Cheap Chinese 60t DT Swiss star ratchet upgrade sound comparison noisy hubs 18t DT350 DT240 54t

Chi - DT Swiss 60t Star Ratchet upgrade and install.
Link $48.50 for the 60t -
www.aliexpress...
(price varies on AliExpress, search other listings for best price)
The real thing, $199 for the 54t upgrade -
www.mtbdirect....

[@battistaverardi1240]

riding 2 years straight with the exact same star ratchet 1500 km a month with absolutely no issues or problems. They are excellent quality and bullet proof!

[@rubenvor]

Awesome! Thanks for the feedback! 1500km per month! You are a beast! 😵

[@marioluizsantanajunior5716]

Ratchet fovno?

[@battistaverardi1240]

@@marioluizsantanajunior5716 yes

[@arneledencallado1681]

Did you put first the red spacer?

[@battistaverardi1240]

@@arneledencallado1681 no did not need it

[@colin1778]

Have had this kit in for a good 600km of riding and so far so good.

[@mrfrogg46able]

i bought that cheap chinese gold 60t gearset. i fkn love it

[@peterharding5959]

U got a link from where u bought the 60t chinese star ratchet

[@rubenvor]

Sounds sweet! I'm about the buy a rear hub and that same Fovno 60T kit for it, as the hub comes with 36T. Thanks for the video.

[@vrod2144]

I just saw the comment on aliexpress link you posted. "I was the 65km home and the pedal was a total of 137km, when cycled strong in a climb the ratchet skated and grazed the teeth, the bike was in neutral, lucky for me I took my things a pair of ratchet original DT 18T and made replacement in time, but if you think buy it, Don't count on luck, there are two types of ratchet Chinese ever broke and it will break" i think everyone should see it

[@crischen7836]

That's probably the consequence of uncorrect installation. If the red ring is missing（or wrong side），the springs may not provide appropriate pressure to make sure the teeth are properly joined. In most cases they still work，but that may cause severe damage in heavy-duty use.

[@sulsj]

Thanks for the video and updates. It's now $20 so why not. I've ordered one. I will update here about the durability as well. BTW, the $20 Fovno ratchet kit has no red ring and grease.

[@billyrides]

The red ring is not required and the grease is too thick, use a lighter lube and check/clean regularly.

[@jenssnoeckpieters]

how is it held up is it stil good

[@sulsj]

@@jenssnoeckpieters It's been a year and still like the first day installed. I rode 1500mi w/o any issue. I've greased it a couple of times btw.

[@jenssnoeckpieters]

@@sulsj and was it for road bike or more like mtb its for my enduro bike

[@sulsj]

@@jenssnoeckpieters I am riding a road bike

[@larkinkelly3754]

Had 1 set lasted 9ver a year, another lasted 5 miles into the first ride. If you do this carry the 18t with you it’s a simple trailside swap

[@beintesaiz08]

What's the update after 2 yrs?

[@kenvysmiguel8817]

Thanks for the upload! I need to replace mine since the teeth was destroyed. I climbed it on a little heavy gear. Hkwever mine is ztto brand which is the same with dt swiss tech.

[@billyrides]

There has been a few issues with the ZTTO ratchets. The one in the video is still going strong.

[@kenvysmiguel8817]

@@billyrides i am planning to buy similar replacement ratchet like yours. Initially i thought that its because the springs might not pressing to much to engage both rings so i pulled it to strech however since the teeth were already damage it doesnt work.

[@billyrides]

@@kenvysmiguel8817 just make sure you dont clog them up with grease, go easy on the lube and lube it more often when cleaning/inspecting it.

[@kenvysmiguel8817]

@@billyrides i'll take note of that. BIG thanks! Ride safe! Cheers from Philippines!

[@billyrides]

@@kenvysmiguel8817 Enjoy ! Cheers.

[@Jan-Cort]

The red seal goes on last... pictures are in the aliexpress link you provided....

[@billyrides]

I removed the red seal completely about a year ago. No need for it in there at all.

[@arneledencallado1681]

I compare the exact position of 18t ratchet and 60t. The red spacer must go first in the hub side. It will not allign the teeth of the hub and the star ratchet if no spacer. It may damage on the teeth hub.

[@kazuviking]

It doesnt really matter which side it goes into.

[@ivanteo1973]

the red ring, according to the web page you sent, should be the last to assemble (attached to the driver).

[@billyrides]

I commented a while back that after a couple of days, I removed the red space completely. It was not needed.

[@mataman1]

@@billyrides on road hub is very much needed. Also springs that comes with it. With oryginal springs from DT ratchet was quiter and sometimes engaging was poor. With fovno springs and red ring it works fine and sound is louder.

[@hugobulleid7029]

@@mataman1 Which side did you put the red ring?

[@mataman1]

@@hugobulleid7029 I've put it last. So first go spring - ratchet - spring - red ring and hub goes last.

[@hugobulleid7029]

@@mataman1 Ah thanks a lot, i've got mine arriving soon so ill follow that order. Any issues with yours?

[@benj3433]

IMO the red spacer should go to the freehub. Because it has none. Spring is sitting directly on the bearing. What you did sir in your video is doubled the spacer in the hub shell.

[@billyrides]

Cheers, if you read the other comments, I removed the red spacer completely after a few rides. Its not needed at all.

[@benj3433]

@@billyrides if you had it removed, only the inner spring is sitting on its seat (existing spacer), the outer spring is sitting directly on the bearing. but that would probably not matter at all. nice upgrade, i am also using that brand for my dt350.

[@benj3433]

@@billyrides thanks for posting a nice upgrade

[@billyrides]

@@benj3433 basically treat is as the same star ratchet as you removed, its works the same.

[@Benri05]

they should release a 150t version lol

[@amdmg7]

Teeth would be too tiny and worn out too quickly

[@sanchez714]

Bro jajaj that would be to much.

[@johnpaulpalaganas4378]

There's this hub called Speedone sniper that's a 150t ratchet. It has a bigger ratchet diameter, about the size of the freehub body, to accommodate a 150t while not making the teeth very small. It does sound very fine and loud

[@Benri05]

@@johnpaulpalaganas4378 talo dt swiss sa speedone ksi speed ka na one ka pa

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I have a 64t hi tensile steel version, from Ali, I couldn't find more tooth for DT's. It didn't hold up well I'm back on the titanium coated 60t...

[@DarkstarDarth]

Most bikes are made in china so no fears. Gotta order couple of 350's 😁👌

[@sasori2037]

Update us if the ratchet will break or wear out.

[@billyrides]

Will do, still going strong so far.

[@mr1982davies]

installed it on my normal bike its been flawless so far the real test will be when i install one on my e bike to try out :))))

[@jayfersonlavina1929]

how is it now? any issue?

[@mr1982davies]

@@jayfersonlavina1929 nope no issues been awesome

[@manoz6194]

So they essentially made it like a Mavic hub? Hollow ratchets and one spring

[@rodolfoestrada9036]

Hey thanks for sharing this. Up to this point, how many miles now and how is the performance?

[@billyrides]

About 100 and no issues so far.

[@MathiasMassias]

@@billyrides what about now ? :)

[@billyrides]

@@MathiasMassias still going after 6 months. I know some here have posted reliability issues but not sure if they are the same brand.

[@jakec1483]

What about now 🤣

[@maikelmetzker]

@@jakec1483 I’m curious too!

[@aurelmilbrandt371]

Hello. The red spacer belongs in the freewheel and not in the hub, right?

[@billyrides]

Its not required at all.

[@ericm4342]

Up to this point, how many miles now and how is the performance? Thank you.

[@billyrides]

Approx 200 and still not missed a beat.

[@brunopletsch]

Hi Man how is the rachet? I buy one from other seller and other model and start skipping .. So i have to back to 18t .. So now the seller send me a 36t that i will install and see if it works fine

[@billyrides]

Still going 100%, mine is the FOVNO branded gold 60t.

[@colin1778]

Anyone else have the issue with when installing that red spacer it causes the hub not to freewheel when installed on the bike? I found that when I had the red spacer in there it was fine with the wheel un mounted it freewheeled with no issue. Bolted wheel into bike and the hub wouldn't free wheel. If i left the rear through axle just finger tight it was fine. but snugging it down to correct torque it caused the ratchet to lock up. Tried the spacer on the both sides of the just in case and both netted the same result. Had to leave it out. Spins fine and engages fine without the red spacer in now. I have a few neighbourhood rides on this same kit and so far so good. trails aren't dry enough yet to get a proper ride in. Ordered two of these kits and have packed the spare ratchet in my riding backpack just incase the teeth decide to strip while out in the middle of no where and or no having to wait for another kit to ship during riding season. still cheaper than the DT kit.

[@BigNad]

Spacer goes on the inside, not the outside. The diagram on the box is wrong.

[@BK_BK_ME]

same issue, the red spacer is no need for using, we dont need it.

[@kazuviking]

@@BK_BK_ME The spacer is there for faster/harder ratched engagement. It does no harm.

[@markgabunal116]

it's been 3 months now, how's the ratchet?

[@billyrides]

Still working with no issues.

[@Sir-Kay]

Do the springs go back inside the way they came out or the new rachet changes the way they go in? I see they're cone shaped and the pointy side sandwiches the rachet together am I right?

[@billyrides]

From memory, the wider side goes against the bearings.

[@CarlosThe0272]

EN un manual vi que el bloque de aluminio de color rojo va en el lado del Nucleo.

[@realecke164]

Are they still working?

[@georgedaswani9155]

You sure the red/ring/spacer is supposed to go on the hub side and not the hub driver side? On the new DT Exp hubs, that red spacer goes on the hub driver side.

[@billyrides]

No, I am not sure. I seen that the EXP has a red ring on the freehub side so I tried it on both sides and without it and the hub works in all 3 combinations. Maybe its not required at all on normal DT hubs.

[@teodorsimeonov8752]

Bro the exp ratched upgrade have threads on the one side so you can tighten it to the hub body and you only have one spring its not like the normal ratched upgrade with two springs

[@bakustom]

I think the red ring might be placed in next to outside spring, I mean in front of freebody.

[@hdk07]

This compatible on magnet ratchet hubs?

[@billyrides]

I dont think so.

[@hdk07]

@@billyrides ohh.. Tskk planning to change mine from 24T to 50T or 36T

[@reynormoncal7709]

Can i use the zefal pro ll grease in a ratchet type hubs? Or not?

[@aznamnormohamad7317]

Billy .. should i use the original spring or fovno spring?? Its just arrive yesterday.need your opinion ASAP . Tq

[@billyrides]

To be honest, any one of them will do as they are the same.

[@JL-od4wg]

Is there any problem with this 60t ratchet now ?

[@billyrides]

No, still no issues with the 60t ratchet.

[@SmileyBoy84]

Hi. Still running the 60t ratchets? Just ordered some today 😅

[@billyrides]

On my second set, the first set failed at about 900km.

[@SmileyBoy84]

@@billyrides did the hub have any damage or did only the ratchets break?

[@billyrides]

@@SmileyBoy84 only the 60t ratchet teeth, I could still ride the bike gently to get me back to the car but some teeth were damaged. I swapped it to another 60t Fovno which I had in my vehicle and have a further 400km on the new ones.

[@SmileyBoy84]

@@billyrides ah okay. Ordered the fovno too.. will just chuck it on my DH Bike and take some spares with me..😁

[@neilgoth1974]

@@billyrides did the first one fail because of the red spring retainer ring?

[@teteytv2084]

hi man. just want to check the performace. im planning to change the rachet of ztto before installing it to my bike. TAI

[@billyrides]

I am still going on this after 6 months.

[@PJCC_BAISH]

@@billyrides how is it now? Pls give update

[@billyrides]

@@PJCC_BAISH The first one failed at 900km, the second set is still going at 2000km.

[@Saltydog547]

Just wonder other than the sound different, does it actually make your hub louder? i have 54t now and thinking if i should upgrade to 60t. My only complain is it doesn't sound very loud now.

[@mattdudester9037]

less grease / lube = louder. More lube = quieter.

[@RafalSto]

howlong doesit leastc chinese ratchet ??

[@JPSpence]

I installed these yesterday, and they broke 3 miles into the first ride on a technical climb 🤦‍♂

[@billyrides]

There's a lot of breakages lately, my mates lasted 10km.

[@eXTreemator]

How it's even possible. How can you break it. Only when it wasn't really engaging

[@brunofuke8640]

Top

[@estebandelreal9685]

its make it more noisy? or not?

[@billyrides]

Yes, its a lot louder.

[@trevlo9208]

Any rides on it yet? How’s it holding up so far? Thanks!

[@billyrides]

100% so far, about 80km of steep MTB trails ridden since fitting and no issues or skipping yet.

[@davide8492]

What about the durability? Is it reliable?

[@billyrides]

Its been 100% so far.

[@onlycycling2745]

Still working for you? Can i add squirt lube instead of grease?

[@billyrides]

I would use a wet lube or light oil instead. Squirt dries.

[@florencelondon4656]

😊😊😊👍👍

[@Lumperator]

Very annoying sound, like a wasp. Definitely my favorite is the XTR sound. I also like the crisp sound in the campagnolo hubs (but it sounds good, not like some kind of insect).

[@Pure-Luck447]

What hub is this

[@matthewmigdalewicz5974]

How would this compare to the 54t ? Is an extra 6t noticable?

[@billyrides]

No, I have both the chi 60t and original 54t, cant tell the difference. The Chi FOVNO is only $33 at the moment, check out aliexpress.

[@nc33228]

@@billyrides how reliable is it

[@billyrides]

@@nc33228 My 1st set lasted around 900km then skipped, I picked up another set for $15 and they are still going at 800km.

[@nc33228]

@@billyrides I ordered oem dt Swiss star ratchet upgrade 54t for $110 I’d rather not have it brake on me

[@jenssnoeckpieters]

@@billyrides did you buy same brand

[@Ninja_Revenge]

How long is lasted?)

[@billyrides]

Only fitted about 3-4 weeks ago, still has not missed a beat. I will update this video if it fails or starts to play up. All good so far !

[@killuaHunter]

Cheap doesn’t mean it won’t last Why you need to pay lot of $ for 2 pieces of steel

[@WioWio-sf5pc]

got a 370 dtswiss hub will this upgrade fit on it???

[@Sandro197]

No, it needs to have a ratchet freehub. which starts at 350 or lower for DT Swiss

[@adriancruz2322]

Update please

[@adriancruz2322]

Still using the fovno 60t and how many mile you've been riding with it? What do you do for maintenance?

[@GCTV0610]

How's it been since you installed it on your hub? Does it skip or slide or anything? I've been eyeing this one for a long time. Just want to know if this is a good upgrade or not. I'm currently using a 54t dt star ratchet.😁

[@billyrides]

Its been good, I have a real 54t ratchet on one bike and the chi 60t on the other, I cant notice any difference in the 2 of them, I wouldn't bother with the 60t if I already had a 54t fitted.

[@GCTV0610]

@@billyrides how about the sound? Is there any difference? Want to make it louder.😁🤘

[@billyrides]

@@GCTV0610 I removed the grease and have put Finish-line wet lube in there, same as I use in my Chris King hubs, it sounds a little bit louder that with grease only.

[@이호진-u9b]

영상 고맙습니다.

[@secrashes]

Mine lasted 2 rides....

[@petej96]

What happened?

[@billyrides]

Same brand ?

[@secrashes]

@@billyrides I honestly can't remember if it was the same brand, Luckily I was only a mile or so from home when it happened. The teeth on both ratchets was virtually gone, so I think the material was too soft to stand up to job. I now realise that it's not worth cutting corners on parts like this, buy the original.

[@billyrides]

@@secrashes I also have an original 54T on another bike, so far I cannot feel the difference between the FOVNO 60t and the DT 54T. I have seen failures on the Chi ratchets so can picture what yours looks like with the teeth all mangled.

[@tonywood7369]

I fitted a 54t Chinese one on my dh bike didn't last more than ten rides started skipping, yeah sounds awesome but wouldnt recommend especially at £55 buy cheap buy twice

[@wtfeatapples]

Really eh. Have you opened it up to see if its chewed up? Ill just grab the real deal I guess.

[@ピョン吉ざむらい]

なんか全部英語なのに何となく分かる動画でした。爆笑爆笑爆笑爆笑

[@tigerbalm666]

Constant whining sound is ANNOYING AF! Stick with OG...Less is more!

[@wilkinsonlee9278]

I don't recommend this kind of product. this can damage your hub as it is not as durable and strong as the genuine one.

[@JulioJairdeAlba]

Those are crap! I use them for a week in plain roads no problem, but the first day I full send on rock gardens and do wheelies I destroy it. Look at those ratchets, the springs are not conic and also have an extra red piece to compensate bad design. I get a refund but save your time and buy original dtswiss or at least something similar.

[@eXTreemator]

How can you destroy it. I just have problem understanding. Just because it's not engaging properly. But why? Too much teeth, bad engagement occasionally or what?

[@JulioJairdeAlba]

@@eXTreemator More teeth means more prone to problemas DTSWISS know that and explain in their official page. But don't get me wrong the original design of 54 teeth works nice for me! have several months and no problems. The ones in the video are just a bad design it does not engage and disengage properly causing premature damage! Stick to original DTSWISS or at least an exact copy of the original design if money is a problem.

[@eXTreemator]

@@JulioJairdeAlba if they match well there shouldn't have been a problem. But again if it failed then either springs were sticking, or the gears weren't straight or lubricant was sticking. Dtswiss or not it's doesn't matter, I just looking it from mechanical view. The design if those are ok although those teeth experiments don't look good. Chinese never do proper testing. Inflating specs even for gears, they don't understand the fuck they are doing and why. Even shimano hubs suck though.

[@christophe8572]

awful. put dtswiss grease.

[@iloveass69420]

I do xc, i wonder if this will last longer or shorter?

[@billyrides]

I dont reckon it will make a difference, the failure of them happens with a sharp hard effort when the teeth have not been fully engaged. Using oil instead of the supplied grease seems to make them last a lot longer.

[@davidlilja9180]

@@billyrides Great video and great follow-up feedback/answers. I've had 2 road bike wheels with 240S hubs for almost a decade now. I upgraded only one from 18T to 36T (the max I knew of at that time) a year or so on and liked the sound and effect on engagement too. Today I stumbled upon the larger numbered versions on AliExpress, some great prices. Then I stumbled here and have subscribed now, ta. In your video I noticed that with the machined ratchet faces you needed the red (nylon ?) spacer to make up for the recess and return spring tension on the inside and also prevent the outer ratchet engaging with hub splines as you mentioned. I didn't notice any such thing for the outer spring/ratchet face. to make up for the recess there. Are the 2 Chinese springs the same heights? Could your failure at 900kms be due to a lower or wrong overall spring pressure and therefore allowing the failure? I understand that with more teeth the 'thickness' of the grease/oil will influence the amount of teeth face that actually bears the drive loading torque as these are shorter because of this and therefore reliability can change. My guess is that off-road riding will cause more frequent ratchet re-engagement than typical road use will; I hope! Which oil have you used and how long has this oil and the 2nd new 60T ratchet traveled now Billy?

[@billyrides]

@@davidlilja9180 the new ratchet has done about 600km and has had no issues yet. I have not used the red spacer on the new one and the oil I am using is finishline wet lube so it quite thin.

[@ratballs007]

Wrong !