Cheat Ferrari Engine vs Weak Ferrari Engine

F1 Austria Leclerc Onboard
2020 telemetry obtained through "MultiViewer for F1"

[@yelistener]

Don't overreact or you'll pay a heavy price: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ-sl6GuorOSpqM

[@aptiveviennapro]

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[@ferasharb3067]

Still leclerc got p2 in both races His 2020 race was a masterclass

[@Utopian_Futures]

That might have been, but the disastrous speed difference remained, especially over the entire season, preventing good results and competitiveness.

[@asherjoseph4377]

It Is in turkey jus no luck for him...

[@ferasharb3067]

@@asherjoseph4377 both 2020 and 2021 Turkish gps were absolutely one of the best performances I've seen In 2020 with the sixth best car starting 16th overtook every body apart from hamilton no one gave that real appreciation like max's 2016 brazil In 2021 him bottas and max were in the same pace all race long

[@luuduonghy659]

@@ferasharb3067 Yes until his mistake at last lap cost him podium in Turkish GP 2020

[@algodooracer4536]

@@F1gilles are you deluded, he has so many fans

[@CaptainSlow2469]

2020 gives some serious ptsd

[@andrewmelton2686]

Back when other teams could win a race here and there 😭😭

[@thewickkk]

@@andrewmelton2686 but its almost the same like now. 13/17 races win by merc

[@atelier7516]

at least they still had a chance unlike now😅

[@Jon-cw8bb]

​​​@@atelier7516 they had a chance in 2020 and they have a chance in 2023. The difference mostly comes down to lewis being sloppy in 2020. Tapping Albon's rear wheel at Austria, ignoring SC lights at Monza, doing practice start in wrong place at Russia. Abu Dhabi and Silverstone we had max winning in an rb16 that in another drivers hands probably wouldn't have been fighting the mercs. The racing point was as quick in quali at the very least. In 2023 others have a chance to win. Alonso could've won in Canada if verstappen had been ever so slightly slower or he hadn't had the fuel issue which held him back. In Monaco it required a magical lap from Verstappen to take pole.. and he doesn't make sloppy errors like many other top drivers. He rarely loses points from anything other than bad luck. So far this season he won every race except Baku where he lost lead due to SC at pitstop and Saudi where he started p15 after driveshaft failure.

[@SamuelC558]

Ikr

[@maqiboysie1589]

The acceleration of that 2019 ferrari engine was mind boggling!

[@andisprasetyo2219]

Imagine a race car with sf90 straight speed and w11 corner speed

[@megumin3336]

Yes imagine car with stupid low downforce like 2019 ferrari and all the downforce like 2019 mercedes. Just imagine, simple af.

[@groundedgaming]

​@@megumin3336he and you yourself said it. Imagine. It wouldn't be that easy, but you can dream.

[@nicomusiani2091]

that's still the W11 lol

[@SSEF15]

it exists, it’s called the W11

[@danielo7985]

@@SSEF15 huge difference between merc '20 PU and Ferrari '19 spec 3 engine. It was insane, Lewis Hamilton with DRS, slipstream and ERS deployment would lose time on the straights to Leclerc when Charles won at Monza in 2019. Toto Wolff didn't hire the outgoing Binotto because of the stress the performance of the '19 PU put on Mercedes HPP. This stress caused many high-level engineers to leave Merc.

[@KristianLyubenovYT]

If the SF1000 had the 2019 engine i think it legit could've challenged Mercedes that year

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

I believe so too as the whole car concept was based around the warp speed engine of 2019 with it being super draggy and chasing peak downforce, also the fact the evolution of the car the 2021 car which did well at high downforce tracks speaks of this And if you look at the second half of 2019 the field spread between the Mercs/Ferrari/Max was a lot closer hence the relative unpredictability of the second half of 2019 with who could win

[@acasale25]

Yes I completely agree

[@themasterchefcollection8519]

The car was super dog shit corner wise from my memory so maybe not even the engine could give them the results.

[@thetable4638]

No way. SF1000's aerodynamics and chassis were utter shit and the car was draggy and unstable as hell. We've seen it as well this year with the SF23,the SF23 is a car almost as bad as the SF1000 when it comes to aerodynamics,chassis,drag,tyre management simply with a more powerful engine. The more powerful engine though is weaker than the Honda one because it has to run with much less powerful mapping otherwise it would blow up every race and it doesn't allow Ferrari to compete with neither Red Bull nor Aston Martin and Mercedes. Even if the SF1000 or this year's SF23 had the SF90 engine still they wouldn't be able to compete with the W11 and the RB19..

[@KristianLyubenovYT]

@@thetable4638 the sf1000 was draggy because they anticipated to keep the 2019 engine but slightly upgraded, because they were going for more downforce. however the weaker engine meant it. was slow on the straights and then couldn't even carry the entry speed properly into. the corner. the aero was definitely not as good as the merc or red bull but if they had the 2019 engine it could have competed up there easily

[@sambitranjan9584]

That 2019 car was accelerating like a rocket booster was igniting in its back.

[@miks564]

Since the regulations went into madness mode in the beginning of the century, F1 competition is mainly about the best team finding loopholes in the regulations without being caught.

[@tehidiotboys3010]

It’s always been like that though

[@miks564]

@@tehidiotboys3010 Yeap, you’re right. I found it different because engines had no limitations beyond capacity. Since the turn of the century they were forced to standard ECU, fuel flow limitations, etc. They’re slowly trying to make F1 a driver’s championship, not a brand championship. I wonder why some of the brands insist on racing when they face so many limitations to sell their own tech solutions. One day I’ll bet they introduce the same formula they have on other sports: Penalize the winner in name of competition. 😛

[@pedrodias7372]

Still think to this day that 2020 was Leclerc's best season and displayed what he's capable of. Dragging that tractor into places it shouldn't have been. But at the same time, goofy ahh engine 💀

[@emilekaram6094]

Yeah but now his head is burning and isn't believing to leave this team

[@daveruda]

he must have been so motivated and enthusiastic comapred to his teammate in 2020.

[@emilekaram6094]

@@daveruda And now it's the opposite

[@daveruda]

@@emilekaram6094 The circle is complete and Ferrari has broken another driver

[@emilekaram6094]

@@daveruda Ig they've broken both

[@mikeschepers796]

Would like to see this compared to rb or mercedes in those years just to see how much they lost relative to the field.

[@TheInterfan10]

In a hungarian podcast, an ex-Haas mechanic said that, Ferrari built the fuel system for max capacity allowed after the fuel flow sensor. You can bring fuel through the sensor all the time hence they could store the fuel in the system (after the sensor) so they could get more fuel into the engine when needed . After the FIA realized how it worked, simply reduced the capacity of the fuel system after the sensor.

[@Missle636]

Just to clarify here, the secret deal isn't "rumored". It was explicitely communicated by the FIA that they reached a settlement after their analysis of the Ferrari PU, the specifics of which "will remain between the parties." So that the deal exists isn't a secret. The details of said deal is.

[@godfather95mbs33]

But they never proved that ferrari cheated

[@Missle636]

@godfather95mbs33 How do you know? They got Ferrari to agree to a settlement that made their engine suddenly uncompetitive.

[@t-r-k7534]

FIA didn't find anything wrong in the engine, they just knew something was bad, ferrari told them what was "wrong" FIA decided it wasn't illegal but was "against the spirit of the regulation" (like an outwash front wing would be in the current regulations) so they settled for a "lower" penalty, less fuel for 2020 season

[@user-cj8jl8xy7e]

Actually every team's straight line speed has decreased after Sochi, Ferrari has just made SF1000 too draggy, even after their trick isn't work

[@CamiloRomerocarajo87]

Getting addicted to your videos. Great quality and analysis.

[@godfather95mbs33]

The fact that leclerc got a p2 with the sf1000 in a power track shows that hes the most underappreciated driver on the grid

[@hersencell6880]

Well in Austria 2019 Ferrari didn’t have their cheat engine yet. The sf90 was also extremely slippery in a straight line (it also was a more predictable car). While the SF1000 was not.

[@DonLee1980]

you are delusional. The Ferrari engine in 2018 was already using some cheats. In 2019 it went a big step forward more using both more fuel and burning oil on top.

[@hersencell6880]

@@DonLee1980 In late 2018 Ferrari’s advantage was suddenly gone (same as 2019) because the FIA required a second censor to be added to the twin battery. This was not carried over to 2019, after the summer break they were able to reintroduce it along side the fuel flow.

[@eduardoaraujo2]

The best F1 analysis page out there. Thanks for the golden content.

[@DasE30Cuz]

330km/h into T4 and even T3 is crazy!

[@Lackooo84]

It was a fully legal engine which complied with the rules at the time. They found a way to collect unused fuel after the gap sensor (to use it when needed more power) and that was legal.

[@AOzzyR2000]

If Ferrari 2019 engine is controversial then I don’t know what the 2021 Mercedes engine at the end of the season is.

[@thetable4638]

You can hear the power of that Ferrari engine down the straights...

[@Ihateejayyy]

The good thing about both engines is how marvelous they sound 🎶

[@airination6140]

Being a 2020 Ferrari fan isn't that bad if you're blind

[@Gamezoner911]

Bruh the 2020 engine sounds like ass

[@thatracingguy5694]

2020 ferrari almost sounds like the V8 era on upshifts

[@apophisRO]

I must be deaf then because "marvelous" is definetly not the word I would use to describe the sound.

[@flopre9213]

@@apophisROthe 2020 engine at high revs sounds atrocious, not to mention the power deficit

[@DaveMcIroy]

Mika Salo said as a part of the penalty Ferrari PUs had to use less fuel. That's why all Ferrari powered teams became slower.

[@yaboycorey770]

2020 car is running higher down force, it's faster in the corners by a margin. The extra wing (downforce) will slow it down in the straights

[@unoreversecard5063]

the SF1000 sounds like it struggles at all times, while the SF90 (i think thats the 2019 ferrari if not please correct me) doesn't struggle at all.

[@FrankMolin]

What I see is, obviously, a very different aero set-up with less wing in 2019 and more wing and drag in 2020 and better cornering, but also a different gear ratio: with the same speed and gear they have noticeable different amount of revs. With all this said, you cannot explain 4 tenth's on the straight just because of a few extra horses; you'd need quite more or everything else I've talk about.

[@stinky_fingers69]

You can also see that the 19 car revs much much quicker than the 20 car

[@TheMineA7]

Controversial?? My brother in Latifi it was literally an illegal engine lol

[@ovtroll1199]

im curious the comparison between the cheat engine to the w11.

[@simoneghilardini5211]

That SF1000 I think that was overall a terrible car. I remember the first race of the year and some really nasty snaps in the corners by Vettel. My god, that thing seemed absolutely horrible to drive, way too unstable.

[@pedrolunag.8289]

it wasn't cheating, it was a revolutionary idea, the thing was that at the end it banned by FIA as most innovations.

[@collingoat]

That shit was def illegal. The likely fuel flow sensor(s) was replaced after summer break if I remember correctly, & they did very little after that. Only Ferrari would get away with that kind of cheating.

[@JakeM218]

The curious thing is that Ferrari were the only team running a split battery pack - not even their customer teams ran two batteries. There was a theory the advantage was electrical, and another theory that it was related to fuel flow. When extra sensors were added to both, they purposely slowed down, and so it’s unsure what they were doing. It is tricky what counts as a nice loop hole and what counts as cheating though. Renault had an automatic brake bias system that was against the rules, and were barely punished for this driver aid. Mercedes from 2014 were leaking oil into the combustion chamber to increase power, and this was simply addressed with a technical directive saying “oil levels will be checked before and after the race and a maximum of so many millilitres is allowed”

[@collingoat]

@@JakeM218 I’m all for a loophole, that’s F1. Or at least it was pre-salary cap. The curious part is the FIA did not release what they were doing. If it was just a loophole then why not release it? If it’s not illegal, there is no need for secrecy.

[@JakeM218]

@@collingoat I wonder who requested it to be secret. Maybe Ferrari didn’t want to media backlash and offered a stricter penalty to keep it quiet? Historically, they’ve always focused on media relations - rarely complaining publicly, even while the team and car are struggling.

[@svenzerx8490]

Ferrari also had the worst audio setup in 2020 and 2021 the onboards sounded terrible

[@pityu1659]

The first title 💀

[@zzcdss]

I still dunno what happened in 2020 with ferrari

[@chellom292]

Question: ferrari started using illegal engine after summer break in 2019 right?

[@Franceee___]

We can make assumptions but no one knows except Ferrari themselves

[@kenchen704]

So 2020 is how fast Ferrari actually is (without the secret engine), that’s pretty sad

[@deki7958]

You cant even compare that 2 engines. Even today we don't know what they use in 2020

[@glimm3r]

You don't mentioned it but rumour has it that the 2020 engine was capped through fuel capacity. They were always short fueled so that they couldn't use the engine to the max. It's also common that cars that are not so good in straights try to make up time on corners. It's likely they sacrificed the straightline speed to have better corner speed and better tyre management.

[@josebove6876]

The fastest you take corners, the fastest you destroy tyres. You manage it better with strong straight speed instead of cornering speed.

[@glimm3r]

@@josebove6876 sigh... so by your genius concept red bull, this year, is just burning through their tyres since they are generally faster in corners, right? There's this concept named downforce which helps take corners at a higher speed, at a detriment of lower top speed, and if you are not sliding around because of said higher downforce, it's possible to keep the tyres in good window for a longer period of time...

[@keonxd8918]

Could be a contributing factor on why 2020's Ferrari sounds so much different compared to 2019 and 2021

[@nitram.9621]

Idk if it is just the audio playing its trick but it feels like on the 2019 Ferrari the ERS never stops outputting

[@holdenmcgroin8699]

0h my 2020 was a traumatic season for them

[@francescoarzilli6196]

E se il motore del 2019 fosse stato montato sulla macchina del 2020?

[@zedramer]

Did we ever find out what Ferrari did with their engine specifically? I thought I heard they had a controlled oil burn to give the ice more power.

[@prateekkumar1247]

I think it was more along the lines of tricking the fuel flow sensor. I can't explain it exactly, because i don't know for sure, but the fuel flow sensor works ina sort of pulsatile manner. It has gaps in its detections, which is when the engine was fed more fuel, thus, having more power. But this is just what i can recollect based on an article I read before. I'd love to know the complete details myself.

[@zedramer]

@@prateekkumar1247 Kinda like the sensor ran at a lower frequency than the extra amounts of fuel the injectors could introduce? If the sensor is only reading 300 times a second and the injector can pulse at 600 times a second, half of that fuel doesn't get counted? It's still more fuel consumed, so the true limit is the fuel onboard...but that makes a lot of sense.

[@acasale25]

@@zedramerBasically the sensor measures every 1/30 of a sec so in the intervals between that they set up a sine wave where pulses of higher fuel flow would get sent. Genius and wasn’t explicitly prohibited by the rules at the time

[@megumin3336]

Now i am waiting for comparison of "draggy shitbox" w13 and updated w14. Same engine means same top speed and acceleration, right? How does aero affect top speed in every car and every team especially 2022s RB18 to w13, but not 2019 and 2020 ferrari?

[@emilekaram6094]

Ok but just a question: Is W14 better than W13 now or the same?? And if yes, was it already better since the start of the season or it was still the same or worse??

[@Borealis1907]

Alternative Title: Formula 1 Engine vs. GP2 Engine

[@kristianangeloni]

The "illegal" engine was the Spec 3 introduced in Monza, not this.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

Illegal engine began in spa 2018.

[@kristianangeloni]

@@Bahamuttiamat Source: "It was revealed to me in a dream".

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@@kristianangeloni Michael Schmidt AMUS

[@kristianangeloni]

@@Bahamuttiamat There's no confirmation about the illegality of the Spec 3, let alone 2018's PU lol

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@@kristianangeloni Correct. Ferrrai was never official charged with running an illegal motor. All we got is some vague disclaimer surround "misinterpretation" of the rules. Doesn't change the fact that telemetry back in 2018 should abnormal acceleration past 250kph.

[@contigocobalt89]

i just realised that 2020 has a 2013 engine sound lmaoooo

[@user-ei8jb8mn3i]

Very nice analysis,thanks a lot)

[@pulaktrivedi9743]

Hi, so there is still some controvercy regarding Vettel's car and Charles' car in ferrari. Can you pls make a vid on that one? I saw a vid couple of months ago on insta, someone claimed that Vettel was given an inferior car, so can you clear the dust on that one...

[@cwteoh5690]

the person with most P1 in Qualifying but not World Champion 😊

[@manuelf1818]

I think that the 2020 Mercedes engine was equal at Power to the 2019 Ferrari engine or maybe a little Bit stronger. Just Look at the Monza lap from Hamilton in 2020. But the Mercedes engine was legal.

[@vr5lover]

Not really,yeah W11 is faster at Monza but this is down to settings, remember Monza got some sharp corners too especially in first and last section. This doesn't prove anything actually. Not to mention SF71h was also faster than sf90 but got a lot weaker engine. This is invalid argument.

[@manuelf1818]

@@vr5lover Yes, but the SF71H was the better overall package or chassis than the SF90. The SF90 had less downforce than the W10 and especially the W11, which is why the W10 was the better car overall in 2019. On all high downforce tracks Ferrari really screwed up in 2019. Hungary, for example. Except singapure where it was an exception. By the way, Mercedes itself says that the 2020 engine was as strong as the Ferrari engine in 2019. They set themselves the goal at the end of 2019 to top the performance data of the Ferrari engine, which they have also achieved according to their own statements. I think in Spa you can see the real difference between the W11 and the SF90. The SF90 was fast on the straights, but the Mercedes took almost 1.5 seconds off the Ferrari in the twisty middle sector alone. And Mercedes was on the road with a rain setup, i.e. with a lot of downforce. I think they could have been even faster if they had optimized the setup for dry conditions.

[@vr5lover]

@@manuelf1818 none of these words you wrote proves mercedes had same power,yet current F1 engines which is more powerful than 2020's engines still less powerful than sf90's engine. Not to mention Mercedes never talked about how much power it makes or what is the power they want to get let alone mentioning sf90. And you proved yourself wrong in your own comment. Sf71H was faster because it had better chassis overall. It's same reason why W11 was faster than sf90 at Monza aswell,not the engine.

[@MathewBT81]

Great analysis 👍 They must have been upto some real frigging shenanigans with that engine for it to be so hush hush with the FIA 😮

[@galliman123]

It's pretty clever, they injected higher fuel flow between the sensor reading intervals

[@luuduonghy659]

This video manage to provide weakness of SF1000

[@francescorisoli3808]

Mercedes and redbull have an 30 kmph difference vatage, f1 fans: great car, great engine, ferrari has a 15 kmph vantage, f1 fans: IlLeGaL eNgINe

[@1AngryPanda]

Ferrari build the 2020 Car thinking the rocket engine would still be on the car. Put more aerodownforce on it, thinking the engine will push trough the extra drag on the straights and gives them a pace advantage in the corners. Plan failed big time after the PU was setback to 2017 settings.

[@rydawg2006]

2019 a car with straight line speed 2020 a car with cornering speed

[@PbPomper]

Leclerc has a lot of poles thanks to this cheat engine.

[@arisk2410]

do you reckon the w11 would have been faster with ferrari's 2019 engine on the straights, or was the mercedes engine just as strong that season but the downforce was very great.

[@juzh1238]

No engine ever came close to 2019 ferrari, not even the 2016-17 Q3 oil guzzlers. that's why so much fuss was made about it at the time.

[@mehmetatila675]

I dont think so but i think we didn't see how powerful could w11 engine can. Especially they tuned down engine after party mode ban and car was powerful enough so they didn't run it full power. But i think w12 last 4 races could be compared

[@emilekaram6094]

​@@juzh1238But who had a bigger gap and margin in these top speed between Ferrari 2019 and Mercedes W05 2014??

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@emilekaram6094he 2014 Mercedes weren’t even the fastest car down a straight line tbh that year it was the Williams Obvs still a *very dominant* car tho

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

That 2019 warp speed Ferrari engine is the most powerful engine to grace the grid of f1 since 1986 honestly absolute monster

[@FlatTyre40]

Tifosi is sad and i don't think we will ever be happy if they don't change the way they work.

[@AZBCDEE]

Tifosi are glory hunters lmfao ask 3/4 of Ferrari’s past and they’d be clueless. Ask them about ford vs Ferrari Only support them because of the numbers and nothing else

[@FlatTyre40]

@@AZBCDEE im supporting ferrari since 1990 and I'm well aware of the history. But i agree some of them clueless (1/6 imo). People who have no idea about Ferrari are also people who just started watching f1.

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

ahh the Tifosi, a group of adults who act like a gang and bully people out of the seats they paid for at Monza because they wear the wrong kind of merch, Tifosi can #staysad so long as behavior like that exists.

[@FlatTyre40]

@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 what?

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

​@@FlatTyre40 #staysadpimpsauce

[@petercsato6742]

Well Ferrari was not cheating but ok. Im a RedBull btw.

[@F1e308]

there is 2 races in Austria on 2020 (one dry quali and one wet quali) and 2021

[@lowest4952]

Hey man how the telemetry works in F1TV, can you do a video with the explain please

[@Neferus98]

In 2020 it was the first race, they ran too much downforce for that car, but it's true the engine was weak

[@user-vf7gb2lu6u]

great comparison

[@giorgiom2803]

Im a ferrari fan but why do people call the 2019 engine "controversial"? They were clearly cheating everyone knows that. They had found a way to bypass an FIA restriction on the fueling system, there's nothing controversial about that. You either were within the fuel flow limit, or you weren't and it was proven that they weren't. But with the ferrari strategists they couldn't even get a title like that. We're in it for the long haul with this team...

[@acasale25]

Except that it wasn’t illegal. There is no such thing as the spirit of the rules in F1. The rules didn’t say that you couldn’t increase the fuel flow between the measuring times, so it was legal at the time

[@JasonBeo]

@@acasale25Lol are you kidding me? The rules clearly stated how much the fuel flow must be. What you're basically saying is that "i can buy pass that rule as long as i do it when the teacher is not looking". Its still cheating lmao

[@msvanveen]

2:46 2020 Leclerc is outside the track right? Track limits?

[@PetruStefan25]

This is not F1 game

[@Franceee___]

Bruh that’s not a game. If you look back at the 2020 season they were always allowed to go over the track limits in quali, at every circuit.

[@msvanveen]

@@Franceee___ Ok thnx I did not know that

[@AKK5I]

GP2 ENGINE, GP2!!!!! AAAARRRRRGGGHHHH

[@javi3266]

People say that the 2020 car was bad, but it wasn't because of a bad design. It was bad because they had a power limitation from the FIA. When you compare this car to the 2014 car, its an aerodynamic masterpiece but underpowered by the FIA. I truly believe the 2014 Ferrari has been the biggest piece of shit Ferrari has produced in the last 30 years. At least the 2020 car was controllable lol

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

I was gonna say the 1992 car but 1992 was more than 30 years ago now damn

[@TleafarafaelT]

"fun" fact: 2 of the 5 Leclerc's career wins were with this cheated engine

[@michele3210]

fun fact ferrari was never proven illegal

[@jeffvedana5764]

Again that engine is not illegal. Fsrrari found a flaw in rules that werent seen by other teams and of course redbull are jealous of it so, like horner always do, they protested it

[@sihfbaozgfengieg]

so why did ferrari and fia do the secret deal? if ferrari is righteous, why didnt ferrari fight for it? LMAO

[@Humance]

2019 engine was revving higher as well form the on screen graphics, am I wrong?

[@thetable4638]

When it's Ferrari it's always controversial,but when it's Red Bull Mercedes or Aston Martin they are the best team on history whenever they bring a new grey area innovation...

[@emiliolabrin8302]

The difference was clearly shown in US gp when Ferrari engine suddenly lost his power and magic after both RB and Merc protests... secret deal with FIA? Curious...

[@karashibass]

Fuel flow rate is not a grey area, they were using more fuel than permitted in the rules and tricking the sensor does not make that legal.

[@gregrowe1168]

Red Bull must be seriously pushing the limits of the rules. Max is virtually unbeatable unless he crashes or has a mechanical failure. He has even overcome mistakes in pit stops. That car combined with his aggressive driving style is unbeatable. The extra straight line speed is overwhelming.

[@manusiaganteng2753]

Just reminds me of what a disaster Vettel was in 2020.

[@darknebulae7470]

Could you give me a link or something to that music track?

[@omaralgharib6521]

If only redbull kept their mouths shut...

[@twigsagan3857]

I mean, what if they just drove in a different engine mode? This says really nothing.

[@ferencorosz9753]

No cheat at all, just the biased F1 againts Ferrari since 2004

[@energeticfra100]

i think if the car have used the SF90 engine it could have won 3-4 races that year

[@robertduna8292]

Why leclerc used that wider line in 2019 in turn 2 and 3? He used that in the race too. He never used that line since 2019.

[@kolpodinos9316]

better exit

[@taytzuleong5584]

Monza 2020......was embarrassing

[@tommcglone2867]

"Cheat engine". What about Mercedes with DAS? 🤔

[@jslian95]

i caught up with the actual title. i know yeli, but i'll keep it to me hahahahahahahah

[@liambrowning6962]

Lefuelflow is finished.

[@louisvanrijn3964]

OK, clear. What was it then? Anybody an reasoned idea?

[@Erich8101]

And the 2019 Ferrari was the Reason why the W11 in 2020 crushed EVERYTHING

[@emilekaram6094]

Still it was nowhere near the W05 in terms of dominance and gap to the others, but maybe more than F2004

[@godfather95mbs33]

Ferrari was never proven to be cheating. Never

[@allessiobuonfiglio6702]

It wasn’t 100% illegal, Ferrari’s touched some line near the illegal and since all the grid was upset fia decided that we had to change our engine

[@Franceee___]

Crazy how Ferrari was still slow on races and lost out to Mercedes many more times than they won, even if they took like 10 poles in 2019

[@WarayF1]

The rumor is ferrari was cheating with the fuel flow to allow more fuel into the engine without the FIA noticing. If that's true then they can only use it in qualifying cause in races, the FIA will tests each car's remaining fuel after each races. They have to dial it down or the FIA will notice.

[@majortom9397]

Mercedes finds a grey area and gets an advantage? All good for the current season, no problem Ferrari finds a grey area and gets an advantage? Absolutely illegal, they gotta change it now and they should get a fine All of those 8 years of mercedes dominance have been like that. I will never forger the illegal pirelli tests, the holes inside wheel rims, and all the advantages that FIA gave them during races. The pinnacle was 5 sec to Vettel in canada, absolutely ridiculous how mercedes got away with so much stuff while Ferrari constantly got penalty after penalty

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

British bias in F1 unfortunately. Nothing new.

[@danielo7985]

Is the "grey area [that] gets [mercedes] an advantage" in the room with us right now? Ferrari broke a technical rule but instead of a sporting penalty or fine they "reached a settlement" with the FIA, something I can't remember happening before and I bet will never happen again. Yet people will cry "Bbbb-but Bbbb-British bbbb-bias 😢". To idiots, Fia decisons are justified when it benefits the team they support and "biased" when it goes against their team. Separately, I don't understand why people are still upset at the Vettel '19 penalty, if you rejoin a track in a dangerous manner it is a penalty (doesn't matter if you're "in control" on the grass or not). Vettel could've just not made an unforced error in turn 3 and he would've won the race.

[@arikelvara]

​@@danielo7985this same channel posted a video about how Seb was penalised in Canada but when Nog did it to Ricardo in Monaco, no penalty

[@ale_por_27]

@@danielo7985 they lost 2 YEARS because of that. Just imagine 2020 Ferrari with that corner speed and 2019 Engine, but also 2021 Ferrari with 2019 Engine. A "sporting penalty" maybe could have been better for Ferrari

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Bruh Ferrari never got penalised/fined etc etc for the ‘warp speed’ engine lol They even had a confidential settlement with the FIA, when have you ever heard of this happening Honestly it just seems you’re overplaying everything Mercedes does and downplaying the infractions other teams have done

[@blustraw]

so could something similar be going on with red bull as well

[@NiekLodewijkx]

It's mind boggling! yeah

just look at the rpm of 2019 ferrari, you will understand :)

[@asrafulemon2004]

SF23 is no better

[@ForzaPolska06]

Watch them zoom this weekend

[@tedpowertrain]

from an engineering perspective a 1.6 v6 engine can be stronger than v8 if there is no fuel flow limit

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

It already is stronger, these engines put out 1000 hp compared to the 750 of the V8s

[@groundedgaming]

I'm pretty sure with modern engineering, every engine can beat the old many cylinder, big displacement engines. I wish Porsche V4 in the 919 Evo would be in racing series and more though. Seems very very good engine.

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

@@groundedgaming porsche V4 in the 919 produced the same amount of power in the v8 of the toyota ts040 so engine size and displacement barely means anything these days

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@ruzgarakgul2051 That's the whole Power Unit, not just the ICE part.

[@groundedgaming]

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson yes but then in that case, then I think most of the modern engines we would rate quite highly (like F1 engines, or maybe say 296 GTB/GT3/449P engine would be quite lower)

[@nathanwho1384]

Ita all aero, and has nothing to do with a "cheat engine". You even say it yourself multiple times, the 2020 car beats the 2019 in the turn, and exits. Why? Because the 2019 car had way less downforce, meaning it was faster in straights and slower in corners. Then in 2020 they went for more downforce and it slowed the car down, because you know, drag is a thing on F1 cars. You can see this all over the field every race weekend, a team like Williams has been consistently fast on straights but horrible in the corners. This is because they build a basic F1 chassis and aero, and put a strong engine in it. So they lack any real downforce while having very good engines. Which also explains how Albon can put the Williams in the points at a track like Canada, because it's mostly full throttle with slow speed corners.

[@Miragexe]

Ferrari talking about RB penalties not being enough in regards to the cost cap made me want to slap them in the face, they have no right to talk about fair penalties when theirs is not even known for a significantly worse offense.

[@leishembayengkhom33]

Did Ferrari tell the public they are cheating no they had negotiation with the FIA in private but rb own it they have accepted it through public humiliation.

[@ale_por_27]

Ferrari lost ALL 2020-2021 because of a "illegal engine" that was never found illegal while RedBull officially broke a rule and nothing happened and now we will have to watch them win nearly every race until 2026 at least. The same shit happened with Mercedes in 2013 and they dominated form 2014 until 2021.

[@Miragexe]

@@ale_por_27 They literally got a penalty for it, how did 'nothing happen'

[@ale_por_27]

@@Miragexe because that penalty is not affecting the performance of the Bulls for now, so it's like nothing happened

[@Miragexe]

@@ale_por_27 Because the penalty isn't aimed at slowing down their performance now.

[@mrkingjesse378]

Nothin better to post? Vettel was inconsistent af.

[@f1-alcide-tv]

Cheat? Why Cheat?

[@arekayseven]

Just Imagine 2020 Ferrari with 2019 Engine. It would have been better than W11, because of the sheer downforce it produced.

[@j.s3300]

Lifes a game of give and take

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

I think it defo would have given the W11 a run for it’s money The car was a downforce monster

[@AZBCDEE]

They had washed seb Would’ve lost

[@manuelf1818]

The W11 was a much better car than the SF-1000. Much better.

[@ALPHABYTE1994]

No

[@steenkool7827]

The 2019 engine was illegal (although not proven), but i'm thankful to Ferrari for trying something. The second half of the 2019 season was very nice to watch, in comparison with the seven 1-2's from Mercedes in the first half of 2019, and that's thanks to Ferrari.

[@gimmick2509]

It's the problem of a measurement and control. They almost certainly did more than 100 kg of fuel per hour but the fuel sensor wasn't able to detect it

[@WuseligerPinguin_SF]

​​@@gimmick2509f the sensor didn't see it then there was nothing, atleast I hoped the FIA would think that. But they didn't and found out

[@JakeM218]

@@gimmick2509There was also a theory that the advantage was electrical. Ferrari were the only team running split battery packs. They argued this was for packaging reasons but the FIA covered them in extra sensors and their advantage magically disappeared. Not even Haas or Alfa Romeo had the same split battery packs.

[@lovebato8873]

yup engines is what makes you win, not floor and stupid aero everbody claims