Everything Wrong With Sonic Forces in 32 Minutes

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SONIC FORCES, MORE LIKE SONIC FARCES AMIRITE?
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[@ykzslimnano3370]

Past Knuckles: a hot head Present Knuckles: an idiot

[@Genericname]

SorryWe’reClosed yeah wtf happened he actually had some character now he's just dumb

[@modernnerd5592]

After the Sonic Boom series, I miss Badass Knuckles 😞

[@christinehoward2410]

You are wrong

[@icee1683]

I miss when knuckles was such a badass

[@Omega-jg4oq]

He is still hot head to me no matter how they disrespecting him or making him a joke, why? Cause It's Knuckles

[@dexious5911]

Tails: A single person cannot restore the entire world. Sonic Unleashed: *B I T C H S A I D W H A T ?*

[@ariannadravis3934]

May i remind you of Light Gaia, good sir.

[@mikeanthony3300]

Pretty much the Classic Series. After that then no Sonic technically had some help in some way.

[@ariannadravis3934]

Tails in Sonic 2, Knuckles in Sonic 3.

[@mikeanthony3300]

And what? In Sonic 2 all Tails did was catch Sonic (only if you failed to get all 7 Emeralds which in that case he is just as useless as he was in Forces) literally after Sonic already beat Eggman all by himself. As for Sonic 3...what? Knuckles fights Mecha Sonic alone and had nothing to do with Sonic's fight against Eggman nor did Tails (again with the 7 Emeralds making him nearly useless)

[@ariannadravis3934]

Mike Anthony Eh? I coudve sworn Sonic 3 had some..allright. My mistake

[@bat6353]

"The edgy side character hurt my feelings :'(" is a shitty villain motive.

[@bluphenyx]

At least, it is when it's done this badly. To be fair, they kind of skate over the fact that Zero's squad was killed, and the Jackal Squad was like a family to him, if not actual family

[@blazicgd]

Shadow's motive: Wanting revenge for the death of his only friend Mephiles' Motive: I am cruel, heartless and sadistic Infinite's motive: Shadow hurt my feelings

[@starvoltnexus3139]

Well I’m pretty sure that’s going to be Xehanort’s motive For becoming the evil ass that we all know and Love or hate

[@aniocitex1131]

@@blazicgd mephiles was more trying to be whole so he could destroy

[@blazicgd]

@@aniocitex1131 well yeah.

[@omega_filmzz]

the fact that shadow can just scar a villian for life just by saying something after they kicked their butt is just astonishing

[@painvillegaming4119]

I mean it shadow The guy didn’t go all out since mephilis

[@hypnospaceoutlaw3376]

He truly is The Ultimate Life Form.

[@susragejr477]

Shadow is black air force energy incarnate

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

@@painvillegaming4119 Mephiles mentally scarred him in Sonic 06, so he just decided to beat up a random funkie and vent at him

[@firepuppies4086]

Being fair... it wouldn't be the first time Akihiko literally fought heaven to get back at someone for hurting the feelings of someone...

[@chanceenglish7769]

Missed a sin: THE F***ING SUN IS RIGHT THERE, EVERYONE SHOULD BE MELTED IF THEIR THAT CLOSE TO THE SUN

[@lynxfresh5214]

Had Infinite yelled out "CRUEL SUN", nuked the planet and killed everyone thus ending the game.. It would've been an improvement from the final product we got lol!

[@berry3475]

Yeah

[@excitableeevee5817]

Too bad his last helpful appearance was in a awful game

[@chavithechurro3999]

Then again sonic survived a fall down to the earth from space

[@n0dash18]

I honestly thought that it was an illusion that was limited by Infinite’s lacking knowledge on the term “convection.” Or maybe it was one of those weird sun-like attacks like Frieza’s Supernova from Dragon Ball Z that doesn’t hurt you unless it actually hits you. Or unless it explodes in your general vicinity.

[@peanutfish94]

*SONIC FORCES ME TO MATH.*

[@KJ-oj5go]

Britney 2 + 2 = 4 - 1 = 3 Q U I C K M A T H

[@amb3rrif1c]

King Joe 14 maffs*

[@originalname5096]

*THAT'S NO GOOD!*

[@MegaBYSON]

IT'S NO USE!

[@phoenixconditt4368]

SONIC SCHOOLHOUSE IN A SHELLNUT

[@BeatBlast]

I just realized Chaos is never defeated He just leaves and doesn't show up for the rest of the game

[@RiqMoney817]

Chaos was jus like “Fuck this shit. I’m out”

[@LetsPlayWoomy8835]

he knew what bs was gonna happen and just didnt

[@lasercraft32]

He was defeated... in one hit in a cutscene, somehow...

[@BeatBlast]

@@lasercraft32 I'm not counting that shit as a loss, he just left like in SA1 Except in SA1 it actually took effort to get him to fuck off, here he just, leaves. Like I'd be more ok if he even appeared again even as an illusion from the phantom ruby, but to my knowledge he's not even in that giant ass skirmish near the end of the game, so he's just straight up gone. The phantom didn't wanna deal with this games bullshit

[@user-lz1wp9ng5d]

Why doesn't Infinite make a copy of Perfect Chaos? He can create copies of Metal Sonic, so he has no material limits.

[@ithoughtwewerehomies2840]

And like, the ultimate fucking irony is that this ,,everyone is hopeless without Sonic" plotline could've worked perfectly. If the plot was about these characters realising that over the years, they have grown too dependent on Sonic, so they create an alliance to try to save him, the whole game could consist of different sections for different characters, where they would use their abilities for their advantage (stealth sections with Espio and Charmy from Team Chaotix, maybe Vector beating up Eggman's minions and interrogating them, considering that he's the only competent detective in the entire agency ffs, or the entire team holding investigations in places Eggman was seen, so they could snitch on him to the alliance; Shadow could replace Sonic for speed levels, etc.), like they could get really creative with this. And then, they could add an ,,Episode Sonic" where we would see him trying to escape the fleet and then team up with the rest to fight Infinite and Eggman together. The whole OC thing can also be added, maybe as an additional mode. Besides, a plot like this could lay out the ground for the next games, where they can incorporate and utilize their characters. All I'm saying is, the writers missed out BIG time.

[@moca-pocalypseoctohog3045]

That's an awesome plot idea! Gg

[@pacomatic9833]

Wow.

[@Leboston547]

Yo great plot idea!

[@ov3rcl0cked64]

The idea I had was that after Infinite initially beat Sonic, Eggman roboticized him, so the resistance worked to gather the chaos emeralds to try and revert it

[@omfgpainkillers]

>Vector interrogating them Now I imagine the infamous GTA V interrogation scene with Vector instead lmao

[@doncocobean6300]

Remember when Tails ACTUALLY did stuff? Yeah, those were the good times...

[@An_average_BA_enthusiast]

Also, tails helped Sonic learn the spindash

[@An_average_BA_enthusiast]

@SeaSaltySandvich *yes*

[@kristincurry377]

Yeah those were good times... Yeah to bad those time are...dead now tails does nothing now........ Because he's lazy now.

[@at-rexontheinternet1388]

My theory is that's not Miles Prower. It's just another fox with two tails, replacing Miles who left for some reason. Notice that they sound different and that they

[@An_average_BA_enthusiast]

@@at-rexontheinternet1388 you clearly never heard of voice changing

[@sunky6250]

Are we just gonna pass by the infamous “Silver Voice Crack” when he says “Well Thought Out Strategy” at 13:53

[@amaikurusu188]

HOLY SHIT I NEVER NOTICED THAT

[@ScreenMoth]

WHY HAVE I NOT NOTICED

[@jolt3555]

HOW DID I MISS THAT?!

[@jacklideen4296]

I just noticed that and I'm dead from laughter.

[@veasley1215]

Oh my God that’s bad!🤢

[@vendettatamsu3662]

There’s literally no explanation for the Phantom Ruby’s power other than it being a fucking bootleg version of the Reality Stone lol

[@felps_4500]

Yeah, it doesn't explains in Mania either (unless I missed something), Eggman and his robots just found it buried on the ground and called it a day

[@shade08538]

If it was the reality stone Eggman would’ve won, literally could’ve turned everyone into bubbles before they could even move

[@lobardodelainternet4253]

( @@felps_4500 ) In Mania, Classic Eggman kinda found the Phantom Ruby, and I'm assuming it's one of the prototypes that Modern Eggman lost on his experiments. Still, the Phantom Ruby from Sonic Mania didn't had a power source, as far as I remember.

[@ackarcue203]

You know, bootleg reality stone makes sense considering the glitch effects.

[@aaamogusthespiderever2566]

@@felps_4500 not to mention it was on angel island too.

[@hedgehg1031]

Tails: "we did it!" "You didn't do shit tails"

[@isislemons303]

Remember when Tails actually DID stuff in the plot? Heck, ANYONE that isn't Sonic for that matter

[@isislemons303]

Anyone else just missing the days where the other characters actually MATTERED to the story? And weren't just thrown in there with Nothing to do? Why did So much have to change?

[@dappleofthedualies]

sonic fan afraid of change be like:

[@DaniPaunov]

"Is it an illusion or is it a reality?" "...Yes."

[@gavinbrown216]

I like to think of it as creating an overlapping sub-reality, if that makes any sense

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Is this the real life, or is this just fantasy?

[@lordtallon5610]

PosthumanHeresy caught in a landslide

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll]

@@lordtallon5610 no escape from reality.

[@rev311mycrown6]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll open your eyes

[@eddy7346]

Infinite's backstory: Infinite: Dad, Shadow made fun of me!!! D': Eggman: Here's a magical gemstone Dear god this story was complete garbage

[@neptune-waltzesinvoid]

X_AAero_X My bad.

[@naomimontanez8273]

It's funny because it's true

[@PotatoHedgehog]

X_AAero_X 10/10.

[@melware1372]

Give that man an Oscar.

[@navlettetahi6384]

I know who i’m gonna kill tonight.

[@conorandkanohi]

I gotta say, I am SO impressed with how IDW managed to craft a story with the broken, chewed up jigsaw pieces left by the Forces writers. Major props to Ian Flynn & the IDW team, & looking forward to Flynn writing Frontiers.

[@SavouryGalette]

Fun fact: The line that says Sonic was tortured for six months was actually a translation error. Nobody actually mentions that he was tortured in the Japanese version. Also, remember when Sonic villains had good character motivations?

[@ethanhinton4549]

Same with Tails "losing it", they just say he's missing. Wouldn't be surprised if the changes were intentionally edging up the dialog.

[@AluminumFusion22]

​@@ethanhinton4549Maybe the intent was to say Tails lost the will to fight against Eggman because Sonic was thought to be dead?

[@lumina2192]

"SONIC FORCES ME TO MATH!" I see what you did there

[@M_ZS19]

lol

[@Joshua05005]

17:10

[@unspeakableflame292]

Sonic schoolhouse would like to have a word with you

[@theneoreformationist]

That pun felt a little forced

[@scourge3662]

That's the captions. He didn't even say that "SONIC FORCES MADE A MATH"

[@LaysergSyrus]

"Oh fuck no. Tails, you've fought and DEFEATED Chaos 4! The h3ll are you scared of Chaos 0 for?" I completely lost on this scene.

[@spindash64]

if sonic couldn't win, what could tails hope to do? heck, why even bother fighting at all? at least, that's where they were likely going with it. I really wish they pushed this game out to 2018 or 2019, since they had mania to take the spot for the 2017 celebratory game. The concept for the story would have been excellent, if they had a longer game to pace it over, and more time to flesh it out

[@rez7437]

watch the video on why tails has lost it by shadow 759 then you will know

[@senorpato3587]

funny because tails never actually fought any version of Chaos.

[@amiiinafedora2318]

Yes he did in sonic adventure

[@senorpato3587]

No, canonically speaking Sonic defeated Chaos 0, 4, 6 and Perfect. While Knuckles fought Chaos 2 and 6. The only enemy that Tails fought was the Egg Walker.

[@ethanhinton4549]

Fun fact: the 6 month time skip and infinites backstory were added late into development, hence why things don't look as bad as they should the weird lines like about sonic and the shuttle. And infinites backstory was straight up added AFTER HIS THEME WAS MADE. It was originally just eggman dabbling in his grandfather's field of bioengineering literally creating infinite, but they realized people expected an ACTUAL backstory and so jury-rigged the backstory we got. Without bothering to change the dialogue implying his original backstory as an organic quasi-metal sonic

[@mazkeraid4039]

Wait, really?

[@JamborHill]

So infinite was a newer shadow?

[@ShadowBon456]

I love when tails said were going to be friends forever shadow was like “ dude I don’t give two $h|t$ about you guys”

[@Sage942]

True dat

[@pixigirldust]

lmao man has his own best friends he doesnt need to worry about anyone else

[@Stargmr]

Remember when Tails did something? Yeah...August 15th, 2017...

[@jirodestroyer899]

Or 29th for PC

[@thelegendarykeyblademaster9848]

Luis Almanza and he also beat Eggman,saved the city and it's people in SA1

[@JDRider02]

He also showed little fear towards the Deadly Six when he got captured in Lost World, in fact, less fear and more "wow these deadly six look like idiots" attitude. And if Forces follows after Lost World well... that's just weird.

[@MasterXSakuga]

Sonicthefellow7 That’s the direction I thought they were going with here, but nope! It’s, “Help me Sonic! I’m scared of Chaos 0 even though I fought Chaos 4 over a decade ago!” Plus, Tails being a wimp in this game ignores all of the character development he had back in Adventure, where he saved the city after realizing he can’t rely on Sonic all the time. Once again, Tails has been relegated to being the one who spells out the plot for us, just like in Colors and Generations.

[@grandmasterblueberryice4882]

+wormsega2011 most accurate thing i ever heard

[@Kmore_]

Let me add something to the scene at 26:18 1. Considering the sun is so close to them, They should already be dead. 2. Everyone is looking straight at the sun, they should all be blind.

[@izayahcarter1406]

3. WHY ISN'T ANYTHING ON FIRE?!!!

[@Kmore_]

William Eskridge W 0 A H

[@nathanevans1382]

@@izayahcarter1406 I can explain that, the Phantom Ruby actually creates an alternate reality for its targets, that's why Eggman wouldn't die, the sun was real for Sonic and friends but for no one and nothing else.

[@elevate07]

The problem is that they don't explain the rules of the Phantom Ruby. Yes you see a sun there but do their brains register heat? I can hallucinate a car coming at me at 50 miles per hour. But once it "hits" me nothing happens. Because the car isn't actually there. And since I've never been hit by a car before my brain can't tell the rest of my body what it feels like to be hit by one. So aside for a bit of vertigo and a scare I was never actually in danger. The problem here is that Eggman proclaims that his Sun hallucination will kill them but by this point everyone knows the Phantom Ruby is just magic LSD. Nothing will happen when the Sun hits them and they won't go blind because the nerves in their actual eyes are fine. They're all just tripping balls. Their best play would've been to ignore the effects of the Phantom Ruby entirely and just beat up Eggman the way they always do. Because the Phantom Ruby can't actually hurt them.

[@tippership]

you're correct, but if you watch closely everytime infinite actually sucessfully sets up a attack- he activates the ruby, and it makes a shockwave that expands- if THAT shockwave hits like sonic and co runnign up on a field, or the Original character right before infinite summons up a sun or some cannons- THEN and ONLY THEN will it hurt them, because that earlier effect made it so what it cooks up , warps reality. And then it's effects are real- as it warps reality. Unless you disrupt it, like with one of hte prototypes eggman was creating to somehow mimic the original ruby's power, or presumably a chaos emerald since they've been shown to not play nice with the phantom ruby(also being fully reality warping gems if you know how to use them) Yes, it's stupid, as the Ruby is a budget chaos emerald that needs to hit it's targets with a field, before it can affect them- along with offering some other minor powers. lol, it's also a budget, psuedo, needs-setup-to-activate reality gem, But anyway, one chaos emerald can actually probably do BETTER , without the stupid need-to-hit-enemy-with-a-effect-wave-before-i-can-really-hit-them thing. Also, i dont understand the power source stuff- it's seemed to be pretty powerful when it didnt have one. Same for the prototypes eggman made to mimic it...

[@uzumazin5099]

*Missed Sin:* “You said that no regular too can do damage on Eggman’s Phantom Ruby-powered Death Egg Robot, right? Then WHY DOES BOULDERS AND MY GRAPPLING HOOK KICK DO MORE DAMAGE THAN AN ALIEN-POWERED WEAPON???”

[@Uxiry-I]

“Without sonic, the people are losing hope and giving into despair.” Suddenly, Danganronpa.

[@RudoMike21]

Now with animals and robo-oh shit it’s just K1-BO and some of the animal lovers.

[@snowprintgaming3387]

“A single person cannot restore the entire world.” Where was this quote when Silver came to the present in Sonic 06? We REALLY coulda used that-

[@westsimoloi6974]

Forces story is all 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

[@Swagmaster-oq2yw]

It's no use

[@Sage942]

@@Swagmaster-oq2yw im dying lol

[@kariwinder1784]

31:46 infinite literally didn’t care about omega he was like “as I was saying before I was RUDLEY interrupted”

[@aylenpons6682]

Dammit I read it with his voice.

[@tantris2876]

@@aylenpons6682 same and I’m only on 18:18

[@777powerless]

@@aylenpons6682 ghost. H gg. H. Kk. Injury koc. K. O v look. Optic. Pilot

[@777powerless]

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[@berniebroig8745]

Charriii5: "How has Sonic managed to remain so cheery after 6 months of torture?" Eggman: "You are now my prisoner, Sonic. Endless pain and torment await you!" Sonic: "Hue ha! Joke's on you, I'm into that shit!"

[@plaguebringer7865]

Sonic is a masochist confirmed

[@vanderquakSP]

I imagine the only way to torture Sonic is to take away the one thing he feels complete with: his speed. It’s been stated multiple times that Sonic is not the type of person that likes waiting, so force him to slow down, and he’ll be begging for mercy.

[@xR4d0nx]

SONIC NO DONT GIVE THE FREAKS MORE IDEAS

[@NitroIndigo]

@@vanderquakSP So... Eggman made him play Sonic Labyrinth?

[@vanderquakSP]

@@NitroIndigo Probably

[@lezelligfan]

Sonic being mature level over the decades: Classic decade (90's): A little bit more mature mario Adventure decade (2000's): LITERAL GUNS Modern decade (2010's): the puwer uf frienship is güd and save da wurld recyiclng

[@mc-ate-bit3814]

It's evolving, just backwards

[@spittin_BXRS]

LOL

[@jeiku5041]

Sonic had its edgy teenage phase.

[@hazysnowstudios7553]

Yea but Sonic Heroes is the power of friendship too and everyone loved that game. Also the adventure games where stupid edgy, you could cut yourself trying to play them.

[@lezelligfan]

@@hazysnowstudios7553 "Everyone loved that game"

[@GenericHedgehog]

But seriously, Sonic Forces lulled a Suicide Squad with the badguy, advertising Infinite as the main villain (like SS advertised Joker as the main villain), and then Infinite just fucks off, like the Joker did in Suicide Squad. And seriously, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO INFINITE.?

[@yoyosilverx5108]

Disappears after you beat him, but Japanese Infinite screams in agony for some reason implying that he died

[@gabrielshishido9965]

I think they did this just to put him in other games without creating plot holes

[@ivanmegafanboy1981]

Eggman sucked the phantom ruby Infinite had into the Death egg robot. I think Infinite died.

[@Chixel]

Kat Summers why is SS in it?

[@ccateni28]

Kat Summers He screamed in the Japanese versions of the voices. So... He may have died or been teleported.

[@TimG57867]

Here’s a sin you forgot: The 4 clones Infinite created at the start of the game were able stomp on Sonic. Yet in the climax, the generic citizens are able to fight them off and your friends plow through them. Inverse Ninja Law at its most egregious.

[@richardgibson8403]

TimG57867 I'm guessing infinite required resources of some kind to make them strong, so in the end it was quantity over quality

[@mreverything7056]

No dude they could fight against all the clones because the citizens are just more copy and pasted custom avatars of people from around the world.

[@jsoto9795]

Mr Everything 70 all the animals in the war cutsean are all the same for every game they are untrained citezinse with flamethrowers tazers and reality warping guns sounds good to me

[@dappleofthedualies]

What a better idea would be is to mass produce stuff like androids, and Artificial Chaos, and Metal Sonics and such. They may not be as powerful as custom made, but they would be durable.

[@DaSheepKiller]

A question I don't really see asked is... did Shadow use Chaos Control without an emerald, or does he have an emerald and we just don't see it? Either way, with that Shadow should be able to take on Infinite, either by himself or teamed up with someone else like Silver. If you think about it, Shadow + Silver should be even more effective against Infinite than Sonic + OC was.

[@carlo6217]

Um shadow was always able to use chaos control with out a emerald and has chaos powers I mean he is made out of chaos energy

[@matthewbailey1179]

He can use chaos control without an emerald but its effects are weakened, only able to teleport short distances and stop time for a few seconds It scales up the more emeralds he has

[@DaSheepKiller]

Okay, so I didn't realize that Shadow can use Chaos Control without an emerald. But that still doesn't change that I think Shadow & Silver could've been enough for Infinite if Sonic & Original The Character was.

[@overlord2.010]

Ultamite Life Form that has powers of not only chaos control, chaos blast and chaos spear. Regardless of having the emerald, it doesn't matter

[@analothor]

@@carlo6217 since when, I thought he was just a hedgehog, black doom hybrid, how does that entail chaos powers ?

[@marvble_shmarvble]

“The fortress reactor was just a decoy!” This scene is literally the video game equivalent of Eggman never dying in Courtney(ProjectSNT)’s SNT comic she made when she was like, *9.* Just think about that. *A full fledged, company made game, having continuity just as bad as a comic made by a 9 year old does.* Now that’s just sad.

[@hypnospaceoutlaw3376]

What's worse, the SNT Comics have better writing than this.

[@marvble_shmarvble]

@@hypnospaceoutlaw3376 True tbh

[@ericb3157]

yeah, just like the movie industry, they think flashy visual effects are ALL that matters.

[@ShadowPersona0]

In Gerneration: We are traveling though time and space. In Force: Oh, you're that Sonic from another dimension. *face palm*

[@billcipher3180]

its supposed to be mania sonic after being teleported to sonic forces after defeating heavy king and then fatass created 10 fake phantom rubies and powering up infinite with the ruby also why didnt he use the phantom emerald instead of waiting for the mania counterpart to come to his world

[@The_McRib]

Maybe its because he lives in a 2D version of their universe though. He's a past version of Sonic but also lives in the 2nd dimension.

[@NitroIndigo]

Reminds me of that Doctor Who episode where there are aliens that come from a 2D universe that eat humans and turn them into wall murals. Doctor Who is weird.

[@sonicthehedgehog84]

Tyler Satterfield "phantom emerald"?

[@mohammednegm4007]

There is actually no sense in the fact that Classic Sonic is from another time, because HE'S ALSO F*CKING 15!

[@adamidrissi6241]

*Goes inches into water and dies* *Tries to breathe in deep space and ends up okay*

[@martawashington6448]

I Never Even Cared. Confusion, much.

[@boopsboops7692]

Oh and null space...what the f is a null space, how can sonic...exist in the null space, why are there LITERAL THINGS IN THE WORLD THAT HAS NOTHING and most importantly:there’s no air in null space... And also why dident infinite just fill null space with water and delete the evil cubes. And EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE NULL SPACE TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE THERE SHOULDENT BE ANYTHING BUT THE WATER YOU WOULD HAVE FILLED NULL SPACE WITH!?

[@breadcat1334]

Your logo combines with the Logic of that coment

[@monoko1234]

@@boopsboops7692 Also Null Space has something which causes gravity.

[@LockwoodTheScientist]

“It’s been generations since I’ve seen you.” This broke me.

[@chrismaystar3014]

What surprises me most about the Forces-Phantom Ruby is that it's kind of easy to explain away. Eggman makes a bunch based on what the OG Phantom Ruby did. They're not as good, but they can get the job done under these circumstances. If you're within range of Infinite activating the ruby, your body will sense what "illusions" he makes up. If the illusions would've caused death, you've gone catatonic. If you're out of range, everybody just looks crazy to you.

[@filletofish2200]

The return of Shadow kicking somebody in the back of the head

[@dakotamatheson9884]

Shadow the hedgehog 2 The Kickening.

[@gavinwilson3707]

69th like

[@jacklideen4296]

Yea

[@Yasuuuuuuuu]

Chaos control 2. ElecKICK boogaloo.

[@baggyboi8470]

himself

[@jimmer4039]

Sonic forces in nutshell Sonic: YEE TEAMWORK Everyone: yeah let's do it! Sonic: shut up I'm in charge now

[@monoko1234]

Only Avatar and rarely C.Sonic is allowed to teamwork. Weird.

[@wrlds.collide]

Then Suddenly Knuckles: Knock,Knock Its knuckles

[@ShadowNinetales]

@@wrlds.collideknock knock it's knuckles and his clusterfuckles

[@DJ_Curlyhead]

So, we're going to ignore that Eggman beat the hell out of Orbot after the null space incident?

[@romantheshowman5391]

Charii: i shouldn’t have to read a book to understand a game Ballan wonderland: FUCK THERE ON TO US!

[@sophiebubbles07]

F*ck it up, Farmer Ted

[@kryptonavenger2024]

By the way, when do you think Charii's gonna do an EWW Balan Wonderworld? ...Why wasn't it called Balan WonderLAND? That's so much easier to remember and rolls off the tongue better than WonderWORLD.

[@romantheshowman5391]

@@kryptonavenger2024 sorry for not answering your question for a while but I think once he gets done with some new games he’ll do it. Also balan wonderland would be a better name. Is don’t even call it wonder world anymore

[@romantheshowman5391]

@@sophiebubbles07 BAHAHAHAHAHA

[@thefrubblewarrior4678]

@@sophiebubbles07 .

[@sentinellj]

"One person can't restore the world" Tell that to Sonic Unleashed

[@royponeage2138]

Hell tell that to Sonic 1

[@jambofatherandsongamingjam8527]

@@royponeage2138 you mean THE ENTIRE CLASSIC SERIES?!?!?!

[@ultimatewolfgaming4171]

Let me reiterate what I said in my reply to the comment three comments above me on my screen; even then it was two beings; Sonic and Light Gia (Chip)

[@sentinellj]

@@ultimatewolfgaming4171 That is true Sonic got them to the temples and Chip activated them to restore the Emeralds

[@jimbi0768]

I wanna to remind you that sonic unleased takes place IN EARTH and forces take place IN SONIC'S WORLD. Light Gaia can't do enything outside of Earth.

[@manicunderground4247]

I remember when Tails did stuff... It was a good time.

[@redpikmin017]

Yeah till heroes and that game may not have had a long story but gameplay somewhat took longer

[@aminatta7350]

Classic Tails is better than modern tails, classic can fly longer,is more brave, can fight badniks, doesn’t play fortnite while his best friend is beaten to a sh*t.

[@jediminecraft2012]

Tails all day everyday. F in the chat.

[@aminatta7350]

Red pikmin 06 actually but that doesn’t exist so just shadow the hedgehog was he helpful to

[@redpikmin017]

@@aminatta7350 exactly why I said since heroes

[@cryerboys4849]

I just realized. Egg Dragoon was supposed to be one of the coolest boss fights right? Even Modern Sonic nearly lost to it in the cutscenes the first time he fought it. But Classic Sonic, someone clearly weaker than Modern, beats it like it's nothing

[@lasercraft32]

Hee hoo rocks go brrrrrr! Why did Eggman even use the Dragoon to throw rocks at him in the first place? Maybe the reason Modern Sonic struggled so much is because Eggman didn't throw rocks in those fights. XD

[@Quinnsicott]

can we redo this game but let the fans do the story? it seems like the fans actually know more about sonic than sonic himself does.

[@lynxfresh5214]

True dat!

[@Montesama314]

Now I see why Knuckles's resistance army was failing so hard. He makes ridiculous choices. 1) "Look, Sonic, I know you just endured six months of torture in captivity as the world descended into despair, but do you think you could destroy a weapons factory real quick? No, we're not gonna send anyone with you, are you nuts? Thanks, buddy." 2) "Hmm, this could be our chance to take a city. THROW EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE AT IT!" Also, it feels like multiple people were writing this game's script but didn't talk to each other. That's the only way I could explain away the GIGANTIC inconsistencies here.

[@ilopominecrafter]

Montesama314 if you research the team behind it, the game was made BY LITERAL NEWBIES. Most of the game was made by the interns who never made a sonic level save for the head who only made lost world, the development was mostly sanctioned to be done by A MOBILE PHONE GAME COMPANY, and the only experts or veterans of the sonic cast who return are the voice actors (just kidding, they are too in actually caring and emoting and being the character) and two people on music, one who did sonic colors and a few similar and jun senuoe, who was the music director from sonic 3 to about unleashed or one past and is part of crush 40. Its kinda sad when your only seasoned or veteran returning people for sonic is the freakin music people and no one else...

[@Montesama314]

Is he a robot or one of the anthro animals like Sonic (he's an anthro jackal, it turns out, but I only learned that by learning that a prequel comic existed and watching the Shadow DLC)? How strong is he? Is he messing with reality, or casting illusions? Can he get his ass kicked by some random avatar, or is only Sonic teamed up with others strong enough to save the day? The writer or writers don't know the answer to those questions, and neither does the audience.

[@Montesama314]

It's telling that the only Sonic game veterans are in the area of the music, because the soundtrack for this game is actually pretty cool.

[@peachypastella8647]

(ahem!) No chaos emeralds in Sonic Forces. The ONE time we would've needed them...

[@lapislazulirecords9072]

Kate Willis what about sonic colors on wii? Oh wait it's only a DS Version available on final boss for super sonic

[@shiggy3695]

tray pendland he is, well, in the PC version, there is code, infact, he's basically finished, except there isn't any animation for him transforming.

[@dat0ne821]

Kate Willis would be great st cinema sins

[@randomhuman5714]

Dat0n3 GuYD0uGH Super Sonic is free DLC for the game (at least you dont have to collect EVERY red star ring to unlock him)

[@filletofish2200]

You have to get the DLC and it's free,thank god

[@SherlockSMasters]

I like how he show Big and Wave when Knuckles said "Operation Big Wave"

[@idadood2278]

7:34 Honestly, the "classic sonic is from another dimension" part is pretty reasonable if you take into consideration the fact that Sonic met Sonic in Generations. SOMETHING was bound to happen from a "time" perspective, other than the Time Eater crap. So basically, After Sonic met Sonic in Generations, the timeline split. So basically, all the Classic games take place in both timelines, in exception to Mania which takes place in the Classic timeline alone, and every non-Classic game from SA1 onward (so literally everything except Mania) takes place in exclusively the Modern timeline. In other words, Forces didn't make the retcon, Generations did, and in a way that makes sense other than an unexplained retcon in Forces.

[@Vegetafan756]

It's a mistranslation. It said "from the past" but the translators got confused when Eggman said something like "You're that Sonic from another world, aren't you?"

[@bakedbeans5494]

Stupid headcanon.

[@idadood2278]

@@Vegetafan756 Ah, I see then.

[@mikehannigan6143]

So basically the “Forces timeline” is Generations, Mania and then Forces itself?

[@jackhumphries1087]

I think that all classic sonic games up until sonic 3 and knuckles take place in both timelines, in the original timeline where generations doesn’t happen, sonic adventure and all of the games after it (not including mania) happen right after sonic 3 and knuckles, while all of the other classic games (chaotix, 3d blast, mania, etc.) happen after 3 and knuckles in the timeline where generations DOES happen.

[@sharkkface2713]

Tails: right, right, right that makes sense! Me and you at the same exact time: *no it doesn't*

[@rayplaysgamesrpg7233]

Part of me feels like you need to play Sonic Mania to get why this occurred... And other times it feels like it wasn't necessary. You can see they clearly tried to make a Phantom Ruby trilogy but Forces kinda let it down.

[@aylenpons6682]

@@rayplaysgamesrpg7233 Even if I don't like the way they introduce the phantom ruby and Im sure it's qualities will change in each game for come. I habe yo say I dont dislike that much the idea of modern sonic being the alternantive universe version of classic sonic.

[@mileymint]

Sameee

[@mileymint]

@The orange fox boy one question... H O W

[@DemonDethchase]

I was actually just before and then I started laughing when I heard it, but it was a laugh of despair! XD

[@smolbean68]

“Flee screaming, and I’ll let you live.” “Okay then. AHHHH-“

[@billydoss6014]

I am running but then I will get revenge

[@faultf4]

*Runs reciting the FitnessGram PacerTest Script in a loud volume*

[@crazymochacchino6209]

*[ High-Pitched Screaming ]*

[@inotonline8838]

Frick you Infinite! I’ll be back for you!!

[@ae.c.doub18]

32:23 I literally spoiled myself on the game just to see how Eggman would react to this failure when he was so close to having the world in his grasp. Sadly it was a wasted effort.

[@jamesthewolf049]

10:52 from his mask, he's probably using the left side of his mask to scan a calculate his opponents power, speed,strength, etc.

[@SunshowerWonderlab]

So it's just a budget f*cking scouter

[@AlexRodriguez0407]

So it's a just a knock-off google glass slapped on top of a mask

[@thebrazillianguytm2186]

ITS OVER 9000 ok sorry i had to do it

[@user-lz1wp9ng5d]

Or, he could be cybernetically enhanced.

[@exalaskevas4203]

when Charmy said "doesn't look like much" you could quote knuckles saying "neither do you Charmy. but I still found a use for your pointy but"

[@xnortheast1106]

Shut up

[@Han_Niche]

Mood

[@jackisback4873]

This just makes me think of knuckles and charmy rule 34

[@exalaskevas4203]

@@jackisback4873 u didnt have to do this

[@jackisback4873]

@@exalaskevas4203 yeah but I had to think about it so now everyone has to suffer along with me

[@EvelEyee]

Can we sin the fact: 13:23 Infinite Unlimited They're the same thing

[@moca-pocalypseoctohog3045]

Y e s

[@Joshua05005]

6:26 little did knuckles know is that he gave you the most OP wispon in the entire game

[@tacticaldroid5975]

What about the drill?

[@JamborHill]

I cannot count the amount of times I’ve been sent off the map with the drill

[@user-mo6cb4vb3v]

I believe you are talking about the drill

[@gravity8120]

I think what they tried to go with for the Phantom Ruby, was it didn't make illusions; it made things a reality, but could be selective with who that reality affected. So yes, it is selective. By making the sun fall upon everyone, Infinite was having that affect everyone except for Eggman and himself; it wasn't a part of their own reality. Which...OK.

[@ThKvhh]

"Its not like i can swim out to space" Its not like you can swim in general Sonic. And no, colors' gameplay doesnt count because mechanic's sake.

[@KinnikumanUpLoader01]

Say what?

[@fleefie]

*D R I L L*

[@moonbug7252]

Isn't it insulting that Tails misses the Sonic from another dimension? The Sonic in his dimension, who's been with him presumably since retro Sonic times, is right there!

[@mysteriousgirl9211]

+Salt Sama I know, right? I wouldn't be surprised if Tails sits where he is and thinks about BOTH Sonics abandoning him while everyone gets the world cleaned up.

[@moonbug7252]

Oh, but then he'll assume Sonic will rescue him when he's in trouble. Man, fuck Tails.

[@mysteriousgirl9211]

+Salt Sama Just like when Tails was attacked by eight simple robots (in one scene) and Chaos 0 (in another scene). ¬_¬

[@_Tzer]

its simple tails wants to go back to the good old days of sonic 2 and 3

[@funef5282]

Ikr? I thought I was the only one bitching about it! Like he's RIGHT THERE. The one you though it was dead, and risked his life to save you, RIGHT THERE. It's not like you're never going to see him again! It's super weird for me to see Classic and Modern Sonic being treated like two seperate beings, they're litteraly the same guy!

[@johnsonnosnhoj3851]

I fucking love how Silver doesn't go to the duo that has the most experience against Eggman but Knuckles who doesn't even have a clue of what he's doing.

[@ausdorian3252]

i think the phantom ruby works like If someone throws the "fake" sun at you, you will be burned alive however if the person right next to you isn't affected by the ruby nothing happens to him thats why eggman is so chill about the sun going to crash

[@ryguyc6]

Infinite: *has phantom ruby* Thanos: *GASP*

[@traktor420]

Alpha Wolf yes, more stones

[@ykzslimnano3370]

Alpha Wolf Sonic Adventure 2> Settings> Voice-Over>Japanese Narration>Confirm>Play stage with Sonic in it>Get A rank What sounds like Sonic is saying getting A rank: *Th An Os Di Ed*

[@TheGermanWizard]

You know what? If Shadow used a Chaos spear against Infinite and scarred him for life, i would understand better why infinite gets this mad and has tu use this mask. Would make him genereic, too, but IT MAKES MORE SENSE!

[@spikesvoltage8138]

TheGermanWizard He was already generic, can't get worse than that lol

[@greninjajoestar8771]

TheGermanWizard Yeah why could they not have make Infinte more powerful and not just beaten easily by Sonic they could have done more with Infinite

[@DanielDrawz_Vr]

I forgot chaos was in the game

[@thedman1754]

1:06 shadow saying "garden variety recon mission" syncd up so well with the music and it is so SATISFYING

[@mclife5830]

Sonic Forces me to make an OC.

[@CarbonRollerCaco]

Only if you want to play it.

[@manicunderground4247]

@@CarbonRollerCaco OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@isaaccruz7080]

@@manicunderground4247 i played it too, its kinda crap, but the last battle with infinite and the final boss was worth it

[@manicunderground4247]

@Sasha Smith Miralles Ah yes... Have you searched on a Manic OC that's not a mod? It doesn't look like Manic.

[@manicunderground4247]

@Sasha Smith Miralles And I can't make him.

[@awesomenintendoman7054]

Eggman: Takes up ten terabytes of storage by taking selfies Thanos: impossible.

[@vertigov5054]

Seriously how can someone be that narcissistic

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

They must be holding the take photo button like my siblings do, taking hundreds of photos a second.

[@EmberTheFlareon3579]

@Henrik Freitag He posts them all in his many alternative twitter accounts which are all stored as their own separate photos.

[@danielhardy9512]

I can see this working if the selfies have a rediculous file size, but obviously the writers did think of that lol

[@jmansword]

you know he's a genius right he could have just rigged multiple cameras to take them automatically either that or he could have robots take them for him from multiple angles

[@hueyo5317]

2:29 I like how infinite is over here saying he’s not weak while charri just called him a bitch

[@thefeatheredbutterfly7335]

Should’ve added a sin for how frustrating Classic Sonic’s gameplay style is. He literally moves like FRIGGIN’ BUTTER MAN!!!!!!!!!

[@jasonvalentino395]

Wow remember the days when Tails was useful. Ahhhhh the days.

[@adrianleonce455]

LinkToTheZach 13 Yup....... At this point, I lost interest in him. Sonic Team ruined him for me.

[@IKIGAIofficial]

Sonic and tails had the best dialogue in A2

[@BlueflagAlpha]

tails.......whatever happen to tails

[@3rdmonocle789]

Yep, you know it's bad when even Silver does something in this game (unknowingly set in stone Infinite and Eggman's downfall) and fails.

[@Pointerr]

sonic adventure 1&2

[@Zukenna_]

13:57 "I thought up this strategy in about a minute and a half." ...... "Oh, THAT'S why you guys lost."

[@whitethorndeer7945]

That's why you don't let anyone but Tails make plans.

[@hyperstargaming6150]

@@whitethorndeer7945 if Tails had a job in this game, it should have been as the strategist and weapon supplier. Instead... a bitch who recruits classic Sonic to the war effort.

[@inotonline8838]

God Knuckles is a terrible fricking commander

[@hyperstargaming6150]

@@inotonline8838 you’re damn right, they’re lucky Infinite and Eggman are both arrogant idiots. More so than themselves.

[@inotonline8838]

@@hyperstargaming6150 Knuckles is the exact reason we almost lost. I’d rather have Silver lead us then that idiot of an Enchidia -.-

[@thevioletskull8158]

Can we talk about how underrated the line "What are the rules damn it!" is?

[@davidlennon1069]

Extra Gamer Sin Counter: Did Sega NOT know that if the sun got closer the Earth would be LITERALLY burned out of existence before Infinite was gonna bomb the planet with it? That means everyone should've been dead ALREADY. Sega. What. The. F*ck. Sonic FORCES ME TO SCIENCE. AND ASTRONOMY. AND COMMON SENSE TO SOLVE THIS IMPLAUSIBLE PROBLEM. And even if the sun didn't burn them beyond recognition, that's WAY too harsh, even by Eggman's standards. Extra Again: Also, wasn't Eggman's original plan to make Eggmanland? If so, why didn't he do it from the very start when he basically had THE WHOLE PLANET TO HIMSELF? One more Extra: "You will never defeat me" but still gets defeated cliche. *sigh* ANOTHER Extra: in the end, what did Original the Character grapple on to? It showed that in that direction there was nothing to grapple on to but water...but even if he did grapple on the water...why would it send him upwards? *ding* And lets just say it works. He would be just heading towards nothing but water. Hope you got good swimming gear! (Non of these are made to be offensive btw)

[@Poker2735]

Rouge: There going to banish sonic to space! Me: Don’t worry, Sonic can breath in space because there is no water so it is easy to breath.

[@chellowcheese9069]

true dat

[@pelegcraftv5151]

Logic of sega

[@shadwterrancex5765]

The world of Sonic has a fucked up logic sometime

[@toddminnix8821]

@@shadwterrancex5765 and Jaws music

[@nd_4726]

how has nobody gotten this reference yet

[@jaybrensdal5475]

"People are losing hope and giving into despair." Suddenly Danganronpa.

[@CHEESEPUFF_7]

OH NO! I almost regret joining that fandom ... Almost

[@polkadi]

and now silver is voiced by makoto

[@CHEESEPUFF_7]

@@polkadi Oh yeah Forgot about that

[@cliffturbo2146]

Despair is a luxury we don't have! Silver the Komaeda.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

I was wondering if there'd be a Danganronpa joke.

[@Kiako]

Ok here me out for a second, I believe that the phantom ruby itself is, indeed, able to create illusions so real that they are basically reality. My head cannon is that Eggman tried to mass produce phantom ruby copies to fuel his empire. Additionally he embedded one into infinite as both a test, and as a way to make a new enforcer. That being said, the real phantom ruby was most likely studied or kept in a machine for cloning up until the final battle where Eggs Benedict decided "Screw it, time for the real thing" as a way to guarantee his victory. So basically Eggman would have found the phantom ruby, cloned/mass produced it, and allowed Hot Topic the Edgelord to hold onto it so that he can spread the chaos. Which would additionally explain how Eggmans phantom rubies are "Prototypes" and how they manage to pull of the illusion thing. It wouldn't be an illusion like the real one, but because everyone thinks it is, it does the job. I am not trying to justify poor storytelling, believe you me. But hopefully this would help the story make a tad bit more sense. Oh I mean scene doesn't contain furry lap dance. (+1)

[@ShadowNinetales]

That made even less sense than what was said in-game. Kids, don't do drugs.

[@Cheese-Slime-Sheriff]

You think I’m gonna ignore that “eggs Benedict part”? Lmao

[@Jgame0701]

17:35 I think that the phantom ruby was a very rare, one in existence kind of stone, kinda like the chaos emeralds, having one set in existence, which Eggman found was imperfect, which ends up with him trying to make them, testing their ability to change reality and be controlled by living organisms and machinery. He eventually developed the perfect one, and that’s the one infinite uses.

[@ZarisWhiteFoot]

My thing with Forces is why did Tails have a mental breakdown when Sonic was gone? In Sonic Adventure 2, when he thinks Sonic got blown into a hundred pieces, he didn't have a breakdown he just acted brave because he knew that's what Sonic would want. #fail

[@bluecorp8557]

Because Sonic Team is inconsistent with everything.

[@ZNemerald]

I think this is written by the same guy that forgets that chaos emeralds existed.

[@katawaya8101]

I really don't like this game for this.

[@cinnamoncinyy]

I think it's probably because of the new writers but- Ahh i don't fucking know

[@NeutralL12]

Sonic forces us adventure fans to stop expecting good story in sonic games

[@daniellclary]

Yeah, Tails and friends have been made useless for a very long time now. Wish Sega would make Tails awesome again like he used to be.

[@eroraf8637]

Sonic 2020: Make Tails Great Again!

[@blazingblaze250]

To be honest every character had something good

[@blazingblaze250]

Except for cough cough

[@blazingblaze250]

Sticks

[@2saph2lose28]

They also didn't include Crush 40. This is when you know that things are getting bad.

[@v1dmaker316]

18:49 I usually assume that it is the other way around. Like the master emerald powering the death egg robot. Also, how is the death egg a source of energy?

[@marcasmannarino2924]

A lot of things: A. The mask might be able to give him the information B. Blaze appears in the comic which leads to C C. Metal Sonic is only fought through Phantom Ruby because Eggman is turning him Neo again D. It seem like Classic, Modern, & Boom are each there own timelines

[@dappleofthedualies]

Hell, that might not be true either, we haven't heard from Boom in a LOOONG time.

[@ShrumpDump]

7:05 I’m surprised you didn’t notice the fact Tails said, “Sonic! Help me!” Sonic was kidnapped for a couple of months and yet Tails goes to saying that? Either after 06 Tails can no longer fight for himself or every Sonic character is useless at this point *Ding*

[@Disheartthorn]

@Bryson Aiken don't you mean brother? I'm pretty sure Luigi is more of a sidekick to Mario

[@reservoir4798]

@@Disheartthorn not rlly they dont act like sidekick and hero. They both go on independent adventures and when they both in a game they never act as if they owe eachother anything. They see eachother as equals and family which is why I love Nintendo and pray for SEGA to get their shit together and bring Sonic back into the light

[@mortemdaemonium5103]

I think, regardless of how long Sonic was gone, it was said instinctually. Like how humans want our parents when we're scared out of our minds. Sonic is basically Tails' adopted big brother. And, yes, Tails could've fought Chaos on his own, but think about it. Sonic's been missing for six months, presumed to be dead. Tails doesn't find out he's alive until after Classic fights Eggman in Green Hill, which is well after he's attacked and Classic comes into the picture. Tails is probably terrified without his big brother figure. I know I would be. Remember, Tails is 8. I think it makes perfect sense why he'd be wanting Sonic to save him, and why he wouldn't attack Chaos. Just my interpretation.

[@Mepphy99]

No It Is Just Forces done like shit and Sonic team didn't want to rush using other characters .... He fights in colors and Lost Worlds

[@rayplaysgamesrpg7233]

@@mortemdaemonium5103 Still... I don't think it'll ignore the fact Tails did beat Chaos.... so I don't know what the issue of Tails beating him a second time. And this is a weaker form of Chaos even. Tails fought "Chaos 4" as I call it. My main problem with how Tails is being treated is that he's becoming more of a character that is just there for the ride and doesn't have much of a role or thing to do. Plus for Lost World, they made Tails actually be on Eggman's team and turned him into a cyborg. At least he had something than nothing and always relying on Sonic.

[@HumanoidG0rilla]

Wow this video is longer then the actual game...

[@colingznetwork781]

Humanoid Gorilla it’s much shorter you mean

[@thebiolibrary5572]

Colin GZ // Gamer Boy woosh

[@enanan4]

Wow... Too much hate on this game

[@enanan4]

@@colingznetwork781 yeah it's takes me the least 3 days to complete a game and that's when I'm playing it like all day

[@thebiolibrary5572]

MimikyuGacha 778 woosh to you too.

[@Spingbannie]

22:15 bro was yelling so hard to the ping where his mic glitched

[@AmenKing1999]

Autotuned

[@AsrielDreemurrPlays]

I really want to make a fully re-imagined version of sonic forces. (I actually already have an animation on my channel that's meant to re-imagine why the custom character joined the resistance in the first place, though it's terrible because i'm bad at animation) but I have so many ideas that are in reality a culmination of ideas of how other people would re-write sonic forces across the entire internet (the good ideas, that the fanboys that defend the current BS the sonic series is doing). If this game's story was truly meant to be more serious and much darker, there's a way to basically be resident evil 2 levels of dark while still maintaining and E rating (Majora's mask anyone). there are so much things that could've been done, heck the story itself has a ton of un-used parts that was revealed when forces came out, like the fact that null space was meant to be a full level (un-used dialogue can still be loaded by simply glitching the DB section). In general I want to start a project doing as such, but I doubt anyone will help, and I'm taking classes in college to actually be able to make video games. I want to fully express myself not just in a form of art (which is what video games are) but in putting that art into motion. (sorry if this whole comment is A. long winded and B. all over the place, I just woke up at the time of writing this)

[@melvinlovesyou_]

i would totally help out if this comment is still relevant to you

[@AsrielDreemurrPlays]

@@melvinlovesyou_ I currently have a load of other projects that i'm working on, so at some point I might get around to this though i'm not sure when

[@MsFluffyninja7]

I think the biggest sin is that we never found out if the Chaotix ever got paid when Eggman basically took over the world

[@lpfan4491]

yeah xD

[@ilopominecrafter]

MsFluffyninja7 yeah, especially since the modern sonic of this decade is more focused on comedy (mostly dumb and forced with one or two good ones in there), this was a huge missed comedic opportunity. Maybe the chaotix lead a raid and confront eggman and say "we're here for that payment, eggman" or maybe he tries to distract them to get away by telling them he will pay them or have payment fall on them as a distraction. I know one of those sounds dumb but it would have worked better than not using it

[@darthutah6649]

Now that you said it, I feel like Eggman should have been the one paying them especially considering the reveal in Sonic Heroes. Though, now that I think about it more, Eggman was trying to get out of paying them in the end so it doesn't seem like Eggman has a good credit rating for mercenaries.

[@TheJayeagle]

Honestly... Forces would have been better if they randomly inserted Tails or Knuckles as the playable character in a few of the Sonic or oc levels. Yknow... To show that they are still relevant... Remember when Tails and Knuckles were relevant?

[@xo14k]

There were so many characters that could have been playable this could have been an epic game if they change up the story i mean the characters like tails are right there like i said this game could have been better

[@plague6566]

Yup still remember in heroes

[@protoluigi2047]

Sonic Mania remembers!

[@smaragdchaos]

Sega just doesn't give a shit about the other characters anymore. Remember Generations? Sonic only game. Even Shadow and Silver were reduced to being just a part of the cheer group. Pathetic.

[@shis1988]

True, but you see, that takes effort. Sonic Team doesn't do effort since 2008... And if you want actual effort, that would take me back to 1998.

[@RemyRP]

You have inspired me to take another look at a previous concept i made for a Forces Rewrite. it's really incredible the kind of work people can make just with a bit of will power and an immense love for a franchise and characters!

[@louise529]

One sin I can mention is that Sonic wasn't the only prisoner on the Death Egg. Why didn't he ask the Resistance if they rescued all the others when they discussed blowing up the Death Egg anyway?

[@wishmaker7863]

Excuse me but did you just _add_ a sin for the shadow kick? *_WHY_*

[@Cha0sSp3ar]

WishMaker agreed those round house kicks are the best lol

[@monotonemanny4705]

I think it was because he used chaos control without a chaos emerald.

[@SlickTactics]

It’s because he already did that in sonic 06

[@dreadangel3752]

Shadow has stated, at least in the comics I think, that he can use Chaos Control to a limited ability without an Emerald

[@Cha0sSp3ar]

Slick Tactics and it’s still enjoyable to see lol even if redone; that was the best part of 06

[@breadcat1334]

13:53 Silver has a voice crack when he says "well thought out strategy" You forgot a sin

[@tiki-nagasvoice7919]

I never actually heard it, then I read that.... Goddammit

[@nikeday4256]

Zyger the last 😂

[@bobalicous7743]

69 likes nice

[@lunapyrope9683]

To be fair, the Sonic characters are young teens/tweens so they’d be dealing with those.

[@dreamiinotdream730]

Honestly they probably didn’t do a retake of Silver’s line to push the whole ‘Silver’s a twink.’ Thing

[@user-ry2gz6lf3b]

9:13 Actually he does need his arms to roll into a ball, you could see that if you look at the sprites/models of his jumpball in the classic games/Adventure games/Mania unless something changed in the more modern games (Generations/Unleashed/etc), I haven't played those.

[@XhsTro]

Certified Sonic Nerd Moment

[@CaptainCretaceous91]

I admit this game wasn't perfect, but it had its good points.

[@nexizimas4060]

No

[@bluerious5475]

@@nexizimas4060 I mean to be honest, it did. I don’t HATE this game, but either way yeah it isn’t very great at all

[@bengilhooly3616]

@@bluerious5475 the soundtrack is good tho

[@Faelocke]

It had its good points. The writing was absolutely NOT one of them.

[@ShadowNinetales]

@@bengilhooly3616Yep. The music kicks ass, the cutscenes look good visually, it can be fun to make the dumbest-looking OC possible in the character creator, and that's pretty much it for good points. XD

[@warehog3000]

Sonic is the type of character will use snark to relieve/hide his stress. Eggman torturing sonic was most likely just Eggman forcing Sonic to watch every one lose hope wile he's unable to do any thing.

[@cleversmart0303]

Are you sure, Eggman would only use psychological torture against Sonic? You'd assume, Eggman would have a ball bustin' that Hedgehog's kneecaps, so he ain't goin' anywhere. Sonic took a pipe from Eggman's Jetpack in Lost World and let him fall to his doom.

[@thatoneguy9549]

Some Random Dude Legs can heal, but a broken mind is broken forever. Tbh, if Sonic would've had at least one slightly crazy line in the game, I would've assumed he was water tortured, because: a). While it does nothing to the body, it's known for being an incredibly mindscrewing thing, up to the point of driving people crazy. Sure it takes time, but I mean, they had 6 months, I'm sure that would've been enough to have some effect on his mental state; b). Sonic hates water so, bonus discomfort.

[@cleversmart0303]

I still doubt that this was Eggman's only way of torturing him, considering the amount of physical pain Eggman has to go through everytime! You'd think he'd have a fucking blast sending a cuffed Sonic to fight clones of the bad guys, just so he be used to wipe the floor with. Face it. They created this line, just so they can look super dark, but they didn't have the balls to go through with it.

[@julianx2rl]

I think the most viable answer is that eggman forced him to do some arena fights against a bunch of powerful robots in a reduced space, and once Sonic's done, shoot him with a paralizer and lock him again, and about the personality don't changing, I think this game should have referenced what chip said back in unleashed, that not even the energy from a demon was able to change him

[@hchozn]

Vexatron Primal He wasn't being tortured, it was added by Pontac. In the Japanese script, he was griefed.

[@ElectrikStatik900]

*_SONIC F O R C E S M E T O M A T H_*

[@bigcatwithkitkat1937]

ElectrikStatik 900 I see what you did there.

[@daanhuisman1040]

''sonic forces'' ROLL CREDITS!

[@stevedreisbach9474]

I got that pun too

[@infernothehedgehog-rl6iz]

at least your not having to be forced to read to get fnaf lore from scott cawthon like matpat from gametheory

[@awesomegamer1081]

MEME ACHIEVED NOW GO HOME.

[@gorgilovesbasketball8251]

Shadow has been able to teleport without the chaos emeralds since the Shadow the Hedgehog game

[@Game_Byle]

Please ignore this rant: The “null space” shouldn’t have been so useless, they could had a decent level where i don’t know, null space was absorbing everything so you had to platform around that stuff then double boost out. But instead they went for “sonic and OC were stuck in the zoos then escaped before something climactic could happen”, AFTER A PART WHERE WE ARE TOLD THAT NOTHING COULD ESCAPE NULL SPACE!!!!!!! This rant came from someone who enjoyed Forces

[@ardeththewanderer5334]

Remember when everyone could do wrk? And the Chaos Emeralds were at the center of the story? I do. Good times #67WasNotASin

[@angelita98gaby]

Ardeth The Wanderer some things never change 😬

[@KeybladeMasterSpike]

It's a sin because Shadow uses chaos control WITHOUT a chaos emerald. Sonic Team is just throwing everything at the wall hoping that something sticks.

[@Subscriberswithnovideos-en3lw]

“He’s just a dude with a gemstone” Wait, Infinite’s a Crystal Gem? *ding*

[@ssjhero1233]

Sega did it again.

[@shadwterrancex5765]

Ffs it’s a phantom ruby

[@Zecxrity]

@@shadwterrancex5765 r/woooooooooosh

[@EmeraldBat67]

@@Zecxrity its woooosh with 4 o's

[@superlombax1561]

@@shadwterrancex5765 Exactly. He's a Ruby Gem. Now all he needs is a Sapphire I guess to achieve his true power.

[@crynosinso8324]

2:09 I mean, Shadow is a creation made out of Chaos Energy and Black Arm DNA, and we've seen what he can do with his inhibitor cuffs off, so if, over the years he's developed control over his inner chaos energy, he could use his chaos abilities without an emerald. It'd just be extremely dangerous because he'd be draining his own energy pretty fast, especially if he were to use Chaos Blast. 10:47 I personally think that the mask Infinite wears is like a scouter from DBZ, I mean he obviously communicates with Eggman, otherwise he wouldn't know where to go to meet with Eggman. Or Infinite could be a type of cyborg project, which would explain how he's able to handle the Phantom Ruby so well, and how he's so strong and fast without using the Ruby.... Yeah yeah yeah, "Sonic isn't original" bullcrap coming through.

[@dappleofthedualies]

Well, these days the Inhitbtor Rings are as useful as a Motobug.

[@krub1124]

they tried really hard of making sonic's friends "useful" yet they failed again