Cheap Power OR Performance Garage Chat- The New Ford Mustang GT Takes On The Honda Civic Type R!

[@MoparG_73]

You guys crack me up! Im 50 and will always go with the V8. Just a different feel. Keep up the great work!!

[@Oring_704]

@@MoparG_73 I love that choice for you. I’m about 50 too and I’m 90% this type R over this GT. Now if it’s a GT500 or new Mach 1 that’s different but GT vs type R is not close

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

@@Oring_704 I'm 51 and feel the same way.. That Honda isn't even in the same universe as the GT Mustangs.. It's not even a choice for me.. First off I hate all the new tech in both cars honestly.. But it's not really a choice for me it's going to be the Manual GT everyday out of the Week and twice on Sundays, but I get why people love the Honda's though..

[@Oring_704]

@@marcasswellbmd6922 GT mustang are dime a dozen. There just aren’t any Type R around. Resale. Fun factor. GT just can’t compete in any category except straight line. Mow if the mustang was even a tiny bit special, yes it’s a clear winner

[@4Kandlez]

26:37 You said you've driven these cars, if you tried the different drive modes you would definitely know they do change the suspension

[@vanashke001]

Oh Roman. I'm pushing over 700 in my 17 supercharged Mustang GT manual. It's completely drivable. I've never had it get away from me, ever. I can get 25 mpg, and it's an absolute blast. This idea that a manual over 500hp is undriveable says more about you. Maybe you're more foot to the floor than I am. But I've got 3.73 gears, and I only break the back end loose when I want to. On stock width Yokohamas, no less. Lol

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

Driving a Manual these days is a lost art.. I took my car to a car wash/detailer and every time the car need to be moved, they had to get the one guy they had out of 10 guys there work who could drive a manual!! Another time I went there to get it wash, I had to move it around from station to cleaning station in order for them to wash and wax my car for me.. When I was 16 years old I was driving Manual stake body trucks with 22 foot trailers behind them backing them up!! You can't find many 16 year olds' who can drive manuals let alone manual trucks with trailers on them these days.. Shyt I'm blown away by people who can't change flat tires, oil changes or their own brakes even.. And it is a theft deterrent for sure.. But the bottom line is I got the manual for the fun of it.. I didn't want the auto..

[@luiscruz-if1sg]

Good Morning ☕️ Happy Mother's Day to everybody's mothers

[@scotturich]

Honestly just depends on the case use. I’ve had the Mustang (previous model) regular GT and it was great as a straight line performer but my family didn’t fit in and my track tires were like a jenga puzzle to get in the car. owning the Type R now, I can put my family in it or a set of track tires and as duel purpose car it’s amazing.

[@Marbind]

Family is what prevents me from having a fast coupe. I have the Integra-S. Love it. Is what I always loved to set up my very old FA5 Si.

[@clubracer6]

So which is more fun?

[@Symphoniics]

@@clubracer6Equally fun, just in different ways. Mustang has unbeatable straight line thrill and RWD antics. The Type R is nimble and toss-able which is an absolute riot around corners. And the Type R gearbox is vastly superior to the Mustang

[@GeronimoBiggles]

I was cross shopping these 2 cars and found a perfect middle ground for the same price after stealership markups. Got the CT4 Blackwing at MSRP and I never looked back.

[@analogguy5548]

V8 - Front engine - Rear wheel drive - Manual - End of conversation 🤠🇺🇸

[@Dottydawes]

I would suggest before anyone buys the 4 Cylinder Mustang they check the issues on that motor on the Internet. I know from personal experience that the Eco boosts DO have issues. With the Honda, quality performance and resale value are simply at the top.

[@elizavala4347]

2 cars i would love to have, for 2 entirely different reasons. I do prefer the classic rock one.

[@markcoopers1930]

The auto mustang might appeal to more buyers in general and make it resell quickly, but it's less appealing for enthusiasts and it will lose out on being sold at a premium to the enthusiasts who want a manual. Remember, it doesn't matter how many people want an auto, it only takes one person to buy the car. It's the same issue with colors. Drab grayscale colors are easier to sell in theory, but buyers can just pick the lowest offer on the several thousand in that color. Get something bright and loud like green or red, less people will be interested but theres going to be someone REALLY excited to have that red and they'll have to come to you and your price point.

[@benblakeney7418]

Great show, guys! Thanks for the garage chat.

[@scotturich]

Roman just buy the Integra Type S, old man seats with all the Type R stuff

[@Marbind]

Depends on what you value more. Lateral forces(CTR) or Longitudinal forces (GT). But if you can afford it you get both. DarkHorse + Handling Pkg

[@jamesbeaman6337]

FYI, the NASCAR Cup Series cars since last year now use 5 speed sequential manual transaxles with IRS. And, on most of the ovals and of course the road/street courses, they shift on every lap. Just not on the fastest “superspeedway” tracks.

[@brendanlindamood4263]

13:00 pop the hizzle killed me😂😂

[@davidholmes1771]

Had to go back and Catch that, it was Subtle! ..I dig it.

[@ctrfk8740]

Which Honda dealer? msrp? here in cali wants 5k over or more. Thanks.

[@Olddahg]

Great metaphor Nathan!

[@1FiftyOverland]

The screens are pretty upsetting.

[@propertypreparedness6846]

I would expect the after market to have gauge clusters that replace the screen behind the steering column. I can’t stand the all digital either.

[@nick.i.am97]

And your Mind Very Prehistorical

[@Cloud30000]

I prefer what Ram did in 2019, with real analog gauges and a customizable screen in between the gauges as well as a very clear high res 8” screen set lower in the center of the dash outside of the driver’s view (not distracting) but surrounded by physical switches and knobs for everything. I added a phone cradle beside the steering wheel for GPS/map directions so I didn’t have to look over to the screen while driving. Screens can be good if done right, but replacing everything with screens defeats the idea of keeping your eyes on the road and using tactile feel and memory to change things while driving.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Y’all need to breath… it’s like your favorite pass time is complaining… it’s so boring, don’t y’all get bored being ornery?

[@WhatisaLee]

​@@LafemmebearMusic Or maybe it's many different people complaining just once.

[@TheKingOfKings818]

What did you mean put the powertrain from the type R into the Integra? The Integra type S uses the same motor and transmission but makes slightly more power then the type R. And it's been out for nearly 2 years.

[@ericwhatley1537]

Does the mini john cooper works compete against the civic R ?

[@BitcoinTo150K]

What these reviewers will never tell you is in the real world the Type R is wayyyyy more expensive. Can get a base 5.0 with discounts for $38k and at times 0% interest. Meanwhile Type R you'll pay $50k and at this time 8% interest. You can do the math but a few hundred month different in pricing. You'll also have to get on your hands and knees at Honda beg to even get that pricing

[@TFLtalk]

We’ll be happy to tell you that. Have you seen our community pages with viewers sending in crazy market adjustment pricing?

[@Marbind]

Today is easier to find a CTR at MSRP than months ago. The average is $5K according to a tracking site that lists the inventory. What these reviewers will never tell you is that the only 2024 mustang that out handles CTR is the Dark Horse with the handling pkg. That costs a LOT more than a CTR. The GT Premium with performance pkg and magneride is in the 55K without any other addon. That comes close to a CTR but isn't better. Even the Integra Type S is cheaper. In other words. The GT base is a cool car if you only care to smash the gas pedal to the floor occasionally in straight roads. If you want to take curvy roads with confidence and speed you will have to pay more.

[@BitcoinTo150K]

@@Marbind Hey bozo the 🤡 I was just talking price not handling LMAO. I don't care if sucked D to get MSRP for type R either you're disgusting. You want a car that can handle you get the SS1LE not mustang or civic. The mustang is good for making power 1000 hp stock engine. The civic is good for overheating and understeering. No modded Type R or GT can keep up with my stock SS1LE on track period

[@JacesOwnWorld]

@@Marbindwho cares lol. The CTR’s handling only shines in a track, and 95% of owners will never take it to a track, and of the 5% who do, it comes down to experience which 99.9% of them are average at best drivers. The point is buying a CTR because if it’s “handling” is just plain stupid. So many cars handle well enough in stock form to make someone giggidy while driving, and if they want more, suspension is easy to purchase and install. The Mustang GT is the better all-around sports car because it has the power and handling. Power isn’t everything, but it definitely is something, and that’s where the CTR sucks. For you to think a Mustang GT can’t handle and bring out a ton of laughter and smiles in curvy roads, is just plain dumb on your end. It basically shows your lack of driving skill…

[@Marbind]

@@JacesOwnWorld says that power isn’t everything and then follows that the CTR sucks because it lacks power but has excellent driving dynamics. Oh the irony 🤦

[@georgearevalo781]

Performance and power..THE STANG!

[@briantye4609]

Cool that you said “Charlotte” and didn’t specify the state. Maybe we are finally turning the corner with our chops as a national class city. 😊

[@danipetrovschi44]

Civic is and always will be an awesome car,maybe the best of it's kind. But the price of the new one is outrageous for a Honda and nobody can't argue with that

[@ROVA00]

The price of cars in general is outrageous. Nowadays a car in the $30k’s is a budget car.

[@ConfirmedPatriot]

Exclusivity is the Type R for sure, unless V8's are outlawed, which won't happen anytime soon.

[@drnick40]

Two fantastic engines!

[@JROC734]

Just get a low mileage GEN6 Camaro SS 1LE, or Mach 1 with the handling package.

[@8k_all_day664]

Type R is just much more special 💯

[@joebrito2066]

My son has a 2020 Tacoma that he bought for 35k and 4 years later a dealer was offering him 32k. He didn’t sell it because of the new Tacoma being 55k for a TRD Off-road.

[@scotturich]

Twins GR86/BRZ would be another competitor

[@davidholmes1771]

Honda's blue, looks like a.. Shade-off, Laguna Seca- Blue. In other words, I Like it!

[@nick.i.am97]

Ford Mustang GT for me

[@coryu2403]

Same stats as the eco boost but they give no love to that makes no sense! If you drive the eco boost its hella fun 🤷‍♂️

[@Rskitalll]

I teetered between the two. Ultimately Mustang won. If it was a daily driver then maybe but Mustang is better than you think once you drive it.

[@Tony-hf9mv]

Blue everyone is trying to copy hydro blue. My RR is velocity Blue which is ford's version Pearl Jam vs Lynyrd skynyrd

[@BoydBrandson]

Excuse me, my friend, they do it with the eco boost. You have to have the performance pack with 355 Rear end and voila, you get 40 more horse power, 80 more pound feet of torque from the factory tune. All covered under standard factory warranty.

[@JamesSusanka]

something about the screens on the Mustang just bugs me. it is okay for the entertainment system but the gauge screen bugs me it just looks like they planted a tablet screen on the dash. just not liking it and I want real guages.

[@Kahless00]

Worth noting that that type r is significantly more expensive than a Elantra n and base model gr Corolla. For 30+% more money it better be a better track car.

[@DragonKnightX12]

Better interior and practically than both of those too.

[@-Magus]

I'm taking the CTR but blue is the wrong color. Ford won't warranty crap with a supercharger and stock cats. It's a loop hole that Ford and Shelby both use to get out of paying for damages

[@OG_John]

Often wrong Roman strikes again. 50.15 stomps around after he says nascars are automatic. Changes topic as Nathan schools him. Should have been Nathan and Cole, Roman on the camera.

[@NOXStellans]

Add some emojis or something to show humor🙃-Unless you were intentionally being boorish🙄⁉

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

I would get a Ford ECO boost Mustang before getting that TYPe R it's not even in the same league as a 5.0 at all...

[@christiandrangsholt868]

Ford Mustang GT

[@Gonzo1968]

The infotainment set up with two big screens just glued to the dash,worst design ever! Love mustang but cmon man looks so cheap ! Like the engineers just gave up! Can't be beat for speed bang for your buck!

[@jackcobbiii1797]

What happened to the chin on that 24? Needs some force lol

[@S650Ryan]

Base doesn’t come with splitter. Performance Package and Dark Horse do

[@jackcobbiii1797]

@@S650Ryan yeah the 21 base has more chin;)

[@jcw5007]

Checking in from just north of Rockford (glockford).....

[@marklion315]

Did he say the integra type S has a different powertrain to the Civic type R? You guys need help with your car coverage, thats bad.

[@Marbind]

Clearly cars aren't their strongest skill. They need someone in the team. Is exactly the same powertrain the only thing that changes is the tune. Acura recommends 93oct. Honda recommends 91oct on their CTR. The Acura tune has a wider powerband. Making more power earlier than the Civic. Also uses less boost thanks to the higher octane calibration.

[@ryanm5626]

You guys look at these cars and feel sad because they make you feel old. I look at these cars and feel sad because they're so expensive.

[@M_ann_M]

Tommy’s -WIFE?? 😮 When did that happen??

[@derrickschultz6871]

6-1.... are your legs and torso proportionate? Lol

[@atmartens]

Besides for the price, it’s a very hard comparison. The sound of the Mustang is incredible but the tasks of everyday life make the CTR a better choice. The Mustang is basically a 2 seater. Personally, I’d only get the Mustang if I had dumb money and would want something with a V8 and RWD. I’d rather get a Integra Type S because of the styling and luxury features.

[@Oring_704]

I agree except the integra does not come in manual last I checked. There is zero chance I could buy a sports car and have automatic. Yuck 🤮

[@atmartens]

@ the Integra does come in a manual. You either get the Type S or the A-Spec with the tech package (top trim excluding Type S).

[@jcollins1305]

The screens are AWFUL. It’s a GT Mustang! Put analog dials with a digital cluster for telematics but to have two huge ugly screens in that car kills the vibe for me.

[@trey1215]

You m kw this is the base so its two scree mns but the premium has one long one

[@JerryCecco]

Too bad the tradition Mustang Buyers CAN NOT afford $45k PLUS huge dealer addons getting to $50k

[@JerryCecco]

BUT please make MORE FREE HYPE videos so dealers THINK they can charge more

[@lamesamelame]

Civic Type R because it's a Hatchback. If you have large dogs, Hatchback is the Only car that Works best.

[@nlken7175]

As a mid aged man, I love to have a type R but it's a boy racer car. That's why I have a Camaro SS.

[@DragonKnightX12]

In this case I would say it's kind of the opposite. The FL5 looks a lot more mature and sleek than it's predecessor. The last Camaro looks it came straight out of Transformers.

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

I can't believe anyone would ever chose a Civic over a Mustang.. That's just stupid.. I will never do the 4 cylinder Turbo thing ever again.. There's a guy down the street from me who has a Red Type R.. It's a beautiful car, really.. But once you have driven a Coyote Mustang especially a manual you are in love... The auto's are faster in a straight line but the manuals are just way more fun to drive flat out... But hey to each his own.. Oh yeah at the beginning of the video dude was leaning all over that dudes car lol..

[@protectork9831]

Reliability

[@marvinjacobs2955]

Nathan wants the civic but needs the mustang seat in it .

[@toddgoho7162]

Nice comparison, but I cringe every time I see you guys leaning against the cars.

[@JarmelSingsKaraoke]

☕1st...Have a good day everybody ✌️

[@OnederElite]

The interior on the Mustang is horrendous!

[@JacesOwnWorld]

12:46-12:57 Bro, you were leaning the hell up on it at the beginning of this video lol. This bald dude doesn’t seem very knowledgeable on vehicles.

[@ryry7435]

$60k isn’t affordable with 7 percent interest rates & $1200 plus car payments. The middle man is becoming poor

[@derrickschultz6871]

Most manuals were puchased because the auto was to expensive of an option

[@robertopics]

Depends back in the day manuals were either for economy or performance. I'm modern cars automatic transmission have erased that deficit and on the really performance oriented you have the dual clutch option

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

The 1.5 Turbo's are horrible.. My God they couldn't even give people a proper 2.5L turbo 4 cylinder.. And they are putting them in their main top car the Acords!! My boy bought one used and it's already broke down!! Honda used to be most reliable cars on the planet and now they make junk just like Nissan and the rest.. Wow I never thought I would be saying that about a Honda or Nissan.. Even toyota's aren't what they used to be.. Nissan messed up 15 years ago when they started putting CVT's in everything.. WOW what a Mistake.. It used to be that if you bought a japanese car you didn't have to worry about anything but oil changes and brake job's but that has all changed for the worst..

[@Notsostrongman375]

Nathan didn’t seem like himself, especially at the beginning of the video. Hope he’s ok.

[@Hengsha]

bunch of cope automatic sports cars are lame idc if its .4 seconds faster

[@garys2157]

Yeah stupid Ferrari and Porsche using automatics.

[@billymania11]

Adults will gravitate towards the Mustang. The kids will favor the Honda. Both are good cars.

[@RyuMoto]

No longer true. Many of the "kids" who grew up with Hondas are now in their 30's-40's with money

[@Oring_704]

Completely false. Maybe most elderly people will gravitate to mustang but not “adult”

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

OH yeah Nascar.. The biggest waste of natural resources I have ever seen! My God what a waste of gas.. They just go around in circles 500 times.. I never understood it. It's like Oh here we go another boring lap around a circle/oval track.. It's nothing compared to F1 racing at all.. But hey to each his own.. I know people have a great time at those events and they are fun.. Just not for me..

[@jonlee580]

Get a BMW..u get performance and power

[@protectork9831]

Which one

[@aboen22]

Get the mustang if you give zero F**ks about driving dynamics