Monsters Still Turn To Dust - A Scientific Refutation

[@axolotlfairy2473]

My personal concept is that monsters still have magic, but either: A. It's FAR weaker in the light world than it is in the dark world, so Noelle's comment could be referring to knowing strong enough healing magic and Toriel using the stove could be because she can't get her fire hot enough B. Monsters have forgotten how to use magic for the most part like how humans seemingly forgot or lost the ability to in Undertale, and the Dark World somehow re-awakens that latent ability in them

[@scorchthetorchic9457]

A counterpoint to the 3 monsters using magic in the Dark World: they all play RPGs. Noelle plays the game with her dad, Susie mentions that she plays a game in the basement of Queen's mansion, and Berdly is Berdly. It could just be that they all go "Magic is real here? Let me try that thing from that game I played." and it works. As for Queen downloading her ultimate attack, she could just be copying an attack from some in-universe online game.

[@ryanthecringeanimator9541]

Well Queen IS a Computer so- Queen's Ultimate Attack that failed could've been all Cyber World Darkner's Attacks combined into 1 Mega Attack but failed because Queen isn't connected to the internet

[@Yuti640]

Noelle does have IceShock in her game she plays with her dad

[@R0-83-RT]

Does Kris not play Super Smashing Fighters, and the Game with the Green Dinosaur, which is a parody of Super Mario World? Though I do now realize the irony that Kris purposefully dropped the green dinosaur/Yoshi, mistreating a game character, meanwhile we as the player can mistreat Kris.

[@fullsun2236]

at least Berdly and Noelle wouldn't even have to question the existence of magic in the dark world because they think it's all a dream, and in dreams anything is possible right? Though this logic could apply to Kris and Susie since they're all known to play videogames. I'm guessing in the future if the theories are right and we get an episode with Jockington and Catty in the dark world, Catty would know how to control magic since she's interested in the occult. I'm not sure if Jockington plays videogames or occult stuff so idk if he would know how to control magic.

[@fullsun2236]

@@R0-83-RT yup Kris is interested in games and they've played AT LEAST those 2 since they're only mentioned by Alvin and Berdly but there's more games under Asriel's bed

[@Yuti640]

About the magic: It’s actually pretty likely that monster’s just don’t know how to use magic outside of the Dark World, since they don’t know what the soul actually does (as shown in the chapter 2 upstairs library) while in Undertale, it’s common knowledge

[@assrieldreamer8044]

To be fair, we only had access to 1/3 of the 2nd floor library so it could be possible that they already know.

[@Palladiumavoid]

It's love it's about magic We stay under you stay over

[@Herbert-west-re-animator]

@@assrieldreamer8044 I mean the book states "the true nature of the soul is unknown." So unless the next book says "jk actually we do know" i doubt it

[@utopian4769]

Magic is something that's already practiced by some, but it might not mean that everyone is capable of it. Or some may even deem it nonsense so they don't even bother to try. I remember watching a vid the other day where this dude showed that someone apparently is teaching Noelle "protection" spells. So it's not like the idea of magic isn't known.

[@krazyivan9733]

Yo, I've got some info you might like. It may be that Toriel does not use her Fire Magic instead of her Oven For ONE SINGLE REASON: She's getting older, and her magic is fading. Toriel and Asgore's firstborn child, Asriel is STILL ALIVE, and has been growing up since he was born, and now he is college aged. In Undertale, Gerson states that Boss Monsters are a special case, when it comes to having children: The "SOUL power", flows from the parents to the child, as the child ages. In Undertale, when Asriel is dead, Toriel and Asgore have stopped aging, but if you compare Undertale to Deltarune, Toriel is very clearly OLDER than she appears to be in Undertale, evidenced by her going from only needing reading glasses to wearing glasses at almost all times. Her eyesight is degrading with age, age which is caused by her SOUL power flowing into Asriel. It's stated in Undertale that because Monster's are made of magic, their bodies are attuned to their SOUL's. From this we can infer that the strength of a Monster's SOUL determines how strong both their body and magical abilities are, and because Boss Monster's SOUL's flow into their child, both the bodies AND magic of the parent's degrade over time, while the child's magical abilities and body get stronger until the parents die. So just as Toriel's Eyesight is degrading, so is her fire magic degrading.

[@leritykay8911]

My own theory: "Everybody Bleeds" is just a common line that Susie heard from popular media, and used it even if it doesn't apply to her. A lot of phrases kinda lose their initial meaning. Like, we still say "Set Sail" about boats that don't even have sail. Things like "burn the midnight oil" are very outdated phrases that still get used.

[@jarydgrobler9526]

But where on monster television would they hear something like that?

[@philltheotherguy1868]

@@jarydgrobler9526 they could have access to human television.

[@leritykay8911]

@@jarydgrobler9526 Well, Susie does mention that there are both Giant Monster Movies, and Giant Human movies. And Toriel has both gingerbread humans and gingerbread monsters So I think both Human stuff and Monster stuff is in pop culture

[@plates7245]

I don't know, that takes complicated by the fact Susie has unused sprites of her bleeding. That said they're likely unused for a reason so who knows.

[@leritykay8911]

@@plates7245 Yeah. Remember, toby fox got himself a development team to make chapter 2 So somebody probably made that animation, and toby said "nah, that contradicts canon

[@alexanderhamilton1026]

I actually have an additional theory! I think Susie MIGHT have been serious when she said EVERYBODY Bleeds...BUT, I think that in the context of Monsters being mostly magic, and when they die, their magic vanishes, I think if they get a deep enough wound, without kicking the bucket, they might leak, or "Bleed" raw magic

[@CharaViolet]

Makes perfect sense, considering monsters also sweat magic bullets (Aaron) and cry magic bullets (Napstablook)

[@juicebox3495]

This is a stretch- but sans bleeds a bit before presumably dying as you level up in the genocide, meaning some monsters could have 'blood' but it's made of magic.

[@Barakon]

@@juicebox3495 so raw magic is the same hue as blood?

[@juicebox3495]

@@Barakon That's not what I was trying to say I think(did comment a while ago), that's what Alexander said. I said that some monsters could have blood that is made up of magic just like the rest of their body, not that magic is blood colored(red).

[@pennyisdreadful]

@@juicebox3495 i still think sans might be a human turned into a skeleton or something because of that scene. nobody else bleeds not even toriel or undyne and they both get visibly cut, as does flowey.

[@assrieldreamer8044]

I think I can explain why Susie didn't turn into dust in her down state. Remember what Queen said before the Giga Queen battle? She brought up the topic of Determination saying that it is needed in order to create new Dark Fountains and only Lightners have that power. Berdly almost made one (stopped by ralsei), and Kris made one without the power of the soul, thus meaning that Determination is not limited to human souls anymore unlike in Undertale. If this "Determination" Queen refers to has some of the same properties like the one in Undertale, then it would make sense as to why Susie still persisted to live during her down state while Ralsei simply just disappears.

[@nethowarrior3294]

That would also explain the mechanic of healing 10 HP a turn when you're downed.

[@sheogorath6834]

Undyne turn to dust when she dies, in every run. Neither Kris, Susie, nor Ralsei are dead if their HP is below 0 (not while one of the three is standing anyway). Otherwise, they wouldn't regain hp every turn.

[@pudimjogando1198]

I think she is just knocked out

[@jarydgrobler9526]

@@pudimjogando1198 that honestly makes the most sense. The party is just knocked out when their JP reaches 0, but once all party members are down the enemy can just kill them easily which is why we get a game over.

[@omegahaxors9-11]

All monsters have DT since it's said that Monster souls must contain all traits, while only Human souls can lack traits or specialize in others.

[@beeves_6925]

doesn’t kris’s room in the queens palace have a thing that was spawned from kris’s search “how to use magic”? i thought that was supposed to be because kris saw asriel/asgore/toriel using magic and they felt jealous

[@sheogorath6834]

Or because they studied occult with Catti.

[@BlueSoulGamer]

Dark magic could be a thing, and maybe that’s how Kris can make fountains. Edit: To counter queen’s speculation on determination, if anyone could use it, why has only one person used it at all? If we could just be determined and ‘poof’ there we go we have a fountain, then the dark fountains would be everywhere. Clearly there’s another piece of information to it that we are missing, and I believe it’s that dark magic is required.

[@beeves_6925]

@@Kaszalotka_ eh, it feels to significant to be linked to an occult joke that was only mentioned once or twice

[@philltheotherguy1868]

@@beeves_6925 it’s in the same room as a repeated bath bomb joke, there isn’t any reason to believe that it is important

[@dweebicusmaximus]

@@BlueSoulGamer I assume most people don't stab the ground with the will to create a portal to a different world they don't know exists, just me though

[@fferthe]

The thing is, Flowey _isn't_ a monster, nor a human, which is why he doesn't turn to dust or melt while using determination. To add what was said about healing items - healing magic does work on humans, and Toriel healing Frisk during Flowey's encounter proves that. It's unknown what happens to Ralsei when he's downed, but the trio definitely doesn't die upon HP depletion of some, but not all, members. After beating King, he doesn't turn to dust. Something else I wanna say is that, upon defeating Asgore, he doesn't turn to dust either, only when Flowey comes in and lands the final blow. Even though I don't feel like this is somehow connected to everything mentioned previously, this could be a nice point to remember. Gerson combined with the situation of monsters and magic are good points. Though, Susie talking about turning someone to dust doesn't strike as literal.

[@Gnidel]

I have a theory that Flowey is technically Darkner. Inanimate object that started living after being exposed to Denermination. Some determination from Fountains only lets Darkners live in Dark Worlds, while a lot of Determination lets them live in Light World as well. And once he gets souls, he becomes a Titan.

[@nethowarrior3294]

Asgore is a boss monster, so he takes more time to turn to dust, including his soul. Toriel also has extended dialogue after her HP hits zero.

[@fferthe]

@@nethowarrior3294 I know of that, he just didn't look that damaged like Undyne or Toriel, probably because of his armour.

[@fferthe]

@@Gnidel That's quite a stretch, the nature of Dark Worlds is currently a mystery, and at the moment we don't have much details, but what we do know is that they're created from a Fountain and are directly connected to Light World's surroundings of the location it's opened in. How would he get into Undertale, anyway?

[@sheogorath6834]

This is because Asgore does not lose all of his HP, he still has some left at the end of the fight. It turns to dust if we finish it, or if Flowey comes to steal the kill.

[@SollidnitrogeN]

Regarding the magic refutations: I have a 5th one. We see exactly one instance of magic mentioned in the light world. And that's Catti. The thing is that the way it's described is much more aligned with our world's occult/superstitious interpretation of magic. less-so creating constructed bullets, and more-so changing fate, or circumstance slightly. Good fortune, protection spells, stuff like that. It's very well possible that monsters are still made of magic, but that magic works completely differently.

[@Error-yk8cf]

i think being downed is more similar to being unconscious rather than dead, as in chapter two, when you receive the game over screen, either Ralsei or Susie encourage you to go on.

[@silentsmiles7159]

My own input: monsters still have organs and such, they're just made out of magic. Monsters can eat human food in undertale, implying that they have this. Monsters also sweat, and get out of breath. Sans and Toriel bleed, even if you believe that what's coming from his chest is ketchup, he's definitely bleeding from the mouth. To me, this means that monsters are kinda like bugs, in that they have things that act like blood, but isn't actually blood. Guess I'm actually in the middle, huh?

[@moonhall]

Actually in Undertale monsters food is magic, and gets intantly converted into energy

[@askywalker6712]

I just run with the idea that monsters have blood and turn to dust, making Susie’s blood and dust comments both true. Blood mostly isn’t shown because it doesn’t need to be (think genocide Undyne, yea she’s got a huge slice through her body, but the blood doesn’t need to be shown, It just feels more important for Sans). Also wouldn’t Susie’s down sprite just be a ‘fallen down’ state, like she’s not dead but she’s not exactly well enough to stand ether.

[@nethowarrior3294]

There's an unused sprite of Susie bleeding which got cut for obvious reasons.

[@Darvoth]

Don’t they say that monsters don’t bleed in Undertale because their bodies aren’t physical but instead magical?

[@Cruxin]

Nah. 99% sure they explicitly, in text, say that monsters don't have blood or bleed in Undertale, and something really fucked is just going on with Sans

[@Tammythemouse]

you know, i feel like we should just like... NOT trust susie to give us info about stuff, maybe in chapter 1 it was okay cause we still didn't know much about her but here's the thing in chapter 2 she shows she isn't really the smartest monster, i mean she drinks apple scented shampoo, actually has to look up if a hardboiled egg can hatch (this also sorta assumes that maybe susie wasn't trying to be mean to temmie? maybe she legit just didn't want temmie to be disappointed but just said it in a rude way or maybe temmie took it the wrong way), eats a lot of weird stuff (as seen from her fridge, seems to think you can get banned from outside of school, drinks random alleyway milk, think toriel is steal flour from her own bag of flour some other points from chapter 1 is how she can't come up with a design for the trash machine and makes you do it, doesn't know how to do puzzles even when they're pretty simple and have the answer on top of them i think it would be safe to assume she either heard about blood from a like science lesson or maybe just from media and just like.... sorta thought it was a thing everyone had and didn't question it

[@lpfan4491]

Her not trying to be mean about the egg is actually a key part of her story. She became aggressive because everyone avoided her, not the other way around. Everyone just assumes everything she does or says is bad.

[@pablogamerx8462]

Ok, Susie may be right into what she says that everybody bleeds. So, monsters have a physical form in Deltarune, so, even though determination works differently in Deltarune, we never get a counter-evidence to that monsters don't have a physical form. Monsters turn to dust when they die, yes, but before they die they might be able to bleed, and then, when they die, they turn to dust. And also, they don't bleed blood, they bleed something different. Then, the monster saying "Does it hurt to be made out of blood?" could be right, just that monsters don't have blood, they have something different, just as insects on the real world, for example, have something similar to blood, but not exactly it.

[@Gnidel]

Maybe Sussie is just uneducated and never really hurt anyone.

[@SuperTenienteMantequilla]

@@Gnidel Actually this does more sense

[@creeperYT9824]

@@Gnidel or susie joined this town not long ago and in the place she lives before there were more humans in the town

[@NyanMango]

@@Gnidel I find it hard to believe someone can make it through childhood without bleeding, even if they’re a character in a video game. Never having seen or heard of the monster equivalent of blood at age 14-18... It’s more likely that “blood” is just an umbrella term for the inner liquids of both humans and monsters in this world,

[@DogsRNice]

Joke theory Susie is actually a monster in the traditional sense and not the undertale kind and actually bleeds

[@DragonEnthusiast]

Susie probably just said “Gets crushed into dust.” To spell it out that they are going to kill you. It’s common knowledge to monsters that humans don’t become dust when they die. I’m going to write that off as, for intimidation purposes.

[@chongwillson972]

@PErson and technically you can crush humans to dust just requires ALOT of force to do...

[@DragonEnthusiast]

@@chongwillson972 I know that’s the point!

[@andrew_cunningham]

Ah, finally, someone who understands that the only correct approach to Deltarune theorycrafting is the dry scientific rigor of an organic chemistry dissertation. Your work is appreciated. My thoughts, though: The narration attached to Toriel's stovetop comes across as very deliberate to me. It's a one-to-one parallel to Undertale that was specifically subverted to imply a change in the lore. The apartment bunny's line about blood is also very pointed. Contrast this with the lines of interest from Susie, which both fit the role of generic one-liners that she might have absorbed from watching too many action movies, and I think it's safest to assume that these lines were written with the intent of reinforcing Susie's character rather than dropping worldbuilding hints. Of course, it's not impossible for dialogue to be character-driven while also delivering exposition, but in this case I just don't see it. I know it's usually a bad idea to ground an Undertale/Deltarune interpretation in the assumption that Toby is a big dummy, but I really think a lot of the lore-jank around how monsters work in Deltarune versus Undertale stems from Toby starting to occasionally take his own worldbuilding for granted, or at least to not be as hyper-aware of it as the fandom hivemind. I have a hunch that the properties of monsters in Undertale were originally envisioned in the context of what are now called the "darkners" in Deltarune (since Deltarune was, of course, prototyped before Undertale), and then the whole concept of a "non-human race who are made of dust and use magic etc." was ported over to Undertale as the "monsters" once Toby's focus shifted. He made a comment on the Fangamer stream that basically confirmed that Deltarune's overworld was originally supposed to be populated with humans, but that he abandoned that idea and went back to an all-monster cast since having humans everywhere just felt too weird after Undertale. So now we're basically stuck in this confusing paradigm where darkners are the equivalent of monsters in Undertale, but monsters still exist as re-skinned humans, but ALSO monsters still have some vestigial traits that carried over from Undertale (eg. being made of dust) because Toby got used to thinking about them in a certain way and didn't want to ret-con more than necessary.

[@rattyeely]

Yeah, lightener monsters are basically treated like humans

[@WonderfulLizardOfOz]

I'm inclined to think much more highly of Toby than this comment suggests, but I do think this comment is immensely valuable for illustrating the "null hypothesis" here, a Doylist explanation for the properties of monsters in Deltarune that assumes no particular shocking future lore twists. My own pet theory, which I'm relatively committed to at this point, is relatively similar but with one key caveat: I think that by and large, the individual monsters in Deltarune who return from Undertale were always supposed to appear in Deltarune in the same roles they appear in in the final game, it's just that they were originally supposed to be human versions of their Undertale selves. For example, I believe in an earlier draft of Deltarune, the mother character who woke up Kris was probably supposed to be a human Toriel, a character who's named Toriel and acts like Toriel but is a human. I believe Toby abandoned this paradigm for several reasons, not least of which was that it made the ultimate direction of the plot - Hometown is consumed by Darkness and becomes Undertale - too immediately obvious. As a final point, and one I believe I've seen brought up before but in a different context - have you ever noticed that Asgore's battle sprites look weirdly human? Like, in a way obviously and inexplicably contrasting with his overworld sprites?

[@mrnerd3143]

6:46 healing spells clearly work on humans, as shown by vegetoid, toriel, and woshua.

[@theukon-dos7271]

One other thing that I haven't seen noted yet is that, outside of Noelle thinking about healing magic, there are only 2 references to magic in the light world. The first is in Kris' room in queen's mansion. In it, Queen put a book called "Jongler's guide to Jongling and other tricks". (Yes I know this is in the dark world, but I count it because Kris made the search that Queen found in the Light World) And the second is in the library epilogue, where you can find "A book about Magic Tricks. Most of them require orbs or floating hands". Notice how both of these books specify that they're tricks. Not actual magic. While The second line of dialog for the library book does support Monsters still having bodies made of magic, the fact that the books are teaching magic tricks and not, y'know, actual magic, does support the idea that Monsters can't do magic like they can in Undertale.

[@Fexxis_]

About magic, doesn't Noelle think the dark world is a dream? I'd certainly do odd things in a dream

[@EP1CxEMAN08]

Noelle only thinks this after Susie tells her. Noelle can use magic in the dark world before then.

[@fishbot9902]

Another point for monsters knowing magic is the how to use magic book that Kris apparently search up and Noelle claiming that she doesn't know snowgrave and warning against spells she doesn't know hinting that she previously knew sleep mist heal prayer and iceshock

[@roadkillwaffle9847]

I think monsters in Deltarune probably don't turn to dust because the distinction between Humans and Monsters doesn't seem to matter that much, with Lightners/Darkners taking it's place, and with Spamton implying all Lightners have a soul (or at least a more powerful one) and using Snowgrave on normal enemies (Darkners) turning them to dust implying Darkners turn to dust on death the way Monsters did in Undertale, I think it's safe to assume ALL Lightners have powerful souls, and don't turn to dust, not just humans. (Still don't have an explanation for why Ralsei disappears leaving his clothes when he's downed but we don't really have an explanation for anything going on with him so ehhhh)

[@R0-83-RT]

I thought Monsters have souls too, it is just that monster souls are so weak they usually automatically fade when a monster is killed. Boss Monsters however are powerful enough for their souls to persist for a bit.

[@roadkillwaffle9847]

@@R0-83-RT Yeah I know, I didn't say they didn't?

[@R0-83-RT]

@@roadkillwaffle9847My bad, I misinterpreted you saying "All Lighters have a soul" as a juxtaposition position where this would previously not be the case.

[@jinxsterr_Dispenser3741]

i think the point of lightner souls here is that it turns them into a real thing, allowing them to come to the light world

[@CalvinNoire]

@@jinxsterr_Dispenser3741 so if a darkner has a light world soul that would mean that they can go to the light world? Is that what you are Implying?

[@R0-83-RT]

I also think it is notable that Kris doesn't use magic in the Dark World, and only gains a Magic stat with the Jevil's tail or other secret Boss items. (I'm not sure if they all have this effect) Even in this case these objects are implied to have the will of the secret Bosses. Plus Kris still is incapable of performing any Magic even with the stat added. So, the question becomes "If Monsters are only able to use magic because they're in the dark world, why can't Kris?" This implies there is a bit of an inate difference between Monsters and Humans.

[@Gnidel]

Monsters couldn't ACT until Sussie decided that they can. Maybe it could be the same with Magic.

[@R0-83-RT]

Always a possibility, we won't know for sure until the full game is released. Still seems odd they would omit Magic from Kris so long, if they're are capable of it.

[@Crust_Crease]

Act- Do various things. Isn't magic. Kris looks up how to do magic. There is a book in the librarby about magic. Correct me if I'm wrong I'm typing all of this based off my shitty memory...

[@Palladiumavoid]

Humans cant EXPRESS rgemself with magic but they can use it still

[@dimentio9833]

kris has X Slash which is a move that costs tp and could count as "magic"

[@maxaffleck7651]

Something I noticed in the Snowgrave route is that, when pressured to cast the spell 'Snowgrave', she says this. "... Fine! You want to see what happens so bad? Watch what happens when I cast a spell I don't know!" This heavily implies that she has cast a spell she doesn't know before, and since she doesn't seem to have trouble with 'Iceshock', we can rule that out as being said spell. This leaves the only place she could have cast a spell to be the light world, and it appears to have had terrible consequences, as she is hesitant to cast a spell she does not know. It appears to have been traumatic to her and is most likely why she doesn't cast spells all of the time in the light world. That's just an idea for evidence on the monsters using magic. Just an idea though.

[@Teebyzmal]

gotta say, been seeing more and mroe of your content, and I love how you approach these videos

[@patrioticwhitemail9119]

*your soul shines upon [Susie/Ralsie]. Susie doesn't turn to dust because she is mouching off Kris' determination, and likewise, we instantly re-materialize Ralsie.

[@RomanGamerYT0]

2:04 They don't contradict, crushing to dust is just a common phrase.

[@pennyisdreadful]

so is everything bleeds. in fact ive heard that more than the former

[@RomanGamerYT0]

​@@pennyisdreadful "everything bleeds" would be abnormal for someone that doesnt bleed to say, but you can crush anything to dust

[@jackpopp7166]

Also, I don't know if it can be considered healing magic, since you don't OUTRIGHT see it, but in Undertale you DO get magically healed twice. Once when Toriel saves you from Flowey, and another when Flowey is getting ready to become Asriel for the final fight. Both times, Toriel immediately says something, and appears (or wakes up in the second case). So I think it IS possible that healing magic works on humans as well, but like you said, only heals injury, not illness. Just thought I'd point that out in case someone tried to use it to annoy you lol. Nice vid btw, I have to say that was pretty detailed and well made, unlike some on similar topics.

[@brilliant_Potato]

I just wanted to add that in the death animation, (used when killing any darkner with Snowgrave) darkners turn to dust. In the animation they also turn red, so it may actually mean that darkers HAVE blood.

[@oyungogdfrust4136]

humans - blood but no dust monsters - dust but no blood darkners - dust and blood

[@uppishcub1617]

Snowgrave freezes it's victim to death. So it might be that the "red dust" is actually frozen blood from the dead darkener.

[@alderayie9187]

Okay susie saying "gets crushed into dust" doesn't mean that humans turn to dust when they are dead,instead it refers to destruction/damage specifically vaporisation type of damage (vaporisation is when something is destroyed/broken apart to the point that it vanishes into dust) Susie isn't saying that humans turn to dust when they die as a natural part of human body she is just saying "I'm going to beat you up so bad that your body breaks apart into dust!" She is just being edgy It's ironic how you get angry over people saying that monster bleed just because Susie said "everyone bleed" which is an understandable misunderstanding But then you misunderstood the "gets crushed into dust" lime thinking that Susie are saying that humans turn to dust when they die,even though that it's more obvious that it could mean things other than that

[@Blackern5000]

Literally what he said

[@_sarq]

if toby actually goes with the "monsters bleed" thing (which is unlikely) i'm really hoping it's saved for some fucked up snowgrave-type shit later on and never used anywhere else.

[@ravio5868]

I feel the "getting crushed to dust" argument is pretty weak, given that it could simply be a figure of speech. Like getting creamed, or "you're toast". As for the asking Kris if it hurts being made of blood, we don't see that monster. They could be a ghost or an elemental for instance.

[@pennyisdreadful]

i think he used that to point out how dumb taking the saying "everybody bleeds" seriously is

[@Kaisebon]

Pretty sure that the monster that's talking is the small rabbit looking out the window the floor above the door. But without them moving as they talk, I guess that it's hard to say without a doubt.

[@yanchukcha9748]

You know how Undyne can use Determination and is ridiculously strong? Susie is, too, way stronger than Kris... and has that unused bleeding sprite. What if she's similarly unique in being an unusually physical monster, and uses that "everybody bleeds" line because she doesn't know better? As a side thought, that could also be the reason for what seems to be going on with her avoiding her parents, because they might be viewing her as kind of a freak, but this kind of contradicts itself. As for Toriel not using fire magic to cook - she has glasses. She's probably just getting old, which never happened in Undertale because boss monsters don't age unless they're raising a child.

[@glitchwolf1384]

I might as well spitball some ideas: Magic likely takes training to use, something like a bullet pattern you could learn in school (though likely isn't taught outside of maybe some self-defense classes in certain places), at least for monsters. Since they have magic as an innate part of them, they can use it far easier than humans. In Deltarune, therefore, magic is probably something a monster would study in college, whereas in Undertale, knowing that they were all under threat, and without the issue of having humans that can't do it around, every child was probably taught at least the basics of magic from a very young age. Humans, on the other hand, at least in undertale, have been shown to be able to use magic, but it requires intense training (likely) or the use of a relic to channel it for them (more likely). After all, it was 7 humans who used *magic* to seal the monsters in the underground. That means that for Deltarune its quite likely that magic is far more of a higher learning thing, even if monsters are naturally adept at it. Therefore, a monster in the dark world, where reality is looser and things reflect real world objects, would be able to utilize their internal magic in order to use attacks and such. Its the same reason why items and clothing change to better reflect the bearer, a monster can just... utilize a little bit of magic. Also, as for Susie's comments, I'd like to address both: Everybody bleeds - Could very well be true, we haven't seen a monster be injured in that world, it could very well be the case that they bleed magic, or something. It could also be that way in undertale but just wasn't included due to not wanting a million more sprites. Crush you into dust - That doesn't even have to be a monsters dust thing, that's literally a phrase in the real world and humans don't turn to dust when killed. It just means to completely obliterate someone. Susie would definitely know that meaning.

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

the thing about flowey, is he lacks a soul, he doesn't melt or turn to dust because he lacks a human OR monster soul, he gained the ability to SAVE and LOAD from the determination injected into him, but never actually gained access to a SOUL. he's a weird exception. he's a flower with asriel's dust and chara's determination. flowey is not a monster, he is an emotionless sentient plant with asriels memories. something that makes me believe that monsters no longer turn to dust, is when ralsei dies, he vaporizes, but when Susie or noelle die, they just fall down. the fact that ralsei vaporizes means that when a character is at 0 hp, it means they probably seriously die, but have the ability to revive one another. even if the death isn't permanent, if ralsei vaporizes when downed, it doesn't make sense that monsters don't turn to dust when fallen even temporary. the only darkner who can get to 0 hp, and doesn't flee is ralsei, and considering he turns to nothing just makes it feel like its not just "fainting" but actual temporary death. another thing, is "Bleed" doesn't necessarily have to be blood. its the most common version of bleeding, but any form of substance leaking out of something can be called bleeding. monsters might not have blood, but they COULD produce something else, maybe sans bleeds because that was magic seeping out of him, and not actually blood/ketchup.

[@FriskMeemur]

Imagine their confusion when Kris doesn't turn to dust "They just lay there... Is that normal?!"

[@TheAdvertisement]

I think monster's use of magic is similar to humans. They're definitely capable of it, but it's a lost art or it's never learned. Think about the mages who sealed monsters underground. Humans don't seem to know magic in Undertale, and yet there were powerful humans who used it, just likely thousands of years ago.

[@janingendahl1115]

As far as I know, Monsters in undertale actually have the ability to bleed, well some, not all, but it is not the same as Human blood. It is more of a magic based liquid which has a similar function to human blood (giving the body what it needs to survive) but is still part of the monsters magic. So the "everyone bleeds" line and the unused sprites do actually make sense in that context.

[@AutumnHaunted]

Not sure if anyone else has commented this, but I just realised that the title is a reference to "Snails Do Not Have Tails: A Scientific Refutation" from the bookshelf in the corridor in Toriel and Kris's house. Nice touch.

[@jolitero]

4:05 humans do this exact thing though... there are plenty of burial rituals in the real world where items get buried with a person's body

[@someoneyoudontknow3257]

This can all be much more simple. Monsters don't turn to dust and then die, they die and then turn to dust. There's no reason they can't have blood or organs or any other assumed properties a living creature has and still turn to dust AFTER death.

[@krazyivan9733]

Have you considered the fact that blood can be made of magic the same way bones can obviously be made of magic? Also, I would like to point out a discrepancy: Noelle only wishes she could use *healing magic* "In real life". This leaves the distinct possibility that Noelle knows a non-healing spell or two in real life as well.

[@pixlv6384]

Sans bleeds. He turns to dust. Blood argument shattered

[@Jummy]

Sans is too much of an uncertain case to be used as good evidence either way, unfortunately. Yes, he could just be a monster who is bleeding, but we also know he A) dinks ketchup, and B) is a bit of a trickster. It's very possible that as a final prankster's gambit he left ketchup in his jacket to get one last reaction out of you, or even as a final attempt to get a genocide player to reconsider the route. This possibility is strengthened by no other monster in Undertale bleeding, not even Undyne. And then there's also the possibility that Sans is a Darkner. (and then, a final point i want to stick down here. as some other comments have pointed out, i think, at the end of the day, monsters are made of magic. they could always just have spooky magic blood and still turn to dust. we'll just have to see what the Dog has in store!)

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

I like to think that the monsters simply don't need to use magic. The world seems to be at peace between humans and monsters. The lack of a war could have led to monsters not realizing their full potential. This is why Toriel has to use her stove because the lack of a war caused people to never discover the ability to use magic in the light world. When the 3 monsters end up in the dark world it's possible it awakens that hidden instinct on how to use magic. Susie, Noelle, and Berdly are all seen effortlessly using magic in the dark world because they're put into a situation where they need to defend themselves thus their magic goes from dormant to active. Susie likely never tries to use her magic outside the dark world because she thinks it's dark world exclusive and Noelle and Berdly think they just had a dream so they probably won't attempt to use any magic in the light world either.

[@granitetheglitche1254]

This is 100% speculation but I always assumed monsters in Deltarune just weren't as developed in their use of magic because the human/monster war seemingly didn't drag on for so long or have so many lasting effects in this timeline. War has always driven scientific advancements in our world and so I feel it wouldn't be a stretch to say that it would drive magical advancements for monsters. (Especially given their large amounts of magic are the only thing they have over humans) I mean Alphys was the royal scientist but all her research was on how to get through the barrier... A magical problem. Also, the age old way of explaining away the use of magic in contemporary fantasy worlds, it'd just be way easier to use human appliances than train for who knows how long just to be able to use one kind of magic. Toriel uses an oven in this world because it's way easier to just buy an oven to cook with than learn fire magic just to bake a pie. She has no need to have magic anymore, the world has become safe enough not to require it. Also also thanks for making this video. It's honestly shocking how many people don't know this stuff haha. Another point would be that there's actually a currently unused animation of enemies in the dark world turning to dust when they're killed. I have no idea how legit it is but I saw it floating around.

[@brilliant_Potato]

The darkner turning to dust animation is used when you use snowgrave on a regular enemy

[@perfumedgnat9659]

Maybe when the monsters are downed, they are "fallen down." Basically right next to death

[@strawberryshortpup3655]

I think we don't see magic being used by the monsters in the light world is because nobody is just gonna go up and assault Kris like they would have with Frisk in Undertale.

[@megavic4823]

My theory is that monsters can use magic but it is considered a huge feat for even something simple. This would support the idea that the lightners are physically getting stronger in the dark world. After all, Kris's hp increases heavily whenever entering the dark world.

[@misakitakazaki8951]

Magic is not common in the Real world. In fact, Catty and Kris used to study the occult, implying the occult is pretty much like our world, just a lot of books and esoterica like Crowley, Papus and Caibalion. Of course magic MAY exist, but the monster did not learned how to use it.

[@fansundertable649]

Well Susie isn't exactly smart. She's not very quick to connect the dots, and I'm pretty sure Kris is the only human she's seen. There's even a book on how to take care of humans. Needless to say, at hometown, monsters don't know a whole lot about humans, so maybe Susie doesn't know humans bleed when she's says "crushed into dust." And the bleeding line could be something from the internet, we also know Susie sometimes play online because of the "cool skatebaord game." Yes I spelled that how it's supposed to be. Also, that little cinnabun monster at the apartment was told by it's mother that humans bleed. The mother is probably smarter than Susie is terms of human history if she knows this. Could be that she's just older and more experienced.

[@qzimyion]

Theory on why monsters can't use magic: Magic probably still exists but is largely forgotten as the technology advanced overtime I mean why go around the effort to learn a fire spell to cook that could take years to perfect when you can just use a stovetop to cook.

[@toxin8571]

Why can’t monsters have blood, and turn to dust?

[@kingdmind]

Ig because if monsters have blood, then that means they’re made of (more) matter, which would mean they could barely use / not be able to use magic

[@enasbitch6988]

Meta moment; what if they bleed raw magic, which then dissipates, leaving behind dust? The magic must leave in liquid form right? I mean, determination does seem to melt monsters so, death also melting them/having the magic gash out in waterfalls and rivers makes sense.

[@solalabell9674]

I’m not so sure of this First the ground to dust line isn’t that strong since it’s just a generic phrase (although an odd choice of words if it has no connevtion) but if she had said beat to a pulp we wouldn’t expect that to mean monsters torn to pulp. Also you have to extrapolate from that but ‘everyone bleeds’ directly states it do out of the two they’re not the same the dust line is much weaker as evidence Also G’s hammer being buried might be if his body was lost somehow so I wouldn’t say it’s conclusive proof. About the downed in battle yeah I don’t think your dying since after the fight downed characters just get up And obviously the unused sprites don’t prove anything subjective they’re well cut

[@drantino]

there could be a case that magic spells needs a dense type of enviroment to even occure which the dark fountines are the right kind of thing to allow it. but one thing that is just my perspective of how the monsters are is they might be a bit more matter then magic in this case being a bit more resilient to somethings(this varys to begin with anyways), so might be they just needed to adapt a bit becuase of the lack of a magical enviroment

[@gregomyeggo4639]

Maybe they bleed AND turn to dust :0

[@dyci]

if monsters have Determination in deltarune then maybe the human monster war would not only be evened out for the monsters but more so with the monsters because most if not all monsters use magic so what if humans were sealed underground and us being kris is a reverse of chara a human falling and live with monsters i have no idea why kris would be on the overworld though it would also explain why kris is the only human and how noelle knew so little about humans that she was scared of them being under her bed and how there is misinfo about humans spread around the game

[@chongwillson972]

@dci counterpoint there is a book about how to care of human children for monster parents and toriel has a history of checking it out...

[@PearPerson3]

The underground could be dark world, the barrier for all we know could be a fountain and monsters can only use magic underground/ in the dark world. I think I might have just predicted a plot in deltarune lol

[@PearPerson3]

PLUS WHEN YOU ENTER THE CLOSET IT HAS THE SAME LIGHT COMING FROM THE SURFACE FROM WHEN YOU FALL IN UNDERTALE AND FRISK FALLS INTO A DEEP HOLE, A CHILD COULD NOT SURVIVE THIS UNLESS THEY WERE TRANSPORTED LIKE KRIS AND SUSIE!

[@JackTheSlayer-ok5eq]

But wouldn’t the monsters and Frisk change when they left if it was a dark world?

[@PearPerson3]

@@JackTheSlayer-ok5eq true true

[@parafoxl7619]

Gosh I just love how in this super serious video he says librarby like it's the most common thing ever. Loving this word

[@C.A.O.N]

What if they bleed AND turn in to dust.

[@MrAmaze995]

I love how he calls library "Librarby"

[@zachcrawford5]

The fact that the little monster in the apartment building ask you if it hurts to be made of blood right after referring to you as a human as if they don't know if it hurts or not tells me that they are not (generally) "made of blood".

[@kylesimone6140]

im late, but susie seems quite... how do i put this, scrappy? probably gotten into a fight or two, also in chapter 2, we learn she has self harm tendencies as she says when interacting with her darkworld bed "sweet now i can stab my self in the night, how convenient" with a grin. so she might have literally bled. she says "crushed to dust." as a very violent way to kill them. gerson could have been cremated. the religion could have funerals like that. susie's unused sprite is odd considering its in chapter 2, btw he might've removed it for sensitivity.

[@uglyferalcat149]

The reason why I think monsters in Deltarune don't use magic is because in that universe, they don't need to. In Undertale, monsters generally only use magic when fighting Frisk, which could imply they live in a society where they're encouraged to learn to kill monsters with magic. However, monsters aren't trapped in the underground in Deltarune, so there's no reason to kill humans, and therefore no reason to use magic as often as monsters would in Undertale.

[@melbiamil5144]

To me, i thought that to turn into dust, you had to be killed violently, like, the strike was so devastating that they just vanished, i never saw a monster peacefuly turn into dust, and probably old age too i guess, since our hammer turtle boi, was turned into dust. Or i am wrong

[@solalabell9674]

Didn’t katty say that she taught Suzy some occult spells!

[@assrieldreamer8044]

Katty taught Noelle actually, but yeah your point still stands.

[@solalabell9674]

@@assrieldreamer8044 thats what i meant thanks

[@BaaarisaKirisame]

Maybe the reason why there is batter on the stove top in Deltarune is because in Undertale you eat monster food, which is magic and gets instantly absorbed, but Toriel is taking care of a human in Deltarune, so she does use a stove to cook that kind of pie. When you interact with the fireplace in Undertale, the fire doesn't burn you either.

[@pineappleudh6561]

Agreed, monsters are probably just incapable of using magic, they probably still are made of it.

[@userunp]

sans's an exception, for some reason he BLEEDS like shown in undertale once finally getting a hit on him

[@itap8880]

4:37 Well, I've never looked into the wording here before. It's actually phrased "Toriel must use fire magic" as if she has no other way. Not "Toriel must be using fire magic", a form commonly used for drawing conclusions. That also works well with Chara being the narrator since she wouldn't be drawing conclusions. She already knows such things from the time when she used to live with Toriel. A simple explanation for why she has to use magic that I can think of is that the ruins are... well, ruins. There might likely have no connection to the power grid and things like that. 6:53 Here, I'd like to bring in the mad dummy from UT who shows and speaks of a difference between magical and physical attacks. Frisk's attacks are physical while attacks of dummy and Napstablook are directly implied to be magical. Going deeper, there's a monster in the librarby who speaks about bullet patterns as a magical art, implying that all bullet patterns are magical attacks. That actually leads to an explanation of healing bullets. They simply heal magical damage but not physical one, hence why monters don't heal each other in UT. I'd also like to say, if anyone tries to bring in that Toriel says "not even a scratch" when Frisk makes it to her house without getting hit (or maybe it's just when fully healed), I'm already saing in advance that she "looks through you" during her battle which might mean literally.

[@helohel5915]

I always took deltarune as what Toby Fox stated - it is just an alternate universe. The rules carry over, just now with different circumstances like the dark world (which likely do not exist in the undertale universe). Why would they not dust? If it isn't disproven, it's still a part of the game, there is no reason to change

[@alexleavitt7590]

My head canon for the reason healing magic doesn't cure illness is because, technically, viruses, cancers, and bacteria are still living, meaning healing magic wouldn't kill them.

[@IamNCortex]

there is Madjick's book in the library about using magic. Also Kris googled how to use magic according to his cell in Queen's Mansion so magic does exist in Deltarune but maybe only a few know how to use it.

[@lourdespachla6516]

MONSTERS DONT TURN INTO DUST a scientific counter-argument they respawn.

[@Ammiteur9]

Actually I don't think monsters turning into dust and them having blood have to rule each other out. Considering how young the bunny is, maybe it was just learning about humans with a line like "humans are mostly made of blood" as a simplified explanation. But that could be wrong. I don't think that monsters can't have blood when they can turn to dust because of the way they turn into dust in undertale. They either have to fall down or we have to deadly injure them. If they just hurt for example their hand really bad like in the cut sprite of Susie, they still can bleed. Also Susie talks more about blood than the Rabbit does (but that could just be the reason why we think that everybody bleeds. Because Susie likes slime and blood and talks about it). Another thing that can probably be answered more clearly. It is very likely most monsters just don't know how to use magic in the lightworld because they don't need to. Catti talks about teaching Noelle protection spells, in Susie's status menu she has magic points even without an item, Kris didn't die or whatever so Toriel doesn't have to makr the house saver and can use the oven instead of fiemagic, and Ralsei asks Kris, when we don't use pacify in the tutorial, if humans can't even ask someone else to use magic for them (but that could just be because they were in the darkworld). I do believe the theory that the darkworld is a fantasy that became reality and thus making things possible or more easier that you couldn't do before (I mean look at the insane salto skills the fungang has all of a sudden). A last thing. I think Susie and Kris just become unconcious or have to rest for a while when they are defeated. We know that darkners try to fight fairly, since for example Virovirokun is willing to explain battles to Noelle, and they likely would not try to kill anyone which is also why they stop attacking a fallen teammate.

[@CharaViolet]

Regarding the unused Susie animation, note that the injury on her finger is the same color as her blushing. When you bleed out, the blood isn't the same color as an embarrassed face, but what _is_ visually similar to blushing would be a scrape or a fresh bruise, so the scrapped sprite could simply be an injury of that kind, rather than her bleeding out.

[@drakath5727]

I think one thing people aren't considering here is that by this logic, if Humans weren't made of magic, they couldn't use spells back in the day to create the barrier. HOWEVER, Due to the fact Darkners turn to dust when exposed to a Fatal attack, that begs the question: Why didn't Berdley turn to dust when everything else in the area can to a Snowgrave? Is it because he's a Boss Monster and as a result of the higher HP total he just Fell Down? Or is the distinction between Lightner and Monster that Lightners have enough physical matter to emit the light - the DETERMINATION to not turn to dust immediately? On top of that, shouldn't Susie, Noelle, and Berdley all have melted if they didn't have any physical matter because they have DETERMINATION?

[@lpfan4491]

Berdly was just frozen solid. That probably stopped whatever physical process might have happened otherwise. Also, it was never said that Monsters can't handle determination at all. In undertale, Alphys just gave the monsters she was saving too much of it and Undyne was melting because she was greatly overusing it. It is unclear what connection DT even has to the creation of dark fountains, because Kris opened one while soulless. And Humans are implied to store it inside their souls.

[@drakath5727]

@@lpfan4491 Alphys never said she overused it. She said that Monsters don't have enough physical matter to handle the Determination before melting, let alone generate it. Dark Fountains require the Light, or the Determination as Queen puts it, to open. Presumably, any Lightner could also close it due to said Determination, but for whatever reason Kris is the only one that can close them because as a human can have their soul leave their body. Even if Berdly was just frozen solid, that would've been renderred a moot point seconds after leaving the Dark World where if Berdly was supposed to dust, it would've happened then due to a Fatal attack. It's likely the DT is keeping their body together much like how the Amalgamates did before waking up, and potentially even the chance of him waking up too from the Fallen Down state in a few chapters. This would mean Undyne in Deltarune also would qualify as a Lightner if this is the distinction.

[@Paolo-wn5oy]

1:50 The blood is not to confuse with the determination. As Sans dies at the end of the genocide path, the red substance that's dripping out of his body is neither blood nor ketchup but determination. It's the only thing in undertale that's colorated in the fight interface. The blood is showed in black and with as the other elements. Not only Frisk or Kris can have blood in the body but also Ralsei, Susie or Noëlle. If Toriel is killed, the player can see something black and white in the aperture of her body. That happens also when Undyne is talking to Monster Kid before becoming Undying.

[@Paolo-wn5oy]

@lain but a skeleton can be something material that doesn't melt. At the end of the genocide path, Chara's face is melting and Gaster's one, if we see one of his sprites, he could have also melted because of it.

[@Paolo-wn5oy]

@lain It breaks then a logic rule because only determination or something like that can be colorated in the fight encounter.

[@Ink_Loki]

One point for magic existing is that in kris's room in the queen's mansion Jongler's Book on Jongleing And Other Tricks shows up in relation to kris's search "how to use magic" which is most likely them trying to be more like the monsters they're surrounded with.

[@screen7978]

The reason sans bleeds is because bones make blood, it's supposed to be scientific

[@MykeGG]

Magic exists in the normal world. Cattie taught Noelle *Ice* magic. Yes, it's a text ingame.

[@tntsofa]

and you can turn darkners to dust with snowgrave (the spell.) if you spare/don't murder bridly more hostles with appear that you can use snowgrave on and they turn to dust. darkners and mosters from undertale and things are probitly quite different but still putting it out there.

[@CornBun_Retroid]

Unrelated but i was floored that the one bunny girl says “my brother is too old to go on walks now” or something along that line. And in undertale shes walking a small bunny on a leash and im concerned-

[@gilbertowalber2703]

This makes even more sense thanks to the Spamton Sweepstakes

[@Hk-ox4bb]

I think the “everybody bleeds” is just a mistake on the part of Toby, nothing more, it happens

[@SnoFitzroy]

yeah the susie bleeding sprite that goes unused just seems like an "Araki Forgets" kind of moment to me.

[@LowLifeAM]

I just assumed some monsters bled a sort of magic residue.

[@zekeram129]

Now someone just has to upload "Can Monsters Help Your Garden? - Um, Not Really."

[@mentalcrowbar9434]

About Susie and the Everybody Bleeds line, it could be a pop culture thing. TV is a thing, and susie seems to enjoy it, perhaps a movie she saw about humans had that line in it and she picked it up as part of her tough girl persona?

[@alexhiser4073]

In deltarune humans and monsters seem to be more similar then they were in deltarune so I definitely think that, while they probably don't have blood, their bodies definitely persist after death Naritivly speaking the two groups aren't humans and monsters but lightner and darkeners Also we see that when using snowgrave on the maice, a darkener, they turn to dust. However when berdly gets killed with it his body's still intact, even In the light world where people can use the excuse of "oh he's being held together by the ice"

[@unrefinedfailure_lollipop4446]

My theory is that the monsters lost thier magic just like the humans did in undertale after the war. The dark world just influences thier ability to use it since the DT is scattered, this is credited when Queen says if a Lightner has enough Determination they can create a dark fountain.

[@supermemoluigi]

It makes sense and all, but things in Deltarune might work different than Undertale, the world might have some physics similar to the other one, but they also might have another logics that are different, maybe monsters in this world can bleed something when they're really hurted, maybe by the fact that monsters and humans may have some kind of determination like the power of Will, but also since their bodies are still different from humans they can also turn into dust when they die. And probably don't use magic since they forgot how to use it or simply enough, they don't know how. We have to keep in mind that this is another universe that can connect each other by some similar matters and maybe Kris' soul might be one of the strongest connection in between, but it cannot be the same one as we know in undertale since it may not be just a different timeline with many different things since there are things in deltarune that might not exist in undertale in the first place and viceversa.

[@RmationYT]

Theory about darkeners: When they are killed, they turn into an object. Think about it, when you defeat Jevil and Spamton NEO, they both turn into items after you defeat them, and no matter what you do, they will always turn into those items.

[@SamDragontear]

Personally I just figured that if a monster is injured (but not badly enough to die) they still bleed like everyone else and only turn to dust when they die. 🤷‍♀️

[@warlordish]

It's just a metaphor. Everybody gets hurt. She likes hurting people.

[@user-wl3zk6kj3q]

It was said that Noelle was taught protective spells, and just because monster are made of magic doesn't mean they don't bleed.

[@Darvoth]

Where is it said noelle was taught protective spells

[@user-wl3zk6kj3q]

@@Darvoth Catti says this if you ask her about Noelle. Kris was also interested in magic.

[@alik3737]

3:27 I think that this connection in Undertale (and probably Deltarune) is real, because Flowey's body (I count Flowey and Asriel as two separate creatures because it's just easier for me) is the flower on which Asriel died and thus dust from Asriel's body spilled on this flower creating the connection that allowed Asriel to be reborn as Flowey.

[@tonyflamingo712]

The number 1 proof is that one bunny girl asking if it hurts to be made of blood thus proving that they're made of magic

[@conorferguson6073]

So for sans bleeding when defeated, it’s probably just ketchup or it’s a neat way of showing that bone marrow produces blood

[@megavic4823]

Now that I think of it, why do monsters have burials? Shouldn't they just have urns or something?

[@DGsynchroman]

here is a thought, Undertale was [Deltarune Asriel] and [Deltarune Kris] replaying a modual of a D&d like game... and dust could have been an [Deltarune Asriel] explaination for why kris can't loot the bodies. "No, Kris, you can't have Papyrus' Battle armor"

[@meloncholicc]

I personally believe that monsters have blood, the child in the window just doesn't know about monster biology too well (or thinks that humans are ONLY made of blood and bones), and that monsters still turn to dust when they die.