Charlie Vickers talks Sauron in The Rings of Power

I sit down with Charlie Vickers to talk Annatar, Tolkien's writings, and Sauron being a prisoner to the Rings.
#theringsofpower #charlievickers #lordoftherings

[@wutangforeverrr]

You know Charlie is doing a phenomenal job when you end up rooting for Sauron.

[@christophersnowden4117]

I’d blame that on the show runners 😂😂

[@tysoncarpenter8628]

Yeah no way I'm rooting for that guy lol. I could tell he was sauron right from episode 1! Lol just like I knew the stranger was gandalf! But I know what is going to happen in 200 more years lol. So no way I'm rooting for this guy! Let's go team elf's!!!! Lol

[@CalebMay-bf1ci]

Id say thats a writing problem not that hes not a good actor

[@Lord_Nordan]

@@CalebMay-bf1ci he is a good actor, despite the writing.

[@imnotinsanebisquit]

You're rooting for Sauron because everyone else just suck, maybe except for Elrond and Durin(s). You shouldn't be rooting for Sauron, but rather intrigued as to how he manipulate the world around him. But honestly... the way everything is done, the story the writing, i am rooting for Sauron, because dear god just kill everyone on this show and let it be done. That being said, I do admit that i like Charlie's performance, despite what he's been given to work with.

[@MrPloopy83]

For all the shortcomings that the amazon series has, his portrayals of all the faces of Sauron are absolutly amazing ! The scenes with Cerebrimbor were perfect. Splendid actor and seems like a really nice bloke, hope to see more of him !

[@redomega24]

Can't really blame the guy for taking the role it was the chance of a lifetime to get to play in Tolkien's world plus a decent paycheck on top of that. It's a shame he wasn't given better material to work with he seems like a decent person hopefully this won't affect his career in the long run.

[@MartinAngers-j5n]

I am not pointing the finger at you personally, but why always start with the sentence: for all the shortcomings? Do you own your opinion or not?

[@MrPloopy83]

@@MartinAngers-j5n i absolutly do, but i get what you are saying. Sadly for a budget that large and a project that ambitious, the show do suffer a lot from those shortcomings. And i am not talking about the nitpicking stuff of course, i do like the show mostly because of the actors like mr vickers here. I guess i'm just bummed they didnt get a screen writing and scenario at their level.

[@LayllasLocker]

@@MrPloopy83 And you are 100% correct and have every right to mention it.

[@MrPloopy83]

@@LayllasLocker thanks ! I do agree with the other commenter that a hate bandwagon is an easy train to catch and can be a bit infuriating to see passing by your favorite franchise, nonetheless some things are worth pointing out, both in good and in bad ! :)

[@aloevera3932]

There's an interesting pattern. The nicer is the actor in real life, the better villain he's able to play.

[@Max1990Power]

Heath Ledger. With hus Joker comes to mind.

[@KnudAutlermann]

Kemmen (Ar-Pharazon's son) interview next? 🤔

[@ciaranbrk]

Jack Gleason as Joffrey Baratheon in game of thrones.I’ve heared he is lovely in real life.

[@hperspective]

​@KnudAutlermann let's not push it 😂

[@aloevera3932]

I'd also like to mention Tom Hiddleston as Loki.

[@AWAKEtheIRON]

Charlie does a fantastic job of making Sauron likeable. Halbrand was very likeable in his rugged almost Aragon way. Annatar is likeable in a smooth almost majestic way. This lends to the success of his many deceptions. I used to think, "How could people fall for Sauron's evil schemes?!" After seeing Charlie's portrayal I'm like, "Oh, I totally get it now."

[@Darija-d3y]

He did a great job but Annatar with his emotional manipulation was enraging af It was also sad to see pathetic elves with emotional issues. I think Annatar could have been sneakier rather than the elves being weak and human like.

[@PurdyGood]

Gosh Annatar’s stern looks were so scary to have to “report” to, like Celebrimbor did. He’s supposed to be this regal, angel-like figure but you could really tell he had darker, more sinister goals in mind by the way he would stew over something that Brimby snapped back at him with. I’m glad this show has some great scenes like that. And the subtle makeup changes to make his eyes and cheeks darker.

[@rickblaine9670]

Exactly. I see a lot of people lamenting that characters are “stupid” because they fall for Sauron’s schemes, that if they only thought about it for a moment it would be easy to see through him… but that’s precisely the point. Those people only think of the plot and its mechanisms, without considering the actor and the performance right in front of their eyes. That performance, that character, is what seduced Galadriel first and Celebrimbor later. Not the things Halbrand and Annatar said, or the fact that they made perfect sense (they not always did), but the WAY he said them. The way he spoke, the way he carried himself… again, it’s seduction, plain and simple. Especially with Celebrimbor, the whole thing clearly feels like an abusive relationship. Sauron traps your heart first, and only later aims at your mind.

[@zeeshawnali4078]

Wow amazing opportunity. Charlie is by far the best part of this show.

[@davem3953]

The Adar actors were excellent.

[@NNoitraa]

Celebrimbor also!

[@zeeshawnali4078]

@@NNoitraa Unfortunately we lost him and Adar

[@ProudGooner]

Also Lloyd Owen as Elendil.

[@f.iph7291]

Kirdan, both durins.... The show has some great castings

[@forestdean8064]

MATT YOU GOT TO TALK TO CHARLIE!? OMG

[@kaiden2003]

You can officially say that you’ve had a chat with Sauron! This was a wonderful interview :D

[@ellesartelcontar153]

Charlie Vickers is shining spot in all series. He brought the Sauron character to greater heights and added an extra dimension to his role. Like amazing work sir

[@Henez89]

Vickers is great as Sauron. He's been killing it this year.

[@sk1tzoCS]

Absolutely!

[@zacharygohl]

He is the highlight of the show and now I can see why…. He actually knows Tolkien fairly well and seems to care about the story! Awesome job Charlie! Your are one of the only bright spots in this series

[@nyx5376]

Wonder why he went along with the show then. I'm sure he isn't a bad person, and he is indeed a decent enough actor, but going along with this atrocity always leaves a bad taste in my mouth and sours the impression I have of the actors.

[@Wikiwikifresh]

@@nyx5376I’m sure they are hurt by that

[@wrongsquirrel9520]

@@nyx5376 Oh dearest me however will they recover

[@nyx5376]

@@Wikiwikifresh I'm sure it hurts, when you attempt to think once in a while. Seriously, you people never heard of criticism or what it means. Nevermind a different opinion. Whatever that is.

[@shaunsocha421]

​@@nyx5376you're the one freaking out bc people don't agree tho 😂😂

[@PalmelaHanderson]

He played the character so well. And in the show, when Sauron says he considered Celebrimbor a friend and wanted to make Galadriel a queen, **I believe him.** remember, Sauron is not the villain in his own story, at least not yet and not entirely. He does legitimately think he's the only one with the stones to make Middle-earth into what it should be. So when Galadriel and Celebrimbor "turn" on him (in his eyes), it does hurt him.

[@mark9294]

Typical narcissist

[@Trey-w4c]

Didn’t take the Morgoth burn too well.

[@LopezZeta]

Charlie Vickers is holding this entire series together. It would collapse on itself without him. What an impeccable actor. Give this man an award

[@Mark2_D2]

Charlie clearly put a lot of effort into this interview to thoughtfully answer your questions. It's rare to see actors take KZbinr interviews so seriously, which was great to see. He really seems knowledgeable about Sauron. Hopefully, he'll reach out to you occasionally to bounce ideas off you for feedback. It would be amazing to kick off season 3 with a flashback of Sauron as Mairon, learning the art of smithing from Aulë in a bright, beautiful setting, then quick transition to the dark atmosphere of Mt. Doom, where Sauron is using those skills to forge the One Ring.

[@xxxx85]

Charlie Vickers is easily my favorite part about Rings of Power! He plays Sauron really well. The entire time I'm watching I just hope next scene is gonna have him in it.

[@noahchain817]

Great interview! Charlie did an AMAZING job as Annatar this season. His performance elevated the second season to something truly special. I can't wait to continue seeing more from him as Sauron!

[@LikeWhyTF]

Viggo and Charlie within a week?! Matt you’re taking over!

[@TheDeskDestroyer]

Charlie portrays Sauron really well. I hope we see Sauron in his 8 foot armoured badass form next season!

[@Saurondür]

I hope we don't get a lot of armoured sauron till the last alliance as it's a peter jackson thing, and I love non armoured sauron

[@anasfikri3283]

@@Saurondüragreed

[@asokatano9410]

Series still sucks, sorry it is a little better than first season. But overall writing, quality of plot, characters is still really low. I like cast, but nothing more than that.

[@JizBoyy420]

@@asokatano9410 nobody asked, how hard is it to let people enjoy what they want

[@asokatano9410]

@@JizBoyy420 How hard it to allow other people to have different opinions?

[@Rebecca-mv5yj]

I love how Charlie Vickers made Annatar so smooth! So powerful while also being soft spoken! Until Sauron loses his temper LOL I loved that scene: "I WANT THE NINE!" *gets hammer thrown at his head*

[@jjOHNji]

So powerful sauron lefted his force powers behind when he is fighting galadriel 😂😂😂 Explain why he just let's galadriel fall off a cliff, when he shown in E07. he got the power to make elves kill each other 😂😂 Fans of this show got the IQ of a fly. You follow where the 💩 is and rejoice in it.

[@NightmareCo666]

@@jjOHNjiwho hurt you? If you’re a true fan of Tolkien, why attack other fans for liking something? Get over it and move on and be happy instead of acting like a bitter Uruk yourself

[@jjOHNji]

@@NightmareCo666 seems your the one that needs to get over it. Whats matter you ran out of excuses now you can't explain the logic behind the scenes. 🤣 Using your Common sense has really lefted you. Wake up puppet.

[@ericmckenzie1221]

​@@jjOHNji The will of a random Eregion guard is equal to will of Galadriel with Nenya. Got it! Excellent analysis, sport

[@jjOHNji]

@ericmckenzie1221 i forget nenya is able to heal, keeping galadriel from broken bones. falling off a cliff onto a flat surface with nothing to break her fall. Somehow, she able to stand up after a few stabs. Care to explain??? Maybe explain how arondir is alive perfectly healthy 🤔 Maybe explain how an army of elves on horseback can all turn a handbrake on travelling 25- 30mph. Key word ARMY thats 1000's to a full stop from one word that isn't the king, lol. The horses behind would crash into the front. Maybe explain where the hell is gil-galad, why is elrond the leader and negotiating with adar. Explain why we get romantic music, zoom in pictures of lips kissing between galadriel and elrond. Clearly its intended to be a romantic scene. Its elrond's mother in law ffs and galadriel is a married woman. Explain why its acceptable for elrond to time travel everywhere, likewise with sauron. Explain why writers steal harry potter lines and then butcher peter jackson's work. Explain how metal nails hammered into a wall can bring down a wall. You ever done DIY??, ever used a hammer and nail and removed the nail before. What happens?? Does it bring the wood, brick, stone out with it, or is it just the nail.? Go on, explain it, use your common sense, and explain it.

[@fillthomas]

I love hearing how much dedication he has to the character, and how much research he's done with the books!

[@morganlefaye5699]

It's probably why his performance stands out in the show. He's done an amazing job at portraying Sauron/Annatar/Halbrand

[@samwilcox10]

And this is why he plays saurons character so well- he is a fan of tolkiens work and has studied his writings and brings passion to the filming

[@j-dmachado4349]

I LOVE this about Charlie’s approach - and much of the cast’s - it gives me a lot more confidence in the show’s direction (even, maybe especially, in the way out there adaptation-specific moments) 💚📚

[@xBRVTALx]

Then he needs to stand up for Tolkien and call the writers out for destroying the lore. Henry caville did that with the Witcher and when they quit listening to him he left the show.

[@captainahab9602]

@@xBRVTALxit’s almost like that’s a completely different situation

[@j-dmachado4349]

@@xBRVTALx I respect your feelings - adaptation can leave a certain impression of the original work on people. Personally, I don’t think Tolkien needs defending, and I don’t think his lore can be destroyed while any copies of his literature survive 💚📚

[@joejames007]

He’s done his homework!!!!

[@shirinwindrunner4806]

He’s a phenomenal actor. Switching the emotions emitting from his facial expressions in a matter pf moments 🤩🤯 the scene where *********spoiler alert for season 2 episode 7********** Celebrimbor is disillusioned with Sauron’s ruse is some of the best acting I’ve ever scene and if that doesn’t get them both Emmy wins i’m not sure I can respect the Emmys anymore ❤🤷‍♀️ i’ve watched that scene like 54 times by now (no exaggerations) and each time it gives me the chills 💖💖 it’s just perfect 💓💓💓

[@morganlefaye5699]

Couldn't agree more. Charlie Vickers acting at times is so subtle, as you say in the micro facial expressions, but they say so much. Brilliant job.

[@gemini3399]

A masterclass of acting

[@Scandic45]

I wonder how he deals with the misguided hatred he most likely gets? The hatred is getting out of hand so im really glad to have Nerd of the Rings around , Critical thinking without resorting to cheap attacks or misguided anger. This is one of the few positive channels!

[@thedoor43]

He has to be positive or else he wouldn't get this level of access

[@frankknudsen8803]

If the actors are getting hate it definitely is misguided. Those voices should be ignored. Also positivity is fine. But sometimes it smells like cope. I do not like Rings of Power. It seems to me that im not alone in this. But i also do not enjoy being called hateful or toxic or any other slur, just because of this.

[@jjOHNji]

​@@thedoor43amazon is paying him to be nice lol 😂

[@thedoor43]

​@jjOHNji If he wasn't nice to the show he wouldn't get this interview. It's not complicated.

[@jjOHNji]

@@thedoor43 never said it was complicated its obvious. What's even more hilarious is how all his subscribers are on his bandwagon of positivity. When you know deep down his positivity is false surrounding the show. Its a lie he sold his soul for the check, access and god know's what else.

[@KG-Love]

Vickers is so phenomenal. And his background work is pretty small. This proves that if casting does their job right, amazing new talent can be discovered. He's brilliant and I wish him a long and storied career 🎉

[@TallShepherd]

Such a good interview Matt! Charlie is the perfect Sauron, even if the show isn't perfect. His knowledge and research really comes across. He's a proper asset & advocate for Middle Earth.

[@Max1990Power]

Yeah the show isnt perfect but good enough for me and sometimes shines like mithril!:)

[@ll9595]

It's safe to say Charlie is the absolute MVP on this show. I hope we get more seasons with the same amounts of resources and effects. Season 2 was a major improvement and I want to see more.

[@mamadoritos]

This guy is winning over my heart. Vickers' portrayal of Sauron was on point, he delivered every nuance

[@hazbojangles2681]

This was a great interview Matt! I’m amazed about how knowledgeable Charlie is and how invested he is in Tolkien’s Legendarium. His studies into Sauron as a character have really paid off!

[@imraduin]

The position you are in now compared what this channel was when I started watching you a few years ago is absolutely insane. What a come-up, and so well deserved.

[@arsebusquets2436]

Yes, but at what cost. I really enjoy the lore content but Nerd is well out of step with the general discourse around this show. Unfortunately, access such as this explains those shortcomings.

[@TheHiggybaby]

@@arsebusquets2436 The general discourse is fairly lukewarm to positive. It has a number of detractors, absolutely, and some very valid criticisms, but Matt has always been vocal about those in his breakdowns.

[@rburk854]

@@arsebusquets2436 Are you really mad that he doesn't do rage-bait like other youtubers? Aren't there enough of those already. I think he does a pretty fair breakdown of the show.

[@arsebusquets2436]

@@rburk854 I enjoy his breakdowns through the lens of the lore, which is more interesting to me than people raging for clicks, but Matt has developed quite a knack of humorously glossing over the gaping inconsistencies in the plot, direction, character motivations and general acting beyond one or two performances. For the money being spent on this show, it should have the best people on board from the production team right down to the cast of extras. But beyond the CGI the world feels small, disorganized and disjointed. While I don't expect a reviewer to rage quit over the quality of a show, I want them to be forthright in their critique, not finding ways to bend over backwards to put a positive spin on every inconstancy they encounter.

[@HolyG.23]

Why should he follow the "general discourse" when he is allowed to have his own opinions. Matt is fantastic and if he sees positives in the show who cares, he's allowed to enjoy whatever he wants.

[@sdl1ishappy]

His Sauron is an epic villain and really anchors the show, and you can see he's really thought about his character and what drives him.

[@Divine_Chareka]

Charlie killed it in this role, him and Charles who played Celebrimbor. Loved both their performances ❤

[@vars280287]

Annatar scenes are the best scenes of S2

[@sit-insforsithis1568]

He’s a great actor ! Him and Celebrimbor actor really act good off each other

[@jjOHNji]

Your standards of acting are really really low.

[@LopezZeta]

​@@jjOHNji no one cares about your opinion

[@jjOHNji]

@LopezZeta i know you don't care nor does anyone else, who can't critique this show and call ppl out for selling their soul for the amazon payday. Nerd of the rings needs renaming to horde of the flys. His subscribers got IQ of flys because they follow wherever the 💩 is. Whereever nerd of the rings takes you whether thats against tolkien, you shall follow and rejoice in 💩.

[@sit-insforsithis1568]

@@jjOHNji touch grass bud

[@jjOHNji]

@@sit-insforsithis1568 Go touch soap bud

[@FredThePhoenix]

Despite all the shortcomings and dislike I have for Rings of Power, Charlie Vickers isn't one of them. I love Sauron in this show as far as adaptations go. Hell, I root for him because he's the most interesting character by far for me :)

[@not_potaytoes_hobbit]

Same. I am not a fan or Rings of Power but this season is slightly better. There are dialogues that are terrible and things that don't make sense, but I can stand it as long as the scenes with the Harfoots remain minimal. Oh how I hate those scenes, I cannot stand watching them as the cringe is too hard.

[@KnudAutlermann]

Absolutely love this interview!!!! It's in person, not over zoom, with one of the main cast, and Charlie Vickers proved he really does know his Tolkien lore

[@MrHobbes6]

Great interview, what a treat for the end of the season! He's killing it as Sauron. Watching interviews with the actors is part of what helps me watch the show with more generosity. They're all so dedicated and have great ideas. Charlie seems particularly devoted to Tolkien.

[@MaroLitraTV]

You have to listen to Robert Aramayo too. The definition of devoted to Tolkien

[@MrHobbes6]

@@MaroLitraTV For sure--it's just that everyone seems to think of him as the one who's well-read, but he's not the only one, even if he is the nerdiest. :)

[@futbolusa]

It's great to hear him name all of tolkien's work and actually that he read about him in the other stories even besides the SIlmarillion. So many actors don't even bother to read the literature their character is based on. Great that you were able to have him on..

[@samdunkaroos]

Justice for Glug!

[@giano3715]

Glug Got Glugged!

[@Ivan_against_Cuisine]

Wow, he got 10 minutes with Sauron himself, that's a big one! To interview Morfydd and Celebrimbor Charlie next would be awesome too☺

[@bakerarmy]

Amazing. So happy for everyone and glad you got this interview. Awesome.

[@AkisAzar]

Brother took a villain who had little screen time in his physical form and completely knocked it out of the park. For me Charlie is Sauron. What a great actor.

[@DougWIngate]

"Charlie thanks so much for joining me today!" "Thanks Matt... are you my friend?" *stares into soul*

[@Max1990Power]

Sauron just wants a friend :)

[@bernaakgul3992]

😅😅

[@ForiamStudios]

I have many names, Matt.

[@Thunderpuddle]

He is the highlight of the series for me. Seems a cracking fella

[@gabrielrivera8822]

I really hope to see more of Charlie Vickers outside of RoP. Really good actor, best in the whole show.

[@chaseuchiha1353]

100% carries the show, acting and knowledge of his character. My god he is very impressive

[@Mi_Pi]

He seems so genuinely excited to be part of the project 🥰

[@murrayisarobot]

He's Aussie?! Damn he really is a shape shifter. A Yorkshireman as Halbrand, Received Pronunciation as Annatar... Really keeps you guessing!

[@Oh_thunder]

It always feels when an actor cares about the character he is portraying! And the story as well! It feels through the screen that Sauron, Elrond, Elendil 💯 do!!! This trio brings that middleearthy vibes to the show!! I still wish that some scenes of this show could just disappear from my memory and the whole plot could be more consistent and closer to the original story. But I wished that these 3 actors still played their characters

[@timeoutpsychology2480]

Awesome! I’m so conflicted by his portrayal because he executed the role so expertly it had me kind of liking Sauron lol.

[@George_Eréthion]

Despite any other problems with the show, Charlie's acting was truly one of my favorite parts. He's done so well, and I'd love to see him in Official Tolkien film canon.

[@missboohbooh]

Charlie has such a dedication to the role, to read so much content and really submerge himself in the character is so respectful. Love him as Sauron and can't wait for next season!!!!

[@TheEquus92]

Give this man an Emmy because he nailed it as Sauron!

[@MohamedKhaled-ny2kd]

Charlie ( Sauron/ annatar ) literally carried season 2 , good job 👏

[@Merina2222]

He's fantastic, a truly terrifying and layered Sauron. His dynamic with Galadriel is electric as well.

[@lesleygoodall-page8035]

Not everyone hates the rings of power. Some of us enjoy it as a kind of side story novella thing and don’t get hung up on the canonical story.

[@Xerrand]

That's how I feel about it. Its big budget fan fiction, but still enjoyable. VIckers portrayal of Sauron is absolutely phenomenal though.

[@LopezZeta]

@@lesleygoodall-page8035 same, I'm just happy we get to see the 2nd Age brought to life

[@AverageGamer816]

In my opinion best actor on the show so far. Plays and excellent sauron, like how Ian McKellen is the only person I picture as Gandalf, I can only picture him as sauron from now on 😂.

[@raptorimperator]

Charlie Vickers is a true highlight of the show. I've loved watching him as Sauron masquerading as Annatar this season. With just a subtle shift in his expression, especially with Celebrimbor's back turned, you can see Sauron beneath the mask. Truly exceptional work.

[@edkwon]

You can tell Charlie Vickers is as much a Tolkien lore geek as anyone watching the show, and it shows in the enthusiasm he has for his take on the role of Anatar/Sauron 👏🏽

[@superdave3506]

Great interview Matt…..Season 2 has really stepped up a few notches, and that’s primarily because of his portrayal of Annatar…..

[@sarahahmed5806]

What a brilliant portrayal of Sauron by Charlie Vickers. I have never been this invested in a Villain’s character ever before.

[@arik3974]

Yeah pretty critical of the series overall as a big time nerd, still enjoying it though, BUT gotta admit his portrayel of Sauron was really well done. Also an insane increase of acting skills in my opinion from season 1 to 2. Which is kind of cool because it also reflects the many sides of Sauron.

[@BobaFerd]

Charlie/Sauron is the best thing about The Rings Of Power, hands down. Love him.

[@ellingtonGaming]

While I have issues with the show, especially writing-wise, I truly appreciate the work Charlie did in preparing himself even BEFORE knowing he's sauron

[@NerdoftheRings]

100%. You can tell he really appreciates the writings and went diving in!

[@ellingtonGaming]

@NerdoftheRings it really came through with his annatar. I still think the halbrand thing was a bit eh (not specifically his performance, more I think the character was unnecessary to add)

[@PrannyA]

Charlie's depth of knowledge from all of Tolkien's work really shows in his incredible portrayal of Sauron. Hands down the best scenes of the show are when he is in them.

[@BubbleBelly]

The show has room to improve for sure, but one thing is for sure and that is Charlie Vickers and Charles Edwards are the absolute best parts of season 2 by a MILE. Their interactions are just so so so so good

[@thatguy_dirt_in_your_eye]

Celebrimbor wasn’t that dumb

[@TheAngmarArchives]

The runaway star of the show - well done to Charlie (and Charles Edwards for that matter)...they've carried the season and have given us a different, but very powerful telling of the story of the forging of the rings. I also hope he gets to do, and we get to see, Sauron in Numenor...Tristan is an equally talented actor and I can imagine how great it could be. Sauron's fair form now seems even more terrifying than his Dark Lord outfit...which we'll hopefully get to come Season 5. Hats off to the guy - definitely the highlight of this series.

[@EmblemParade]

I think Tolkien's depiction of Sauron includes subtle hints that Sauron was not always wholly evil, that it was the seeds that Morgoth planted in him that continuously broke his hope and turned him into a loyal pawn. I appreciate that the show makes this explicit. And furthermore, I often wonder if Sauron intentionally bound himself to the One Ring, wanting in a way to have a loophole that could be exploited, thus ending his miserable existence as a slave to Morgoth. It was his one last hope of freeing himself. A high stakes game that could have ended with him winning, but perhaps he secretly hoped that he would lose.

[@Rebecca-mv5yj]

I forgot to comment @Nerd of the Rings, but I'm soooo thrilled that you interviewed Charlie Vickers! He's honestly the only reason I am interested in the show. I love the chemistry that he (Annatar) had with Charlie Edwards (Celebrimbor). I want a whole show with just those two LOL

[@SourDohSteele]

Charlie Vickers killed it this season. Definitely my First of Second MVP of this season. 50/50 toss up between Him and Edwards. They were both so AMAZING in this season.

[@mateeullahafridi1847]

His portrayal as Annatar (Sauron) is just amazing. He is so good.

[@j.l.howlett6843]

This guy absolutely the most amazing cast in that show

[@MrNozes]

You can see how good of an actor he is just looking how nice he is and still is able to pull a cold blood puppet master as well as an evil lord during the show. Thank you both for this short but awesome interview!

[@Silver-5-0-5]

Interviewing skills 10/10 top notch they should audition you for the show :)

[@kristenrosales2919]

Matt! Don't fall for Annatar's charms or deceits!!

[@dws0828]

Such a great interview! Really saw a side of Vickers I had never seen, awesome stuff

[@lordtark6736]

What an amazing actor!

[@fellmere]

What a great interview! Charlie was such an amazing discovery by the casting directors. I love how much he's really studied and read up on Sauron. Really brings such depth to his performance. It would be amazing if someday you could interview Rob Aramayo, since everyone says he's the true Tolkien lore nerd of the cast. I'd love to hear you two just geek out together about random things you love in Tolkien!

[@pippinisawesome52]

This is so cool that you got to talk to the actors! I hope you get to meet Morfydd; she seems really sweet! And it would be wildly cool to talk to Bear McCreary about the music because he’s brilliant! I find myself humming the dwarves’ theme all the time!

[@abinsreenivas1583]

Charlie Vickers as sauron is just amazing

[@jacklucas2123]

Charlie Vickers continues to be the highlight of the show. Great interview diving into the Sauron’s perspective and motivations. Thanks guys!

[@jaygrizzly2706]

Matt you have been consistent for years and bring such a good approach and energy to the lore. Thanks for all the content dude, the interview was great (as always) and Charlie’s portrayals of Halbrand, Annatar and Sauron was a highlight of the show for me along with Adar, Elrond and Arondir

[@MrJedabak]

I hope Charlie comes back on this channel, he's a very enthusiastic interviewee.

[@timothyhoff97]

the more interviews i see of the cast and crew, the more I see the passion for Tolkien's world they bring. it's like watching the behind the scenes of PJ's LOTR. The final product is made better knowing that the people making it care and have given it so much thought, even if you don't agree with specific choices they made (for instance, I don't know that I would read sauron as "giving into temptation" in the way charlie phrases it, but i love that he has clearly taken the time to know the character so well).

[@monicadominguez9455]

Charlie, you were AMAZING these two seasons. We love you ❤ Thank you for having him guys!!

[@judithstevehennenvacca8827]

TY Mr. Vickers….you’ve been terrific as Sauron.

[@jocelynbishop6816]

Great interview! It's wonderful that Charlie can talk about specific moments now that the full season is out. He's clearly put a lot of thought into his performance and it really shows. I love that he loves playing the bad guy.

[@hdwoodshop]

DUDE. Congrats on your success. You interviewing the stars of the show are validation of all your hard work and dedication to excellence. Congrats. Great interviewer.

[@BertoBerg]

Love that Charlie knows about Tevildo!

[@Silver-5-0-5]

Charlie Vickers is a great actor with huge potential.

[@baroni_oyd8047]

I love him so much in the series

[@nohbuddy1]

It's pretty wild he's the first guy to play one of if not the biggest fantasy villain ever as a regular character

[@ian8602]

My favorite character in the show

[@karentaylor83]

That was an excellent interview. I love when a fan gets to do the interviewing. Great job.

[@lordbarco8337]

This guy is one of the best aspects of this show!

[@mellllle93]

Sauron being like: „It‘s me, hi, I‘m the Problem it‘s me“ - do not be Part of the problem. Be the whole Problem!!! 😂

[@Havoc1019]

Watching Charlie as Sauron is amazing!

[@AnnaHash123]

I developed an obsession with Charly Vickers performance. Without him sauron is incomplete. And without Charlie no rings of power series. He is irreplaceable ❤🎉

[@SamMase]

Charlie Vickers is outstanding as Sauron. The best part of this series by far. Imo this was the hardest role to succeed in and please people too so just shows what a fantastic job he’s done

[@Kendo_VII]

He is a really nice guy and for sure, the best of this season.

[@marygraceredfield2702]

Charlie Vickers is AMAZING! He is 1 of the reasons I'm loving season 2. I can't picture anyone else playing Anatar!

[@BUdesign]

He’s such a genuine guy and what a great portrayal of Sauron