King’s Guard battle(the one after the massacre) would have the enemies saying stuff like “We saw what you did.” “We saw you killing everyone in the kingdom.” “You will pay for your cruel acts.” “You won’t get to King, We’ll stop you first.” Also I think K Round should appear for a second, but show a sprite of fear, then run off to somewhere unknown. And we should have at least a mention of Roulxs Karrd, such as a note mentioning he quits due to the scary situation.

[@lonebattledroid4474]

A few suggestions are if you use Jevil Buster in the King fight, rather than disintegrating King, it'll destroy his Cape. After that, King will realize he can't fight you and will become frightened. He'll surrender and try to sue for peace, then Susie will attack him. Ralsie will stop her and tells King to run. Susie loses it and blasts Ralsie away (he's not dead just blasted off-screen. Susie will decide that you're a traitor too and you'll enter a boss fight against her. I'd make it similar to Jevil's fight but axed-themed and the music is Vs. Susie instead. The fight will end with you calling for Ralsie and he'll use pacify to put Susie to sleep. Then you seal the fountain. Then after the fountain is sealed in Chapter 2 when you're exploring with Susie, all of her dialogue is more aggressive and crueler. Like if you visit the Hospital, after Rudy says, "Lay a finger on her and I'll kick your ***", Susie will respond at first staring blankly at him, then snarling and thinking, "I'd like to see you try." Then when she's with Toriel she doesn't act awkward, but colder and more distant.

[@dylanzlol7293]

how about the theme changes into some original battle music that uses Vs. Susie and The World Revolving as main motifs?

[@LightsaberDuelz]

I really love this idea! My only suggestion would maybe be to start this before the Susie vs Lancer fight, or skip it, alter it, something. Because Susie’s character development really cuts back on her violent tendencies, and I doubt she’d be willing to do all that after making that connection with Lancer. However, I must say that I really do like how, knowing that Susie can completely resist our control, you encourage her violent tendencies instead of using manipulation and intimidation like we do on Noelle. Overall, love the idea!

[@glyphicgames7591]

Lancers dialogue is completely on character for him. Good job on all of this!

[@TheAdvertisement]

I think the fact that there's no weird route in Ch1 definitely has something to do with Susie's innate ability to resist our control over the party. It'd be interesting to see what comes of that.

[@TheAdvertisement]

@Flyin' Steve Nah Toby's had this game planned for a while. I doubt he decided to add a whole new route without planning it out first.

[@TheAdvertisement]

@@bruhmanofyear2647 Toby has never said this, you made that up lol.

[@TheAdvertisement]

@@bruhmanofyear2647 I have researched this. I know for a fact Toby has never said this, and that you are a liar.

[@reborn2856]

This is wonderful, ABSOLUTELY wonderful. Only thing i would've changed though is that against Spamton NEO both Noelle AND Susie would've come to finish him off... You should probably remember about this video, and make a sequel when chapters 3, 4 and 5 come out, i would love to see what happens next...

[@TJ__Ghost]

Devil's grave *Beyond fatal* "Wh@t Kris? After all your [[jackass stunts]] you think they're going to listen to you?! (Spamton laugh) Dont be a [[clown]] kris... Hehe umm is something funny here or is it just me? And [[holy Cungadero]] it's cold in h- Cut to black Attack lands Spamton laughing Attack lands 10 more times Soul interacts with the fountain

[@solarfreeze9032]

This is really well done. Hope to see more stuff from you 👍

[@SpectralNapper]

This is a really good concept and idea for that. Id love for that to be chapter 1s weird route

[@JaafarTheToon]

THIS IS SO GOOD! It's so fateful! Ah I wouldn't mind attempting making a animation of this, if you allow me to. Like this is actually amazing! Good job!

[@Jummy]

If you want to, by all means go ahead! :D

[@JaafarTheToon]

@@Jummy This is such a exciting idea!

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

Ooo chills. That was an amazing concept for a chapter 1 weird route.

[@superpapaextreme9064]

I'm gonna do my own concept. This time Ralsei will be the one you manipulate. So, here is the guide. How you fight Lancer/the Dummy doesn't matter. You can't warn C. Round about Susie. As long as Ralsei is in your party, you can only attack enemies. Clear out all the enemies in the areas, as long as they are all defeated through violence. You have to clear all the enemies in all the areas. You will have to beat K. Round normally. At first, the dialouge goes normally, Susie becomes a bad guy and what not, but then instead of saying be kind to Susie and that she'll come around, it's a bit different. Ralsei: But, um... Kris, at the same time, haven't we been a bit violent too? Ralsei: We attacked a lot of troops too, didn't we? Ralsei: Kris, are you sure we aren't being a little too violent? Prompt: "Yeah, we should be nicer" or "It's normal To continue the run, you must choose "It's normal" Ralsei: ..? Ralsei: So, are you saying Susie's way of dealing with enemies is how it should be done? Ralsei: ... Ralsei: Well, either way, I trust your judgement, Kris! When you get to the bale sale, Lancer, Susie, and the other NPC's will be missing. Continue fighting all the enemies violently until they are all gone. Ralsei: Good job, Kris! I think that was all the enemies! Ralsei: (I-I've just been doing what Kris has been saying, and...) Ralsei: (I.. I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing, but...) Ralsei: (I feel like I'm getting stronger, emotionally...) Ralsei: (And it's even kind of... fun?) Ralsei: (Maybe I was wrong to call out Susie for her violence...) Ralsei: (Maybe I was just too weak to realize that kindness isn't always the answer...) Ralsei: (It doesn't matter, I should just keep doing what Kris tells me to do.) Ralsei: What should we do next, Kris? After that, you need to backtrack to Seam's shop. (Note: the doors still work as usual) You have to choose to talk to him. Seam: I've noticed you two have been out causing a bit of chaos. Seam: Not that that matters to me. I really don't care what you're doing out there. Seam: Huh? Do I have anything useful? Seam: ... Seam: Well, if you really want to embark on this sadistic path, I suppose I do. Seam: But it'll cost you something. Seam: Find my a ShadowCrystal, and I will give you what you're looking for. Seam: To get one, you'll have to go down to the Card Castle's very bottom floor. Seam: There, you will find a strange clown behind bars. Seam: You must collect three pieces of a key, and get someone to fix them. Seam: I will give you the first. You get the first piece. Seam: The second can be found using a secret path in the bottom middle one of the sets of paper dolls. That one being the smallest. Seam: The final piece is behind a row of spikes that require you to solve a puzzle. Seam: Unfortunately, I do not remember the solution. Seam: Unlock his cell, defeat him, and bring me that ShadowCrystal. Seam: You will also recieve a weapon from him. Seam: Then I might have something to give to you. Something that will empower that weapon. Exit his shop. Ralsei: Umm... Kris? Are you sure this is a good idea? Ralsei: I'm not completely sure about this... Option: "Ralsei will help me" or "It's a bad idea You must choose "Ralsei will help me" Ralsei: H-huh? Ralsei: ... Ralsei: (Well, if Kris says we should do it...) Ralsei: (Then I should trust them, right?) Ralsei: Alright, Kris, maybe we'll even find some more enemies along the way! Head over to the puzzle that gets you the first piece of the key. (You must attack and defeat Rabbick down there. They don't count towards getting rid of the enemies in that area at first) Ralsei: Alright, Kris! How should we solve the puzzle? Option: "I'll solve it" or "Ralsei will do it" Choose "Ralsei will do it" Ralsei: Huh? But... I don't know the answer! Option: "Sorry, I'll do it" or "Ralsei will do it" Ralsei: B-but... K-Kris! Same option and pick it again Ralsei: ... Screen cuts to black. Puzzle is solved. Ralsei: H-huh? How did I...? Ralsei: (I solved it...somehow...) Ralsei: (What was I thinking? Kris has shown me multiple times that they know what they're doing.) Ralsei: (I... I won't doubt them anymore.) Ralsei: Alright Kris! Get that second piece! Get the piece of the key. Go have Malius fix the key. Head to Card Castle. You will find Lancer and Susie standing in front of it. They won't notice you. Lancer: This is my Dad's castle! Lancer: I eat, sleep, and dig lots of holes here! Susie: Cool, but where the *heck* are Kris and Ralsei. Lancer: You mean toothpaste boy and the blue person? Susie: Yeah, where have they been? Lancer: They should be headed here to seal the DARK FOUNTAIN! Lancer: My dad wants them dead, because he hates Lighteners and... Lancer: Wait, Susie, aren't you a Lightner too? Susie: Uhhh... yeah. Lancer: Well, I'm... I'm... sure I can convince him to let you go! Susie: Let's just go in already! You then enter Card Castle as well. There are no enemies or NPCs anywhere. You can steal from Rouxls' shop. Go down to the basement. Jevil: UEE HEE HEE. YOUVE BEEN BUSY, BUSY, CAUSING CHAOS, CHAOS. Jevil: I SEE, SEE, YOU HAVE THE KEY, KEY. Jevil: LETS JUST CUT TO THE CHASE, SHALL WE? Open it like normal. Ralsei: Alright, Kris, let's defeat him and get that ShadowCrystal! Jevil: SO YOU WANT TO FIGHT, FIGHT. Jevil: UEE HEE HEE, IF I WERE TO DEFEAT YOU, I WOULD STOP A CHAOS FROM COMMENCING. Jevil: I CANNOT LET SUCH A WONDER BE HALTED. Jevil: SO TAKE ME, AND DO YOUR STRONGEST! You get the ShadowCrystal and Devilsknife. Go back to Seam and talk to him. Ahh... It appears you have collected that ShadowCrystal. You give it to him (it is automatically done) Now, l shall fuse that knife with this scarf of mine. (You got DevilsScarf.) Exit the shop. It is no longer too evil for Ralsei. Equip it to him. In the spot where you would normally fight King, you run into Lancer and Susie. Lancer: Hmm... I thought my dad would be here. Ralsei: Hey, Kris... is that Lancer and Susie? Susie: Huh? Susie: Oh, there you guys are! Lancer: Hiya, clowns! Ralsei: So, should we fight them? Susie: Uhhhh.....? Ralsei: They're in our way. Ralsei: So I should attack them right. (You ordered Ralsei to use DEVILSHOCK on the enemy!) Ralsei severely hurts Lancer. Lancer: Ow... Susie: Lancer! Are you ok? Lancer: I... I don't have much HP left... Susie: I'll take care of this! Run! Lancer runs away. Ralsei: I guess I should do that to Susie too, right? Susie: I...I won't let you hurt Lancer! A fight with Susie begins. Her attacks are very difficult. Eventually, Ralsei uses DevilsShock enough times, and Susie is about to die. Susie: W-why, Kris? Susie: Why would you do this to us... Susie dies. Ralsei: I think that took care of them, Kris! Ralsei: Now let's go seal the fountain! They go and seal the fountain. Susie isn't at school when they get back. Everything else is the same.

[@DeltaBlazin]

I shall call this route *"Devil's Route"*

[@MaxDaDwarf]

Stolen

[@somerandomguy844]

The End of Spamton NEO has you call for Susie once, and then call for both. This will have an animation play out with the normal Iceshock SFX, then DevilBuster immediately after. Susie comments about Kris “really being useless on your own, huh?” and Noelle saying that neither of them would have been able to make it this far without them. Kris then seals up the Dark fountain, but things don’t go as they do normally even still. Rather, I think Susie and Noelle would run off together near-immediately, Susie citing that they have some “unfinished business” from the dark world with a smirk. Noelle is noticeably embarrassed but neither of them notice the “unconscious” Berdly. Noelle can’t be found at her father’s bedside, and he asks if Kris has seen her. No dialogue options are available, and Kris stays silent. He makes a comment on Kris giving him a cold shoulder, laughs awkwardly, and the interaction ends with an ellipses and an uncomfortable look on the face, which is all it shows on repeat interactions. Susie ends up joining you at the house nonetheless, saying Noelle chased her out to continue the group project. She makes a passing comment on “maybe inviting her with us next time…” but this doesn’t result in any changes to Chapter 3. Noelle’s monologue at the end also probably has some line about “I need to get stronger, like Susie,” or something but I can’t think of it.

[@sf936]

Considering that Toby mentioned that the next chapters' cost will take in count as if you were also buying chapter1 & 2, I can see some sort of weird route to be implemented in that version, if not when ch6&7 come out whether together or separate, perhaps similar to Undertale and even more expanded in this game, a new game could end up giving you the chance of new dialogue or even choices aswell.

[@AshtonSnapp]

“Due to the almond milk, Sweet Cap’n Cakes are still invincible” brand new sentence

[@GatesOfAvalon1]

Imagine beating jevil but not getting the special dialogue because you missed one enemy, then having to reset the game and play through everything again, beating jevil again as well

[@yikesforever7611]

I imagine there would have been a cancel route sound effect like snowgrave if you accidentally fight Jevil early

[@Praecantetia]

I love how we're theory/fiction crafting about the other chapters the same way people were theory crafting about mew under the Truck

[@parvitz]

I'm imagining that then CH3 Weird Route will involve letting yourself get hurt at the battles and Toriel killing enemies by herself instead.

[@dtime3214]

Even though it's been a year since this was posted, my problem with this concept was that this takes place after Susie realizes how her actions affect others (lancer especially) so having her attack and even kill would be counter productive to Susie's new way of thinking and would most likely have her disobey once more for the right thing. (Why would she promise lancer that she wouldn't kill his dad and instead would talk to him if she is gonna kill others along with how this concept is supposed to end with Susie attempting to murder the king)

[@sfvmexe]

Imagine if Sans has special dialogue in this version of chapter 2, giving Susie some cryptic warnings like he did in Undertale, with said warnings falling on deaf ears, with her thinking he's only bluffing. *"What're you going to do? Throw bones at me? Besides, what do you know about what I've been doing lately?"* She might say. Might be a fun little detail to include.

[@stern_kus]

It's really good concept, I like how you even added ch2 changes, it would be interesting to see such route in game!

[@Aubreyiz]

Can't wait to see what your take for this would be if it effected chapter 3-5... I hope it's neat

[@atlashasregrets]

this is actually so cool, and at the end the “just call me, got it?” really hit it for me. good job on this concept !!!

[@saydance19]

i would love to see this in-game/animated!!

[@Xyz404e]

This is actually a really amazing concept, it's like the next evolution of Susie's violent behavior. I also like the fact that the "Consequences" carry over in ch2 so player feel the effect of what they did. However, now I'm thinking about some changes I could make to that concept. Not saying yours is bad, more like this is how I would do it. - Everything remains mostly the same with a few tweaks such as: -Devil Buster would be a 2-turn attack with the first being used to charge it up and the second turn Susie automatically attacks, slicing all enemies on the screen with the devilsknife. (Unsure if I would do this since the number to enemies may need to be adjusted) -The first time Susie uses Devil Buster would be a one turn cutscene (like snowgrave) - At some point (or over time) Susie's dark world sprite changes to look more devilish: Some part of her hair spike up like horns, red eyes and aura, her ax could also change to the devilsknife. Her light world one would look normal with slight hints to her dark form. -When ralsei heal her in ch2, her sprite would go back to normal but would change when she uses devil buster for a turn or two (or until she's healed) In this "Devil mode" she would constantly attack and use rude/devil buster when she can (Ralsei would warn you of this beforehand) That's all I got for the "Xyz cut" so far, let me know what you think.

[@eduardojose981]

Very nice

[@picoultimate7707]

14:44 Your special dialogue for Spamton made me laugh.

[@amalgamousgoat6217]

This is a fun presentation style for this kind of idea! Great video.

[@GenTheFurredArtist]

This feels like a thing that could run throughout the whole game if you did it right. Pretty much a full genocide.

[@danhatter6823]

For the Snowgrave Spamton fight, since you have to call Noelle for three more turns, allow me to propose some dialogue by Spamton. “THAT’S WHAT I [thot]! YOU BROKE YOUR [Hochi Mama]’S [[Assets]]!!!!! YOU LOST IT WHEN YOU TRIED TO GO SO FAR YOU DREMPT YOU WOULD!!!” “AND THAT [dinosaur from our imagination]! YOU HAD HER [breek] THEM [2]!!! AINT THAT [[horrific]]?!?!” “AND NOW IM THE ONE [[On top of the world, ay]]!!! HOW YOU LIKE THEM [oranges]?!?!” *insert laughter*

[@RainyAfterThoughts]

I LOVE THIS CONECPT AMAZING JOB

[@tysondennis1016]

My idea is that not all chapters will have weird routes, as Toby would totally trick fans into going on a wild goose chase for an secret route that turns out doesn't even exist. Maybe the code, with impossible activation methods, in order to troll dataminers. And the Weird Routes could be lighter than the main routes, maybe the next Weird Route will have a significantly more lighthearted plot than Snowgrave, maybe feeling less like a creepypasta and more like a fix fic. Whatever happens, the Weird Routes will feel like they're fanmade, and be quite out of reach of normal playthroughs. Anyways, if that Weird Route was real, I'd call it "Devil Route." What I'd fix will be that instead of disintegrating into blood, killed enemies have a slash over them that bleeds and oozes, and their corpses litter the overworld, similar to the frozen victims of Noelle's kill spree. Or, maybe Toby seemingly retroactively adds the route, but if you try to access it, Susie breaks down crying when she kills her first enemy, and Devil Buster is made inaccessible. Or he actually does it. With Spamton NEO, him dead from Devil Buster, he's cut to pieces, which fall to the ground, while with Snowgrave, he tries to fly up, but Noelle's attack freezes him, and his strings snap, then he shatters against the ground.

[@picoultimate7707]

6:01 Ah, kind of like "Chapter 1 All-Stars", to put it another way.